amarilo: If Tinubu is a Lagosian Aganga is a Lagosian too.
Tinubu is a Lagosian because he is yoruba. How can a yoruba man represent Edo state.
Dede1: The issue that surrounds Olusegun Aganga’s ministerial appointment is the classical example of everything wrong with the cesspit called Nigeria. The opposition to Aganga’s appointment as a minister is a shameful display of tribalism at the apex of Nigerian polity. Olusegun Aganga was born, raised and resides in Lagos therefore can claim an indigene of the state.
It is funny the group of people known to have the insatiable knack to claim anybody is rejecting Aganga. I hope Aganga did not pluck few apples from the exclusive gardens that belong to the so-called owners of the land.
[quote author=High_Chief link=topic=692321.msg8533878#msg8533878 date=1308269046]Rubbish!!![/quote]How is it rubbish, would you allow a non-indigene to represent your interest.
Eko Ile: This debate don turn to comedy and lunacy, lmao
I think we are done here, we've made our point, no need to keep wasting time.
I am not here to debate with your likes as you have no contribution to put in other than to insult and make silly comments in order to make yourself look intelligent.
OAM4J: It depends on your school of thought, whether you actually believe that Tinubu has prior knowledge of that publication or not.
For whatever it worths, Tinubu does not need this battle at this time. Now many Yorubas will no longer be divided between progressives and the PDP but between Awolowo loyalists and Tunubu's loyalists. I am not interested in shifting blames, I am more concerned in the bigger picture and am more worried about the effect of this battle on the progress of Yorubaland.
Egbon mi the bigger picture is clear. Tinubu does not have the SW's interest at heart but he is doing this to get more and more power. Lets be realistic for once in the SW and ask ourselves this questions.
What has ACN brought to the table for the SW as a whole unit ? Nothing.
Fashola is not doing enough for the kind of money he is earning in the state. The IGR of lagos is about 250 billion naira and all we see are patched roads here and there. ACN is using Eko Altantic for campaign but really Eko Altantic was sponsor by Banks Owned by Yorubas eg FIRST BANK, GTB etc.
Now that ACN rules the SW lets see what would happen. Each Governor has spent about 20days and there is not concrete plan yet. funny isn't it.
What Ideology does ACN stand on. Is it "Tinubuism" or the Awoism that has worked for us since the 1960's. Has Tinubu made bonds and investments in the name of yorubas for example Awolowo did egbe omo odudua, banks and oil companies investments. Which one has Tinubu done ?
Ystranger: Very incoherent and thoughtless post. Somehow you assume that any attack on ACN is done out of malice and spite. But we are yet to see anyone in PDP utter any derogatory word against Tinubu's person, rather he has been tolerated for far too long. With his lengthy criminal record, home and abroad, it is a miracle he is not somewhere cooling his heels in Rikers. In sane countries, people like Tinubu wont even be anywhere close to power. Blagojevich, the former charismatic Chicago governor is now going through trial for, according to FBI files, committing several "pay to play" schemes, including attempting "to obtain personal gain , through the corrupt use" of his authority to fill Barack Obama's vacated United States Senate seat.
James Ibori, Igbenedion, Tafa Balogun, Bode George have all been hounded for crimes that are no where has inhumane and unpatroitic as Tinubu's. But we hear the same thing all the time whenever there is any attempt to bring him to justice, political persecution they all cry. They want to kill him ooooo. Obasanjo hates him because Tinubu's dyyck is half inch longer than OBJ's. Criticize Tinubu, you see goons like you rant as though he is above the law. Damning for the so called "progressives." When Newspaper outfits publish anything unplatable about him, you call it ANTI-ACN. When they expose his hypocricy, you cry fowl.
Messing up isnt new in Nigeria. or is it? AD messed up and that is why PDP gained some foothold in the SW. It is a cycle, trust me, we will all be lamenting ACN's incompetence in 8 yrs.
