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OnknownSoldier:
The doctrine that forbade women from wearing trousers is most common among Christian denominations of black descent. These denominations believe that women who wear trousers go against Deuteronomy 22:5 and in doing that will end up in hell for sure. Standing in contrast with this view are other Christian sects who believe that God is only interested in the intent of the heart and not bodily appearance. They further argue that trousers were never part of the garments in the Bible and, therefore, can not be bound by the law of Moses.

Now, this article is not to further reecho the popular defenses for or against this controversial doctrine but to carefully analyze the true position of the scriptures from a perspective that is less talked about.

Please know that the book of Deuteronomy recorded the great speech that Moses gave to the Israelites as they were about to enter the land of Canaan shortly before he died on Mount Nebo. Before that time, the Israelites had countlessly turned against God despite the great signs God had shown to them in the wilderness. Moses feared that the Israelites would surely turn against God when taken away so he decided to institute laws that would keep the Israelites obedient to God [Deuteronomy 4:1].

The laws instituted by Moses are not just laws to keep the Isrealites loyal to God, they also serve as a constitution for justice- a constitution that will help promote a peaceful coexistence among the Isrealites. For example, Deuteronomy 15:1-3 talks about the guidelines for cancelling debts. Deuteronomy 15:12-18 enumerated the procedures for freeing a slave. Please read Deuteronomy 17:8-13 for a clearer understanding.

It is very important to note that the verse 5 of Deuteronomy 22 that reads, “A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this” is not standing in isolation. Therefore any other law in the same chapter must be treated with the same regards. Failure to do this is simply being mischievous. No one should cherry-pick the law of God according to his convenience. All the laws should be equally regarded.

Verse 22 of the same chapter 22 says, “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.” Now, how come those who believe in verse 5 of the same chapter turn a blind eye to verse 22? Is this a possible oversight or are they implying that this has never happened in their congregation before?

Verse 9-12 reads, “Do not plant two kinds of seed in your vineyard; if you do, not only the crops you plant but also the fruit of the vineyard will be defiled. Do not plow with an ox and a donkey yoked together. Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.” Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear.”

‭‭No one obviously follows the above laws anymore, not even those who hold tightly to verse 5. It may interest you to note that Moses gave a law that a rebellious son be stoned to death in the chapter before 22 while he was still speaking [Deuteronomy 21:18-21]. I can go on and on and on to show that the advocates of Deuteronomy 22:5 only handpicked a few laws of Moses and then neglected the rest.

I boldly put it to anybody that the laws of Moses were not all from God, some were purely formulated according to his personal discretion [Matthew 19:8]. To be exact, most of those laws were fashioned according to the culture and peculiarities of the ancient Israelites, therefore, they no longer have a place in today's modern world.

Let's go to Hebrews 7 to see the New Testament position on the law of Moses. Verse 11-12 reads, “If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.” Read that again. In fact, verse 19 is even more brutal, it reads, “The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.”

In conclusion, I believe that anyone who still holds firm to the law of Moses is either a Judaist or hasn't caught the revelation of the New Testament covenant. The New Testament Christians are not obligated to the law of Moses as it has been annulled by the new covenant occasioned by the death of Christ on the cross. So It is scripturally inconsistent for anyone who still practices Deuteronomy 22:5 not to obey all the laws of Moses to the letter.

Your presentation in the cloth of argument is purely fallacious and lacks merit as it is based on "if you keep this (Deut and if you do not keep that'"

If you like scream that The Law God gave to Moses is annulled, it is of no effect because, it is only The LawMaker who has a right to repeal and amend The Law.

And there is no place where God Said The Laws He gave to Moses, is repealed and expunged.

