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@ishmael, how bodi? God no go gree for any wahala wey Hausa Muslim men go start again!

@GIjane,

GIjane:
she infected an innocent man Godwin Asemotan who died in UBTH with aids. . . Godwin was helping her to get out, but she stole all his student money disappeared and now we know she is in Italy.

What exactly was Godwin doing with (or 'to') her - how did he get infected with aids from her? What was he doing in the so-called "help" he was offering her. . . perhaps with his zippers down?

I think it is way off-key to castigate people the way you've attempted here, regardless what you feel might be offensive to you. Do you have a personal axe to grind with her? And is this the best you could do about it?

lafile:
Do spirits die?

I like short, pointed answers (even if they're given in question form).

bodsibobo:
And to all of you who have condemned the bible, or God or going to church, what has come over you all that you raise and discuss this kind of topics on this forum?

Please ask them.   

But, "the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits." (Daniel 11:32) - my meditation this morning! 

@Bobbyaf,

Bobbyaf:
John
"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day." Rev. 1:10 (Mark 2:28, Isa.58:13, Ex.20:10, Clearly show the Sabbath to be the Lord's day).

Those verses do not teach that the seventh-day Sabbath had become the Lord's Day of Rev. 1:10.

Bobbyaf:
Josephus
"There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the Barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come!" M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries on China and Japan" (edited by Dennys), Vol 4, Nos 7, 8, p.100.

Josephus was a Jewish historian, and not a Christian; so he wasn't writing as a Christian when he made reference to "our custom"!!

Bobbyaf:
Philo
Declares the seventh day to be a festival, not of this or of that city, but of the universe. M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries," Vol. 4, 99

Did Philo mention the seventh day festival as a Christian rite?

Bobbyaf:
The early christians according to historical writers showed that the sabbath was kept until the time before the decree against it, by the Roman authorities. The question is if Jesus or His disciples had given a command to cease from keeping that institution, then why would early christians after the death of Christ continue to keep it?

What "Roman authorities" are you talking about, Bobbyaf? People who know very little about Christian history have always sought to parade this shoddy idea without carefully checking with the historical antecedence. Please don't try to cheat your readers; and here is an excerpt of an article in the Encyclopedia Brittannica (15th Ed., Vol. 11, pg. 392):

Sunday, first day of the week; in Christianity, the Lord's Day, the weekly memorial of Jesus Christ's
resurrection from the dead. The practice of Christians gathering together for worship on Sunday dates
back to apostolic times, but details of the actual development of the custom are not clear. Before the
end of the 1st Century AD, the author of Revelation gave the first day its name of the "Lord's Day"
(Rev. 1:10). Saint Justin Martyr (c. 100-c. 165), philosopher and defender of the Christian faith, in his
writings described the Christians gathered together for worship on the Lord's Day: the gospels or the
Old Testament was read, the presiding minister preached a sermon, and the group prayed together and
celebrated the Lord's Supper. The emperor Constantine (d. 337), a convert to Christianity, introduced the
first civil legislation concerning Sunday in 321, when he decreed that all work should cease on Sunday,
except that farmers could work if necessary. This law, aimed at providing time for worship, was followed
later in the same century and in subsequent centuries by further restrictions on Sunday activities.


However, before even the birth of Emperor Constantine, church fathers who lived and wrote earlier on Church history have stated clearly that Sunday was being observed by Christians. There are several translations of the early Church Fathers' writings; but the gists are the same in substance.

Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch in Syria wrote in his epistle to the Magnesians (c. A.D. 110):

8. Do not be led astray by those erroneous teachings and ancient fables which are utterly worthless. Indeed,
if at this date we still conform to Judaism, then we own that we have not received grace. Why, the Prophets,
those men so very near to God, lived in conformity with Christ Jesus. . .

9. Consequently, if the people who were given to obsolete practices faced the hope of a new life, and if these
no longer observe the Sabbath, but regulate their calendar by the Lord's Day, the day, too, on which our Life rose
by His power and through the medium of His death--though some deny this; and if to this mystery we owe our
faith and because of it submit to sufferings to prove ourselves disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Teacher: how,
then, can we possibly live apart from Him of whom, by the working of the Spirit, even the Prophets were disciples
and to whom they looked forward as their Teacher? And so He, for whom they rightly waited, came and raised them
from the dead.

10.  . . .It is absurd to have Jesus Christ on the lips, and at the same time live like a Jew.

Justin Martyr (c. 100-165 A.D.) in his First Apology of Justin, Chapter 67 wrote:

"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place,
and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; . . .
But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which
God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior
on the same day rose from the dead."

