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DaddyCoool:
This Google below or another one?

That is because Ai is using the the secular definition of being.
However, when it comes to the Trinity the word "being" means essence.
Even Google admits it.

DaddyCoool:
Of course - Google knows you're alluding to Trinity. Quite different from saying same being

🤦‍♂️dude, goggle literally told you what Christians believe about the Trinity.
Jesus and the father are same being but different persons, because I'm describing the Trinity a person is not same as being.

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@daddycool, oops google seems to agree with me that a person is not the same as a being,

DaddyCoool:
Well, if you say "same being", almost everyone, including Google, understands it to mean same person. Just say "is of same essence" like the Naecene creed does

The same Google also say this below

DaddyCoool:
Yeah, but this is second definition of one source. You've been shown the consensus number one definition of all sources (Google).
Bottom line:
Stop saying Jesus is same being as the Father. Say instead that Jesus is of same essence as the Father

Here is another one, when the word being is used in describing the Trinity it does not mean person.

DaddyCoool:
You can't make up your own English. We've gone to Google and Merriam-webster, the smartest sources we have - and they both say "same being" means same exact person

I didn't make up anything

No 2 definition the definition of a being used in describing the Trinity.
This is Oxford dictionary. You can see that there are atleast four definition of a being.

DaddyCoool:
OK, here's Merriam-Webster:

This is just one definition of what a being is. According to that definition of Merriam,a being is a person, this is a very limited and narrow definition.
A tree is a being but not a person.
The word "being" and "person" as used to describe the Trinity is not the same way it is used in everyday language.
A being is the existence of anything living with set qualities and attributes. While a person is the self awareness a being posseses.
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DaddyCoool:
I see what the problem is: you don't know what "same being" means. See below

That is very arrogant of you to assume such.
The word "being" can have different meaning.
It can be used to refer to a person which is understandable because humans are mono personal beings so we tend to define a being as a person.

DaddyCoool:
How does this tally with your statement below?

"Paul attributed God's very essence to christ making christ same being with the father."

Jesus christ and God the Father share same essence or are one being but separate persons. Another way of putting it is that the divine being God is a tri-personal being unlike you and I, who are mono-personal beings.

DaddyCoool:
Which raises a question:
When Christ was crucified was the Father also crucified?

Of course the father is another person distinct from the Son

Janosky:
Is Colossians 2:9 & Colossians 3:1 in your own Bible?

Oga,is Christ ( with the fullness of divine nature) sitting in your parlor?
Is Christ sitting at God's right hand in your sitting room?

Where was Christ dwelling at the time of Paul's conversion?

Oga,go and study your Bible.

Shalom .

Smh so if christ has the fullness of God's deity does not that make him God?
If an animal has the full nature of a lion doesnt that make that animal a lion?
Christ having the fullness of God's nature means he can do everything the father can do, it also means he is uncreated because that is one of the attributes of God's nature.
Paul attributed God's very essence to christ making christ same being with the father.

GothamCities:
You're right.

Thanks for the correction.

you are welcome

btoks:
Bible has to be read as a whole and it is not an instruction manual of all doctrine from 1st page to last. You do realise the church already existed and the scriptures were written to the church decades after the event? There was also word of God via sacred Tradition which the Catholic church has passed down and clarified via councils where required. In fact, it is the protestant doctrine of sola scriptura that is to be rejected has this was never taught by the Apostles by letter or tradition. You will need to decide how it is you believe in a biblical canon and sola scriptura where these are clearly not within the bible.

when it comes to doctrine scripture alone is the authority.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The Catholic choice passed down traditions that didn't originate from the apostles and the early church such as veneration of Mary ,Roman Catholicism go against the apostles by teaching what they didn't teach.

We see seeds of veneration of Mary, when she visited Elizabeth - Luke 1: 43 - 44 And why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?For behold, when the sound of your greeting came to my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.

Veneration is honour given to all saints , worship (Latria) is given to the Trinity alone. All made clear via tradition/magisterium. - Read the Apostles Creed from latest 4th century to see the mention of the 'communion of saints'. Please read other documents and letters from the early church fathers to get a feel for how christianity was practised. Every Christian practice was never detailed in the bible.

veneration of Mary was never taught by the Apostles. Elisabeth conversation with Mary was never taken as a doctrine for the church, neither is praying through Mary, they were all imported after the death of the apostles.

DaddyCoool:
Well, the Bible says He was fully God. See below.
"Fully God" implies "fully all-knowing". No?

Jesus not knowing the day of his coming means it is not his responsibility but the father.

