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Hermes119:
Mathew 10 vs 34-35
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother,and the daughter against her mother,and the daughter in-law against the mother-in-law

The passage above was inspired by the holy spirit and altered by Jesus himself
Makes perfect sense to me that the holy spirit can inspire a person to commit violence, meanwhile we are losing sight of our conversation
The argument I raised is that of a person who set out to obey the bible to the letter and ended up killing an adulterer

Have you ever read in the bible where Jesus took sword and started killing people? What you don't know is that Jesus works testified of his teachings. But instead we see Jesus saving men's lives.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
The best way to understand Jesus teachings is through his works.

You claimed that the holy spirit won't inspire a person to kill,now I have quoted a verse of the bible that gratifies violence altered by Jesus himself as inspired by the holy spirit please bring your rebuttal


What happened to "the kingdom of God suffereth violence ........"

since the holy spirit is in agreement with Jesus, it can never inspire people against the teachings of Jesus.

Hermes119:
Let me start by saying that when I engage in arguments with Christian apologists the aim is not to win,but to show how dishonest and illogical their arguments are and I think anyone who read ur respons, including Christians( the honest ones) would agree that your submission is laughable
Forgive me for the ad hominem let's get to it

Of course !,they are lesser human beings wiping them out from the surface of the earth is the best option

It is one of the consequence of evil, it reduces humans to animal level or even less.

Why would it make sense when its not the option your God choose
Oga I didn't say God should build a wall to shut out the Israelites away from the rest of the world,I said God should build a wall that would restrict the Amalekites from having access to the Israelites.

It doesn't make sense because you asking God to protect evil instead of removing it.

Alright lets assume u didn't get what I said let me repeat. Would it be better if God built a wall around the Amalekites inhibiting any access to the Israelites,such that doesn't adversely affect the economic interests and survival of both parties ?
Now before you say that constructing such wall is impossible,remember that God can do the impossible,but you are still welcome to say so

You still not making sense why will God protect evil, since God is holy he does not tolerate sin. When a man/people are given to evil they become valueless spiritually.

To save the Israelites. If God went to the extent of destroying a whole city,why couldn't he explore a simpler and less gruesome alternative. Meanwhile you are twisting my questions. I said God could have manually intervened what that means is this,if an Amalekites shot an arrow at an Israelites God could deflect the path of that arrow or form a shield around the Israelites, stuff like that,how does that affect free will except if free will means that whenever a person proposes to cause another harm God shouldn't intervene and if that was the case then every Christian would be dead.

There is no reason the people of amalekities should still exist obviouy they have passed their boundary.

Meanwhile there are instances where God manually interevened in the interest of the Israelites like when the egyptians were chasing them,u remeber forming a cloud of fire ....,u also remember the prophet from Judah(that was killed on his way home by an animal) when he went to the king to deliver God's message someone tried to strike him and God hungthe persons hand
I've listed precedents from the bible before you tell me that God doesnt do such,now review your answer

yea God still destroy the armies of Pharoah in the red sea. Once a man or people has passed a certain limit of godlesdness there is no turning back, the wages of sin is death.

If this very statement was to be the case then a person can chop off your head right now,maybe get sentenced to death, repent before he is executed(you know he can be in ATM for like 5 years) and then both of you will sing hossanah in heaven, how would you like that ?

while God will not stop anybody from thinking of doing that he can protect me by directing me to move else where. When Jesus was born God simply directed Joseph and Mary to take Jesus to Egypt away from herod because herod wanted to kill all the children, you know why? Because herod had the authority to do so.

The funny thing is that you always start by saying "it doesn't make any sense". Simply say " I won't take this option because it would make my God loom bad for doing what he did" and we would get it,but don't worry I will take this ride.
Fine let's say they engage other nations,what if God was to bring selective blindness (that is to say that only Israelites would be invisible to the person while he can see other things) to anyone be it Amalekites or the people they connive with to hurt Israelites would you review your choice ?

I always said " it does not make sense because you don't know what you are saying.

If the amalekites continue to be, not only will evil continue to increase their evil but they will also continue to corrupt other nations.