Political balkanization that will result or that is already happening? Balkanization as in Tinubu led ACN breaking off of AD? LP breaking off of ACN? And who are we to blame for this? PDP again? Did PDP cause ACN to break off from AD out of their "morbid desire to see Tinubu go down?" Are we blaming Tribune, your so called PDP paper for all of this again?
SO ACN is now a Yoruba party? The same Yoruba party that worked against another Yoruba Senator in the NASS? The same Yoruba party that refused to meet with people from AD for the purpose of ironing out differences? The same Yoruba party that is working against Ganiyu Solomon as we speak? Preferring Akume instead? The same Yoruba party that is supposed to present our First eleven, that, summarily, without any deliberation, recalled the most experinced Senator in their midst, Mamora? replacing him with Ashafa? Why? For supporting Fashola against Your messiah, Tinubu.
Even when Bola Ige disobeyed Awo, refusing to step down for Alayande in 1979, Awo did not thake it personal.
Alternatives to Who? Tinubu the leader of the Yorubas or Tinubu the leader of ACN?
When they stood with AD in 1999, they werent bad then. But when they go against what you believe, your reality, your narrow POV, they are now enemy of progress. So, it is now a crime to not agree with ACN?
HID said, Awo, before his death, "expounded on the theory of dialectics." I'd suggest you go look for the full speech HID Awolowo was referring to and read it "in order not to lose focus and[b] chase shadows and false doctrines which cannot stand the test of political rigours and constitutional engineering[/b]". That quote is from Bola Ige's article that he wrote shortly before his death: Obafemi Awolowo: The man with a plan
Whose script? Whose doctrine? And you beleive that Awo, in this age and time, would have worked against a Yoruba man the way Tinubu instructed his sheep not to vote for that lovely Yoruba woman from Oyo? You think Awolowo would have presented a non-Yoruba for what is supposed to be ours.
Our elders say: A ki leni ni mosan/igi osan, ka mu kikan
A ki i du ori olori ki awodi gbe ti wa lo
We all know what led to Awo being vilified by Zik as a tribalist. It would be redundant for me to relate that historical event here.
How did you know this is Tinubu's plan? Whose Chances are you talking about? Are you a card carrying member of ACN? Here I am thinking you were all for Buhari, No?
The truth is that we dont know what Tinubu's plan is? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Not sure which Tinubu you are supporting? The Tinubu that was born in 1952 or the One of 1954? I wouldnt want to support a Tinubu that went to St. Paul’s Primary School, Aroloya, Lagos, only to wake up to a Tinubu that graduated from Government College, Ibadan,1965 making decisions on my behalf. There is something about being taken for a ride that I just dont like. Thats just me though. Yeah, it has something to do with principle and honesty.
There is something wrong here. You seem to be mixing everything together. Tinubu of ACN Vs. Tinubu of the SW? Again, are you an ACN member? If so, then your use of "our" is in order. Otherwise, please could you clarify this line?
Who puts ordinary freaking title on their letter head? Or did you not see the letter he wrote to HID, with ASIWAJU before his name. Even if he never called himself the Asiwaju of Yorubaland, he hasnt come out to clarify the misconception. If that is not dishonesty to you, well would you be so kind as to define what dishonesty is?
Really? EKo e re
Which is all good. We all wish him luck. He has done well for himself.
Bring Tinubu down? Who is bringing Tinubu down? Tribune? So it is fine to report about James Ibori's problems, but not Tinubu's. Reporting on his rift with Fashola is, to you, "bringing him down?" Reporting on how his company is robbing Lagos blind is "bringing him down, in your mind. It is fine to vilify OGD, a self made man, an Awoist to the core, a former youth leader in Awolowo's party, a former tutelage of the great Awojobi, the CEO of Kresta Laurel, who was rigged out of AD by Afenefere just so they could install their crony, Osoba. And his only crime, going by your senseless diatribe on PDP is that he left the undemocratic nature of AD for the more democratic PDP.