GothamCities:
Does that negate the fact that the Messiah is from everlasting? No!

Jesus was not fully God in the days of His flesh. Neither was He fully man.

na, Jesus was fully man and fully God. He was/is not a partial God and partial man.

btoks:
You stated that 431AD was too long after the death of the apostles to accept the declaration of Mary as Theotokus plus veneration.

whatever, doctrine that contradict scripture must be rejected.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. The apostles never taught veneration of Mary.

I gave you a couple of other mattters of faith that were declared around the same period as above but your response was to ask whether we should follow all Jewish beliefs. Now the question is how do you determine what to accept from the early church and its various councils, including whether the bible itself is correct? The bible does not even list which book constitutes it.

The jews can also claim the same. Without them, you won't have the bible.

I think at some point you'll have to believe that.There is an authority that makes decisions (binding and loosing). What is this authority?

It is the authority to make non doctrinal decisions and the authority.

btoks:
In response to this part - with your logic, wouldn't you say the canonisation of the bible itself, occurred a very long time after the death of the apostles? The earliest council to affirm the current 73 book bible was the council of Rome in 382 AD! Why do you believe the bible as we have it today with 27 NT books is correct. Could these also have been brought in going by your logic?

How about the decision on the deity of Christ at Nicea in 325 AD against the Arian Heresy

I want to ask you a question, The fact that the Jewish nation gave birth to christ, does that mean that whatever the Jewish believe in or teaches is true?
How come Jesus challenges the leaders of the jews even though they kept the kept and preserved the old testament?

Unlike us, Jesus is sinless, he didn't possess a human nature that has being tainted by sin. The human nature is a fallen nature from the Adam, so it craves sin but Jesus human nature is without sin, there is no man like him. All who put their faith in him will eventually become like him when he returns.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

danvon:
This is why Sharia law bans a female from being alone with a male who is not her family member.

Did Mohammad the founder of islam not rape 9yr old aisha? It is part of Islam.

lagonovo:
Not a problem, I will try my best to source some info and provide responses to your posers regarding Mary, her role, and the way the Catholic Church views her. This is to emphasize Mary’s unique role in salvation history, her deep connection to Christ, and the Church's consistent reverence for her as the Mother of God. The opinion here might differ from other Christian denominations, but just like you, the goal is to clarify, and to foster a deeper understanding of the faith. Faith is faith, not science. Keep in mind that I refer to the more traditional Catholics. There are Catholics who lean towards some form of Pentecostalism with zero focus on Mary or the saints, they focus more singularly on Christ and their respective individual and collective roles in the earthly realm. While others are a mix. Bottomline, there is a reason why we call it "faith".

Roman Catholicism is a false religion just as Islam or Buddhism is.

1. How was she central to the first miracle, by performing it?
Catholics often interpret the event at the wedding of Cana (John 2:1-11) as significant in understanding Mary’s role. In this passage, Mary informs Jesus that the wine has run out, prompting Jesus to perform His first miracle. While Mary does not "perform" the miracle directly, her role is central because she acts as an intercessor, bringing the problem to Jesus’ attention. Catholic theology sees this as an example of Mary's intercession, where she acts as a mediator between humanity and Christ. The key is that Jesus listens to His mother and responds to her request, demonstrating her unique role in salvation history.

saints who have physically died do not pray or intercede for anybody. Any Christian who is still alive (physically) can intercede.

2. Have you read the whole of Revelation 12? Do you think the scripture is really about Mary?
Catholics tend to see Revelation 12 as a symbolic depiction of Mary, particularly in the vision of the woman clothed with the sun, who gives birth to a male child (interpreted as Christ) and is pursued by a dragon (symbolizing Satan). While some Protestants see this passage as purely symbolic of the Church or Israel, Catholics believe it also refers to Mary, who bore Jesus Christ and has a special role in God's plan of salvation. This interpretation is supported by the Church’s historical teachings and its understanding of Mary as the Mother of the Church.

The woman in Revelation is not Mary.

3. When someone told Jesus, "blessed is the womb that bore you," What was his reply?
Jesus’ reply, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it” (Luke 11:27-28), emphasizes the importance of obedience to God’s will, rather than elevating His mother above others. However, most Catholics emphasize that Jesus’ statement is not a rejection of Mary's unique role, but rather a teaching on discipleship. Jesus is emphasizing that all believers who follow God's Word and keep His commandments are blessed, but this does not negate Mary's unique, blessed role as the Mother of God. In fact, Catholic teaching holds that Mary is the epitome of one who hears God’s word and keeps it perfectly.

