muykem: Ex-convict is now America president. They are not ready for female president yet.
This is sexism in full glare, yet you lare totally oblivious to it. Why should America vote because She is a woman? So voting for a woman is educated, progressive, civilized decision but voting for a man is sexists, backward, threatening, blabla. This seem to be about uplifting woman and bringing down man gender nonsense.
Kamala was hoping to ride on the sexist 'vote woman mantra' her campaign turned election to be women against men election and she rightfully lost.
She was hoping vote from Gen Z, feminists,black racists, transgender etc could make her president but failed woefully. Not tackling real issues, kept on evading questions and blaming trump, avoiding accountability, and riding on hate campaign etc
Not advisable. Is she the one that wants to sponsor the marriage, there is a reason he has not yet proposed, men are taught to be providers and not to depend on their spouse so he only just consider his ability to provide and most times it is either not there or insufficient.
MightySparrow: 2Pet.1.4 - Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Goat give birth to goat, lion give birth to lion, God give birth to God, It is important to let scripture speaks for itself.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
The comparison here is between fleshly nature (flesh) and spiritual nature (spirit), this is not talking about God's deity but a nature that is doesn't belong to this world.
Christianity is not an occult society, false teaching must be called out irrespective of status and fame of the person teaching it God is no respecter of persons.
Ezesyl111: In this video, Apostle Arome Osayi opens up about the reasons he addresses issues within the ministry, explaining his heart for the Church and his desire to see God’s truth upheld.
Apostle Osayi unpacks why he believes it's important to call out certain teachings and behaviors, by certain men of God
In the same video, Apostle Joshua Selman reiterates the need for accountability among young ministers, emphasizing the need to honor fathers not criticize or castigate them.
the same arome osayi that couldn't call out joshua Selma and suleiman. Selman is talking about not criticising fathers but criticises the apostle Paul.
austed: VOICE OF WISDOM: TITHE AND SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACKS Social media has become a battleground for religious debates, with one of the most contentious issues being the practice of tithing. Misinformation and attacks on the church have proliferated online, often fuelled by those who misunderstand or intentionally misrepresent biblical teachings. Ironically, some religious leaders have joined the chorus of critics, undermining the very institution they are meant to uphold. Instead of clarifying misconceptions and guiding their congregations, they have chosen to sow discord and confusion. Devout members of the church understand the spiritual significance of tithing and willingly contribute to the support of their faith and church. They do not complain. Unfortunately, there are those who actively oppose the teachings of the church and the scriptures, seeking to mislead and deceive the vulnerable and drag them to their uncertain destination. This write-up is purely to put the records straight for the interest of millions of people who are deceived by this misinformation. Some of them and some pastors have postulated that 1) Tithe payment is a scam 2) Jesus never received or encouraged any to pay tithe 3) Tithe has been abolished 4) That the Bible empowers them to eat and drink liquor with their tithes 5) Pastors should work and not depend on tithes, etc
This write-up is meant to correct these views once and for all so that those being deceived and those sitting on the fence will have a solid anchor. It is obvious that the majority of those kicking against tithe payment have never paid tithe before or have been paying grudgingly. Moreover, what is the percentage of tithe payers in every church? I think most of the people raising dusts about tithes and offerings are totally ignorant of church finances. Quite well, there are mega churches who make millions in offerings and tithes, but have we considered the expenses of such churches? No church leader can afford to buy a private jet or live in luxury on church tithes and offerings. Even if they do, they are very few in numbers. Furthermore, many are simply driven by envy against some successful churches. What is the percentage of the successful pastors that are attracting envy? Honestly, they may not be up to one percent. I can conveniently say for sure that those successful pastors are not surviving on the church tithes and offerings. Most of them are into other businesses that have made them rich. In every profession, there are always those who are richer than others. It is so among the pastoral communities. I do not think those using private jets, for example, may have bought such luxuries with tithes and offerings. A tithe payer who knows the enormous benefits inherent in tithe payments can not be among these crowd throwing stones against the church. The so-called men of God who are against tithe payment know who they are working for and how they are getting the money to run their ministries or churches. WHAT IS TITHE? Tithe simply means paying one tenth of every believer’s income to God through the church