The bible records that God hardened pharoahs heart(that counts for a change) but Pharoah didn't accept him ab innitio what do you have to say about that

Read again, it was Pharoah that hardened his heart at first.
Pharaoh sold himself to work iniquity, God only gave him the desires of his heart so he might be destroyed

Hermes119:
1) is this position based on the scriptures or your personal view of the holy spirit,corroborate that statement with verses in the bible
And bear in mind that you have to bring verses that clearly proof that the holy spirit can never command a Christian to kill,it has to be expressly stated or clearly implied to avoid confusion or a "lost in translation" scenario
2) considering that God the father and the holy spirit are the same being as you Christians say, and considering that God the father has commanded Christians on numerous occasions to kill isn't your statement contradictory
3) you seem to imply that it is not in the nature of the holy spirit to kill just as you people teach in Sunday school that the holy spirit is gentle,speaks in a fain voice,leaves quietly when provoked. But have u considered the story of Ananias and Saphira,the bible stated that it was the holy spirit that struck both man and wife,so what would u say about that,the holy spirit orphans children too ?
Meanwhile has he changed,cos politicians come to that altar,all manner of people come to Church pick the microphone and lie and we don't see no striking
P.S when Christians invoke the holy ghost fire in their prayer isn't that asking the holy spirit to do their bidding(kill),so let's get it Christians can command the holy spirit to kill but can't return the favour,come on !

The Holy Spirit judged Annias and saphira not Peter, John nor another apostles.

Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Calling holy ghost fire to kill one's enemies is obviously not the will of God because Jesus even taught his disciples to pray for their enemies.
But however a Christian can against demonic powers that are at war against him.

Judgment belongs to God not to the Christian.

Hermes119:
alright let's do another assumption
Let's assume that before God ordered the genocide against the amelekites he gave you the privilege of selecting one of these options for him to execute
A) annihilate the amelekites

Annihilating the amalekites is the answer, this because of their past present and future activities.

B) build a huge wall around them preventing any access with the Israelites

this does make any sense, It is like restricting the lives of Israel while the amalekites increases in number and at the same time corrupt the rest of the world.

C) manually interfere with any attempt by the amelekites to kill an Israelite

Why will God stop a man from exercising the free will he gave him? He will punish the actions of humans not stop the from exercising their free will.

D) make the Israelites invisible to any amelekite who proposes to harm him/her

this does not make sense because the amalekities could easily persuade other nations who can see Israel to destroy Israel.

E) change the minds of the amelekites so they stop harbouring evil against the Israelites

Which would u pick

God only changes the heart of those who accept him.

Hermes119:
Op to answer your question,I will try to persuade the idiot but I guess it won't work so he would nuke us all,that's fine.
But contrary to what u are subtly implying,if someone was to get to that point then u can't blame it on his irreligiosity its basically because he is a nihilist and an extremist at that. Theists can be nihilist as fvck too,well I assume you would claim a true Christian won't be in such scenario
Quick question,what is your definition of a true Christian, cos I would say a true Christian is one that obeys the bible and the holy spirit. Well if we accept this definition what do you think about this
Mr X is a "true Christian" and sets out to obey every instruction given by God in the bible according to the guidance of the holy spirit,he lives his house in the morning before nightfall he is already in police detention for murdering an adulterer,he claims the holy spirit gave him the permission to do so
Now what does that make Mr X ?
A true Christian, no ?

The holy spirit can never command a Christian to kill.

adoyi8:
You are giving excuses of why your moral role models took out hideous mass murder that makes atheists like myself shudder. All criminals also have good excuses for their crimes. Do you think Adolf Hitler dont have excuses for executing 6 million jews?

You cannot use emotional appeal to persuade someone to believe something but you can persuade him to take a decision/action using emotional appeal. It is a basic tool of persuasion that even children are experts at using so I dont know why it's hard for you to comprehend.

you are contradicting yourself, for a man to take a decision he must belive and be fully convinced of his actions.
Going by your logic attacking bokoharam and Islam is mass murder.

kingxsamz:
Lol, funny answer. So quick question.
If the Hausas in the north start killing Igbos over there, would you suggest that the Igbos wipe out the entire Hausa tribe so that their children don't take up from their parents? Please answer according to how you just defended the genocide in the Verse I provided. Thank you.

First of all, the amalekities were not like the igbos or hausas it is a false equivocation to equate them without understanding the underlining issues at that time and besides the Amalekites were not the only enemies of Israel they were many nations who were against Israel at that time but God never commanded Israel to destroy them completely.
The Amalekites were a constant force of evil seeking to exterminate Israel completely. In the early days of Israel, they attacked Israel at their weakest spot dealing a fatal blow on Israel, the amalekites were a people without the fear of God neither any moral compass whatsoever, for Israel to continue to exist and the world at that time to have some kind of stability such nations must be rooted out completely.

