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gohf:
sir steep where is your response to this o 😊

John 1:1 said the word was God, that settles it.

Truthseeker10:
So where did you get your GOD in each person from?

It is used as an explanation of who God is.

gohf:
John.3.34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

1. So God gave God to God without measure? 😏

And when God was his second person he died and gave himself back to his first person God so that his third person can come.

God is not changing to different persons rather God has, is and will always be three persons.

2. So God changed Himself to three forms or He was always three forms. If He was always three forms so then why did He say only He is God? Why is God not differentiated anywhere in scripture as God the Father, God the Spirit why did He only reveal Himself has One God and even gave commandments in line with thay revelation?

So who is talking of forms of God.
When God says he only is God it is with respect to other gods.
The only true God is the father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Truthseeker10:
Does the Diagram show God in each person or it shows that God is Three persons simultaneously ?

It shows that God is three persons simultaneously.

Truthseeker10:
Oga....From the diagram, how can you explaim what the word 'GOD' mean? God is what according to the diagram?

God is a being or an essence that is tri personal. God in each person is completely God in every way.

gohf:
it's only you that understands english, infact you by yourself is dictionary.
But somehow you don't even understand how you went from writing godhood to personhod that is why you are responding like this because if you did and this is your response then you are deceiving yourself.

So your answer to the question , "when the man is a judge is he also teaching in the classroom, can he be all three at the same time? Is that God can be three people at the same time yes or no. Don't be cunny at least be straightforward for once.

God is three persons at the same time.

Truthseeker10:
.so you don't know what the word 'GOD' is made up of in the diagram?

In the diagram below it says each person is God not part of God but fully God.

Truthseeker10:
What does the diagram say form God?

Where does it talk about forming God?

gohf:
the question is, when the man is a judge is he also teaching in the classroom, can he be all three at the same time?


You guys have gone from Godhood to personhod. Okay so they are all the same person?
Tagging: Truthseeker10

That is why is God is God, he is beyond man.


Gone from Godhood to personhood you cannot understand English?
Godhood- the state of being God
Personhood- the state of being a person.

Truthseeker10:
I never said the father is the son.

how many persons form the one word 'GOD' according to the diagram?

Does the diagram tell you it is the persons that forms God?

Truthseeker10:
So according to the diagram, The father, the son, and the Holy Spirit do not make up one word 'God'? If yes, what makes up the one word 'GOD' that is in the middle of the diagram?

The diagram is clear, it says that God is the father, God is the Son and God is the holy ghost but however the father is not the Son neither the Son the holy ghost. Like saying the man is the teacher, judge, and father but father is not the same as teacher neither the same as judge. In the case of Trinity we are not talking of positions or offices but rather personhood.

Truthseeker10:
What is the meaning of the word 'GOD' that is in the middle of the diagram?

How many persons combine to form the word one 'GOD' in the middle of the diagram?

you are still not getting it, if a Man is a doctor, a father and a teacher does that mean doctor, father and teacher are what makes up that man? I am not saying that is what what the Trinity is, but just as you cannot say a man that is in different positions or offices is made up of those office or position so also, the father, Son, and holy spirit are persond of the one God.

Truthseeker10:
The diagram is clear. GOD consist of three Persons (the Father, the son, the holy spirit) simultaneously. The three persons combine simultaneously to form the word 'GOD'. The diagram shows that there cannot be a 'GOD' without the three persons combining.

No, the did not say that the father, Son and Holy Spirit are parts of God. Rather the father is God, the Spirit is God and the Son is God.

Truthseeker10:
Oga look at the diagram again. THE word GOD refers to three persons(The Father, the son, the holy spirit), while the three persons refer to one word 'GOD'. YOU cannot say that the FATHER IS 'GOD' in Isolation of the Son and the Holy Spirit because they are partakers of that word 'GOD'.

signs, you get it all wrong, persons do not mean parts of God.
It is not forms of God or parts of God.

Truthseeker10:
The diagram clearly shows the meaning of the word GOD. The word GOD cannot exist without the combination of three persons(father, son, holy spirit).