WHY PAY TITHE: I. God commanded it II. Giving God a part of what he gave us III. That there will be meat in the house of God IV. That the church can grow WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF PAYING TITHE a. Open heaven b. Outpouring of blessings c. Abundance, so you will not have enough room to contain it d. So that devourers can be rebuked WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE WHO DO NOT PAY TITHE a. Closed heaven b. Things will be tight c. Unnecessary expenditure d. Disobedience to God’s instruction e. God tags such believer a robber
TESTIMONIES OF THOSE WHO PAY THEIR TITHE FAITHFULLY a. Many have been lifted from nobody to somebody b. Many businesses that would have closed down under heavy spiritual attacks survive easily after tithe was paid on the businesses c. Sicknesses that came upon the tithers could not resist healing prayers LET’S NOW ADDRESS SOME OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS 1. Tithe can not be a scam because the word of God, both in the New and Old Testaments encourage the congregants to pay their tithes. Read Leviticus 27:30, Malachi 3:10, Hebrews 7:8. Tithe payment is made in the church to God. The Men of God receive it on behalf of God Almighty. Any child of God paying tithe must understand that God is the receiver of his/her tithe and not man. Any man who operates in the office of a pastor receives it for God. Tithe payment will not profit you if you think you are paying it to the church or the pastor. 2. Some who said Jesus never received or encouraged any to pay tithe are ignorant of the scriptures. Please carefully read Matthew 23:23 and Hebrews 7:8 -10. Matt.23.23 – “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone”. Heb.7-10: “And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him”.
It is only the gentile churches that argue about tithe payment because it is not in their DNA to pay tithe. A typical Jewish man cannot be reminded to pay his tithe because it is in his nature and upbringing to pay one tenth of all his income to God. This attests to the fact that the richest race on earth is the Jewish race because they always honour God with their tithes. When some ignorantly insist that Jesus never collected tithe nor offerings, I laugh in Greek because such people can not explain why Judas was the one carrying the bag of the ministry of Jesus. John 12.4-6. “Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein”. So, what were they putting in the bag, if not tithe and offerings? Jesus did not need to say much about tithes and offerings in the New Testament because such was normal and proper among the Jews. Those who claim that tithe has been abolished should understand that tithe payment preceded the law of Moses. It is one of the fixed laws of creation. Take a look at the 10 commandments. Nothing was said about tithe. So, tithe was never part of the law received by Moses but was a regular instruction given to the children of Israel. Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek before the law was given to Moses. Gen.14.18 – “And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all”. Jacob in Gen. 28:20-22 made a vow to pay tithe to God before the law came “And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee”. Who taught Jacob to pay tithe, if not God? It is wrong to assume that the law of tithing was abolished by the Lord Jesus Christ. Some quote Deut. 14:22-29 as a license to eat and spend their tithes the way they like, including using it to drink alcohol. These are chronic and incurable selfish beings who pretend to be speaking for God and the gullible masses. In all the places that tithe is mentioned in the Bible, the only one that appeals to their soul is this one. God can not contradict himself, and He is not an author of confusion. Abraham paid tithe to the priest of the most high. Jacob vowed to pay tithe, and when God reminded him to go back to Bethel, God was simply reminding him to go and redeem his vow. Why did he not drink alcohol with it and tell God he has paid his tithe? This particular scripture (Deut. 14:22-29) is simply quoted out of context as a result of mischief and or ignorance. The instruction, I believe, was given to the children of Israel for a particular reason that was not disclosed and can never be a standard for the administration of tithe. The scripture was clear in Malachi 3:10 on the reason for tithing. Mal.3.10 – “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it”.