OGD is a bad guy because. . .? Tinubu has alpha betta whatever and infinity concept, OGD owns gateway holdings. Tinubu went from an $18000 per annum job in Chicago to having more than half a million dollars in his account two years after, OGD made First class at Unilag and built an Engineering firm in Nigeria. OGD had issues his with the Ogun lawmakers in his second time, Tinubu had three deputies in eight years. Tinubu stood up to OBJ, OGD did the same. Yet, it is Tinubu who has the best interest of the SW because he is in ACN and OGD isnt. Lets leave the death of FUnsho Williams and Dipo Dina out of all this.
You can believe whatever you choose to believe. "Ignorance is bliss." BTW, I got that from Kobojunkie, Isnt it sweet? Whatever makes you happy.
This is the kind of arrogance and shortsightedness that people hate. The first freedon of information act in this dispensation was not presented by Abike Dabiri. When the first draft was first sent to OBJ, Abike Dabiri was still working as a presenter with NTA. Cant remember how it all started, but I remember Dapo Sarumi adressing the issue and I remember that it was actually presented to the house, passed through, but OBJ refused to sign it, killing the bill in the process. But Abike Dabiri did not start from scratch.
That said, giving her all the glory because she belongs to ACN is just beign disingenuous. For starters, a bill of that magnitude would never have passed if every one else was as myopic and intolerant as ACN, after all they do not have the number to pass the bill. Credit should be given to her, and every one that voted for it. Including those who worked behind the scene, toiling day and night to make sure they bill would sail through. It is one thing to present the bill and even force it through the house, the ultimate power still lies with the president. He could have easily not sign it.
That is from Abike Dabiri. Even Abike herself, would not go as far as taking sole credit for the bill as you've naively done here. We need to be careful how you worship people. It is well within your right to demonize the PDP as much as you want. But it would be unfair and hypocritical to deny them of their fair share of praise
You want us to have state police? You want to have people like vindictive, authoritarian Tinubu be in control of the police? You would rather have him use the power of the state to terrorize people who disagree with him? hun?
So you would have preferred he used the more effective and better trained State Police to beat up Gani Fawehinmi, rather than the unorganized, machete wielding thugs he sent to The Federal High Court On Wednesday, October 20, 1999?
Interesting!
I guess PDP owns Oriental in Lagos. PDP owns Bellview. PDP owns The Nation. PDP owns Alpha beta whatever. PDP owns the more than 16 overseas account linked to Tinubu's name in Europe and North America.
Whatever makes you happy. Your mind, your reality, your POV and your happiness. I totally understand how you feel. Amphetamine can have that effect on people. Hope you getting it from a safe source and dont forget to change needles before each injection.
Lets pull them down and install Emperor Tinubu? Why not?
They whole pulling down thing you keep repeating is all in your head, seriously.
Now, you are now trying to balkanize, sorry differentiate NL Yorubas from the ones on ground, as if they suddenly become two people because they have access to the internet. It reminds of the Ibos and how they[i] balkanize[/i], sorry, group Yoruba into the Good Yoruba, like Soyinka, and the bad ones, like Awolowo. Sometimes, its always better to balkanize remove the log in our eyes before trying to balkanize remove the speck in someone else's
Now, let me go back to[b] balkanizing[/b] my food. please, Pray for my safety as my body tries to balkanize the digested food afterwards. First, I need to go to chipotle to balkanize them with my food choice. Still not decided what to balkanize, a burritto or 9 soft tacos. The other day, I balkanized a burritto maybe I should switch things up and balkanize some soft tacos today.
What do you think?
Very Good. I am glad that there are still sane people in Yorubaland.
lagboyz: Ystranger, Is mamora from lagos or Ogun State? I understand he is from ijebu.
