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SpyMaster1:
I’m re-reading ecclesiasties now and a question I had a while came back up. I just read what he said in chapter 2

“Nothing is better for a man than that he should eat and drink, that his soul should enjoy good from his labor”.

This kind of seems to be against what some Christian’s would say . Wouldn’t the best thing for a man to do is to be with God and live for God, instead of eating and drinking? Also it does kind of seems like Solomon didn’t really follow or believe in the idea of Heaven. So is this book meant to guide us or to give us insight?

Ecclesiastes is generally speaking of life outside of God as meaningless.
It is a very powerful book, without God, life would have no meaning, the best would be to just eat and drink and be merry but previously he already said he did that but at the end he couldn't get true satisfaction it was all meaningless and at the end he said fearing God and keeping his commanment is mankind true duty.
That he wrote the book of ecclesiastics towrds the end of his life is an indication that Solomon repented.

Petalss:
There is indeed historical recognition from the Catholic Church, including various popes, of Islam's connection to the Abrahamic faith tradition. Here are some examples:

1. Pope Paul VI - Vatican II (Nostra Aetate, 1965): In this landmark document, Nostra Aetate, the Catholic Church officially acknowledged Islam's shared heritage with Christianity and Judaism, recognizing Muslims' worship of the same God as Christians. It states: "The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistence, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth."This reflects the Church’s acknowledgment that Islam is a monotheistic religion that traces its roots to Abraham, thus linking it to the broader Abrahamic tradition.

2. Pope John Paul II: Pope John Paul II emphasized respect and dialogue between Christians and Muslims throughout his papacy. During his visit to Damascus in 2001, he spoke at the Umayyad Mosque and reaffirmed the shared belief in one God: "Christians and Muslims, we meet one another in faith in the one God, our Creator, our Guide, our Just Judge."His efforts toward interfaith dialogue reinforced the Church’s understanding that Muslims worship the same God as Christians.

3. Pope Francis: In recent years, Pope Francis has consistently spoken about the shared Abrahamic roots of Christianity and Islam. During his visit to Abu Dhabi in 2019, he co-signed the Document on Human Fraternity with the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, which affirmed: "We, who believe in God and in the final meeting with Him and His judgment, based on our religious and moral responsibility, and through this Document, call upon ourselves, upon the leaders of the world as well as the architects of international policy and world economy, to work strenuously to spread the culture of tolerance and of living together in peace."

The Roman catholic church or the pope or any other church is not that authority on Christianity, The Bible is the authority and standard.

gohf:
changing which question, oga stop hiding under false pretext.

I have read some of your responses and you either do not know the Holy Spirit not to speak of having him in your life.

The spirit in you is a lying spirit deceiving you. May God have mercy on you.

AntiChristian:
This is contrary to Qur'an 19:30 where Jesus is the slave of Allah!

This is also contrary to Al-Maidah: 110 where Allah questions Jesus on ressurection day asking him if he told people to worship him and his mother as gods!

Al-Maidah:75
Allah says: The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).

It is petals that said Allah is the same the christian God but the Jesus is the Christian God.

Petalss:
1. Jews is not a religion, Judaism is.

2. It is partially true, in the sense that mainstream Judaism does not accept belief in Jesus as compatible with Jewish faith. Traditional Jewish teachings do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah or a divine figure. However, some individuals may identify ethnically as Jewish while holding religious beliefs that fall outside the traditional boundaries of Judaism.

Any religion that reject the deity of christ, his humanity, his finished works on the cross is antichrist that includes the Jewish religion. In Christianity salvation is not in a system but in a person which is christ. Abraham, or Moses or Elijah is not the central figure of Christianity but christ hence it is called [b]CHRIST[/b]inanity not abrahaminity or mosesitnity.

3. This part reflects a Christian theological perspective but is not universally accepted across all faiths. Trinitarian Christians view Unitarians as different from their own beliefs, as Unitarians reject the doctrine of the trinity and vice versa

You can't be a Christian if you reject the diety of christ jehovah witness or other unitarians are not Christianity.
Christianity is based on the christ ( his person, nature, position and works) not on Abraham or any other.