WHAT IS TITHE USED FOR IN THE CHURCH? a. Paying the salaries of all church workers: Many churches in Nigeria employ workers more than some state governments. b. Maintaining the daily expenses of the church e,g. electricity bills, refuse disposal, fuelling of generator and church vehicles, etc c. Printing of posters and flyers d. Paying of rent e. Church building projects f. Helping the poor in the church: g. Most churches are involved in charity works; they give out palliatives more than the government g. Missionary works e.g evangelism, h. Paying for TV and Radio messages One of the reasons why the gospel of Jesus has survived all attacks and all odds till this day is because of tithes and offerings. (Zechariah 1:17) I will advise those who are envious of pastors collecting tithes and offerings to apply for employment in the vineyard of the Almighty. God is merciful and will consider calling them into His vineyard. (Anyone who answers imaginary calls because of money will jump out of the ship of the church in total frustration). The harvest is plentiful, but the labourers are few. Such people are warmly welcomed and those who think they are working for God and are speaking against tithes and offerings should continue. Any pastor who does not believe in tithes and offerings may be under the payroll of satanists or they know where they are getting their money from. Finally, those who maintain that pastors should be working and pastoring at the same time do not understand what it takes to be called a shepherd. Pastors are shepherds who watch over the flock both spiritually and physically. It may not be easy to combine the two. Some say Apostle Paul was making tents, but they forgot that Apostle Paul was an evangelist, not a shepherd. Every shepherd is always available for his flock. God bless everyone of us who see the truth in this write-up and keep it. I dedicate this write up to millions of pastors, church leaders and general overseers who are being maligned, insulted and ridiculed by the ignorant social media bloggers who do not know that any attack against the church is an affront against God and the gospel. To the church leaders who are dying due to sicknesses and diseases because of lack of money for proper medical care. To millions of church leaders who cannot afford to give their children proper education because of paucity of funds. To those who, together with their families, have been subjected to compulsory fasting and prayers not for the love of it but to make ends meet. To those living at the mercies of affluent church members who give them used and problematic cars, who have suffered repairing those cars with little or nothing. I pray for them that our rewards may not only come in heaven but also here on earth.
Pastor Ferdinand Nmeka +2348056338658 General Overseer, Divine Result Evangelical Church, 137, Babs Animashau Road, off Bode Thomas street, Surulere, Lagos
The new testament church is not commanded to tithe, God didn't command Abraham to tithe neither Isaac that is not to say tithing is Wong, but it is a matter of individual chruch doctrine.
The book of Malachi did not call Christians who don't tithe thieves neither is the law of tithing for the church it was jews who broke the law of tithing.
ALMUSTAQIM: Assalaam Alaekum wa Rrahmatullah wa Barakatuh
*RIGHTEOUSNESS*
In Islam, Righteousness (Taqwa) is an important virtue that refers to the fear of Allah at all times and in all situations as well as the commitment to living a life that is Pleasing to Him. It involves following the teachings of Islam, including the Five Pillars (the declaration of Faith, Prayer, Charity, Fasting and the pilgrimage to Mecca) and avoiding actions that are considered sinful or harmful to oneself or others.
Being righteous is seen as a means of drawing closer to Allah and gaining His favors. It is also believed to bring blessings and rewards in this life and the hereafter. In the Qur'an, Allah (SWT) says: "And whoever does Righteousness, whether male or female, while he is a believer - We will surely cause him to live a good life and We will surely give them their reward [in the Hereafter] according to the best of what they used to do" (16:97).
In Islam, Righteousness is not just about following rules and regulations but also about developing a strong moral character and acting with kindness, compassion, and fairness towards others. It is believed that living a righteous life leads to inner peace and contentment as well as contributing to the overall well-being of society.
Ya Allah, We pray you make us part of your righteous servants always. Continue to Guard and Guide us aright, Increase us in Knowledge, Provisions and Sustenance and enable us become better Muslims, Better Nigerians.
Happy Jumaat, Happy Weekend
you mean the righteousness of raping a 9 yr old aisha, or Mohammad coveting his son's wife, sleeping with slave women and Muslim women, the righteousness in doing mutar (protitution), robbing caravans, even allah is the best of all decievers, many Muslims are better than Mohammad he lived like a pig and a dog.
What kind of righteousness permit you to lie and decieve the unbelievers? Or for men to sleep with the daughters gotten outside marriage? Or for women to give their breast to men that are not their husbands to suck?
Mohammad was not even sure where he was going when dies.
