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mbatuku2:
My awori friend, it's best you dont take anything personal.

Igbos and Aworis for life

Lol

I don't really take things personal on this site anyway. Igbos and Yorubas for life is much better my friend.

Ngodigha:
Bingo, stop running your smelly mouth here. Your brother impregnated a mad woman and your hear chatting crap. Go and screw the remaining mad women in your locality, idiott.

I thought you were responsible and thus you do not engage in tribalism but I guess I was wrong.

@ Other igbos

What is the point of all this hate you all have for yorubas?. What do you aim to achieve.

Are their no awori people on here

Causes of Awori Migrations
Awori migration to coastal Yorubaland especially to the region of Lagos state was induced by political, economic, social and spiritual factors. These factors could be discussed under the sociological “Push” and “pull” factors of migration.
Ife Migrations
The most common important migrations from Ile-Ife ever recorded from the period of Oduduwa dynasty was the one associated with the dispersal Oduduwa’s children. Akinjogbin and Ayandele (1980) recorded:

When Oduduwa was old and blind, his children were called together and ordered to go and found their own kingdoms and each was given a royal symbol. During this period, Ile-Ife was hit by a prolonged drought which lasted for many years, causing faming and diseases. Finally Agirilogbon, a babalawo of Oke-Itase in Ile-Ife, counseled emigration.

According to tradition, the children went northwards and southwards. Those who went south eastwards finally settled at Ado, Owo and Benin. In addition, some of the migrants had a change of rulers in their new homes. The date of this emigration is still a subject of academic controversy. However, it is clear that it was not later than 11th century A.D. It is also difficult to know how many kingdoms resulted from this exercise. As new kingdoms grew out of the old ones, descent from Oduduwa became the test of legitimacy among the old new kingdoms.

From this period of Oduduwa, migrations out of Ile-Ife became a permanent feature of the kingdom, Migrations also took place during the reign of Ooni Luwo who was a female ruler. Luwo was considered a disciplinarian and her rulership did not go down well with the people which led to migration. Also, the success of Lajamisan, a rich Ife bead trader to the Ooniship created political crisis which was some migrations. In addition, the deposition of Ogboru, a descendant of Lajamisan, who was barnish to Ife Odan for reigning too long but more probably for cruelty, led to emigration. Migrations southwards continued till the end of 19th century. These early southward migrant were the founders of Ife-Awori settlements in Lagos state.

Early migrations to the region of Lagos were political and economic in nature. For instance, Ogunfunminire the founder of Isheri and most other migrants from Ile-Ife were farmers. It was in the course of hunting expedition that some of them finally journeyed to Lagos. But the fact that some of the migrants were not alone but in groups, suggests political organizations which could be explained in terms of inland internal political crisis and population pressure. Before migrating to Isheri, Ogunfunminire consulted Ifa oracle which counseled migration. One of the traditions suggests that Ogunfunminir and his friend Adeyemi Onikoyi left their homes on a hunting expedition and overstayed, thereby absenting themselves from the funeral of their father. Their relation thinking them dead, put their junior brother on the throne and this annoyed the two powerful princes, when they arrived. However, they were afraid of the great damage they might cause if they decided to fight, hence Olofin took the calabash which was willed to him by his late father. The tradition continued that he followed the movement of the ritual pot placed on water until it sank and they settled in the region.

Another tradition pointed out that Adeyemi Aole Onikoyi of Lagos, was given in the will of their father, a crown of beads, Ifa oracle Olokun deity, Awo Opa, Osugbo, and the gods of his father Lakaba. On getting to Isheri, Adeyemi consulted Olokun the goddess of the ocean, which counseled another migration for him, and he moved until he got to Ikoyi. He passed through Okepa, Moba and Ajiran, he finally named his settlement Ikoyi after Ikoyi Ile in Igbeti, it would appear that it was political disorder that led to the migration of these people.