There is this other guy at Transport ministry, Kayode Opeifa. he is eqaully good . I hope he is from lagos too.
I dont have problem with any of the listed hopefuls except Remi Tinubu's wife. Enough of Tinubus pls. we dont want Bastards to rule us in Lagos. he should go to Iragbiji in osun state to continue his political moves. shekena
[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=690632.msg8526879#msg8526879 date=1308177950]Fine. I and most NLers will continue to laugh at your posts. You are not earning your keep. Even unpaid posters are doing a better job than you.
When you remember what part of Lagos your people are from, please answer. [/quote]Ose wa gba iyi, what part of Lagos is that Eko/Iragbiji ile from ? He is probably one of those collecting money from Tinubu and other ACN rascals.
Awa omo eko mo ara wa o. We know ourselves.
OAM4J: While we ought to be building bridges, we are busy dividing ourselves further.
This is the time SW need to come together and be united more than ever, but unfortunately we are busy fighting ourselves.
Yoruba ronu o.
Part of building bridges is accepting the truth so we can move forward. The thing Tinubu is doing will and would never unite SW. It is a different case if he used his propaganda to insult the Awo family and he is doing better than what Awo achieved in 10 years. It is another case if he insulted Awo and yet has not achieved in 12 years what Awo achieved in a year.
We in Lagos would never allow mediocrity to preside over actualisation and development. Look at Lagos today, we hail Fashola like he is a god but really he is just doing his job. H[b]e was elected to do a job and he is not even doing enough but because we are so uneducated, unsmart and silly we will praise him because Tinubu did not do such when he was in power[/b]
During Lateef Jakande era, Lagos acheived more ground in 4 years than in 12 years of ACN. Lets not deceive ourselves Lagos is standing now because it was the former FC and not because of ACN magic.
Odudua and Awo would very disappointed at us. Where are the Yoruba values, where are ways of thinking as a yoruba son and daughter. What happened to Tradition and holding leaders accountable for there actions. Back before modernisation, people like Tinubu would be beheaded way long ago.
Not only would Ajasin, Awo be disappointed but as individuals, we should also be disappointed at the way things are going. We should for once seat down and think thus the saying Yoruba roun.
I would be watching with close interest on every SW state and how things would turn out. God bless Awon omo Yoruba
I would leave you with this song immortality by Obey. I listen to this song while I was growing up to know why I love Awo.
Olorun ma yor tinubu ooo. Ko gba ja pelu Igbe-ile Awolowo and see what would happen to him. God really love this man called Tinubu if not his political career in the South -west was going to be finished starting from Lagos and Ogun. Good move, now yorubas and yorubaoid groups are united again. Thank God
dayokanu: Thankfully everyone knows that Fashola is a product of Tinubu imposition, So if you love Fashola that means you love and have benefitted immesely from Tinubus imposition
If Tinubu is not the leader in Lagos then who is ? Thug Obanikoro or Tewonde george or Father of rascals OBJ
Tinubu ma ko wa je niso. Continue leading us Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu. May your reign be long May you never know shame like the PDP and their shameless people
Fashola is not a product of Tinubu. Fashola is a product of ACN. Obanikoro and co are not to replace fashola when Jimi is there.
Desola: Seriously? He cannot rule Lagos? As a matter of fact, he is done ruling Lagos, but OWNING it! Whether you like am, whether you no like am, Tinubu is the baba Isale and undesputable owner of Lagos state, no one holds that title. What I wouldn't do however, is go as far as declare him the Asiwaju of Yorubaland. Now, that is a feat he cannot achieve in this lifetime but when it comes to Lagos, he is the DON. Tinubu is what the Queen is to the UK and Fashola is what Cameron is.
