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Fashola does not have to decamp to PDP before he comes the President. He can become one by not decamping.

Concerning zoning, Zone was dead but it rose again. Zoning is live and kicking it was just held up temporarily thanks to the SE politicians in PDP.

igbo boy:
forget those grammar and discussions my brother, the principle is simple "what is good for the goose is good for the gander'. it is easy for my people in the sw to talk about moving the country forward but at whose expense, Like dey say na who dey wear the shoe na im go know where leg dey pain am, So how can someone who has never been marginalized know anything about marginalization?

My brother, I hope you are not talking about igbos being marginalized in the country or PDP because that is a lie. As a matter of fact igbos are given priority in the PDP. what is good for the goose is good for the gander My brother those words does not apply to the SW. October 2010 during the PDP Summit in Abuja, Every delegate from every political zones voted for zoning except SS and SE. SE delegates we deluded to think after the northerners, it would be another SW turn and so they tried to play smart by starting a propaganda that Jonathan is igbo from the SS because of his name which fell perfectly to OBJ's and Edwin Clark's plans. Afterwards each region made Jonathan to make promises to them including a villain called Tinubu.

My point is that the igbos delegates in PDP made a costly mistake. Before Yaradua PDP SW were chanting Odili and a NE vp to be the next rulers of the country. Shirts and other campaign goodies were already out especially in Lagos, before we could say "jackrobbinson" the same SE delegate voted for Yaradua instead of Odili.

2010 Utomi wanted to be the presidential flag bearer. Ohaneze or whatever said he was not igbo enough to carry the SE mandate as if GEJ was even Igbo at the first place. just to conform read this link

http://911truthcampaign.net/conspiracy/uwechue-ohanaeze-ndiigbo-and-the-future-of-anioma

2015 whether it is fashola or lagbaja there will still be a constant factor which is the stealing continues. Before I go, I would want to refer to Caulilia, you and rhymes that please stop blaming the SW for SE woes because I know it is a common practices on nairaland, Vanguard and other internet forum.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=663772.msg8449761#msg8449761 date=1307131014]Source?

Can any Native Ekiti verify this plz because I've never heard this one before.[/quote]Lol it is a common practise sister mi. It might not be lizard, it can be any other thing and it is not specific to Ekiti it also common among Egbas and Awori that I know of. I know some older members of my family that have some sort of design on their bodies which they say is for beautification.


[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=663772.msg8449889#msg8449889 date=1307132537]i thought step1 said he's from lagos so why is he refering to ekiti.

and yes, can we know more about the lizard tattoo which is probably a form of tribal marks or scarification.

or a recent thing.

never heard of the like.[/quote]Lol my sister
I am a native of lagos but it does not mean I should be ignorant of yoruba culture be it Ekiti or Ondo. You can learn more from this documentary concerning Tattoos in Yoruba culture.

Tattoos in Yoruba Culture - by Chief Atanda & Osunyemi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhB3aEft35U

I am still open for corrections. We are all learning everyday and no one is above correction.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=676411.msg8449810#msg8449810 date=1307131561]@ step1

you didnt read the whole thing.[/quote]yes I missed a word which is the wekagborun

step1:
tpia what part of itsekiri/yoruba in this don't you understand

translation
Tpai, Ileke-idi is there something wrong with your heads/ your heads are not thinking right, ------? I want to write something in itsekiri: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=676411.msg8449766#msg8449766 date=1307131118]https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-63015.0.html[/quote]The link you provided say they are a sub-group of Yoruba.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=676411.msg8449775#msg8449775 date=1307131181]that's all.[/quote]I meant in the context that I could still read the Itsekiri writing even as bad as my yoruba is when compare to others.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=676411.msg8449748#msg8449748 date=1307130905]Didnt you use to say Itsekiris were Yoruba?

abeg abeg abeg, I dont even understand Ijebu (Yoruba) dialect, how I go understand this one?[/quote]How was that hard to understand ? I am not good in reading and writing Yoruba but surly even I could understand that.

jason123:
Itsekiris are not yorubas BUT they are related to the Yorubas and Edos since they are from the ijebus and binis. thats that.