The Benin soldiers soon bombarded the Isheri settlement. One account suggests that the Olofin was once captured and taken to Benin before he was later sent back only to his Benin resistance. Until the arrival of Aseru, a Benin warrior who made social alliance with Ashipa from Ijebu-Ibefun that should he die, his corpse should be taken back to Benin. Asipa did this to the pleasures of Oba of Benin, who presented him with keresimesi –tophat, cowries, beads and a woman. Before the arrival Ashipa Ogunfunminire had moved to Iddo and shared the lagoon islands with his children. Ashipa and his sons Ado and Gabaro settled in Isheri, iddo, isale Eko. Gabaro eventually accepted the children of Ogunfunminire such as Aromire, Oluwa, Onisiwo, Ojoro, Oloto, Onitana, Olumegbon and his friends Onikoyi, Oniru, and Elegusi. The marriage of Ashipa with a Beninwoman and the settlement of other Benin warriors laid a permanent Benin imprint on the character of Lagos.

The history of ‘push’ factor in the migrations of the Yoruba – southwards and the Awori to the region of modern day Lagos state is of antiquity. Rather than succumb to hostile neighbours and insurmountable natural forces the earlier settler to choose to migrate from their usual homes to new areas. One of the recorded Oluwo-nla (Obanikoro) traditions of origin relates that Oluwo nla migrated from Benin after causing some damages until Oba of Benin recalled him home. The Porto-Novo colonies founded by Benin warriors were threw asunder by hostile and more powerful aggressors hence, the people migrated to the region of Ologe lagoon and sea shore sides, and never to return to their original homes that were threatened by Dahomean invations, as to return home would be to risk their lives and properties, and to voluntarily send themselves to servidtude in the hands of the Egun and Aja. Thus, having been forcibly displaced from home, the new settlers were forced to seek an area which offered a natural protection and restively peaceful. Undoubtedly, the existence of numerous creeks, swamps, lagoons, Island and exposure to the forest zone and sea, offered them the needed protection. These migrations could be called ‘forced’ or ‘impelled’ migrations as the only logical choice opened to the migrants was to leave. This voluntary or induced migration is accounted for by the existence of many early Awori village settlements some of which are now town settlements. In the relationship between Ojo and Iba, Ojo tradition has it that Iba people were ejected from their early settlement near Ojo.


Also voluntary movements of adventurous pioneers and dissident individuals through interaction with former homes led to chains of migration among the Lagos State Awori. This was often the result of strong attractions to an area as might partly be exerted by letters in recent times, signs and symbols or messages in the earlier period to friends and relatives back home. The economic advantage of the land occupied by the Awori of Lagos in terms of fishes, crabs, moluscs, coconuts, adequate rainfall and conducive temperature, accessibility through inland water ways became a pull factor in later migrations among the Awori.

Awori country in general is made up of countries of varieties of Awori sub-groups. Some of which have no direct migratory history with Ile-Ife and whose sentimental attachment to Oduduwa and Awori cultural values is a product of cultural adaptation and secondary affinity. The bulk of the Awori kingdoms in Lagos State are products of mixed breed as they considerably intermarried with the Egun, Ilaje, Egba, Brazilian, Sierrialeoneans and other groups. Some of the Awori communities are product of many layers of migrations, while affinal relationship, need for political independence and prosperity in economic activities often induced most of the migrations.

In the early migrations, opportunities for game, the relative peace of coastal region at the period when political antagonism and social disorder basseted the interior Yorubaland, the way out for the Awori that were looking for peace and security was to escape to Lagos. Also, barrier to island for example, Lagos Ido and Topo provided suitable and easy defensive sites for the early growth of settlements. The surrounding creeks and swamps of Lagos lagoon offered natural protection for peace loving migrants and criminal escaping from justice. In the era of trans Atlantic slave trade, it served as a viable depot for Awori slave dealers and raiders. In the 20th century, the pull effect of the city life and the push effects of the rural life sustained migrations of not only the Awori but Egun, Ilaje, Ikale, Edo, Ibo, Hausa, Fulani, Egba,etc. to Lagos state which is the smallest and the most densely populated state in Nigeria.

Migrations of the Awori and other groups to the coastal Yorubaland produced a complex cultural values for instance, when migrants of diverse cultural backgrounds are assimilated into a new society they also contribute to the dominant culture like Bini and the Awori-Yoruba in Lagos and Ogun depended on the migrants ability to adjust and on the receiving society’s degree of socialization process.