Funny girl, when last have you lived in Lagos and I am not talking about holiday
lagboyz: To all right thinking South-Westerner you will agree with me that the naughty person of iragbiji (Tinubu) has started journey of selef-distruction. His boy in the Nation news paper, Omotseye has been sent to a write up that will pull Pa Awolowo down. No, way he can not. Quote me, Mr Tinubu can not be Yoruba leader. he is an opportunist that has sold Yorubas for his selfish interes. Eko Ile, Watch out. This is the begining of the end of ACN
Ose egbon mi. The best quote so far I am glad south-westerners are waking up to the reality on ground. We the people on ground most especially in lagos will/would never allow Tinubu to be our leader. I don't care if he is Ekiti, Osun, Oyo, Ogun etc allow him to be their leader but Lagos it is a "no no" situation. If other south-western states are happy with Tinubu, then by all mean let him rule them but Lagos he can not rule. ACN stands in lagos now because of Gov.Fashola who majority of us love. Even fashola is not doing enough for the money he collects from the states. Between Fashola and Tinubu 2 trillion Naira has gone down unaccounted for with in 1999 to 2011. Tinubu borrowed 150 million dollars in the name of Lagos state during his tenure. He planned to build a railway project in the state with this money which as of today Fashola has also borrowed a similar amount in the name of this project. Eko Atlantic is not Fashola's doing but banks donated money in other to pay back in good will to the state. Fashola has nothing to do with eko atlantic.
So the question. What has Fashola and Tinubu done for the state which happens to be the commercial capital of Africa.
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=689750.msg8517752#msg8517752 date=1308067110]Don't get me wrong, I understand your concern about imposition. But if you don't give prominent positions to certain folk outside the SW, then how do you grow the party?
There has to be a balance here, no?[/quote]Dapo my brother, Please do not be deceived with what some fake south-westerners are saying here majority of them are only looking for what they would gain(money) from Tinubu. As I speak now Tinubu is not loved in Lagos at all !!!!. Do not let like of Eko/Iragbji ile deceive you. You need to come to Lagos to know what is happening on ground. You would be disappointed.
1. How on earth did Mama Awolowo become a "deity?" What on earth did she do to get to this status? Even Awolowo is not that in my eyes, not to mention his wife. Criticizing her and the family is fine, but the rude language Omatseye used is not. 2. Regarding the ACNs political views, they seem to be (A) fiscally leftist on most issues, (B) pro-business/private sector on others, and (C) fiscally federalist. I have no clue why anyone will say that they are empty of ideas or have no platform. Means you've not really been following recent events in Lagos and other states, I guess? 3. Tinubu is not a felon. We know he settled out of court on his money laundering case. If he was ever convicted of a felony, provide evidence.[/quote]1. She is not a deity per say she is metaphorically called a "deity" by zstranger to explain her importance or "the awo family's" importance in Yorubaland.
2. Is it not obvious they are short of ideas. What did Tinubu do in his terms as the governor ? Dapo lets be realistic ACN is afloat in Lagos because of fashola alone.
3. His files were with Ribadu but Ribadu stu.pidly threw it away in the hope that Tinubu would make him the president which he did not deliver.
Tinubu is a politician and the Tribune has every right to criticize Tinubu.
HID Awolowo, the Yeye Oba of The Source, the Yeye oodua of Yorubaland is a deity, NOT A PHOCKING POLITICIAN.
She has stole no one's money. She welcomed Amosun to her house during his electioneering process, just like she did to every one else. She is not a card carrying member of PDP. She has every right to welcome OGD and PDP to her house. After all, Awoism is an idea that transcends petty partisanship
Geddit!
[b]If this is how you treat the elders in your family, then I am not surprised you see nothing wrong in that article.[/b]
Very Very Good answer. This people have no ounce of Yoruba in them. Being yoruba is not about name but also about the culture or ideology.
[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=683820.msg8468842#msg8468842 date=1307406764]I suspect much of the anti-remi rhetoric is simply a cloak for being anti-yoruba women.[/quote]No it is really about Remi or Yoruba women( which I respect and love) but about Tinubu and his "Ruling family"
Wizardofoz: That said, we cant compare Remi Tinubu with Hillary Clinton.