Eusebius writing in his Ecclesiatical History, Book 1, Chapter 5 (c. A.D. 315) stated:

For as the name Christians is intended to indicate this very idea, that a man, by the knowledge and
doctrine of Christ, is distinguished by modesty and justice, by patience and a virtuous fortitude, and
by a profession of piety towards the one and only true and supreme God; all this no less studiously
cultivated by them than by us. They did not, therefore, regard circumcision, nor observe the Sabbath,
neither do we; neither do we abstain from certain foods, nor regard other injunctions, which Moses
subsequently delivered to be observed in types and symbols, because such things as these do not
belong to Christians."

The same Eusebius wrote earlier in A.D. 312:

"They did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we. They did not care about
observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they
regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as
symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things" (Church History 1:4:8 ).

You can see, Bobbyaf, that before the "Roman authorities" did anything about Sunday, early Christians were holding their worship on such days. You can't cheat on Church history; and I'd advise that you calmly go back and humble yourself before God so that your eyes may be opened to His Word on this subject.

Christians are not Jews; and any Christian wanting to enslave themselves by the Sabbath Law is bound to observe that Law strictly with its divine stipulations expressly given in the OT. If you cannot do so, please make no excuses for the so-called "exemptions" the SDA has conveniently made out for itself in order to rebel against the commandment of God!

@Bobbyaf,

Bobbyaf:
Purpose of God's commands
God's Word tells us that His commandments are never burdensome (1John 5:3). They are not meaningless or arbitrary. They were given to humanity in love from a God of infinite wisdom and knowledge (Isaiah 55:8,9). They were given to be a benefit to mankind, bringing blessings when obeyed (Deuteronomy 4:40; 5:29,33). These commandments include God's Sabbath. It is a day of rest and refreshing, given to man by the One who designed and created mankind. It is a time for physical, emotional and spiritual renewal.

God knew that we would need this time to nurture and strengthen a right relationship with Him. Part of the Sabbath command reads, "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, " God tells us to take care of our ordinary work and concerns on the other six days, leaving our time and our minds free to properly worship and obey Him by observing the Sabbath. When we are free to focus our minds and thoughts on God's way and purpose, the Sabbath truly becomes the blessing and delight God intends it to be (Isaiah 58:13,14).

On this seventh day of each week, we should cease from our own work and allow God to work in us, building and nourishing our relationship with our Creator.

Jesus
"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read." Luke 4:16

Jesus
"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:16-17

Jesus
"But pray ye that your flight be not in winter, neither on the Sabbath day." Matthew 24:20.
Jesus asked his disciples to pray that in the flight from the doomed city of Jerusalem they would not have to flee on the Sabbath day. This flight took place in 70 A.D. (40 years after the Cross).

His Followers
"And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Luke 23:56

Paul
"And Paul, as his manner was went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures" Acts 17:2

Paul And Gentiles
"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. And the next Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the Word of God." Acts 13:42, 44.

Here we find Gentiles in a Gentile city gathering on the Sabbath. It was not a synagogue meeting in verse 44, for it says almost the whole city came together, verse 42 says they asked to hear the message the "next Sabbath."

Please go back and calmly read these links:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34371.128.html#msg858472

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34371.128.html#msg858475

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34371.128.html#msg860463

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34371.128.html#msg860468

You might find them helpful. Cheers.

@Bobbyaf,

Bobbyaf:
I didn't check the link so I would not have known I made that statement, but in any case it was made within context. I need not go over what was already discussed and explained by me.

I knew you didn't bother to check the link - I said so earlier. You just seem to be in the habit of arguing issues without a humble spirit to learn.

Bobbyaf:
I need not go back to the law of the sabbath to fully explain in what context that law was given, unless of course you can explain why God would deliberately give a sabbath that was meant to be difficult to keep, rather than being a blessing as it was intended from day one. Thats yours to explain.

My position on this was clear from the onset - the Sabbath Law was not made for Christians. So, it's not in my place to argue for the Sabbath; rather it's yours, since that has been your arguement all along. That's the one reason why you refused to read issues carefully, or even care to visit the links offered.

Bobbyaf:
God designed that its observance should designate them as His worshipers. It was to be a token of their separation from idolatry, and their connection with the true God.

The Sabbath was not the distinguishing feature that seperated true worshippers from idolaters in the OT. The one thing God set to distinguish the OT saints was circumcision - Gen. 17:11 & Deut. 30:6. An outward observance of the Sabbath did not distinguish an idolater from a saint.