And by the way there is nothing Abrahmic about Islam. Islam is complete thrash Allah is actually a devil. You blaspheme God by equating him to a demon.

Petalss:
Like the Jews and the Jehovah witnesses?

jews is not a religion, not all jews reject christ.
Anybody, system or religion that rejects that Jesus is God in the flesh is n antichrist.

Petalss:
Very good.

But does that change the fact that the God of those who believe Jesus is God is the same as the God of those who do not believe Jesus is God?

Jesus is their God, how about telling antichristian that Allah is the same as Jesus, the God of Christians?

Petalss:
Who denies that Jesus is God will be called what?

who denies that Jesus is God who came the human form is an antichrist.

njelrapheal:
but the oP is saying that what you are quotting is already distorted.

anybody can say anything what matters are the evidence. Evidence points to the fact that the four books of the Bible a true historical records, Jesus truly exists and he died and rose again by this Jesus showed he is reliable and his words are true.

Kvarachi:
Good evening good people of this great house,
It's your commercial bus driver again.
Now let me go into the meat of the topic:
Without mincing words and without caring whose ox is gored, I'm saying this with my full chest and I don't care what you may say to me.
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Anybody who bcus of one religion or the other thinks this world will end one day is not only deceiving he or herself but also selfish and wicked.
How can you be born and raised from the cradle to adulthood and even to old age and you come out to tell people that the world will soon end. After enjoying many things as a child to your adulthood and maybe still enjoying and you now thinks or wants the world to end.
So the children born today won't grow too just like you did abi? You don't want them to enjoy what you enjoyed abi? You don't want them to give birth to their own babies and see their grandchildren too abi?
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So now tell me, if today's children will grow and have their own children and childrens children, how is the world going to end?
Don't you think the circle continues.
If your direct parents or grand parents or great grand parents or great great grand parents had wished for that and it happens, will you have been born today?
How selfish and wicked can you be to the new generations for saying the world will end one day.
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My final submission, it's inevitable that each and everyone of us reading this will surely die one day or someday. I want to assure you all, the day that happens is the day that particular persons worlds came to an end not everybody's world.
The only thing requires from us while on earth is to do good and great things so that your name will be remembered in the sands of time.
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I rest my case!

This is ignorance even scientific evidence says the universe would end but it would take an incredible amount of time that is because the energy the universe is using is running out. It is like a man using generator and expecting the fuel inside to last forever where is the sense in that? So somebody that tells you the fuel would finish becomes his enemy and given manner of names, that is what people like you are doing yet claim to be smart just like atheists here thinking the universe has no beginning or end even when scientific evidence says otherwise.

If you like recite the bible hundred times, if you don't put your faith in Jesus christ as your Lord and saviour, you are going to hell.

The one world religion that petals is trying to peddle would accept every other religion but reject the deity of christ and the work of christ on the cross.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Petalss:
Same way the Christian God = Jesus is different from the True Christian God ≠ Jesus.

now you are denying that Jesus is God, because you know without doing that it won't fit into your narrative that Islamic god and Christian God are the same, so you had to reject the Christian God.

Petalss:
Same way the Christian God = Jesus is different from the True Christian God ≠ Jesus.

Jesus is God, no amount of rant can change evidence and history

AntiChristian:
Why did God send his son to die?

There could have been other options, who choose death for the son?

To take the place of guilty humans so they don't get condemned.

Petalss:
I never claimed that all religions worship the same God. What I specifically stated is that Muslims, Christians, and Jews worship the same God.
While you may disagree with this, the reality is that these three faiths all call upon the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Moses.
These religious traditions share a common foundation in their belief in the one God who revealed Himself through these figures central to their faiths.

Jesus is the central figure of Christianity not Abraham. The reality is the Islamic God and Christian God are not the same.

While the three religions differ in their theology and practices, they share a belief in the same God as the God of Abraham. The distinction arises more in how they understand God's nature and relationship with humanity.