It a group of people share believes, names, language and ideology then it is very safe to categorise them as part of the same ethnic group

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=676411.msg8449710#msg8449710 date=1307130473]^^you bet wrong.[/quote]tpia what part of itsekiri/yoruba in this don't you understand

kpogede77:
Tpia, Ileke-Idi abi nikor reshorukore, wekagborun? mofe ka uka ni tsekiri: okan, meji, meta, meren , maru, mefa, meje, mejor, mesan, megwa, okan legwa, eji legwa, meta legwa and so on. This is one to 13 in Itsekiri. Is this how Fulani and Edo people count 1 to 13?

translation
Tpai, Ileke-idi is there something wrong with your heads, ------? I want to write something in itsekiri: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=676411.msg8449683#msg8449683 date=1307130214]how many yorubas do you think can read that?

i told you the spelling is different and besides, it's a dialect. Even yorubas themselves dont always understand each other's dialects.

the numbering is the same, as has been pointed out on other threads.


i'd assume itsekiri is more related to the lukunmi people in delta-an ancient dialect of yoruba, but the lukunmis arent considered yoruba perse.[/quote]No tpia Itsekiri are yorubas in every right just different dialect. Infact I can understand Itsekiri more than Ekiti dialect. What he wrote down, I bet every yoruba can read it.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=681443.msg8443874#msg8443874 date=1307050887]I don't know where they got the money from, but I know Bode George went to Jail for "attempted" embezzlement.

. . .and I[b] know it's pretty easy to register proxy companies to take government contracts for you and make Billions with no clear evidence[/b].[/quote]Yes but Bode and Bankole are not the ones awarding contracts. If the FG knew they embezzled money from the first contract then they should have stop giving them contracts instead of allowing the money to accumulate.

Katsumoto:
You had better join another part because PDP will NEVER get another opportnity in the SW. If ACN does not deliver, another party will rise to take its place. But the SW will never vote PDP monkeys again. Gba bi mo se so.

I will deal with the rest of your posts later.

Lol

Egbon Kilode !!!Lol  If not PDP then Labour Party, I am not defending PDP but tying to make people aware of what ACN is and what PDP is in the SW. Egbon mi I just want us to be open minded and not caught in the euphoria of ACN is the best.

dayokanu:
Step 1, Why should we give shady characters like Bode Tewonde George, Ogunlewe (remember FERMA) and that thug Obanikoro a chance to rule intellectuals.

Has Ogunlewe accounted for the FERMA money yet?

Haha dayo, I am not supporting corrupt individual like Bode George and co but the whole point of the my argument with giving people chance is for us to be open minded. Coming 2015, Dosummu might win in Lagos and even do better than Fashola. It all for the progress of the SW. Also I am not against Fashola, he is one of the best things that have happened in Lagos state in recent times

dayokanu:
Who are the good PDP members self? Name them

Is it Obanikoro, Ogunlewe or who?

Have they been given the chance in Lagos. Egbon Dayo I hope you are not getting the impression that I am supporting corruption.

Eko Ile:
Very brilliant and inspiring write up. Many thanks for posting.

Why pay attention to this step dude and his pointless argument? This is about the SW, not his sorry and pathetic PDP.

Yes it is about SW and in SW we have PDP

hercules07:
Step 1 mi o binu pupo ju, we are at a stage in our development where we ran omo ina si ina, our people are not ready to emancipate themselves, people with good intentions can not win elelctions if they do not have deep pockets or somebody backing them, Tinubu fought gallantly, yes he must have dipped his hands in the till (at the appropriate time he will account for all he took), but, he fought a good fight, the process of government is an iterative one, if we can get better governors elected, we will soon get to a stage where some of the compromises we make will not be acceptable. Obasanjo really wanted to deal with the SW, imagine if Tinubu had not won, SW will be nothing more than a glorified village, let us give kudos to him, let the Jimi Agbaje of this world bring up strong opposition that will be on the governors neck to deliver, we do not want them to come out when they need our votes, the business of politics is something you dedicate yourself to totally.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=681443.msg8443438#msg8443438 date=1307045383]My brother no-one can fault our people for not trusting OBJ's PDP. We can't trust our abusers. We never voted for OBJ anyway, even when the Presidency was zoned to him and the SW we voted Olu Falae and AD.