Jesus on the other hand is the personification of righteousness, he was born without sin, he lived a sinless life, he is the only prophet the Koran called holy. There was nowhere Jesus ever beg for the forgiveness of sin because he had no sin actually Jesus is more than a prophet, there is no religion that ever exist that have anything to bad to say about Jesus even the atheist when they read the history about Jesus confess that Jesus was positively different from people. Jesus knew where he was coming from and he knew where he was going to, he defeat death and the grave and ascended to heaven, even Islam said Allah took Jesus to heaven, the question is if Jesus was not a holy and a sinless man would Allah have taken him to heaven?
Jesus have power to given eternal life to all who believes in him, this is possible because Jesus gives righteousness to anyone who believes in him, this righteousness is not the one they worked for but the one Jesus gives as a gift to them because he died for them.
Believe on the Lord Jesus today and receive the true righteousness.
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
lawani: Do you really believe Christianity and Islam should be able to.threaten law abiding people with hell fire in the public space tagging them unbelievers?.
So does it threaten law abiding citizens? Should law be made because of emotions or sound reasoning?
GothamCities: Everyone who is called has a gospel committed to him through revelation. Not Paul alone.
Any gospel different from what Paul and the other apostles teach is heresy.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
has to align himself with Christ like every other Believer. He himself said he had to keep under his body. He had to be ensure he wasn't misleading the flock. In fact, he had to first check out with the prominent apostles after he returned from Arabia to ensure he was on the right track.
Paul himself would also stand before the judgment seat of Christ like everyone's of us!
of course Paul followed Christ and he is a role model to every believer. @ bolded this is false, Paul did not seek permission from anybody.
Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Steep, I didn't say people call you Pauline Christian. I said you should ask why some Christians call you Pauline Christian since you were asking me to show you who doesn't believe in Paul's ministry. I am a follower of Christ and of Paul who pointed me away from himself towards Jesus. I'm telling you to see things objectively and know why those people were firing at Damina.
I proud to be a Pauline Christian, Paul preached nothing but Christ and him crucified. Christianity is basically Pauline. Ecclesiastical order that cannot remove the beam from their eyes. Placing tithing as one of the orthodox Christian doctrine exposed their in competence. I believe in tithing, but it is not part of the fundamental Christian teachings. There are churches that do not tithe it doesn't make them heretical, but rejection of the inerrancy of scripture of which the letters of Paul and Peter is concerned is plainly an heresy.
GothamCities: Since you even said they should condemn infant baptism and other things, I already know that you cannot understand anything I say. I'm 100% sure you have never been in any leadership position especially in a Christian organization. There's no leader who would speak the way you did.
They're not umpires over people's faith. I repeat. Matters of faith are different from matters of individual beliefs. This people are telling Damina not to use his individual belief to corrupt the minds of others. They're not addressing denominational beliefs such as Paul or no Paul. If Damina had kept the heresies to himself, no one will bother. But to teach others his own new and personal heresies, he should be called to order!
🤦 Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Since when did the Christian faith become subjective? You are a kid, You have so far failed all the standards you mentioned of the things that makes heresy yet you are doubling down, I just showed you that the doctrine of the inerrancy of the Pauline epistles just like others is a universal Christian belief endorsed by Peter, yet you continue to argue blindly. Not even heretical groups like the jehovah witness and Mormons would ever dare to dispute this, not the Roman catholic church, angeliican, not the orthodox, penticostal and evangelicals, or baptist, any other protestant group, only. You are kid, the irony about it you telling someone else he is not mature.
LordReed: Reread what I wrote and tell me the part you don't understand lemme explain it to you.
Go ahead explain your statement below,
I agree that Churches are taking advantage of their tax exempt status but the thing is we need tax exempt charitable organisations because of how society is set up. Tampering with that might have unforeseen repercussions. IMO though I think Churches should be taxed for any income that is not used for charitable works or the running of their organisation.
GothamCities: Steep, you are not a balanced and mature adult at all! I must be frank with you!
I never once thought you were defending Damina. You were accusing the council of not calling out others who had made an heretic position on Paul. You accused them of bias, and I was trying to clarify things for you.
It is unrighteous judgement for you to insinuate that they're calling out Damina became of tithing. It was Freeze that started the tithing issue a long time ago. Not Damina. They only listed all the things Damina had said which they considered to be heresy.