Why are atheist afraid of their own shadow, they are afraid of a man who believes totally in atheistical logical reasoning.
Man without God is nothing but a beast.

adoyi8:
You can sugarcoat Christianity as a moral religion as much as you want but remember one of the most influential role models in the bible, David killed 300 philistines and removed their foreskins just because he wanted to marry abigail. Elijah slaughtered 400 prophets of baal in a single day, I can never imagine doing that as an atheist. So just know that the immoral acts that humans can commit in the name of no religion can also be committed in the name of religion and it is more difficult to dissuade someone who believes that he is carrying an act on command of god.

Do you know how many prophets of God jezabel and her prophets of baal has killed? Secondly those prophets of baal know that Israel serve Yahweh only and they knew the repercussions of trying to turn Israel away from the Lord their God.

It was saul that commanded David to kill the philistines in order to avenge for what they had done to him.
By the way these were philistine soldiers who probably had dealt with Saul.

1 Samuel 18:25 And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.

Saul wanted actually to eliminate David, by sending him into the enemies camp.

At that time Israel and philistines were at war.

You cant use emotional appeal to make me believe in God because its something impossible for me to do but people have used emotional appeal to make me go to church or close my eyes to pray and it works frequently.

Just as you cannot be persuaded by emotional appeal to believe in God so that man cannot be persuaded by emotional appeal to believe in something you believe in.

kingxsamz:
This same god abi another one?


Even you will agree that this will be considered a 'beast like' attitude if it were to be carried out by humans in this modern age. And I'm sure you'll agree that the above verse is "evil". So that talk that morality comes from your god is laughable.

Do you know the relationship between the Amalekites and Israel?

The Amalekites was at generational war with Israel, only a complete wipe off, can end such war. Yes one might feel sorry for the children and babies but it would save them from continuing the endless cycle of war with Israel.

The Christian message says that sin has a price that must be paid and even nature proves that every single thing requires a sacrifice or price to be paid.

The farmer must pay the price by laboring to get his harvest.

For there to be light, good roads, good economy, good governance there must be a price to be paid.
Breaking a law has a consequence, when you blow a wall with you uncovered fist, you feel pain as a consequence.
When you touch a naked live wire you get get electrocuted. When you jump from a height there is a consequence.
Heavy metals are not suppose to fly, for them to fly a price must be paid.

What then is the consequence of sin?

What is the price that must be paid for redemption?

Because God is the creator of the Law he can never allow it to be broken without a consequence, this is called justice.

Someone might say why will God not just forgive without any price being paid.
No, God cannot just forgive without paying the full price of sin because God is just.
Justice simply means fulling the requirement of the Law.

Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

What is the price for sin?

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Why is the price of sin so high?

1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
One of the distinct character of the Christian God is holiness.
Holiness means God hates sin neither does he tolerate sin.

The price of sin is so high because God is so holy.

If you jump from a height of 1meters you can handly feel a thing, but if you jump from a height of say, 20 meters you brake your legs and might be lucky to escape death.

Because God is so holy, the price of sin is also so high by that way God displeasure against sin is known.


God keeps record of the sins of humans and in due course humanity would be served God's justice.

Jesus paid the price for sin
Actually Jesus is God's Mercy to humanity.

How could Jesus pay the price of sin and satisfy God's justice?
1. Jesus was made in human form

2. God did what is called transfer. In nature it is possible to transfer certain things for example heat can be transfered from one medium to another.
In God's justice system, the consequence of sin can be transfered from one person to another if the following criteria are meant

a. The one who is taking the consequence must willingly choose to, must not be under duress.
b. That person itself must be free from sin.
c. Must have the power/courage to carry it to the end without error.


Hence certain animals in the old testament were used to illustrate this.
1. A lamb was used as a sacrifice, the lamb represent sinlessness or perfection
2. A female sheep, which represent willingness.
3. A ram which is a male sheep, it represent the fact that it must be a man not a woman since sin was introduced through a man there sin must be paid for by a man.
4. A goat, this represent the person carrying the sin.
5. Ox or bull, it represent capability, an ox is like a tractor in the modern sense. Capable and dependable.

There are many more symbols with their various meanings.

Jesus fulfilled all the requirements,
Jesus was born sinless, He was a man, He maintained his sinlessness to the end, he willingly choose to do it. Jesus fulfilled every requirement of God's holiness.

By this God's justice was fulfilled, God's holiness was upheld and the price for sin was paid hence God's love demonstrated without compromise. Brilliant!