Education apart. Hillary from Yale and Tinubu from Adeyemi, very irrelevant really.
What have they both achieved after leaving school?
Remi has no verifiable work history. Hillary on the other hand since she left school, from Day 1, started shattering glass ceilings for women. Too many firsts for Hillary to mention.
Hillary actually worked her way to public life.
Secondly, when Hillary was in the White house, she single handedly wrote the first Universal health care bill that was defeated by the Republicans in 1992. And it was that Bill that Mitt Romney used as his template for his universal health care policy when he was Governor of Massachusetts.
The Obama Care that Obama forced down congress neck was, for all intents, Hillary Clinton’s health care plan. It was supposed to achieve universal coverage. How? Individual mandates. Hillary’s idea is a core provision inside the current Senate and House bills. She just wasnt a dycck sucker. She is a woman, like no other. One of the best minds in America, and indeed, in the world today.
Home Life: Hillary has raised a grown up, well brought up, Chelsea who is now the cynosure of every one. She did that while juggling professional life and politics with her marriage. Remi's children?
My point: Remi does not in anyway deserve to be forced on Lagosian the way BAT did. And trying to justify it by comparing her scant/unverifiable academic and work history with Hillary's is an insult to Hillary's pristine legacy.
rhymz: My friend, step1, you make it so difficult for me not to be harsh on you the way you bandy inaccuracies as fact hence my harsh tone. However, I will try my best to be civil with you and I hope you do thesame. Now regarding your allegations that Peter Odili was voted out in 2007 by the SE, there again you go wrong as that is not true. Go and do your research, I remember in 2007 that he, Peter Odili stepped down a day to the PDP presidential primaries which paved way for Yaradua. According to available reports then, it was said that OBJ who was favourably disposed to an Odili candidacy was presented with very hard facts of Odili's mismanagement of state funds and corrupt enrichment using state funds by Ribadu the then EFCC chairman. Odili was forced to drop his presidential ambitions or face prosecution, I dare you to come out with facts that the SE voted en mass against Odili an Igbo man for that matter. Like I have told you before, don't be in a hurry to make a point and start presenting inaccuracies as fact. Your second point about Ohanaeze not supporting Pat Utomi ignored the fact that he was not only the one from the eastern region being considerd as at that time, instead you chose to conveniently dwell on the speculative claims of an editorial by an agrieved supporter who was as well discussing an issue and cited that scenerio to back up his arguments. There was Orji Uzor Kalu and there was also Ojukwu. There was even a committee set up by the group to consider the three candidates and each of them were asked to send representatives which I understand Pat did not send. Also, there were criteria for the three prospective candidates to meet which Pat did not met likewise ojukwu and their support was given to kalu. How anyone chooses to interprete that is their own business but the fact remains he did not meet their criteria for their support simple and short. Even I, at that time, thought Pat Utomi did not have any serious platform which greatly worked against him. Or did you think that they were going to give him any special treatments. The accusation that some members felt he was not Igbo enough started coming out because he was not the chosen one, I bet it would have been a different case had he been chosen. This is politics my dear, and everyone is looking out for their own. GEJ was supported by the East not because he had Azikiwe to his name-that will be tantamount to calling Igbos dumb-it was because we wanted to bring back the spirit of togetherness that was in the eastern bloc prior to the civil war, it was a way to show forgiveness & bridge the spirit of trust that eroded the region during and after the war. Besides, Jonathan was in a way better position and more nationally acceptable than Utomi was at the time, all he needed was encouragement and support which ohanaeze willingly gave him even though a lot of the other regions where reluctant to hastily give theirs as they were busy scheming and watching out for their own interests. I tell you what bro, if Utomi was in thesame position,we wont hesitate to do thesame. I hope I have been able to answer your question my brother and I appologize for my harsh tone earlier on, is just that sometimes you get tired of these bigotry and want to curse out anyone that shows a slight hint of it. Seriously, it has made NL boring and very childish, these days, I just scroll through a lot of threads without commenting as the level of tribalism and bigotry is just stunning and the fact that it is allowed and encouraged by the mods is even more stunning to me. Anyway, lets agree to disagree.