Rather Christ clearly Said "Keep The Commandments"! Mathew 19:17

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Daddyboy21:
They brought the Religion to us, they brought the bible to us, the same Bible which says thou shall not kill nor steal, they killed us, they stole our gold and Mineral resources, sold us to slavery. The once who brought this religion to us are not even practicing the religion their selves. Not like Muslims who are still deeply immersed and buried in Jihad. Is this thing really true because what I noticed in white men is that if the give you a pair of shoe they want to collect your legs in return, if they give you a necklace, they want your neck in return. I have worked with them for 11years now and I know them in and out. today we are serving the people who are supposed to serve us. About this Christianity, Your father did not tell you the truth cos his father did not tell him the truth. Even the original manuscript of the Bible, so many things are not included in what king James translated to English (king James version). I stopped paying tithe along time ago but give 10 percent of my salary to begers and ways are now opening like never before. How do we know the truth?

I don't understand, even your parents did they not do the same they said you should not do?

So are you not aware that we live in a world where people say right and do left?

The Truth is that you know the Trutb and the right thing to do, but you are going to do whatever you like even if it is not right!

Only a mad person answers a mad persons mad questions!

Expanse2020:
So is only Christianity that used bible
What of the Jews didn't they used it Abi the most of it were not relinquish to them...

Why are you pouring ur Tinubu frustration on me...

See how you are proving that you are truly a serpent and child of Satan with your lyngs and change of posts? Did i say "Christianity that used bible?

You are just a frustrated muslim devil looking for fools to join you to burn hell fire,.

Natbrowny:
Omo see the thing pain you. God sees everything but didnt see satan deceiving his creations

Creation stories dat was told to you and u believed. Mayn na u witness am. Feel free to educate us on that. Bring it on

See it! You have no answer but to change post.

Expanse2020:
Point to where abuse you or I mentioned a christian in my sentence

See how you are proving that you are truly a serpent and child of Satan?

Who else is this statement referrring to? Who else owns the bible?
Is it to atheists or budhist or to your muslim people?

"What you are looking for I bet you can't find it in the bible...all this small small boys will only be talking as an orientalist.. talking from Thier stupid mentality or head"

Expanse2020:
If you have answer to the question share it and stop being abusive...the only thing you people know is to abuse

Mr. Muslim, i answered it and it is you muslim devil who came here and abused Christians.

ReacherSaidNoth:
Because the Christian god is a hypocrite. He tells his followers, "thou shall not kill", but guess who is the greatest cause of death to innocents and guilty alike in the bible?

He also says "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you", but guess who plans to torture his own enemies forever?

The entire thing is poorly written fiction about an incompetent, insecure, blood-thirsty control freak.

Why you full of stupidity? Do you pretend not to know that "thou shalt not kill" means thou shalt not kill without good and just cause?

Or are you too stupid not to see that "thou shalt not kill is for our own benefit?

And of course is it not just that a person who kills, should be killed, so who else can justly enforce this Law, and give Just is to the mursered?

Expanse2020:
What you are looking for I bet you can't find it in the bible...all this small small boys will only be talking as an orientalist.. talking from Thier stupid mentality or head

Says Satan's muslim son, a paedophile and murderer just like him.

Iamanoited:
SATAN HASN'T DONE NOTHING TO BE FORGIVEN FOR.
SATAN IS THE CHIEF ENGINEER OF GOD AND HE IS VERY PROFICIENT IN ITS RESPONSIBILITIES.

See stupidity! Yet God punishes him by throwing him into fire prison after he is arrested and taken to Court.

Brenbentondiaz:
Satan didn't need faith to relate with God, because he was with God and experienced all His majesty and power. Yet, he went against Him. That is unforgivable. It is the same reason that the Bible (I think in Hebrews) said a man that has experienced the power of God in a large way and then falls back will not be able to repent (or something like that). My thoughts, though.

Exaclty!

Natbrowny:
If God created man in his image, it means everything about God can be found in human. Both good and bad.

See how stupid you are? If God created man in his image, it means everything about God can be found in human, do you not see that God created man good, and that there was no evil in him?