Nope it says no such thing.

MaxInDHouse:
Didn't Jesus also say he REFLECTS the light of his father? John 5:30

John 5: 30 say no such thing.

Truthseeker10:
There is nothing to read slowly about.
Below in the screenshot is the diagram of the Trinity.
You can clearly see that three separate persons(The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit) Have one essence (God) in the middle of the diagram.

So how can John 1:1 tell you that GOD(essence) in the middle of the diagram is with THE GOD(essence) also in the middle of the diagram. Does that not Show that the essence Of GOD is separate from the ESSENCE of THE GOD? So why are you arguing that GOD and THE GOD have the same essence or nature?

In that diagram you are seeing one God at the middle are you not?
So where does the three God essences come from?
God is one but shared by three persons, so each person could properly be called God.
The father is God, The Son is God and The Holy Spirit is God all have same essence, they are same being buy different persons.

MaxInDHouse:
You are the LIGHT! Matthew 5:14

Are Jesus' disciples Gods?

Jesus is the true light. Jesus' disciples reflect the light of christ.

gohf:
Even the person that wrote ho theos phos estin didn't declare that Jesus is God, you obviously don't and refuse to know nor learn the difference between theon and theos

John said God is light.

Of course I knew you would leave everything I wrote and mention 1 John 1:5 even without looking at the context of what John was writing but he isn't the first person to refer to God has light
Ps.84.11 - For the LORD God is our light and protector. He gives us grace and glory. No good thing will the LORD withhold from those who do what is right.
Note that other versions may use God is a sun and shield and maybe people like you then would read that and start bowing to the sun. Forgetting the very commandments of God.

You get plenty wahalla, so God is light, you are the one that would take "God is the sun" literally.

Do you understand this verse in Revelations
Rev.21.23 - And the city has no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its light.

It only goes to show that Jesus is God.

2Cor.4.6 - For God, who said, "Let there be light in the darkness," has made us understand that this light is the brightness of the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ.

you omitted where he said God shined

Now this is where you shot yourself in the foot, because you imagined to yourself that I didn't know 1 John 1:5, you are talking about traps and reflectors when you are this blind

Listen, did you forget Jesus said in Matt.5.14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

so there isn't just three gods but at least more than four, well if we count the seven spirits of God plus at least 144,000 Hebrews there's at least according to your logic 144,009 God's 😀😁

That is to your confusion, I asked you who is Jesus then you quoted passages that said Jesus is the light forgetting that God is also called light and even Christians called light, you ended up contradicting yourself.

gohf:
Even the person that wrote ho theos phos estin didn't declare that Jesus is God, you obviously don't and refuse to know nor learn the difference between theon and theos

John said God is light, that is he describing who God is, meaning whoever can be described as light is God.

Of course I knew you would leave everything I wrote and mention 1 John 1:5 even without looking at the context of what John was writing but he isn't the first person to refer to God has light
Ps.84.11 - For the LORD God is our light and protector. He gives us grace and glory. No good thing will the LORD withhold from those who do what is right.
Note that other versions may use God is a sun and shield and maybe people like you then would read that and start bowing to the sun. Forgetting the very commandments of God.

You get plenty wahalla, so God is light, you are the one that would take "God is the sun" literally.

Do you understand this verse in Revelations
Rev.21.23 - And the city has no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its light.

It only goes to show that Jesus is God.

2Cor.4.6 - For God, who said, "Let there be light in the darkness," has made us understand that this light is the brightness of the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ.

you omitted where he said God shined

Now this is where you shot yourself in the foot, because you imagined to yourself that I didn't know 1 John 1:5, you are talking about traps and reflectors when you are this blind

Listen, did you forget Jesus said in Matt.5.14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

so there isn't just three gods but at least more than four, well if we count the seven spirits of God plus at least 144,000 Hebrews there's at least according to your logic 144,009 God's 😀😁

That is to your confusion, I asked you who is Jesus then you quoted passages that said Jesus is the light forgetting that God is also called light and even Christians called light, you ended up contradicting yourself.

gohf:
When agents of darkness listen to God's word so as to readjust their lies, it's amazing how instead of repeating they bury themselves deeper into their deception. What is coming out of you just defiles you continually

I see you have changed it from WAS God to is God

So do you now agree that John said Jesus was God?