Just as you call Mary mother of God so also David is the father of God, it is not a cause for veneration. The woman in that verse said blessed is the person that blessed him but Jesus said rather those who obey him are the blessed ones meaning the blessings is for obeying God not because one is the mother, father or relative of Jesus.

Luke 1:45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
In luke 1.45 the blessing came on mary becauze she believed not because she is Jesus mother.

4. Every Christian has to hold Mary in high esteem as the earthly mother of Jesus. But other than that, she holds no power.
Catholic theology maintains that Mary is not just a mortal woman but has been given a special role in salvation history. While she lived and died like a mortal, Catholics believe she was assumed into Heaven (Assumption of Mary) and now holds a unique position as the Queen of Heaven, interceding for the faithful. The idea of Mary's "power" is not that she is independent of God, but that she has been given a special relationship with Him that allows her to intercede on behalf of humanity. Catholics do not view Mary as a source of power in herself, but as a powerful intercessor who points the faithful toward Christ.

All saints held in high esteem (because they believed the word of God) but not bowing to their images or praying to them. Mary is not the queen of heaven, the queen of heaven is an idol, Roman Catholicism is Satanism in disguisd.
Only one person can mediate in heaven and that is Jesus. Only The high priest can minister in the holy of holiest which represent heaven.

5. Was she revered and worshipped by the apostles?
Catholics argue that the apostles certainly held Mary in high esteem, though the type of reverence and devotion that grew over the centuries was more fully articulated later in Church history. The apostles themselves were focused on the proclamation of the Gospel, but Mary’s special role was recognized and honored within the early Church, especially by the time of the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD, which declared Mary as "Theotokos" (God-bearer). While the devotion to Mary developed over time, Catholics believe this devotion is deeply rooted in the Church's early understanding of her role as the Mother of Jesus and the Church.

431 AD is a very long time after the death of the apostles, during their time such abomination called veneration of Mary was never practice, it is obvious these heresies were brought in.
The apostles has already prophecies that such heresies would enter.2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

6. When did the devotion and the reverence to Mary start?
Devotion to Mary began in the early Church, with the first major recognition of her role coming at the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD. However, the veneration of Mary likely began much earlier, as the early Christians honored her as the mother of their Savior. The Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55) is an early proclamation of Mary’s significance. The Church’s understanding of Mary has deepened over the centuries, but her central role in salvation history has always been recognized, even if expressed more fully at later points.

7. If it did not start with Jesus Christ and the disciples, are we saying that Christianity is subject to changes and 'plus and minuses'?
Catholics would argue that the development of devotion to Mary is part of the Church’s living tradition, which grows and deepens over time. Catholicism teaches that the Church, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, develops a deeper understanding of revelation over time without changing the core truths of the faith. The teachings on Mary are seen not as changes to the Gospel but as clarifications of the Church’s understanding of her role in God's plan. The idea is that as the Church reflects on Scripture and tradition, it may come to a fuller appreciation of certain truths.

It never originated from the bible, mariolatry is paganism. It is the worship of divine feminine.

8. People say they don't worship Mary, they pray to her. As Christians, can we separate worship from prayer?
Catholics make a clear distinction between worship (latria) and veneration (dulia). Worship is due to God alone, while veneration is an honor given to saints and Mary, as the greatest of saints. Catholics pray to Mary not to worship her, but to ask for her intercession with her Son, Jesus. Catholics believe that prayer to Mary is a form of asking her to pray for them, just as one might ask a friend to pray for them. This is not worship, but a recognition of her special role as the Mother of the Church and the intercessor for all Christians.

saints who have died (physically) can't pray for anybody they are decibed as asleep which does not mean they ceased to exist but that they are in a state of rest.

9. These are genuine questions, and I hope it does not lead to a fight or anything.
Catholics would affirm that these are indeed valid and important questions, and they would encourage respectful dialogue. The goal is to provide a reasonable and respectful explanation of the faith, helping to clear up misunderstandings while fostering unity and charity.

There can never be unity with idolatry and heresies. Roman Catholic church is filled with abomination.

Roman Catholicism is part of the wide road to hell.

Jacktheripper:
Imagine this: It's 2 AM, I was curled under my duvet scrolling through Twitter like there's no bill to pay. But amidst the sea of memes and funny clips, I saw the ultimate late-night question that jolted my brain: "Does God exist?"

So here we are, you and me, about to explore the debate that has kept philosophers up at night since we first looked at the stars.