The movement of the Ijo, Ikale, Ilaje, Bini, Awori, Egun, Oyo-Yoruba, Ijebu and Egba at different times to settle in the region of Lagos state produced cultural diffusion and partly accounted for a variant of Yoruba uniform culture among most Ijebu and Awori settlements of Lagos State. For instance, the institution of Obaship and palace organization, festivals and ritual practices are common among the Awori kingdoms while the Bini insignia or political materials feature among some Awori kingdoms. Also, migrants from Ife, Benin or other Yoruba towns of the hinterland carried beaded crowns, white cap and keresimesi as well as other paraphernalia of office to their new homes while others imported these materials after they have acquired political authority in their new abode.

It is difficult to date in absolute term when migration first began towards the region of Lagos State. For instance, the Awori settlement in some communities constitute the final phase of series of settlements that were earlier made in the process of migration from the interior. Iba people for instance, settled in other two places within the same geographical area before finally settling down in their present abode. Literature show that the earliest migrations might have been around the 15th century A.D.

It should be noted that centralized socio-political organization in coastal Yorubaland started with the arrival of the Awori and later Ijebu sub group, while the early movement of Ijo, Ijale and Bini fishermen were predatory in nature. This political centralization was not totally devoid of Benin influence. The overall Awori and Ijebu cultures today is an amalgam of cultures. The heterogencity of origins of Lagos State aboriginal inhabitants and the influence of migrants such as the Ilaje, Ikaje, Ijo, Edo, Egba and later Ibo, Hausa, Kita, Sirrealeoneans, Brazilians, Cubans, and Europeans has partly led to the erroneous idea of Lagos description as “no man’s land.’ Whatever be the extent of external influence, no authentic or adequate history of Lagos State can be written reference to the Awori, Ijebu and Ogu (Egun).

http://cefolassaocoed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64&Itemid=72&showall=1

Please people let him do it first of all before you all start praising him. God will let him see this through.

step1---Lagos and Yoruba

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=672465.msg8368157#msg8368157 date=1306008390]As should be clear, I don't care if the SW retains the position or not. What I oppose is us giving it away for free. There was an agreement reached before the election, was there not? If you want to change the parameters of this decision, then those negatively affected by it must be compensated.

Simple as that.

I cannot use fear of the North wanting to divide the South (as if there ever has been a political south ) to give away my zone's rights for free. At least sell the rights off for the proverbial pottage [/quote]There can not be any deal with the SE because they have nothing to offer the SW, it is very simple. I don't want to go into details but first can you suggest what you want from the party or SE for the seat of the speaker.

There are two things here for the SW/SE and Nigeria

1 I believe the SW should take this position since in Nigeria every region is looking after its interest

2 The SW should not take the position since the north just want to divide the South by putting a SW speaker

@ekt_bear

I really think you should think of option (2) properly. Getting this position has not benefit what-so-ever to the progress of SW. Onlytruth is making a lot of sense.

GODSON2009:
what exactly have the yorubas gained by occupying relevant posts in the past till the present political dispensation an obasanjo? a dimeji bankole?
let us drop sentiments and logically look at issues personally acn is what the nation need right now because they will play a crucial role in neutralising any overbearing influence of the pdp.
if you dont care about merit,do you care if the holders of the position gives the electorate the dividents of democracy?

We know but to this is not Odudua nation but Nigeria. Nigeria is a nation made up of different nations including ours. Please lets think here.

Gbawe:
Are you serious ? Is this how some of you think Nigeria is run ?  With base and visceral feudalism ? Look , we should be looking forward to modern practices and ideals if Nigeria is to grow and thrive . This base desire for federal relevance is at odd with the path Nigeria must travel towards . We have no choice but to evolve or disintegrate !!!

If you truly understand and respect how the people of the SW themselves [/b]voted , by taking off your PDP goggles and assimilating the big picture, you will understand that federal relevance that has translated into nothing for the past 12 years is so yesterday. there is too much unfairness in Nigeria especially skewed against ordinary Nigerians with no money or influence .