The issue of Paul is a global issue. Not a Suleiman or Selman issue. I have told you this several times. All my explanations fell on deaf ears. There's a cross section of the Christian populace who believe Paul contradicted Jesus. Selman and Suleiman are just a fraction of those who hold that view. The council is not trying to address the issue. It existed before them. Even the early Christians had issues with Paul for their lack of understanding. Some even said they're for Paul, others said they're for Apollos. It is not a matter that just happened today. The Council is not addressing that matter. All denominations and churches have the right to choose what to believe in the matters of doctrine. No one is an umpire over anybody. But when a person emerges with his own long list of new revelations that are contrary to Scripture, he must be called to order!
The council members themselves are not infallible. There might even be some among them who are not Paulines. How do you want them to come out and condemn anti Paul messages? Why are you taking so long to understand this simple thing?
The council is not a denomination where everyone has the same beliefs. It's a gathering of Christian leaders from various backgrounds. Can't you see? That's why I gave you the London house illustration to let you know that they can only call out people who are against clearly defined Christian doctrines that no one has issue with. For example, Damina says there's no heaven. Have you ever heard any Christian say that before? Every Christian agrees there's an heaven, so they can calm him out on that. But on issues of Paul that has global and ancient disagreements, you can't expect them to be calling out anyone.
I don't know if you now get it. If you don't, just forget it and continue in your erroneous allegations. God's judgement is still there for all of us to face!
The council should reject infant baptism, purgatory, etc because they're the council of umpires who don't believe in infant baptism, etc. So, you think they should declare heresy on whatever you see as heresy because each member of the council is from the same denomination as yourself and they hold the same doctrines as yourself, and because the council is the Lord of the global Church. Isn't it? Please, grow up!
It is mind boggling that you cannot see your own contradiction, Mr mature.
Mr matured baby, do you even see your own hypocrisy, how can you say they are not umpire? Why are they writing this letter if they are not acting as umpire? There is no rigmaroling here, shielding some heresies why condemning others is hypocritical and unbecoming for a Christian body. You have returned back to having personal doctrine even when scripture is clear, but condemn another for doing the same.
Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. A body that cannot remove the log in its eye cannot remove the speck in another's eyes.
LordReed: Did you even read what I wrote? BTW yeah, I think gifts above a certain threshold should be taxed. If lottery winnings are taxed why shouldn't gifts of above a certain limit.
Did you read what you wrote before? You are asking government to tax churches? Even if government tax churches still wouldn't stop churches, my reply was to draw your attention on your bias against churches
GothamCities: Can you show me where I claimed you said Damina should not be called out?
I said you are wrong to call it a bias. Damina has been releasing a volley of heresies for more than a decade. It's even late of them to be calling him out just now.
No it is what you thought I was doing, You thought I was defending Abel, it is bias the so called Ecclesiastical council does not even no that tithing is not part of the orthodox Christian doctrine smh that is to tell you they have ulterior motive. It is still not late, all they need to do is denounce anybody denigrating the teachings of Apostle paul and affirming it as part of the inerrant scripture and that anybody faulting it is not part of the Christian body even without mentioning names everyone will know who they are. And also the teachings that Christians are gods or they are somehow the miracle workers or should be worshipped should also be declared as heresies other false teachings going round should also be debunked and rejected. Pastor adeboye did the right thing rejecting the teaching that without tithe no heaven although there are other things he also need to reject. The council should also reject infant baptism, purgatory, Mary as a comediatrix, praying to the dead saints, veneration of images and the likes, etc
lawani: Both religions preach hatred and if you count the violence Christianity have done in past centuries, you will see that they are no different from Islam.
Christianity has done no violence, Christianity is base on the life of the most wonderful person that was ever born. People who committed acts of violence did it against Christianity.
LordReed: I agree that Churches are taking advantage of their tax exempt status but the thing is we need tax exempt charitable organisations because of how society is set up. Tampering with that might have unforeseen repercussions. IMO though I think Churches should be taxed for any income that is not used for charitable works or the running of their organisation.
Then every money given to you freely should be taxed.