But however, the gift of salvation is not forced on any man he or she must receive it by accepting Jesus and his work, and therefore be reconciled with God.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

what happens to those who reject Jesus for such they will bear their sin, they would have to face the holy and just God.
Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God. Hebrews

12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Atheism has no answer.
Jesus is Lord and savior. Amen and Amen

Wow ended in praise

adoyi8:
The biggest tool humans use to convince others is emotional appeal be they atheists or theists. Even children are experts at using emotional appeal on their parents or other adults.


A Christian can pick any garbage from the bible and act on it. What if the person is convinced that god wants him be like samson? To die by committing suicide as long as it will also destroy the lives of infidels.

emotional appeal is the biggest tool to convince others, would you be convinced to practice religion based on emotional appeal? You see how insane your argument is.

Samson only avenged what the enemies did to him. It is called justice, Christianity has a different purpose in itself which is to save people's life.

You have not said anything, the truth atheism has no answer.
Without God humanity is nothing but an animal, a beast.

adoyi8:
This is really the same as when the person is religious, you use emotional appeal and then you hope. in fact it will be more difficult to persuade him not to if he is a religious person and he believes his god wants him to do it.

I thought atheism was about proof not emotional appeal that religion uses.

It depends on the concept of God the theist believes in, in Christianity God is love who send Jesus to save the world from their sins.

johnydon22:
There are fundamental flaws in your assumptions about morality as held by atheists. You have to first understand that the idea of morality as a God-centered enterprise is majorly an Abrahamic idea, at least in the modern sense. Most cultures developed moral values and ideas without basing these ideas of the authority of God punishing or rewarding certain actions.

@bolded it is not about atheistic morality infact atheism has nothing to do with morality "it is just unbelief in God",
What do you mean by
" You have to first understand that the idea of morality as a God-centered enterprise is majorly an Abrahamic idea, at least in the modern sense. "

Do you mean that there was a time when God was not the center of Abrahamic religion?
Secondly, except you want to lie to yourself, most world culture were heavily rooted in theism, morality was derived from the gods or goddess, and there were rewards or punishments for actions, have you heard of karma and reincarnation it was almost a universal belief, most pagan believe in souls being reborn to pay for their actions.

So, someone not believing in God is not mutually exclusive with them having firm moral beliefs.

without God everybody will simply have a moral belief that suite them and there is nothing you can do about that.

I do not know what you mean by good and evil being products of subatomic interactions, I am hoping you will explain that further

matter is made up of atoms which in turn are made up to subatomic particles, everything that takes place in the macro world are simply subatomic particles interacting with each other.

But here is how I will try convincing such a person: I will appeal to their rationality, practicality and curiosity.

1. Rationality: Detonating the nuke serves no purpose to him, so what would it matter to him to detonate it?

universally or multiversally nothing has any purpose.
Next

2. Practical: He has family members, friends whom I assume he deeply cares about. Why would he want to remove the choice to either live or die from those whom he confesses to love?

this is not appeal to rationality but appeal to sentiment.
Scienfically love, hatred are only evolutionary tools and at the end of the day love, hatred and comologically does not really matter, asteroid swopping along to destroy your world does not care about your love or hate.

3. Curiosity: Assuming that such a person is a nihilist as your post seems to imply, even a nihilist can be curious. We have both seen the scientific wonders, architectural and technological marvels human has been capable of in the last century, wouldn't you like to find out where it is all going? What comes next? Perhaps, you could hold off nuking everyone just yet.

Human advancement and marvels still doesn't matter, since all humans, animals and everything are nothing but atomic and subatomic interactions. Since human technology and advancement really has no purpose other than being an evolutionary tool to continue human propagation.
The Truth is destroying humanity is nether good or evil, atheism/humanism try to create their own morality, why? Why do have the urge to have morality? It is all about human propagation, but again what is the use of human propagation
I expected something logically but I am highly disappointed in the replies I got.
Honestly, it weak and pathetic what you have come up.

So now OP, assuming this person believes in a God but is determined to nuke everyone, how would you convince them otherwise?

well if he believes in God he could be persuaded based on his belief in God. And Again it depends on the concept of God he believes, a Christian for example would never do such because the Christian God is love itself

Take God away from a man then you have just made him a beast.

SimplePlan34:
I place humanity above Gods so I would persuade him not to do it. But I actually believe if he does it's to Gods detriment. Cos they survive on our worship note I am not an atheist but a misotheist.

you mean humanity the bunch of organic matter that is a product of cosmic accident?
You are not making sense because this man does not believe in God or God's.