You see, some people like my mother say God is real and He is shadow-marking all of us.

People like her are pointing at everything from quantum physics, human biology to my aunt's recovery from "village people attack," saying, "See? it’s God" They wake up every morning, look at the country, and think, "Wow, even in this economy, there is God"

But here's the thing…

Believing in God isn't just about explaining the unexplainable, you know.

I feel it's more about finding purpose in a world that often seems as chaotic as the Twitter dramas.

It's that warm, fuzzy feeling of thinking, "Maybe I'm not just here by accident after all" It's like having Pastor Adeboye as your personal life coach, always rooting for you, even when you're just trying to decide between cooking and buying item 7 for dinner.

On the other side, we have doubters AKA the atheists. You will see them in abundance on Twitter.

They're scratching their heads, looking at the state of the nation, and thinking, "If God's real, He needs to call an emergency meeting with Nigeria's guardian angels."

They see floods in Lagos, kidnappings in the news, and another season of Big Brother Naija and wonder, "Is this really part of a divine plan?

For these skeptics, the idea of relying on faith feels like trying to pay for boutique clothes with Monopoly money.

They are the ones in the back of the church raising their hand and asking, "But why?" to every sermon point.

And let us be honest, sometimes their questions make you wonder if they have a point. After all, if God is all-powerful, couldn't He just have destroyed the devil? At least, by now we will be in the garden of Eden, naked and playing with wild animals.

Well, In a minute, you will see why (maybe) all those troubles are happening.

Then there are the fence-sitters, these ones are thinking, "Maybe God exists, maybe not. I'm just trying to be a good person and hope for the best."

They're hedging their bets in the spiritual lottery, hoping they have bought tickets for Heaven.

These folks are the spiritual equivalent of that friend who refuses to pick a restaurant but vetoes all your suggestions. They are not sure about the big questions, but they are pretty certain that being kind is a good idea, just in case there's a CCTV recording all our actions.

But wait, there's more.

I had a classmate back then in secondary school, who thinks of himself as a science nerd and believe we are all just living in some advanced alien science experiment.

Imagine that. Those aliens are probably watching us like a channel on DSTV, eating their space popcorn and saying, "Chai These Naija people are more entertaining than any other channel”

If this theory is true, then maybe our whole existence is just some extraterrestrial kid's science fair project. In which case, I hope we are at least getting a good grade. Though, looking at the state of my bank account sometimes, we might just have A is for God, “B is for me” type of project supervisor.

And then there are those who say, "If God is real, why doesn't He solve all our problems?" The way I see it is that maybe God is up there thinking, "I gave you a brain, now use it"

Imagine expecting your membership at a fancy gym to automatically give abs. It doesn’t work that way. At some point, you have to do some sit-ups yourself.

This perspective makes me wonder…

What if life is less about having our problems solved for us, and more about growing through the process of solving them? Maybe God, if He exists, is less of a cosmic ATM and more of a gym trainer, watching us struggle with our spiritual burpees and saying, "No pain, no gain"

Here is what I actually find interesting.

What if this whole God debate is less about some bearded guy in the sky and more about us? You and I.

Think about it.

Let me ask you...

How does your view of God shape your life? Let's say if you believe in God, does it give you a sense of purpose like you are starring in your own epic movie? Or does it sometimes feel like pressure, like you're constantly being watched by a divine Instagram Live?

If you don't believe in God, does it make you feel more in control of your destiny? Or does it ever leave you feeling like a lone person in the vast, indifferent dust of the Sahara desert?

What’s more?

How much of what you believe is actually because of you, and how much is because of where and how you grew up?

If you were born in America instead of Nigeria, or in the time of our great-grandparents, would your views on God be completely different?

In the end, whether you believe or not, just try to be a good person.

Because if you reach the heaven gates and God asks, "Why should I let you in?" you can't just say, "Er... because I shared all those Facebook broadcasts with my five friends?"

So, you can choose to pick any side of the argument, but remember: if God is watching us, let's give Him a good show. And if He's not... well, at least we entertained ourselves. After all, life is too short (or too long) to not find humor in the big questions.

Who knows? Maybe God has a great sense of humor like me. Maybe that's why He created Nigerian politicians. Or maybe that's why I have the ability to ponder His existence this midnight instead of getting a good night's sleep like a sensible human being.

You know what? Keep questioning, keep laughing (keep it moderate before you end up in Aro), and keep being kind. Because whether we are a divine creation, an accident, or an alien science experiment, we are all in this together. And that, I believe, is worth staying awake for.

Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go contemplate the meaning of life... or maybe just watch some Purple Speedy videos. It's a tough choice at 3 AM.


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Dominique

It is a disaster living our lives with uncertainty, asking questions is good getting answers is better.
First and foremost, many people do not even consider what God is?
Their idea of God might not exist but the truth is God exist.
Whatever brought forth this universe, predates the universe hence outside of the universe including space and time.

That God must be personal as opposed to impersonal because he posseses intelligence. This intelligence is seen in the universe and structure of the universe. The reason man can do science is because the universe is structured in an intelligent way that makes it possible to be studied.

Religions and their claims must be studied and their validity determined rather than dismissing it as an unintelligent nonsense.

Buddhism, Hinduism, African traditional religion, Islam and Christianity speaks about God, they all contradict each other but which is telling the truth, where does the evidence leads?

Jesus is God.

Michael547:
Ok. Explain John 1:18 if John 1:1 means that Jesus is the Almighty God.
Who is the God that no one has seen?

Jesus christ is God. John 1:1.
In the same scripture some people saw God.

Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Judges 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

Exodus 24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Ken4Christ:
The scripture says:

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

To understand the phrase, 'having spoiled principalities', let's look at the rendering in another translation:

"Having made himself free from the rule of authorities and powers, he put them openly to shame, glorying over them in it."(Bible in Basic English).

Notice the phrase;
"Having made himself free from the rule of authorities and powers"

You jumped to an incorrect translation because it agrees with you.
Kjv is absolutely correct, Jesus disarms the rulers and authorities.

You only make yourself free from what was holding you captive.

No where in the bible it says so.

There was a battle in hell. Initially, Satan appeared to have the upper hand as a new sinners in quote just entered his domain.

Remember, our sins were laid on Jesus on the cross. So, Jesus at that moment was a sinner under divine judgement. Satan too, took advantage of it and tortured him for a while until he freed himself. He also took from Satan the keys of hell and death.

nonsense, Jesus was never tortured in hell, all of Jesus work of salvation ended on the cross.

The carnal mind cannot understand this. Let me just stop here for you to digest this first.

digest rubbish? Emotionalism is not spirituality it is carnality.

Jesus finished the work of salvation on the cross
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The shedding of christ blood is what was needed for the remission of sin.
Why?

According to the law life must be given for life.

Ex.21:23-24

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.


Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

All of these scriptures tells you christ offering on the cross is completely atones for man beyond this there is no offering for sin.

All of the scriffice carried out by the priest is on the alter and it is all based on the shedding for blood.

The evidence of this is that Jesus said it is finished.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

The work of salvation was finished right there on the cross.

Ken4Christ:
Yes, because Jesus was made sin for us. So, at that moment, Satan had dominion over him. But when God, the Father saw that the demand of justice has been met, he declared the entire human race free. That was when Jesus threw off the principalities that held him and he made a public spectacle of them.

Where in the scripture did it say Jesus went to hell to continue his suffering, I can show you from scripture that Jesus payment for sin ended on the cross, stop adding to scripture what it didn't say just because it trickles your fancy.

Ken4Christ:
Where did he go after his death on the cross? Answer with proofs from the scripture.

Where is your proof from the bible that Jesus went to hell to suffer?

rottennaija:
How is suffering punishments in hell my punishments? did i create hell? I did not exist then, so why should it have been my problem?

Hell is a place of separation from God. Anyone who do not want God, who reject God are the ones who are thrown in hell.

Ken4Christ:
The sacrifice he made was the blood he shed on the cross.

Secondly, he went to hell to suffer the punishment you and me were supposed to suffer.

He rose again from the dead to prove that death has been defeated. And all those who believe in Him will also rise up from the dead.

Besides, he rose from the dead with a glorified body that is not sustained by blood.

Jesus did not go to hell to suffer.

Lukuluku69:
Na scam. We have been saying it for ages.

To sacrifice means to let go of something in this case his Life. Talking it back after 2½ Days is no Sacrifice.

Mohammad the pedophile na scam him and his idol allah be. He scammed Muslim women to sleep with them, he even scammed his father in law to marry kadijat, he scammed his son to take his wife, the atrocities of that thief Mohammad and his scam are numerous.
Jesus on he other hand was so perfect that even your scam prophet believe Jesus is in heaven but does not know where he is going to.

Righthussle:
Na scam sacrifice. The more you look the less you see.

Nobody is laughing in hell, the devil has scammed you to believe that your only hope for salvation is a scam.