If you had sense you would have seen that man only became evil "AFTER HE ATE THE FRUIT THAT BRINGS EVIL, WHICH , SATAN, THE EVIL, AND NOT GOD, THE GOID, MADE HIM EAT".

WHICH GOD, THE GOOD, ALREADY FORETOLD THEM, "DO NOT EAT"!

Yet, you stupidly say this opposites are 1.

Stupid people should not be allowed to read the bible,

kingxsamz:
That's because the story will end. It's just like how Batman needs villains to stay relevant. But in this case, the Christian god is the one creating villains for himself so he can justify certain actions of his.
It's just like how he wiped out everyone and everything with flood but refused to kiII Satan, and then allowed sin to grow so he can wipe out some more humans.
Anyways, it's just a story, not meant to be taken seriously.

See how stupid you speak? Did you not see that in the new world, there is no evil and Satan there, as God permanentlly wipes out and removes all devils like you and Satan, away from it?

DeepsightX:
You just barged in here to fling insults right? It is you who is stupid: both you and your colonial religion.

The quote is there in black and white.

You barged in here insalted God on the basis of your stupid understanding of a quote in the bible, all because you are devil, a child of Satan himself.

DeepsightX:
I didnt say my words, I quoted a bible verse.

So if anything is stupid, then it is the bible.

Didn't say it was your words but you definitely cited this statement according to the stupidity of your understanding of it.

Natbrowny:
Thats not how it is.
God and Satan is the same entity playing games and testing humans.

When he is,angry...

Yet, there was no anger when satan set up Mr. and Mrs. Adam to die!

You people should keep your stupidity out of God and the bible.

titopius:
I am just curious the bible preaches about forgiveness and that we should forgive one another just has God forgives our own sin. But my question now is why has God refused to Satan ?

Did you not hear that there are unforgivable sins?

DeepsightX:
To support you -

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Stop being stupid. As water cannot be both oil and Eva water, so can no person be both good and evil, whixh is why we cannot serve 2 Masters like,a person cannot serve both APC and PDP.

zumbigbo:
After castigating one group, you just jump like a harlot into every group.

See how you are truly speaking like a zombie igbo just because i mentioned that we see and know that you ibos wickedness.

Ganjafama:
Wickedness has got nothing to do with tribe. It is a personal thing.

Very correct just that this personal wickedness has spread and grown to house levels, family levels, street levels, area levels, place levels (eg Mbaise, Esan, Orok), tribe levels, state levels, country levels, colour levels.

Raycelove:
8 Important ways to live a successful life as Christians.

Here are 8 ways to live a successful life as Christians.
1)You must believe in Jesus Christ as the Lord of your life and received the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
2) By studying and meditating on the scriptures to attain success in our work...

This is very funny.

You are not a christian if a person does not already believe in Christ, he is not yet a christian and therefore is not ready for the walk on living the christian life succesfully.

And this cannot happen without the not-christian reading the bible.

BarrElChapo:
Well true but also what is the norm may not also be right as customs and traditions sometimes evolve.

What is the norm was right till people evolved it and made it wrong.

BarrElChapo:
Thank you for this your comment. Obviously it’s a gray area and we both know it would be very difficult for most families to agree to it.

When the time is right he might have a change of heart of heart or like I told him marry a lady from the west.

As you can see, multitudes complied with natural law marriage even though some families were wicked, so its no grey area really but just a matter of if your intending is worth the wickedness.

BarrElChapo:
Let’s leave the reasons, I know he expects this backlash I just want to know if it’s something no one has done before.

From the lack of responses here you can see no one escaped it.

I think your friend is being silly for being a Christian has to do with living a full of doing the good and avoidance of doing the evil.

And basically marriage requires that you take the consent of the parents of your intending partner, which means any and every rellevant person in the family of your intending, must be regarded, honoured and respected which is the basis of traditional narriage.