Jonathan will need to walk the talk , there is no trust before action here anymore, we judge you by your work, and his work in Bayelsa was nothing to write home about, he has another 4 years to fix that now.

You perform, we trust. Shikena, no more blind followership.

They need to present candidates who can inspire the people to vote for them via their actions and prior records.

EX: If you are from Lagos and your PDP party made you Minister for Works or Chairman of Nigerian Ports Authority e.g Bode George, then do the work and show you can perform. Then the people of Lagos will trust you with their vote.

Who is going to Trust Tony Anenih(PDP, Edo) or Bode George (PDP Lagos) with Public funds

No more voting for criminals because they have Federal support, we have enough talent to choose from.

I'll rather vote Fola Adeola for Lagos 2015 than any famous FG/PDP supported nonentity.[/quote]Correct sir but I also want to urge you to not think Tinubu was the only one that fought aganist OBJ. Before my father, Funsho and Obanikoro joined PDP, they were in AD (Alliance for Democracy back in those days) and they all fought against OBJ with the aid of Afenifere to put Olu Falea in power. Before the 2003 incident that put Tinubu back in power, there was an agreement in the party in 1999 that after 8 yrs Funsho will take it(knowing full well that Funsho was a better candidate than Tinubu). During his last 4 yrs in power he started putting his family members into key positions like his cousin to be the Oando oil owner etc.

2007 When fashola contested (after the death of funsho williams), Fashola asked BODE and others to help him out which they did but of course OBJ must not know this. Infact Obanikoro, the money given to him to us to contest was spent on "who knows". Later that year Tinubu accredited everything to his own doing as if he is one powerful man in Lagos. Even fashola knew this was all fake. In fact as we are speaking, fashola is sponsoring LP and there candidates gearing up for the next election. Solomon, Olarewaju and co know this but that have no choice but to stick to ACN as they still want to be relevant in Lagos politics.

@Kilode

You points are well taken but you need to ask yourself Where did bankole and bode get the money they stole from ? because they do not get contracts.

aletheia:
^
This is a dangerous train of thought that must be stopped in its tracks. A lot of non-indigenes contribute as well to the economy of Lagos and other SW states. To begin to give in to such bigotry will only weaken the SW. And it behooves true sons of the SW to fight such bigotry.

No this is not bigotry and I do not engage in bigotry infact I hate it. Those that have paid their tax and worked in SW can enjoy the benefit the government provides. I mentioned that to explain how they would pay for non-south-westerners remember in the south-west there are many ethnic groups in them that have equally contributed to its development. I meant the ones that have not lived or paid tax in the SW but still what to benefit from the development since we are still one Nigeria.

To summarise it we are all south-westerners whether igbo, yoruba, edo or hausa but the problem arises when the new ones are coming in and have contributed nothing to the development of SW.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=681443.msg8443176#msg8443176 date=1307042520]What do you mean?

I thought Akala, OGD, Oyinlola, Fayose were PDP Governors for terms ranging from 4 to 8 years, what other chance are they looking for?

And PDP has been in control of the Federal Government with overwhelming majority in the House Of Assembly since 1999

What chance are you talking about?[/quote]I am glad you brought that up. I can only confidentially discuss of the Lagos PDP chapter. Egbon mi PDP in Lagos have not been given the chance to show themselves. Lets be fair here my brother, the FG under PDP was controlled by OBJ who was an ex-general and the son of other northern elite. Lets wait and see what Jonathan would do before we write off PDP. Even PDP Lagos chapter do not support OBJ so I don't see how OBJ would have made PDP any more popular when in government.

hercules07:
Step1 ma ba e ja o, what do you mean that Akala and OGD were better than Tinubu? Have you been to Oyo state recently? A lot of what Fashola is taking credit for was started by Tinubu, he laid the foundation, Tinubu is not a saint but if you guys think dislodging the PDP from the SW did not require massive funds, then you are all in dreamland.