Truthseeker10:
So Is THE GOD and GOD according to the text the same God or different God?


So is GOD nature one and the same with THE GOD nature? If yes, Explain John 1:18 use of the Word GOD.

you should go back to my previous reply and then read slowly.

Nachmonides:
I think the best thing is to hear what they have to say about John 1:1-14


Let's hear their own conclusion from reading the verses.

They are merely going to dance around it ad refuse to admit their inconsitence.

gohf:
John.1.4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
John.1.5 The light shines through the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.
John.1.6 God sent John the Baptist
John.1.7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.

John.9.5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

John.1.2 He was in the beginning with God.

Gen.1.3 - Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen.1.4 - And God saw that it was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness.


John.1.14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John.3.19 Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.


And the light he called day, Gen 1.5
Mal.4.5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

That Day has come and He will come again.

According of 1 John 1:5 God is light.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

So if God is light and Jesus is also light doesn't that tell you Jesus is God?
Remember Jesus is called the true light he is not a mere reflector but the very light himself which God.
See how you think you are cunning ended up setting yourself up.

Truthseeker10:
The word, was with God Does not show two persons according to your explanation. You are lying.

That is because you are ignorant of the Greek words used. The word translated as "with" literally means to be face to face, it is used to describe the position of one person in relation to another.

John 1:1 does not use personhood(father and son). It uses the word God(being) and 'WORD' according to your explanation.

The structure of the text dictates it.
First the word was with The God secondly the word was God.

So is the first God(being) that the WORD was with the same as the 'WORD that was God(being)'?

you are confusing yourself, there is a difference between being and person. The word is God by his nature but with The God as to his position of his person.

Truthseeker10:
John 1:1 does not mention father or son which signifies personhood according to your explanation.
Simple question.
Is Jesus the same God that John 1:1 says that he was with?

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Is John 1:1 talking about two Gods or One and the same God?

The word was with God shows there are two persons, The word was God shows that the word is of same being with the one he is with.

Truthseeker10:
Is Jesus the same God that John 1:1 says that he was with?

You have to understand that the jews generally understand the father to be God but however John 1:1 is linking Jesus to the father, by the declaring the the word is God John is saying hat the word is of the same being with the one who is God but distinct from him in person hence he is God as to his being but with God as per his pershood.

gohf:
The context of John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (NIV)

No human has seen the Father except for this human who came from God, who is the Father or which other God did Jesus reveal? Himself?

There's a question someone asked, did God or a man die on the cross? could you answer that, seeing as you believe Jesus is God, so did God die on a stake or cross, was God killed by crucifixion?

So was Jesus a human in heaven or he was God?
When did he become a human? Before he becam human what was he?
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gohf:
When you don't know the answer don't answer from two sides of your mouth, "figuratively or literally" your saying "figuratively although also true literally."

There is nothing figuratively about Jesus seeing the Father

It's figuratively for Moses to speak face to face to God when all he saw was the back, it's figuratively for Job to say now I see God when all he experienced was God speaking from a whirlwind, etc etc etc.


Of all the men that lived only one had actually seen God, and that man is Jesus Christ and he revealed who the Father is.

after ignoring John 1v1.
John 1 vv1 says Jesus is God, you are only living in denial.

Truthseeker10:
What is the meaning of the word 'being', do you mean 'God'?

Being means existence, substance, essence, the stuff something is, without any discontinuity.

Truthseeker10:
So do you agree that Jesus is seperate from the 'God' that is the 'father' that no one has seen?

According to John 6:46, has the Holy Spirit seen the 'God' that is the 'Father'?

New King James Version
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

Jesus is separate from the Father in pershood but one with the father in being.
The context is about human.
Again context is about humans coming into relationship with God