Rhymz, I am not talking as an outsider or a newspaper reader but as an insider. So, we are talking on different ideas we both perceive to be the truth. Concerning Peter Odili, that was the truth I typed earlier on. You also rightly said that Odili was going to face EFCC if he had not step down but if he already had the support of the SW and help of SE PDP delegate why would he need to step down because of EFCC. To be truthful I am not sure how that adds up.
Concerning Pat Utomi I can not ague with what you wrote, You are in a better position to understand SE politics than me.
I understand my brother, I am glad I had this discussion with you. Thanks for your time.
alex101: Step1, I think you are one of the very few yorubas that is reasonable on this forum . The reason why you see Igbos like me go tribal is because of your yoruba brothers/sisters who are very tribalistic in nature. Most Igbo are just reacting and defending Ndigbo against any tribal rant from yorubas. Although, I look forward to the day (in the real sense of it all) that a GENUINE political alliance will be formed b/w the SW and SE,,,,maybe smart yorubas like you will help in isolating the tribalistic ones in your enclave. Now thesame goes to my Igbo peeps too, because I won't be fair by thinking we don't have our fault. I have lots of friends of yoruba extraction and we get along very well. The divide and rule tactics of the mallams cannot continue unabated.
Ikeja ni mo ti da gba si ni eko, mo de mo pe kin se gbogbo yin lo baje. Olorun a ke e o.
I reason with you. It is quite easy to join the wagon of tribalism but we should be careful not to be drawn into it.
@ your yoruba
I am quite impressed you wrote yoruba very well and Ose fun adura e. Olorun a ke e yin na Amen.
igbo boy: dont make it sound like any body who wants to rule naija needs the sole backing of the sw. The truth be told we all need each other (the more regions u have the better). But if someone has the support of SE SS NE NC NW then what is the need for the SW? Likewise take out one of these regions and add the SW, the region left out will loose,
As for Odili that guy is like tinubu, why should we support a rogue candidate just because he is igbo?
As for Utomi the time wasn't ripe for him cos we in the SS thought highly of him but felt it was rightly Jonathan's turn,
Why does anyone need the SW if all other zones would vote for him/her.
"What I am telling you is that south-west would support a South-east president so long as SE people pick him and he is a leader"
I believe what I said was clear. The SW would support a South-east president so long as the SE people support him and he is a leader with good vision for the country as a whole.
At the end of the day the contesting President might not need the SW votes and he might still win, I don't think it is an issue. Only if he/she wants/ needs the SW to vote for himself/herself then he needs to be a good leader and have a clear manifesto.
Calculia: The answer to your question is simple. Odili in 2007 could not contest for President because the Northerners were threatening violence and coup if the Presidency does not go North.
Hence, Yaradua was the compromise but OBJ had an issue with Odili with regards to certain statement made during an interview on BBC were he accused previous administration for the present state of stagnation Nigeria embodied. Hence, OBJ favoured GEJ for the Vice President position.
The issue of Utomi was simply because when pitched against candidates like Buhari and Ribadu, he simple did not stand a chance but GEJ had a broader appeal and was the consensus candidate. I hope that answered your question.
hackney: it is true that it will be nice if an igbo rules the country at some point but ruling just for the sake of it is of no use to anyone.
The Pro-fashola poster has a point: FASHOLA KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING.PERIOD! ! Irrespective of the fact that the youbas will never support an igbo man in this regard (or anywhere for that matter), i will like fashola to give the pesidency a go because he fully understands what is needed and WANTS TO DO IT.