Egbon mi e ma binu si mi sir but I just have to say what I see. I am happy you admit that Tinubu is not a saint but you talk of massive funds gotten from the people's pockets. In an Ideal society, that is wrong.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=681443.msg8443020#msg8443020 date=1307040752]Let them prove it. That is the issue.

A lot of Nigerians are tired of mere talk, unfulfilled promises and visionless uninspiring leadership.

EX:If you have a partner that constantly cheats on you and physically abuses you, It will not be shocking if you decide to kick His/Her backside to the curbside. Most sensible people will do the same, except they are suffering from a massive case of Stockholm Syndrome and inferiority complex.

PDP should walk their talk, they had the power and time to make many fundamental changes since 1999, The people cannot continue to wait for them forever. We have places to go.[/quote]

dayokanu:
Dont be dishonest. The BRT project started before Fashola was even elected I lived in lagos at this time and I can attest to this.

PDP is an evil Party I cant imagine any party worse than it to the people of the SW.

How can a party empower Adedibu? How can a party bring Alao Akala, Oyinlola, OGD to rule people? EVen Agagu, Fayose and Oni to rule? PDP is a shame, a disgrace All our Ancestors, Oduduwa, Shago, Orunmila, Awolowo, Akintola should not sleep till all the those who foisted the PDP on us are punished AMIN ASHE EDUMARE!!!!!!

Imagine what the PDP did to us


ACN is the best thing to have happened to people of the SW

Now compare

Oyo Alao-Akala   vs Ajimobi
Ogun Olurin vs Amosun
Lagos Fashola vs Obanikoro  

Ekiti Fayose/Oni vs Fayemi?

Left to the PDP the Governors of SW should have been

Obanikoro, Alao-Akala, Olurin, Segun Oni, Omisore and Agagu.   God punish all of them

Irandiran won a je iya ku ni All their lineage would be punished

How can they prove themselves when they have not been given the chance to do so. DK, those people you mentioned are OBJ boys and not PDP as a party. AS I have posted before on this forum, the situation of SW PDP is very complex right now especially after the election.

Ever since 2010, the SW PDP have been divided into fractions which are the Bode George fraction and the OBJ fraction.

Since we cannot afford to waste the next four years, we must devise effective means of impeaching or recalling errant politicians in between elections. Pressure groups have to come together to define the minimum they will accept from these new leaders and monitor their progress closely.

Governors Fashola, Oshiomhole, Mimiko, Fayemi, and Aregbesola have demonstrated what focused leadership can achieve within a short period of time. These leaders must be supported, but kept on their toes so that they can continue to do well. We must not accept anything less than what Governor Fashola did in his first term in office, from any of the other governors in the Southwest, relative to their available resources. In his second term, Governor Fashola must show further stellar achievements that will be worthy of emulation by the other governors.

Very good statements

Gbawe:
1 Aside Oshiomhole and Fashola , no ACN Governor has had appreciable time in office for anyone to judge their leadership efficacy or lack thereof. I know you have a soft spot for the PDP but that should not lead you to be unfair or partisan in the parameters you use to judge others just because the PDP Governors failed woefully when given the time and resources to make a difference.


2 First and foremost , each ACN Governor should seek to reform political practices in their respective States that has placed the treasury and instrument of Governance at the private use of the PDP. That alone will 'plug' a lot of holes and release a lot of erstwhile looted funds for developmental use . Each governor should also seek to increase IGR (internally generated revenue) diligently with a "back to basics" policy that will ensure that potentially profitable economic activities and natural endowment (material and human) previously ignored , because of indolence and cluelessness, is developed aggressively . Tax regime and efficient collection should also recieve utmost attention.