Some of you should study some of the sophisticated models of Governance that exist worldwide to note that we are still at the bottom rung as far as productive and equitable politics that caters for all members of society is concerned. The SW has set the ball rolling with the type of precedence that , hopefully , will see all of Nigeria understand the need to use local powers to devolve power away from a highly callous and [b]self-serving centre full of AGIPs who ensure , one Government to the next , that federal appointments and arrangements only benefit the "owners of Nigeria" who have taken the oath to keep things "business as usual" for a few.

Gbawe, I am not disagreeing with your ideology of regional development. All I am saying is that we need to look inward whether we want a one state party being controlled by Tinubu of which Awolowo did not even do such. Even some of our PDP members voted for ACN in Lagos including my family. Now the point I am trying to make is that we should not be too relaxed to the extent of not making one of our own to be part of the people in the national stage.

Nigeria has not evolved up to the SW, politically. Not taking a glorious opportunity would amount to us being silly in this jungle called Nigeria. Even if it is OBJ himself, let him be there Omo wa ni, o won ni kan lo le se. E fi se be.

To Gbawe

I follow your plead but you are not think right here. Everything is not ACN, there are people like me that support PDP in the SW.

To all yorubas

Please think of this properly, we are one of the largest ethnic group in Nigeria. Once we loss the speaker seat, we would be relegated from federal funds or federal presence. All ACN supporters needs to support one of ours if we are to remain relevant in this geographical expression.

seyi42k:
I usually dont respond to these threads, I'd rather read. However, I felt I should make somethings clear.

1. All "Yorubas" have always felt pride in the achievement of each other. It is not unheard of to see a lagosian lauding an Ekiti man for coming from a state that produces highly intelligent people. Also, the Egbas (mind you I dont regard Obj as Yoruba as he is not a progressive) seem more politically savvy. In short, we are Yoruba Parapo.

2. I hail from Ondo State and I am not ashamed to state that if I have the opportunity I will take up Lagos citizenship as will a lot of Ibo men. Mind you, an Ibo man is a commissioner as well as a local government chairman in this state and there are a lot of ibo men in Lagos government.

3. While I much admire the enterprising nature of the Ibo man, I am appalled by his smartness, i.e. the first instinct of an average ibo trader/businessman is to cheat you even if he/she will get a better deal on the long run. This has contributed to the "me only attitude" which is displayed by their leaders to the detriment of the people.

4. Someone pointed out that, Yorubas do not have business in the east. Go and check any big business in the east, you will find the Yorubas in finance, accounting and engineering departments. This is as a simple result of the rate of education which means that though the Yoruba is not unnecessarily aggressive in commerce, he is highly educated and enlightened.

5. I believe everyone has contributed to the growth of Lagos. In fact, I will readily slap a fellow Yoruba man who tells me that I do not have a right to anything in Lagos as I would any other tribe. However, if not for the deliberate progressive nature of the Lagosian and in effect the Yoruba Man, our polity would not have gained in the kind of stride it recorded in this past election. The impact of the Tinubus and the Fasholas cannot be over-emphasized which when contrasted with Chris Ubas, the difference is quite clear and that was why ACN became the most improved political party in this last election.

Therefore, it does not matter where a Yoruba man is from, even in Brazil, He will feel pride in Lagos. As for the South South, do not be under the illusion that you have the monopoly of wealth, i.e Oil, in the country. Let everybody do a study of mineral resources in all parts of the country especially the North and you will be amazed.

In fact, Nigeria has up to 250 mineral resources in commercial quantity and we have not started on Agriculture. Bitumen has taken over farmlands in Ondo state.

In short guys, let every one of us go back to our states and demand that all these resources be developed, then you will see that an hausa man or a fulani or an ibo or deltan will not leave there region for any other region.