Mosques don't generate automatic revenue. An Alfa will work for you and charge you like a lawyer does and that will be the end of the transaction. That is why we don't have mega mosques like we have mega churches and why we don't have Alfas sitting on top of the economy like private jet riding Pastorpreneurs. Any serious government will not allow any extra government institution to be laying claim either covertly or overtly to a portion of people's income in the nation and that is what tithe collection is which puts churches in direct competition with the state. It is high time a law is made to ban tithe collection by churches though what is actually needed is to ban religion altogether from the public space. Any spiritual counselor should use methodology that can be taught and they should belong to a chartered body.
people have rights to practice religion as long as it does not violate human right. You are advocating for fascism because you don't fancy religion, people have the right to practice what you don't like as long as it does not voilate the right of others.
If the Quote below was what Damina said, he may not be wrong o!
Why!?
Because there is difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire
Hell is the place of torment a sinner goes BEFORE the day of resurrection. The sinner in hell is a union of his Soul and Spirit
The Lake of Fire is the place of torment a sinner goes AFTER the day of resurrection. The sinner in the Lake of Fire is a union of his Body, Soul and Spirit
Hell as a place of Torment ends after the day of Resurrection: this it is not eternal
However,
Hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire while the sinners are being judged.
Rev 20:13: "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."
Rev 20:14: "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
I am not a fan of Abel Damina, but if this was his claim in quote, he was correct!
Shalom my Brother!
Abel is correct in some things, hell is not forever it would be cast into the lake of fire, it is the lake of fire that is forever.
GothamCities: What does that change? It seems you just love to stir up arguments.
Paul said:
"..In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel." Romans 2:16.
1 Corinthians 11:1:
"BE ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ."
you love to argue blindly and you are deeply ignorant yet forming knowledge. Paul's gospel is the gospel of Jesus committed to him through revelation. You see how you have even more exposed your ignorance? You quoted quotes where Paul said follow me, what has this got to do with with the fact that Paul's teaching is that of Jesus? You are arguing against scripture, even that scripture already told you whom Paul follow but however he is talking about the quality of life he lead, 1 cor 10.
I read somewhere you said people call me Pauline christian, yea I follow Paul because he followed Jesus not those fake apostles and prophets that are nothing but liars. Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.
Righthussle: Sorry. Once I join now , I go here tithe, offering, first fruit, seed etc. Una go open office for person head.
The only religion i want to practice is the one that gives its members money every month. Not the one that take from the members. I want a religion with a powerful god that will give me a mansion here on earth not when I die.
If your god is the one that takes money from people every month instead of giving people money every month since he's all powerful, keep him to yourself. I no need am.
By the was, Saved from what exactly?
You dont need to join any religion to be saved, Neither do you need to pay anything.
Everything that you mentioned are things that are temporary, these things do not actually give lasting fulfillment and peace. You are only thinking on a short term basis.
Yes God can give you these things but however they are minor and temporary the most important thing is have eternal life, to be in God's kingdom, to live in union with him
And No you don't need to physically die to have it you can still be alive and have it but what you need is to be born again.
To reduce and all powerful God to a money giver is very low, who did you think gave us humans all the resources we are using, who do you think gave us understanding, wisdom, insight and creativity to do things.
Do you know how many mega joules of tons of energy the sun is turning out every single day and yet we only recieve less than 1% which is more than enough to for life and yet there are estimated 10billiion stars (suns) in our galaxy of which our sun is only an average size and trillions of other galaxies each having billions of stars in them all these are just 5% of the universe which size is unknown and you want to reduce such being to just money?
Apart from the fact that God is Almighty he also has other qualities some include righteousness, justice, holiness and love.
And by the way he is not just my God he is the God of all flesh and every human being is accountable to him on how we live our life
If we commit sins for example, lying, stealing, blasphemy, fornication, adultery, idolatery, every manner of wickedness going against what God has naturally ordained us to be as humans we will suffer the consequences because God is holy, righteous and just, but as a loving God he has provided a way of escape for us in christ, not just to escape the punishment but to have a new life that is rooted in righteousness, holiness, purity, goodness, love etc all in him.
Do they engage in any form of ritual/ rites, what are their beliefs systems, is it connected with some for of spirituality? All these should make him know what to do. Same goes with any group whether traditional or not.
Righthussle: Na after you give your life to christ them go tell you about tithe. Dem no dey mention tithe when you never join, na when you don join you go hear of tithe.