Us being tribalistic is not in our nature but a reaction to genetically tribalistic co-habitants we have in the country.
After all, an igbo man ruling does not guarantee that he would do f.uc.k all fo the east. As history has shown, rulership position is usually for the president and his cronies and not his tribe. what did OBJ do for the SW?
Fashola should run; he is the best we have in the nigerian political arena as far as naija goes (O do we prefer Oji uzo kalu?
My brother My brother why are you talking like this. Where did you people get the impression that South westerners/yorubas would never support a SE/igbo president. Please Desola and co do not represent us. We were ready to support Odili 2007. If a SE person like Chime or anybody better comes out to present himself then SW would vote for him because we want development. We in the SW are not tribalistic and we do not hold anything against any region. We vote for individuals and not his cultural affinity or party. I am a PDP supporter but I still voted for Fashola in Lagos even against my father's wishes. If a good SE man comes out then be sure he would win in the SW so long has he has clear manifestos.
rhymz: Guy you are best advised to shut your mouth up if you lack the sagacity to to interprete political matters without bias. I bet you are one of those dumb newcomers that don't bother to understand an argument before jumping to post their crap. Who is blaming SW for anybody's misfortunes? Seriously, many Swesterners need to leave the SW region a bit and go to other part of Nigeria. A lot of you are under the false impression that you are more developed and in a position to sermonize how other regions should have played their cards in politics. While I dont take the rubbish you write above seriously as it lacks intelligence and common sense, it irks me when some misinformed kid from the SW takes it upon himself to pontificate on how politicians from other regions should have played their cards or make their decisions, Imagine the CRAP!! Like every decision from the SE must be vetted first by the "Super-brained" SW politicians before it is taken, crappy superiority mentality. Need I remind you that in politics everyone, every region and every tribe looks out for themselves, nobody is going to make decisions to suit any group's political idiosyncracies. So stop expecting politicians to play the game your way because you think you are smarter. And finally, I will advise you argue about the things you understand and not just hurriedly scheme through it only because you want to look for faults to support your arguments rather than understand what is it you are reading. Enuf said already!
This is a discussion not an argument or a fight so why all the insult. South-westerners do leave their region, live and work in other regions in fact I don't think you know what you are saying because all you just did is use your emotion of hate from south-western to post. By the way, why do you think the SW has "superiority complex" or " they think they are smarter". Please my friend/brother I would appreciate if you do not reply me with hints of tribalism or hate again, it is uncivilized people which I believe we are all are not.
No one is under any impression. SE voted for Jonathan because his name is Azikiwe and not because he is a leader. What I am telling you is that south-west would support a South-east president so long as SE people pick him and he is a leader. We do not think we are superior or have any superior mentality over any group (i mean what made you say that). Politics in the South-east is perfect and I am not disputing that with you neither am I in the position to tell any politician what to do be it SE or SW. Now I propose this question to you since you.
1 Why did SE politician in PDP vote out Odili in 2007
2 Why did Ohaneze say Utomi should step down but gave their mandate to Azikiwe Jonathan. I mean he is a SS man from delta state.
( Please answer this question if you fell you want to and reply like an educated adult without insults)
Politics › Re: Olusegun Aganga Is Edo And Cannot Represent Lagos State by step1: 12:52pm On Jun 17, 2011
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. The reason why you see Igbos like me go tribal is because of your yoruba brothers/sisters who are very tribalistic in nature. Most Igbo are just reacting and defending Ndigbo against any tribal rant from yorubas. Although, I look forward to the day (in the real sense of it all) that a GENUINE political alliance will be formed b/w the SW and SE,,,,maybe smart yorubas like you will help in isolating the tribalistic ones in your enclave. Now thesame goes to my Igbo peeps too, because I won't be fair by thinking we don't have our fault. I have lots of friends of yoruba extraction and we get along very well. The divide and rule tactics of the mallams cannot continue unabated.