Phew, 

Well said

I have told them that Lagos is for all yorubas be it benin yoruba or kogi yoruba. It is a state that unites all yorubas and a state where we all we all yorubas speak 1 yoruba dialect. Any yoruba can claim omo eko so long as he comes to lagos. But we respect the igbo population of lagos and we are leaving as 1.
I hail from Lagos and I am an Awori man

dada la wa oo

iwon ko ?

omenala:
The truth of the matter is that if yorubas(and most nigerians) were not tribalistic it wouldn't be difficult for any one from any ethnic group to win an election in lagos, but instead you will be seen as an outsider and a threat. They would rather gang up against you and give the position to a notorious adedibu/tokyo type of human being, instead of a quiet spoken, law abiding polished igbo or delta man who has lived in the same street or community with them for decades, of whom they have solicited various favours from in the past. These nigerians have contributed immensly to thier neighborhoods(i.e security, tax & electricity). And yet some of them claim to be sophisticated, is this how sophisticated people act and reason? If so then its no big deal. Just call me a cave man!

Correct but Nigeria is not as it seems. In a good ideal society, an igbo or hausa man can be the governor of my state and it should not matter after all they are Nigerians like me. The truth of the matter is Nigeria is not one and by so one must protect his ethnic group from others. OPC, AREWA, MASSOB and MEND should not be in Nigeria if we are truly one but instead it is our so called leaders like Ciroma etc that are leading it. So long as there are this groups, it would be hard for someone of non-awori or non yoruba extract to rule lagos.

I understand where you are coming from given you have lived in lagos all your life and therefore you are a lagosian. Please I really hope you are not viewing this discussion as tribalism but that is the reality. Maybe one day it would happen but for now it is only in the hands of God. I hope one day a yoruba man can rule enugu or anambra, an igbo man can rule lagos ondo etc

omenala:
I was born (luth for that matter) and bred in lagos, i've spent more time in lagos than any other state even my state of origin but still i see myself as a lagosian and i intend to contest for an elective post in the future, any one who doesnt like it can boil stone chop! By the way did the earlier original settlers in lagos speak yoruba? [b]I doubt this cos i've listened to some indigenous lagosians speak and it doesnt sound anything like yoruba(sounds more ijaw), [/b]methinks yorubas are the ones trying to claim lagos. The idea that yorubas are the only true lagosians is silly and ridiculous, it makes me wonder if these nairalanders making these statements are enlightened adults at all. @ justcash u dey make sense jaare!

LOL

I heard that as well. Good luck with your contest and by the way yorubas are not trying to claim lagos. In lagos the only original occupants are eguns and awori and I happen to be an awori and we are not ijaws.

Before I leave, I would like to say something to SE people

- How is the position of the speaker going to improve the development of SE ?

- Blaming OBJ for your woes is comical and silly, OBJ cannot even control the SW PDP fraction not to talk of Jonathan

- OBJ is a necessary evil that is needed to maintain the power between the North and South. Without OBJ, the north will rule this country forever.

- Some of you people are calling Awolowo, and yoroobas etc I really do not see how it is relevant to the discussion in hand here. The SW populist have made it clear they are not interested in the position but GEJ saw it fit to give them so how is it the SW fault.

- The woes of the SE is there leaders and governors.

- GEJ is not SS and SE president, he is a Nigerian president and by all moral standard he will develop the country equally.

Gbawe:
Stop revising history in your effort to paint others as demons while holding yourself as virtuous saints and maligned victims. It is shameful, disgraceful and very unfair to others !!! The SNG that took to the street everyday for Jonathan to be sworn in is an SE movement ? Tunde Bakare is an Igbo man ?  Kayode Ogundamisi who , through his Nigeria Liberty forum, was motivating Nigerians to March in support of GEJ on the Streets of  London and New York is from the SE abi ?  Femi Falana and Wole Soyinka who joined protestors defending GEJ are from the SE also. When issues of equity and justice were concerned the SW has not been found wanting in comparison to anyone . Don't confuse the region not endorsing GEJ hook, line and sinker to mean "the West looked the other way". No region did more to fight in ensuring that Jonathan was made acting President.

I don't mind enthusiasm for one's region but you cross the line when you start bending reality and fabricating outright lies. This statement is an outright lie and all Nigerians know it : You should tell us who did the most to defend GEJ when it mattered most and when apathy was not an option such as when the Turai cabal were hellbent on frustrating Mr. President.

Ese egbon mi, Awon boys yi wo mo ikan kan.