So your friend should properly channel his objection as we know that the only valid objection against traditional marriage is its abuse by wicked and evil familees

FRANCISTOWN:
...As I think about life, I realize that. [b]The weak will reap the evil consequences(fruits) of the strong while the strong will reap the good and sweet consequences(fruits) of the weak...

Another self deceiving post. You are trying too hard to keep depression and torments away by trying to psyche yourself with strenght

But its only temporary. Nothing you'll do will ever work. You are not the first to be punished for his evils!

Auxtan:
I agree with you that the world is so crazy and unpredictable.

The girl I dated for 3 years, I ensured I built her to my taste as she's the person I wanted to marry.

I encouraged her to learn skills outside what she's studying in school, I paid part of her catering and crafts training where she learnt how to make different chops and bakes.

I also told her to learn a digital skill, of which she chose video editing and I paid for her training in full.

Our relationship ended in the course of her completing the video editing training.

Now she's with a new guy in less that 2 months of our breakup and is now utilising the video editing training I paid for her training in creating contents online and she's really doing good at it.

All of my dreams of creating my own quality woman is now another guy's gain. He's basically gonna reap where he didn't invest 😂

This made me accept what they say, women think with their emotions and not their brain.

Yeah, like you have never wasted another person's effort.

YoungLionken:
I pity those who (still) believe in so called karma. A lot of people did shi and got away with it, but go to prison and see many innocents being accused of crimes they didn't even commit...

So going to prison is the only way of punishing a person eh?

Jesse1991:
Op you are a smart man, but marriage shouldn't be avoided. The smart thing to do is to follow Hakimi example, make her regret ever cheating on you as she won't get anything from the divorce.
As for those saying women deserve to cheat because men cheated first, they fail to do half of what men do in a marriage but want equal right.

The problem with women today is accountability, they want to eat, but don't want to work for it. I have said it before, a robot is better than 21st century women, at least 98% of them

It's you men who taught them. Do you remember these threads?

https://www.nairaland.com/640696/being-good-girl-not-get#8067732

https://www.nairaland.com/1501707/why-men-takes-good-girls#19249815

https://www.nairaland.com/1159164/stay-there-forming-good-girl#13785382

So, your prayers have now being answered and now you people are wailing and complaining. Abeg make una no dey disturb neighbourhood with una cry na wetin una plant na im una dey chop.

FRANCISTOWN:
You wish.

Your endless lamentations and hatred for women has already exposed you.

idahme:
Anyone who says otherwise is IGBO , I am not IGBO neither I am from hausa nor Yoruba. When someone criticize you the next thing you mention is IGBO, IGBOs must be very important to live rent free in your head.

See liar. You are more igboitic that than Rochas okorocha and your head is full of igbo weed else you would have seen i simply responded to someone who pointed out that this wickedness the op raised is seen among ibos. And i even stated all tribes are guilty of it anyway, but ibo racist evil eye would not let you see it.

MrBrownJay1:
why are you changing the subject...?! plastic surgery has very little to do with how women today dress. some women have no tittays and no nyansh and still dress that way...some women are naturally endowed and dress this way.... some women use push-up bras and padded panties and dress this way.... why do you automatically (wrongly) ASSUME that the sole reason for women dressing this way is because of plastic surgery?! you make NO DAMN SENSE!

as someone just asked: what about when men do hair transplant, for beauty purposes...is that wrong too?

You are the one pretending not to see all the surgical perfect boobs and nyash and bodies prancing about which nature never created.

Re:Peter's head, it is definitely wrong too and we all know that.

Mezigo:
This is truth 💯
I used to say this to some women who claim to be equal to men and can always cheat back.

You are living in the past man and in your ignorance else you should have known and remembered that this day was gonna come for the Truth you knew was that men are women are truly equal but because woman was the first to cheat is why you men then had the right to cheat.

https://www.nairaland.com/8069921/another-proof-eves-adultery-mens#129580640

But you people have finally messed it up and abused your right, so now the right has returned to the women.