It seems you don't know the meaning of theology. The analogy I gave to you, already answered you.

Petalss:
I am now asking you, are they the same or not?

I have to know if the description of their God fit with the bible, hence I can't answer.

Petalss:
Glory be to God, we do not drink God.
Now answering your question, any milk that has toxic smell is not a milk. And I will not drink because of the toxic smell

you have answered right, meaning ignoring warnings and differences especially when it involves lif is not wise, how much more things that can determine your eternal state.
Saying all religion have the same God is like a man ignoring the warning and instead claims all withe liquid is milk.

Petalss:
Permit me to disagree with your analogy. I'm sorry I don't even understand it.

Simple if someone gave you a poison that looks like milk but has a toxic smell, but he tells you it is milks even though it is written on the label that it is poison but he tells you it's just difference in perspective would you drink it?

elated177:
Steep, what is(are) the core identity(ies) of God?

core attributes of God are truth, justice, righteousness, love, holiness, goodness.

Petalss:
Is the God of Adebayo different from the God of Chosen or the God of Oyedepo?

If their God is not the God revealed in the bible then no it is a different God.

Petalss:
I’m not personally familiar with the beliefs of Satanists, maybe you are familiar with them sha.
Did they specifically identify this figure(Devil) as the same God worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, and Moses, or is there a distinction in their beliefs?

If someone mixes poison that looks like milk and gives you to drink though it smells toxic, would you drink it because somebody told that whither milk or poison it is all the same providd they have same color, it doesn't matter it depends on the perspective you view it, would you accept to drink it.

Kingsempires:
like I said na different Ideology curse am

It is serious, having the wrong God means believing in a lie, which has eternal an eternal consequence.

Petalss:
You're overlooking the fact that, despite the various interpretations and attributes different individuals may assign to God, the God worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, and Moses remains the same. The core identity and essence of this deity do not change based on personal perspectives or differing beliefs.

Whether you describe him as having a wife, a son, or a mother, or whether you refer to him as embodying the 3 in 1 or being 1 in 3, the essential truth remains unchanged. He is still the God worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, and Moses. This is the same God whom Jews, Christians, and Muslims call upon. Despite the different ways of understanding or describing him, his fundamental nature remains consistent.

Satanists believe the devil is the one true God so based on your interpretation your God and that of Satanist are the same just different interpretations.
If I ask you what are the core identity of God you may not be able to answer.

AntiChristian:
Allah destined it.

But you commit the crimes!

I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, YHWH, do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

Is Yahweh also the culprit here?

Use your brain bro!

when has calamity and prosperity become moral good and evil?
It is allah that destined people to do crimes now why blame the criminals for what Allah has destined.

AntiChristian:
More foolishness! Please go and get sense!
Everything is predestined in Islam!

Even if i show you in the Qur'an will you believe it?

Abeg!

hahaha, so allah is responsible for all he evils in the world shaytan is just a puppete predestined by allah, allah is the real culprit.

Kingsempires:
Christian, Muslim, Jewish all worship that same God but all have different Ideology about God .even Hinduism that is a polytheistic religion worships Almighty God (brahma)

also include satanist who worship Satan as the one god.
Anybody that claims he is worshiping one God you assume it must be the same with the Christian God.
How can allah who doesn't have a son, be the same God of Christians who have a son?

AntiChristian:
You are bring in more lies! The Yorubas and Arabs do not have such believes!
It is simply for respect!

A kid will use "They" for one elder as used for many persons in Yoruba! No ancestor is involved!

Yes, in Yoruba culture and religion, it is believed that the ancestors (known as **Egungun**) and the gods or deities (known as **Orishas**) play significant roles in guiding the living, especially in decision-making.

The ancestors, who are revered and honored through rituals, are thought to continue to have a presence in the lives of their descendants. They are believed to provide protection, guidance, and blessings, and are often consulted during important family or community decisions.