It is sad and very very disturbing that at the age of this country, people still perfer to play ethnic politics than national development.

udezue:
I am with Vicenzo, Chyz, EzeUche,
Ndi-Igbo propelled GEJ to Presidency yet he can't reciprocate because he is playing it safe? If we are not worth the risk then he and his PDP aint worth the risk either. Its time that we as a people adopt a hardline attitude towards everything in Nigeria. We have compromised enough and if we have grind shyt to a halt then let's do it. U can't use and dump us. Not the new generation. Ndi-Igbo don't have to go to war but Ndi-Igbo don't have to weaklings at all. Yorooba politicians de-camped to A.C.N but they are not playing ethnic politics? BS let us play the game like the rest. We took a nationalistic approach by throwing our weight behind a man who I don't remember was really a part of any mainstream Igbo or Eastern group. All we know is that this fisher man was our Eastern brother and when the North tried to bully him only the SE stepped in. The SW sat on the fence yet he side tracks us so he can please the core North that even killed ppl just to show their displeasure and the West that looked the other way. I don't mind David Mark retaining his seat after all he has been doing well but GEJ could have done better.

Please respect yourself and respect the died. Who told you the west sat of the fence ?. My father and Bode worked there butt off for Jonathan presidency so what are you on about. You people do not know anything about the west or it's politics so it is best you do not talk on things you know nothing about. A total for 7 corp members die in the north, 4 out of them were from SW geopolitical zone. So why are you complaining, we deserve that post as much as the SE.

I keep asking :- WHY WAS POSITION OF THE SPEAKER ZONED TO THE SOUTH-WEST WHEN THEY DID NOT VOTE FOR PDP. Even as a south-westerner, I must say I am very surprise and disappointed at GEJ and PDP for such decision.

@OP

We in the SW do not want or care about the speaker seat. Please I am saying this so the South-easterners will not get the wrong idea. What SE should be looking at now is regional development.

[quote author=edo.girl link=topic=666128.msg8314591#msg8314591 date=1305304581]Agreed

1) A Lagos - Ibadan train line, that heads westward instead of northward, will not be viable. How will it?. If you take the north-bound trucks off the Lagos - Ibadan motorway for example, traffic on the motorway will be sparse. There's simply no demand, or urgent need for an alternative way of moving goods or people between Lagos and Ibadan. So, who will the train line heading solely westward (instead of northward) from Lagos serve?

2) Re your second point, where are these great 'population centres,' you referred to other than Ibadan? And what level of economic activities exit in these places? Ilesha, Akure, Ife, Ado-Ekiti, Oshogbo are small towns whose economies depend largely on civil service salaries, subsistence farming, and small-shop buy & sell businesses. Where is this great & urgent need to connect these towns by trains?

And how can you embark on a massive project of this type on the basis that it will be economically viable 'at some point in the future.' You mean 10, 20, perhaps 50yrs?
Please tell me of a bank in California where you are that will lend me just USD100k on the back of a promise that my proposed venture will be economically viable sometime in a vague future. If you can find one, I will get a ticket tonight & be in the US next week.

Like Gekko said, lets start with the basics. Most of our people in this country cant afford more than a meal a day - the last thing they need now is yet another expensive folly from politicians.[/quote]Your analysis is quite interesting and correct. Personally, I don't think transportation is the first thing we need in yorubaland. What we need is to improve out agricultural sector which would inturn provide jobs and food for the people. Once this is done, we have to look for a cheap reliable source of electricity which would inturn improve the business sector and the productivity of the land.

The points stated above are to be our foundation in this developmental train. From this, others infrastructures can follow.

yarodin:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, action speaks louder than words, una sabi that song?

We yorubas just don't talk, we do as well. Watch how the following years would plan out.

At op

Lagos has no facility to deport a fellow Yoruba from that state because nobody has an I.D card that indicates states of origin in the SW. In Lagos alone, there are indigenous Ijebu, Awori and Egba. How can they tell if someone is a Yoruba from another state. The story is a big lie to comfort the other ethnic groups deported from the state. Even Tinubu and his wife were migrates from Osun and the former GOVERNOR of the state.

From your username, I guess you are Yoruba as well. You should know this things before you start a topic title like this.