OtemAtum:
I am not an atheist but let me find an answer to your question. First of all, this is a global scenario and it's only by the efforts of scientists that such a nuke can be neutralised. Therefore the scientists will work on something that will make it impossible to detonate. We have missiles and anti-missiles. It's only in Africa that people will be begging such person in fear not to do it. In advanced nations, they will work out things that will make it impossible to work. Was it Iraq that year that claimed to be having weapon of mass destruction, I don't think anybody begged them, rather, advanced nations worked on their counter-weapons and got themselves ready.

So if I were to be an atheist and someone somewhere is claiming to have something that can destroy the whole world, I will not persuade the person not to do it, rather I will laugh over it and tell him to "do it and let's see'.

That's how some religious gods have been threatening us that they are capable of ending the world for more than 2000 years now and till date, they don't know how to go about it. Mtchew.

lol you ended up not saying anything.

Now, here is a challenge for atheists.

This is an hypothetical situation,
A man, Let's say Mr A, was able to somehow lay hold on a nuke that could destroy all humanity at a bottom, and he is determined to detonate it. How would you persuade such a person not to do it. Mind you he believes
1. There is no God neither any punishment for sins and misdeeds.
2 He believes the universe or multiverse is nothing else but ever changing forms of energies/energy.
3. Morality or what's not are all evolutionary construct to make so called higher organism to think life is special in other for organism like humans to continue to propagate.
4. Since love, hatred, good evil are all product of subatomic interactions, there is nothing really evil or good other than that that is determine by fundamental forces of nature.

How would you convince such a man not to push that button?

The events surrounding Jesus’ resurrection can be difficult to piece together. We must remember two things: first, the news of Jesus’ resurrection produced much excitement in Jerusalem, and in the ensuing chaos many people were going many different directions. Groups were separated, and several different groups paid visits to the tomb, possibly more than once. Second, the writers of the Gospels did not attempt an exhaustive narrative; in other words, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John had no intention of telling us every detail of the resurrection or every event in the order that it happened.

In the battle with skeptics regarding Jesus’ resurrection, Christians are in a "no-win" situation. If the resurrection accounts harmonize perfectly, skeptics will claim that the writers of the Gospels conspired together. If the resurrection accounts have some differences, skeptics will claim that the Gospels contradict each other and therefore cannot be trusted. It is our contention that the resurrection accounts can be harmonized and do not contradict each other.

However, even if the resurrection accounts cannot be perfectly harmonized, that does not make them untrustworthy. By any reasonable evaluation, the resurrection accounts from the four Gospels are superbly consistent eyewitness testimonies. The central truths - that Jesus was resurrected from the dead and that the resurrected Jesus appeared to many people - are clearly taught in each of the four Gospels. The apparent inconsistencies are in "side issues." How many angels did they see in the tomb, one or two? (Perhaps one person only saw one angel, while the other person saw two angels.) To how many women did Jesus appear, and to whom did He appear first? (While each Gospel has a slightly different sequence to the appearances, none of them claims to be giving the precise chronological order.) So, while the resurrection accounts may seem to be inconsistent, it cannot be proven that the accounts are contradictory.

Here is a possible harmony of the narratives of the resurrection of Christ and His post-resurrection appearances, in chronological order:

Jesus is buried, as several women watch (Matthew 27:57-61; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:50-56; John 19:38-42 ).

The tomb is sealed and a guard is set (Matthew 27:62-66 ).

At least 3 women, including Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome, prepare spices to go to the tomb (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1).

An angel descends from heaven, rolls the stone away, and sits on it. There is an earthquake, and the guards faint (Matthew 28:2-4 ).

The women arrive at the tomb and find it empty. Mary Magdalene leaves the other women there and runs to tell the disciples (John 20:1-2).

The women still at the tomb see two angels who tell them that Jesus is risen and who instruct them to tell the disciples to go to Galilee (Matthew 28:5-7; Mark 16:2-8; Luke 24:1-8 ).

The women leave to bring the news to the disciples (Matthew 28:8 ).

The guards, having roused themselves, report the empty tomb to the authorities, who bribe the guards to say the body was stolen (Matthew 28:11-15).

Mary the mother of James and the other women, on their way to find the disciples, see Jesus (Matthew 28:9-10).

The women relate what they have seen and heard to the disciples (Luke 24:9-11).

Peter and John run to the tomb, see that it is empty, and find the grave clothes (Luke 24:12; John 20:2-10).