Bobbyaf:
But in order to keep the Sabbath holy, men must themselves be holy. Through faith they must become partakers of the righteousness of Christ. When the command was given to Israel, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy," the Lord said also to them, "Ye shall be holy men unto Me." Ex. 20:8; 22:31. Only thus could the Sabbath distinguish Israel as the worshipers of God.

Again, the Sabbath was not the distinguishing factor that marked out Israel as worshippers of God. There were others who knew God and yet had no law of a sabbath, such as Moses' father-in-law Jethro the priest of Midian. The Law was specifically ordained unto Israel (Deut. 5:2-3); and that same Law had the Sabbath and its stipulations as highglighted earlier. No other nation had the Sabbath Law instituted unto them; and yet there were non-Israelites who knew God and had their own priesthood.

Bobbyaf:
Its easy for anyone to quote the law of the sabbath, with a pharasaical intention, but quite another thing to understand the context in which true sabbath keeping lines up with its objective.

Yep, that's true - and you just describe yourself.

Bobbyaf:
I don't believe so! Jesus kept the sabbath and He did good on the sabbath. He healed the sick on the sabbath, but not once did He fail to show by example how the true purpose of the sabbath was to be fulfilled. He said it was lawful to do good on the sabbath, meaning that the sabbath still had its purpose and that apart from worshiping and resting on that day in question, one could still reflect that purpose in doing good, even if it means expending some degree of energy.

Jesus' intention was not to work as a "rpofessional" on the Sabbath. Going to work on the Sabbath is concomitant to earning money for your pocket! So please don't try to wrap your excuse around Jesus' intention to make your secular job excusable.

Bobbyaf:
What would we attempt to prove by closing our hospitals on the sabbath? What would a SDA doctor prove if he didn't attend to a sick person while in church service, if such a person became ill? What if such a doctor had to take that sick individual to a hospital, and would it make a difference if we used our own hospital?

It makes all the difference because the SDA fails to observe the Sabbath according to its stipulations. The one thing your doctors are proving is their pocket, and not their sabbath observation.

Bobbyaf:
We have SDAs working in these areas but normally they are given exemption from working during sabbath hours.

A fine way of excusing SDAs while seeking to make the Sabbath strigent unto others. There's no excuse for exemptions in the Law of the Sabbath.

Bobbyaf:
Its not as difficult as you're making it out to be. SDAs are taught right from wrong. If one finds himself in a career that forces him to have to choose between being obedient to God or man, then its time to go find another profession or job. SDAs have a choice like anyone else. If some fail to obey God rather than man then its up to them and their God.

As long as you make exemptions for your SDA 'professionals' where the Sabbath Law makes no exemptions, that is disobedience to God. Period.

Bobbyaf:
I wonder who instituted the sabbath, God or the SDA church? Just listen to yourself how ridiculous you can get. Besides, you dare not challenge God's truth for it always wins, but you're welcome to try but bear in mind you will fail.

Your threats are comical. Your SDA fallacies have been challenged by bari_kade who exposed them in the light of God's truth; and up until now you have had no answers to even one of his 15 questions.

Bobbyaf:
I am not that easily fooled. Neither you nor barikade have defended yourself in a manner thats worth it. Rather than insult I'd prefer if you show humility and a contrite heart, and only then will you begin to learn truth from error. A proud heart has no space for knowledge of God's truth for this time.

You often fold your tails between your legs and whimper like a child when your own games are applied to you. You don't get acrid in your discussions and expect other discussants to pay you a chief's respect, do you? When you drop your pride, then your eyes will be open to the conceit being paraded in the SDA.

Bobbyaf:
Of course your understanding of those stipulations, and the context in which they were given is yet to be demonstrated. Merely quoting some text from the OT in order to escape the larger reality of sabbath truth, won't help neither in the short or long term. You have a lot to learn, but mark my words you will one way or the other.

I've hinted earlier that it's not my intention to reharsh a well-rounded debate here as from the other thread. The contexts, stipulations and insight on the subject have been hugely demonstrated there. Instead of making lazy statements here, if you care, please either go there and answer bari_kade's 15 questions; or answer them here!

Bobbyaf:
But you still haven't answered the question about how God is dealing with adultery and homosexuality today have you? In the OT the sin of adultery, bestiality, homosexuality, and sabbath breaking were all punishable by death. The fact that God isn't striking down anyone dead in this day and age should tell you something, shouldn't it?

It only tells me that the Sabbath Law is not applicable to Christians.