3 Alao-Akala and OGD were very poor Governors and the writer does not malign them falsely by highlighting this fact. Besides, OBJ recruited them because of who they are i.e men of thuggish inclination with no genuine will for rapidly developing their States. This is what the excerpt below reveals.


Also, there is no way anyone can argue that Alao-Akala and OGD performed better than Tinubu with OBJ vengefully doing everything in his power to "finish" Tinubu. Eko Atlantic City, BRT , the efficient deployment of the PPP model (private-public partnership), the notion of aggressively increasing IGR and other laudable initiatives and policy thinking were concieved under Tinubu. You should show us something genuinely innovative and original , worth emulating, that Alao-Akala and OGD did in their respective States. No one will say both never did anything good at all but , overall , they were mediocre and not especilally visionary.

4 With what you write above you show that you fall into the category of those who do not appreciate that some see Tinubu as a neccessary evil with how they are not averse to highlighting his flaws while simultaneously acknowledging what is good about the man. This is what this writer does also. He even speaks of the corruption that has made Tinubu rich alongside praising the former Governor for his effort to free the SW of the rapacious PDP.

@ 1

I agree with you but lets be watching them. All I am just trying to point out is that south-west people should not be conjoined in the euphoria that ACN is the best thing that has ever happened to us. I wish our new leaders the best of luck.

@ 2

refer to DK's post

@ 3

Alao-Akala and OGD are not by any chance the best governor in SW but project like BRT, Eko Atlantic etc should not be credited to Tinubu. Gbawe I know you are an ACN man and know some ACN people. Can you ask them why they wanted to impeach Fashola last year because all the glory was going to Fashola insisted of Tinubu.

@ 4

I apologise for ignoring the bolded part. PDP is not an evil party as you imagined it to be. If Funsho William had not been killed he would have been the governor today and I bet he might have even done better than Fashola. I admire Fashola a lot don't get me wrong.

jason123:
Step1 is a PDP man. Its gonna be difficult to convince him ooo!

No Jason, No matter how much of a PDP supporter I am I can still be convinced provided the person in question gives me facts and not sentiments.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=681443.msg8442697#msg8442697 date=1307036913]Most ACN Governors just got the fraudulent PDP governors removed late last year, we are still watching them.[/quote]Yes lets hope they don't disappoint


[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=681443.msg8442697#msg8442697 date=1307036913]Very good point.

I'm not a fan of free Education beyond Junior high myself, but I don't mind if we subsidize Trade and technical education for those who can't afford to go beyond Junior Secondary school. Especially if we want to attract semi-skilled manufacturing jobs, everybody can't be a scholar.

We need to find a way to leverage our population and compete with a lot of those manufacturing business like they do in China

Free Education should be contingent on the availability of funds, we need to get businesses moving in the SW region for us to afford that kind of policy.[/quote]DK's tax idea is not bad at all.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=681443.msg8442697#msg8442697 date=1307036913]I'm sorry, this is not correct, Fashola is doing well but Tinubu was responsible for laying the foudation. Even the BRT people praise Fashola for today was started by Bola Tinubu.

The Lagos Central Business District rejuvenation idea was a Tinubu Project. Tinubu is not a very likeable politician on the internet, But his stewardship and vision trumps that of OGD, Akala and Oyinlola combined

When Tinubu presented an unknown Fashola to the people of Lagos, many people including myself thought he was crazy. Today, he's been vindicated.

If he did, he should be investigated and jailed like Bode George.[/quote]Yes correct again, I was actually in support of Funsho Williams then but as faith had it he was killed by someone who did not want him to win. The only reason Tinubu is still supported is because of Fashola. I remember him after winning still calling Bode and other PDP leaders Egbon even though they were on opposite sides. Now that is a leader.

dayokanu:
How many ACN governors have spent 1yr in charge never mind 4yrs. Fayemi and Aregbesola have spent less than 6 months iirc

Ok take a look at Oshomole, what has he done for his state

dayokanu:
Taxes. You dont enjoy amenities and development without taxes. No country developed without taxation. And this include people who are non southwesterners as well Anyone who lives in the SW would enjoy the developmets and also pay the tax

Very correct and interesting point. Lagos state is most like likely to have the best tax system in the south-west as it is right now. Now in Lagos state, how many people pay tax ?.

dayokanu:
Performed better than Tinubu? really? You must be kidding. Forget that Lagis state funds was seized by another demonic progidal b@5t@rd from the SW. When you make comments try to reason it through. How many states in Nigeria would survive 2 months without allocation never mind a yr and above that OBJ did to lagos.