The Orishas, on the other hand, are powerful deities representing various aspects of nature and life (such as Ogun for war and iron, or Sango for thunder and lightning). They act as intermediaries between the Supreme Being (**Olodumare**) and humans. In many cases, decisions are made after consulting these deities, often through divination practices like **Ifá**.

Both the ancestors and the Orishas are believed to work together, influencing the course of events and ensuring harmony between the spiritual and physical worlds.

Yes, the use of the "Royal We" when greeting elders in Yoruba culture reflects deep respect and reverence, rooted in the belief that elders are connected to both the living and the spiritual realms, including ancestors and the gods. The Yoruba people believe that elders carry the wisdom and experience of those who came before them, and their guidance is seen as divinely inspired.

In Yoruba language and culture, plural pronouns and honorifics are used when addressing elders to show respect, acknowledging not only the individual but also their connection to the family lineage, ancestors, and the community. This form of address reinforces the idea that elders are embodiments of ancestral knowledge and have a special role in maintaining spiritual and social order.

In essence, by using the "Royal We," younger people are recognizing the authority, spiritual significance, and the collective wisdom of their elders, which is believed to be influenced by both the gods (Orishas) and ancestors (Egungun).

Ojuntana:
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Just like for example, some says red means danger without knowing why red is taking to represent danger.

This is even worse. This is a pure case of dogmatic fallacy. Ascribing something you can't prove as explanation for behaviours of your divine being shows you do not even know what you are worshipping.

exactly they can't see the irony. How can a god claims absolute oneness, yet prefers using "we" to describe himself simply it is more honorable. That is allah is not honorable enough so he had to copy human behaviour of making himself seem more than one person to gain more respect.

Ojuntana:
That is the surprising thing about Muslims. They deride Christians are gullible whereas they are easily the most gullible people on earth. They neither interrogate concepts nor demand explanations in their religion but just swallow whatever is told to them. Yet they believe they are better off than Christians who have interrogated almost all aspects of their religion
Imagine using English to explain Arabic when both languages do not have any cultural nor historical ties or interaction. In Europe of the Middle Ages, the King was synonymous to the state. That's why Louis XIV famously said "L'etat moi" interpreted as "I am the state".
What most of them do not know is that majority of pre-Islamic Arab civilisation was wiped of by the Islamists in their quest to conquer Arabia for themselves. The kings in pre-Islamic Arab was not hereditary as we have now. It was more of an Eldership position. Thus the rulers were mostly old and aged people. So it is very possible they used respectable language for them based on their age and not necessarily because they were royalty.
It is obvious from all accounts that Muhammad was not a perfect man. It is obvious he borrowed existing myths, cultures and traditions and inculcated it into Islam. It is obvious he committed multiple atrocities. But this guys will leave all that and start making snide remarks about Christians and Christianity. Even if you think Muhammad is a prophet, it should not blind you to his mistakes and misdemeanours. To claim Muhammad is the most perfect man is the height of buffoonery and gullibility.

Islam has totally corrupted Arabic culture. Even the language was affected by Islam.

Ojuntana:
An individual representing a group

There is no known language where an individual representing himself alone will use "We" to refer to himself. Your reference to English is totally out of point as I already proved. A sovereign is an embodiment of the state. Anything a sovereign does is as if the state does it. That's why a sovereign can send his country to war and the whole country weay "We are at war" not "The King (or President) is at war

Just like for example, some says red means danger without knowing why red is taking to represent danger.

Petalss:
I respectfully disagree, but I'll leave the discussion afterwards.

The use of "We" in the Qur'an is a way to show respect and majesty, not to suggest that Allah is more than one. It's like when a king or queen says "we" to show authority, but they are still just one person. In Islam, Allah is one, and using "We" emphasizes His greatness, not plurality.

Go an research the etymology of royal we or why they use it.
Allah is one what? Do you know that the word "one" as used in Arabic is "ahad" guess what ahad means unity of many things.

Hahaha Allah don enter problem, so the use of a plural "we" is more authoritative than singular "I", I don't disagree with it, but I am telling why it is considered so.