Mary Magdalene returns to the tomb. She sees the angels, and then she sees Jesus (John 20:11-18).

Later the same day, Jesus appears to Peter (Luke 24:34; 1 Corinthians 15:5).

Still on the same day, Jesus appears to Cleopas and another disciple on their way to Emmaus (Luke 24:13-32).

That evening, the two disciples report the event to the Eleven in Jerusalem (Luke 24:32-35).

Jesus appears to ten disciples—Thomas is missing (Luke 24:36-43; John 20:19-25).

Jesus appears to all eleven disciples—Thomas included (John 20:26-31).

Jesus appears to seven disciples by the Sea of Galilee (John 21:1-25).

Jesus appears to about 500 disciples in Galilee (1 Corinthians 15:6).

Jesus appears to His half-brother James (1 Corinthians 15:7).

Jesus commissions His disciples (Matthew 28:16-20).

Jesus teaches His disciples the Scriptures and promises to send the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:44-49; Acts 1:4-5).

Jesus ascends into heaven (Luke 24:50-53; Acts 1:6-12).
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2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The Bible is the word of God, it reveals the mind of God, the truth of human condition and solution to it.

The strength and power of the devil is deception/mind control, the devils knows what the human flesh desires and gives it.
The human flesh desires rebellion against God under the guise of freedom.

Many do not care about their eternity, they have being brain washed to see gospel preachers as nuisance and primitive.

Sinful and God hating mindset is being created in people today through social media, music, movies, reality shows are some of the tools being used. Believe it or not the devil really exist he is the power fueling the debauchery of this modern world.
Serial immoral lifestyle has being normalized. Indecency, the rate of pleasure seeking obscenity, disobedience to parents, heresies has increased tremendously.

Just as God uses his servants which are not popular or not world influential people so Satan uses his ministers which are artist, celebrities people in high positions are us3d to brain washed and mind control them.
A lot of people want to talk, dress and do what their favorite artist/celebrities are doing.
Sex, violence, spiritism/witchcraft and the occult has being sold to the public through movies, music or even cartoons.

It pains me that even little children are being attracted into witchcraft and the occult.

These cartoons that appear to be harmless are laced with sinful content, occult and witchcraft disguised as just hocus pocus rubbish but in reality are meant to stir children interest into the occult as they grow.

Atheistic philosophy under the guise of education are being drilled into the children.

Now teenagers and adolescence are labeled as generation x or the millinials.

Christian parents has a lot to do unfortunately as the world becomes more darker.

Satan is focus more on the youth and the children.

These celebrities and artists who are role models to millions and billions are prostitutes, fraudsters, cultists, druggist, God haters and mockers, promoters of immoral dressing and lifestyle, etc.

Jesus declared in his word the bible

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Who do you follow? Celebrities, artist, philosophers, or Jesus christ of Nazareth.

Jesus Christ is the righteous one, the only one whose blood is worthy to atone for all who believes in him, he is the only door that lead to a life of peace and joy, he is the eternal life , bread of life, the water of life and fed all who come to him.

If you will accept Jesus as your Lord and savior say this prayer, Father in heaven I come to you in Jesus name, I know I have lead a life of sin and self centeredness, I am sorry for my sin and accept your gift of eternal life by receiving Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior.

If you have believed and accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, congratulation, find a Bible believing church to fellowship.
The kind of church you should look for is the church that teaches
Jesus as the only way to heaven (salvation by faith through Jesus), the church that teaches the trinity (God the father , son and holy spirit as distinct persons but one God)
Church that teaches all the doctrines of the church read the letters of Paul and Peter.
Church that encourage you to pray always.

Check my thread or other good Christian thread from time to time.

God bless you

MaxInDHouse:
It's the Messiah himself that says Israel as a nation has been condemned:

This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. Matthew 21:43


“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you" Matthew 23:37-38

Perhaps you're among those people traveling to Israel (Jerusalem) so that you'll be called "JP" well you've wasted your money, time and energy, because Jesus (Christ) says "Jerusalem and Israel has been condemned due to their faithlessness"

That's why Jesus used an illustration to foretell what will happen to the nation of Israel! Matthew 22:1-14

May you have PEACE!

@ bold how does this relate to what is being said
Jesus condemned Israel for their unbelief and indeed the kingdom was taken away from them and given to the Gentiles but prophesies by the prophets said that God will remember Israel.

Romans 11:1, 5 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

God has not cast off the Israelites christ rebuke and condemnation is only temporal, once they go back to God he will restore them.