Please don't try to justify the reason why Tinubu was one of the worst Lagos state governor. How much is Federal allocation when compare to the IGR lagos have every year. Don't compare Lagos (a country's economic centre) to other states.

dayokanu:
Tinubu has been out of power for more than 4yrs No one, No govt agency, No body has found him guilty of corrupt enrichment. Except laggards on the pages of the internet

LOL. Ribadu that held his document was in the deceived to think he would have won SW with Tinubu behind him. Also Jonathan and EFCC can not say anything because of the help he THINK he got from tinubu. Tinubu is a criminal lets not deceive ourselves

Gbawe, this is an interesting write up but there are many faults in his reasoning.

1 The writer was saying "We must not accept anything less than what Governor Fashola did in his first term in office, from any of the other governors in the Southwest, relative to their available resources. In his second term, Governor Fashola must show further stellar achievements that will be worthy of emulation by the other governors." . Now the writer should tell us what other ACN governors have done in the SW apart from Fashola in Lagos.

2 The writer was also talking about free education, free this free that. How would ACN achieve this when everyone from all part of the country are flooding into Lagos and other SW states. Would ACN also care for non-Southwesterners by given then free education etc.

3 The writer is biased by insulting Alao-Akala and OGD. This were governors that performed way better than Tinubu in Lagos .

4 Did the Writer take into account the embezzled money Tinubu stole to build his hotel estate etc

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=663772.msg8438227#msg8438227 date=1306981953]Do you know the difference between tattoos and tribal marks?

Never read from any documentary, never heard from any Yoruba person, never seen older Yoruba generation with any kind of tattoo.[/quote]There are tattoos in yoruba most especially in Ekiti and Ondo. In Ekiti there is a lizard tattoo on royalty's abdomen (belly).

mbatuku2:
I[b] know you're trying to make them feel among, but they dont. And personally I dont believe they do.
[/b]
I'm not saying Yorubas and Igbos are not cool in the real world. Three generations of my family have lived in Lagos, with some born and bred there, so minus the cold wars sometimes I think everything is fine in general.

To be honest I don't know where you are going to with this. My friend they are not trying to feel among because they are part and parcel of Lagos just like any other yoruba.

The cold war only occurs on internet sites like Nairaland where both groups have a misunderstanding which my be because of the inability to express ones self properly when typing. I am sure if I meet likes of Ezeuche and co, we would be close friends despite the insult we have given each other. Lol

My friend, even on the internet let us try to stop insulting each other. Igbos and Yorubas are like brothers and should learn to make civil discussion and talk to each other without animosity.

mbatuku2:
Fine. Quite understandable that there were some little mixture here and there. The fact that some Ijebus fall into Lagos does not give every Ijebu a claim to Lagos. The same principle applies to the other Egba groups.

My friend an Ijebu man has as much right to claim Lagos as an Awori man and so is an Egba man. There is not principle here. I think Yorubas are cool with Igbos in general, it is just some people on this forum that are giving a wrong impression about our relationship with igbos.