E be like campus cult, nobody go tell you say dem dey pay monthly dues, na when you don join you go hear am.
you don't need to tithe to be saved, all you need is the Savour Jesus christ. We are the one that needs God's help to be saved from sin and its consequence while God has provided it for us in is his Son Jesus christ.
He BECAME not that he was BORN (CREATED) higher than them it's as if saying the President of America is greater than an average citizen of America. Of course that's a statement of fact but he was never BORN greater than any citizen rather he BECAME GREATER after being sworn in as President of America. So Jesus BECAME GREATER than the angels after his successful earthly mission but before then he was also one of God's spirit sons (angels) in heaven!
🤦max that verse literally just separated Jesus from the angels. Arch angel Micheal is an angel just like the rest but Jesus is greater than all the angels including michael. That verse just destroyed jehovah witness teaching that Jesus is archangel Michael. Nobody is arguing against you that Jesus was not made greater than the angels. The subsequent verse clearly state that Jesus was a human made a little lower than the angels but crowned with glory and honor. Note how Jesus is separated from the angels repeatedly, the writer was actually debunking the heresy that Jesus was some high ranking angel such as Jehovah witness teach.
MaxInDHouse: I know you will ask this question that's why i've hidden it from the beginning of our discussion.
This is what a King said about a city:
“Is this not Babylon the Great that I myself have built for the royal house by my own strength and might and for the glory of my majesty?” Daniel 4:30
Now Mr Steep please did king Nebuchadnezzar built the city of Babylon himself by his own strength?
Did he say he built it by himself? Let me help you,
Ecclesiastes 2:11 Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.
Again this only means his labour's it does not mean he did it by himself as Jehovah said he created by himself and no one with him.
GothamCities: Meanwhile, the scriptures never make Paul the standard for judging heresy. Jesus is the standard. Any contrary opinion to Christ is heresy. Not Paul.
While Paul aligns his messages with Christ's, some others think he doesn't, and that's where the problem is.
after all the beating about the Bush. Paul didn't align his message to christ, his message was christ message. Galatians 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
GothamCities: My God! I thought I was talking to a mature Christian. I didn't know I have to break things down for you to understand. Would you actually place Peter alongside any of the PFN or Christian leaders we have today? Can't you see that if Peter were in the world today, whatever he says about Christianity will be final? When I said no one is an umpire over anyone's faith, was I not talking about today? If Peter, Paul, James, John or any of the apostles were in the world today, whatever they say would be final! Would you argue against Peter the same way you would argue against Adeboye or Billy Graham? They are the foundation upon which the church is actually built. We can trust their leadership! Today, nobody trusts anybody's leadership completely. Anyone can err. Hence, no one can be an umpire over the faith of others. Simple logic now. You can only correct what is generally accepted as wrong. Not sectional matters of faith that divide the Church.
There in your family, if you don't know that your father once lived in London, but there are unconfirmed reports of it, and meanwhile your father is unavailable to give clarity on the matter, would you call any member of your family who makes claims of your father's London residency a liar? That would be foolish. None of you are sure, though you'll all have your opinions depending on the level of information you have individually. Each of you will claim to be correct while the others are wrong. Yet, It will be wrong for anyone of you to call anyone a liar for supporting or not supporting the matter of your father's London residency. However, if someone comes up and says hey, your father never built a house when you all generally know that your father built a house, then you'll call that person a liar because that knowledge is explicit and generally known without any controversy. If someone comes up and says anything contrary to that, you can call him a liar or an heretic as in the case of Damina. But on the matter of the London house, you cannot call anyone a liar or an heretic. Everyone would hold on to his individual opinion as in the case of Suleiman and Selman. Except you want to deliberately bring up a fight of course. However if an external person who was an early associate of your father comes out to clarify the London issue, you would have to succumb to whatever he says as in the case of Peter. Should I be explaining this way before you get my point?
You should go and ask Paul why he had to defend his apodtolshipship. Personal opinion is personal interpretation! Paul says the same things as other apostles but some people thinks he contradicts! Why should you be twisting words? Some people think Paul contradicted Christ and other apostles. This has been since the days of Paul himself. How many times would I have to explain this to you?