If they dont remain in unbelief God will reinstate them. Their unbelief in Christ is certainly not forever because God has promise to restore them. If you knew the scripture you will know that Israel is in a state of temporary blindness. They are the original people of the covenant, to them belong the patriarchs, prophets and above all the messiah.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus knew when God promised Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that the Kingdom belongs to their offspring which is Christ not the Israelites

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Galatians 3:16

So it's only those connected to the Christ by faith that will inherit the kingdom not faithless Israelites! John 1:11-12

God took away the kingdom from them but however not forever, God's word will be fulfilled.

God is not partial it simply a matter of election.

MaxInDHouse:
Well i'm a Christian that's why i'm quoting what Jesus said about the rebellious nation of Israel:

This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. Matthew 21:43

God is not partial so as to continue putting up with those murderers {Matthew 23:34-38} definitely you're not saying the person quoting Jesus is wrong rather you're condemning Jesus who uttered that statement towards a faithless nation! Matthew 12:39

May you have PEACE!

OLAADEGBU:
"Do you think world reaction to the coronavirus is preparing the way for the Antichrist? Will there be a mandatory vaccine that will include a microchip? Could this be the mark of the beast?"

I don't think so, The church will be raptured followed by the tribulation in which the antichrist is revealed then in the middle of his seven years reign which is 3 and 1/2 years he will introduce the mark of the beast.

MaxInDHouse:
What God promised the Israelites there has been passed unto the "Israel of God" (faithful individuals who accepted Jesus as the Christ) {Galatians 6:16 compare to Romans 9:6} regarding the nation called "Israel" today God has forgotten them after the establishment of Christianity in the first Century because they proved to be faithless throughout their generations! Matthew 23:37-38

Most of you don't really know why the Jews in the first century keep persecuting Jesus' followers {Act 13:50; 14:2,19; 17:13} well it's because they knew that since God's promise through prophet Joel {Joel 2:28-30} only fulfilled in the midst of Jesus' disciples the rest of them are doomed {Act 2:16-19} that's why those that knew the consequences of what happened that day begged Peter:

Now when they heard this, they were stabbed to the heart, and they said to Peter and the rest of the apostles: “Men, brothers, what should we do?” Act 2:37

Peter responded:

Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit. For the promise is to you and your children, and to all those who are far away, to all those whom Jehovah our God may call to himself.” And with many other words he gave a thorough witness and kept exhorting them, saying: “Get saved from this crooked generation" Act 2:38-40

All those that accepted Jesus Christ were killed by the Jews, that's why their descendants till today don't believe in Jesus Christ.
So don't let anyone deceive you the nation of Israel has been abandoned and the true God has chosen another nation that's producing the fruitage of faith! Matthew 21:43

That's the nation all of you need to IDENTIFY today because whoever is not connected to them have no share in the Kingdom of Christ, they are SPIRITUAL Jews {Zechariah 8:23} Paul spoke about them @ Romans 2:25-29

May you have PEACE!

You are wrong to say that God had totally abandoned his people whom he first know.
In Jeremiah that I pointed out to you God said he would not make a total end of Israel meaning he will not abandon them totally.
God's would must be fulfilled.

God's calling and election are without repentance.
Paul reiterated that what happened to Israel was blindness and once the gentiles had come into faith then Israel too will be saved.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a big lie Sir!

First of all you need to study what their God told them through the month of the first Israelite prophet (Moses) God gave this nation Laws about 600+ that will separate them from other nations, Moses has always been sceptical about what God commands him to tell the Israelites so in order for the people to BELIEVE (TRUST) in the Laws God wrote the first ten on stone tablets for the people to be sure that those laws weren't fabricated by Moses himself.
Now God told them that Moses is not their real deliverer because Moses only serve as the one to bring them out of Egypt but their real deliverer will save them from the hands of Satan the greatest enemy of faithful people. So through Moses God warned them that when their real deliverer comes whoever fail to listen to this prophet will be condemned for good:

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

The above is what God told that nation through the mouth of their first and foremost prophet as a nation so before the arrival of Jesus of Nazareth God kept sending prophets upon prophets to prepare their minds, prophets like David, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zephaniah, Zechariah, Malachi all spoke about this coming prophet that will serve as the Messiah/ Christ/ Saviour!