The reason I posted this is to explain to you why they can claim Lagos as well. Awori is the mixture of this groups including Egba.

mbatuku2 this is the history of Awori. I am posting this so you can understand what I am talking about

Awori country in general is made up of countries of varieties of Awori sub-groups. Some of which have no direct migratory history with Ile-Ife and whose sentimental attachment to Oduduwa and Awori cultural values is a product of cultural adaptation and secondary affinity. The bulk of the Awori kingdoms in Lagos State are products of mixed breed as they considerably intermarried with the Egun, Ilaje, Egba, Brazilian, Sierrialeoneans and other groups. Some of the Awori communities are product of many layers of migrations, while affinal relationship, need for political independence and prosperity in economic activities often induced most of the migrations.


http://cefolassaocoed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64&Itemid=72&showall=1

mbatuku2:
Those are just settlement by early migrants. Same thing as Ijesatedo. That does not make them indigenous. They were most likely given lands(or stole them) by the real owners.

Ok Who are the real owners then ?

mbatuku2:
Which part of Lagos are Egbas indigenous lagosians?

Like I said before, what I cant stand is folks from Ogun, Oyo, Osun, Ondo, Ekiti, Kwara-Kogi, etc claiming to be lagosians.

Abule-Egba was an Egba settlement among others.

Why can't you stand them  is it just because they claim to be Lagosians.

Ngodigha:
Yet in Port Harcourt, you hardly see any non indigene claming Port Harcourt, Enugu, Aba, Onitsha etc. But almost every Yoruba from Hinterland claims Lagos state as his state of origin. Why are they ashamed of their states?.

As I said earlier, all yorubas are indigenes of Lagos if they want to be. There is nothing seperating an Awori man from an Egba man. In Lagos alone, we have 5 indigenous yoruba groups which are Egba, Awori, Egun, Ijebu and Ilaje. Among this 5 groups Awori and Ijebu are the largest in Lagos but someone from another ethnic group cannot differentiate between these 5 groups easily. I would give you an example

One day I was in Lagos and I was asked by my very close friend who happen to be igbo. He asked me if I was a Lagosian or just another yoruba as some of you quote it. I laughied so hard that day and asked him how can he differentiate. He told me that if I was Awori, then I am a Lagosian but if I was different then I am not a Lagosian. I actually found this surprising and then I asked him again " How would he know if I was Awori or not". He said he thinks I am Awori because of my father etc. Yes he got it right but what if my father is not in that position how would he have known ?

To cut the long story short, the states are just imaginary lines to demarcate people to be governed that's all, nothing more nothing less.

Tinubu is as Ijesha man but he was the governor of the state thus he can make claims to be an indigene of the state. Likewise if an Oyo man can do the same, well it is all good so long as he does well for the state.

Most Igbos and SS people also claim to be lagosian and I personally do not see anything wrong with it so long as they are not in the ruling class, then we are very cool.

The situation with Port harcount, Warri etc is completely different from Lagos. This cities have different ethnic groups from the start and this ethnic groups claim different origin thus no one can lay claim to this cities. Take for example Port harcount, it has Ikwerri, Ijaw, Ogoni, etc.

mbatuku2:
They can go and claim their states, then we'll be cool.

Why are they ashamed of their origin?

Not really, I don't think anyone is ashamed of their origin. As I said earlier, it all has to do with taking pride in each others success. In the Yorubaland it is a known fact that Ekiti people are smart, Ijebu people are very good with finance and business, Egba and Ijesha people hold the politics, Ondo and Awori people provide Oil among other things, Oyo, Kogi west and Kwara are more or less the war like people. To cut the long sorry short their origin is Odudua and not ogun or ekiti and I think as long as their is still Yorubaland their will be no state of origin in the SW.

Please my friend, this site might make you hate some yoruba elements but try to control yourself and not take them serious. Lagos and Port harcount is a testament to what Yoruba and Igbos can do together if they cooperate and work together without mistrust.

mbatuku2:
I'm cool with aworis, but I have a beef with the other yorubas. They are a bunch of loud-mouths, always claiming Lagos as if they dont have their irrelevant 'abule' where they come from.

My friend, hate will not take us anywhere all it will cause is conflict and mistrust. Other yorubas can also be considered as Aworis and likewise Aworis can be considered as other Yorubas. Each Yoruba clan/group take pride in each others success. So please my friend, do not use the website to judge the "other yorubas".