Are Suleiman and Selman not part of the new testament church? Are they the only ones? Are there not other churches and individuals who have the same views as Suleiman? Are you a new Christian who knows nothing about the Christendom? Go and educate yourself and learn why some fellow Christians choose to call you a Pauline Christian!
You think you are matured?
See how you shot down your own argument.
According to the letter you posted, it defines an heresy.
Heresy is, "a belief or opinion contrary to orthodox Christian doctrine and any belief, teaching or practice that explicitly undermines the gospel." Heresies are "beliefs or teachings that deviate from established or orthodox doctrine, often considered contrary to the accepted teachings of a religion or faith." The definition of heresy has nothing to do majority agreement but contradiction against the historical teaching of the church from inception.
The orthodoxy teaching about Paul and his teachings are that Paul is truly an apostle and one of the foundation of Christianity and his teachings are inerrant making contrary opinion heresy meaning joshua Selman and suleiman are heretics.
You might think you are educated and mature but it is only an irony, even your definition of heresy goes against what is defined in the letter. Good day.
MaxInDHouse: When a rich man claims he builds a mansion all by himself does it mean he never employed craftsmen working for him?
So which big man would say he build a mansion by himself whereas he didn't do it by himself.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Jehovah clearly said he strected the heavens alone and the earth by himself meaning there was no other being with him.
The brain behind creation of things is Jehovah but after creating the firstborn of all creations {Colossians 1:15 compare to Proverbs 8:22} Jehovah employed His firstborn Son to do other works under His supervision.
According to Jehovah he alone stretched the heavens and he made the earth by himself.
Ọmọ Jesus is archangel Michael that's why the same angel is said to be the one standing for the salvation of obedient mankind! Daniel 12:1 compare to Matthew 23:37-38
Jesus is the head of all loyal spirit sons of God (angel) that's why he is called the "archangel". Matthew 25:31 compare to Revelations 12:7
Jesus is the resurrection {John 11:25} that's why his archangel's voice is used when it comes to the resurrection of dead souls! John 11:43 compare to 1Thessalonians 4:16
In the Bible book of Daniel 10:13 we read that Michael came to rescue the situation just as he did at Jude 1:9 this is the same angel who has been representing Jehovah for the salvation of God's people! Exodus 13:21; 14:19
So Jesus is the archangel Michael who often comes to salvage the situation anytime rebellious angels stands against the will of God!
But Jesus is greater than Michael. How can he be what he is greater than? Heb 1:4
GothamCities: Jesus Christ! Can't you see that even Peter had to address the issue of Paul and even commented that some of the things he teaches are hard to understand, and that as a result, some people wrest it to the detriment of their souls as they do the other scriptures? Paul himself at different occasions has had the need to defend his apostleship. In most of his epistles, there are chapters wholly dedicated to defending his apostleship. Paul's matters are not of today!
Do you even sit for a minute to understand what you wrote? According to you can or pfn cannot judge what is right or wrong but here Peter is judging those who twist scriptures as doing it for their own damantion. If rejection of Pauline epistles was just a matter of personal opinion why would Peter denounce such persons? Again why would Paul defend his apostleship if it's was just a personal opinion? He even said anyone who preached a different gospel from the ones heard the other apostles preached are cursed and you say it is just a matter of personal opinion?
In what way did they act as authority over Abel Damina's faith? They asked him to stop misleading people on clear matters of faith! Simple! Matters that are generally believed and accepted by all believers.
And the whole church do not generally accept Paul's epistles as inspired scriptures? What credible non heretic church reject the teachings of Paul?
It is currently a debate. The new testament church is discussing the issue right now all over the world with different opinions coming to the surface.
what new testament church is debating it today name just one? Why is it hard for you?
Is tithing not scripture? Has anyone ever learnt about tithing in a university? Is it not from the Bible that we all get to know about tithing?
Show me how they have acted as authority over Damina's faith. If Damina is not teaching others what is considered entirely anti-scripture by all Christians worldwide, would anyone have to call him out? He should keep his heresies to himself and not corrupt the body with his leaven of falsehood.
just one question show me one non heretic church that rejects Paul's teachings? Just one
Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Chinyere's (OPM G.o's) Prediction On US Election Fails by Steep(m): 7:19am On Nov 07, 2024