Shortly before his birth God fulfilled another prophecy that a prophet in form of a forerunner will come like Elijah to prepare their minds ahead of this greatest prophet of all times. Malachi 4:5

Then John the baptist came shouting in the wilderness to warn this stiff-necked people for the last time {Matthew 3:1} though the nation has been mistreating God's prophets for long. Their forefathers treated Moses badly despite the fact that Moses a former thug {Exodus 2:11-12} has been trained by their God to become the meekest of all men {Numbers 12:3} by time he served as a prophet and God in their midst! Exodus 7:1

So that was their last chance to continue being God's people or loose that privileged for good.
Their leaders compelled the nation to kick against the Christ and they accused, arrested, arraigned, charged, judged, convicted, sentenced and executed him all due to hatred for the message their God sent this man!

That's why Jesus before his arrest told them that God has condemned that nation for good:

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ’If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started! "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation. "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate". Matthew 23:29-38

Jesus' faithful disciples were troubled at heart as they're seeing the way things turn out so they asked him "we have left everything to follow you, what will be our own gain (since you keep saying bad things will happen to our nation)" {Matthew 19:27} that's why Jesus promised them that the glory of being the capital city of God's Kingdom on planet earth has been taken away from Jerusalem so he is taking his co-rulers to another destination: HEAVEN! John 14:1-4

So my friend, Jesus Christ the messenger of the covenant has come to his own people (the Israelites) but the nation as a whole rejected God's Son therefore the right to be God's people has been taken away from the Jews and passed out to anyone who accepts Jesus' teachings through what his faithful disciples recorded in the Bible! John 1:11-12

As for that nation all their descendants have scattered throughout the world after Jerusalem destruction and Jesus has warned his own disciples never to return to Jerusalem again {Luke 21:20-23} however Jesus has already told his followers that God's people will no longer concentrate on any geographical location right from the time he begins his ministry, due to the attitude of the Jews practicers of pure worship will worship in spirit and in truth {John 4:20-24} therefore the people assembling in that place right now are doomed, if what Jesus said is anything to do by!

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

God would definitely restore Israel, God said he will not make a full end of Israel.

Jeremiah 30:11
For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

PastorM:
Watch this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyseRF6BZI

There must be heresies in other to show those who are approved.

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

The job of Christians is to preach the truth (God's truth) to all, and not to withhold the gospel from others because of disunity of denomination.
Note, it is better to divided for the truth than to unite by lies.

AntiChristian:
Do the Jews ever believe their Lord has son(s)? And how was the son begotten by the Lord?

The verse I gave you, was it not a jew that wrote it?
Israel became God's through Adoption.

I think your Bible called you and Jesus slaves/servants of God.

1. Paul allegedly said in Romans 6:16:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

This means if we obey God then we are God's slaves!

2. Paul continues later in Romans 6:22:
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Here we see that those who have been set free from sins become slaves of God!

3. Luke also said in Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

Here we see Jesus relegated to being a servant of God by Luke.



Muhammad was able to establish Islam before he died!
What did your Jesus establish? Paul was the founder of Modern day Christianity and he never met Jesus.
So is Paul not the false prophet you are looking for?

And forever the Jews will never accept Jesus as their Lord and savior. They already believe Jesus was born out of wedlock hence a bastard!
Even Israel the country of your Lord has more Muslims than Christians!

Jesus is a servant of God and also the son of God.
Your son can work for you and hence your servant, yet he is still your son.

True Christians like Jesus are both sons and servants of God.

haekymbahd:
Jesus himself does not see himself as God.. we do not see him as God, Jesus said no one is good except one which is God. There is only one God.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.


John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

1 Corinthians 15
27 For He [the Father] has put all things in subjection under His [Christ's] feet. But when it says, All things are put in subjection [under Him], it is evident that He [Himself] is excepted Who does the subjecting of all things to Him.(D)

28 However, when everything is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to [the Father] Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life].



NIV
1 Corinthians 15: 27-28
New International Version
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Do you now accept the letters of paul?

You are quoting what you have no knowledge of.

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Can you bring a Bible verse that states or implies the above? The Jews of today deny worshipping Jesus as God! But you are here saying this!

which bible vs do you need?
The God of the jews has son

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

It is clearly stated that Allah does not have any son only slaves.

The jews deny Jesus because they are blinded for now but a time is coming when they will know the truth about Jesus.

Muhammad is the final Messenger of Islam. Christianity does not have any Holy Man except Jesus. All other men in the Bible must have one spot or sin that will make them fall short!

And of cos, you can't accept Muhammad as his teachings is contrary to Paul's and other writers of your Bible.

Thank God you know I can't accept mohammed teaching because it is contrary to the gospel.
Mohammed is a false prophet
Matthew 7:15-16 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?