Bobbyaf:
God never gave the laws to become a shackle, but a guide. The ones who were stoned back then knew better but rebelled anyway, and any open rebellion back then left unchecked in that particular circumstance would have led to more rebellion. The last thing on God's mind was to kill or destroy His people, but sin had to be kept in check.

The rebellion has become more pronounced among those who flagrantly break the Sabbath Law by ignoring its stipulations in order to make exemptions for the SDA 'professionals'.

Bobbyaf:
The stipulated laws with their attending death penalties only became a problem to a set of spiritually immature stiff-necked people.

That's true - and it precisely applies to your 'professionals'.

Bobbyaf:
Those who are obedient don't see them that way just as how SDAs don't see the sabbath as a shackle. We rejoice in the freedom that Christ has brought in helping us to understand the true purpose and blessing that God intended for the sabbath, and those who keep it respectively.

Christ did not ask Christians to observe the OT Law of the Sabbath, for He is indeed our blessed Sabbath (Matt. 11:29 & Heb. 4:10). In order to keep the OT Sabbath Law, you would have to adhere to its stipulations; and making excuses for exemptions that do not exist in that Law, is to break God's direct commandment under the guise of being a professional and earning money for your pocket!

@gbade. x,

[quote author=gbade. x link=topic=12354.msg1166704#msg1166704 date=1180905866]Exactly what does stimulus' email address have to do with the discussion at hand?[/quote]You neva dig the bobo's games and style of maradona? Small time now, as he did to Telly B, he would threaten to report me to all legal services!

He knows deep in his heart he has no answers; and the usual thing is to display how ignorant his "factology" has left him. He will continue to play this game - it is his hallmark!

Horus:
This is stimulus email address: c_lanre@yahoo.com

Applause - and yes, my name is Lanre! I'm happy to be a "black" Yoruba man.

So now, could you answer gbade. x' questions. . . or wouldest thou pour another "black venom" as thou doest??

@oyb,

Ol' boy, no make me die for laff, because that would be another form of jihad by confusion!  

The facts boil down to one thing and one thing only: there's no jihad in the career of Jesus Christ, regardless your sweated and pained effort to interpret Biblical verses as such.

# Did Jesus Christ go out to attack cities or promise damsels and booties for those who take up a jihad in His name?

# Is there any Hadith or even verse in the Qur'an that teaches that Jesus Christ went to war against people in just the same way that Muhammad did?

It is clear that Muhammad promised jannah to jihadists through the sword; so coming back to make excuses for him is only wasted effort.  

Horus:
@stimulus
F**** O**

Hehe. . . the "black" venom is now operational. Thanks bro!

Lol. . . it matters. Actually, Ethiopians are Jews; and the "facts" have been skewed to dupe ignorant Africans like him.

@gbade. x,

Don't mind the retardus; he's escaped his museum and is at it again!

He won't answer your questions because he's run out of cut and paste jokes from his kolo-factory! Afterall, he did say that English was one of his nightmares!

@oyb,

oyb:
@ stimulus
.see the big big grammer!!!! mogbe! wey my dictionary?

Abi na lie I lie?  

oyb:
if you reflect, you will realise i am replying to your friends' slander.(the best form of defense is offense).

That's why I'm trying to apply that same defence mechanism; although I'm not out to be offensive.  

oyb:
i do not go out of my way to slander anyone's religion, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Yep, and that's why I see the gooses and gander on your side of the fence roasting with tabaco sauce!  

oyb:
in any event one davidlyan/nossycheek(clear that log from your eye!) equals 4 oybs!.

Really? Hehe. . . you're so agitated that you must've spelt "davidylan" in a mix up (no let am catch you sha!)  

oyb:
as to men and women praying in the mosque, (this is not from islamic scholars, but from me, before davidlan starts trying to cite thia as a quote from muslim scholars)

Hmmm. . . who really is a "Muslim scholar"?  

oyb:
The mosque is intended for congregrational prayer. Congregrational prayer is superior to individual prayer. As much as possible, as a muslim, you should avoid any form of distraction from your solaat.(to increase its perfection, and the certainty of it being accepted) woman and men, form distractions for each other.

That may be plausible; but in my own individual opinion as well, any man who cannot keep his heart is a sissified Milquetoast! Outside the mosques sef, the same men have been found doing what their 'kini' were patiently enduring during "reflections". So, whatever excuses they offer is untenable.  

oyb:
do you not find yourself looking /ogling classmates(of the opposite sex) in class instead of following the lectures?

I must confess that was my stock in trade before I became a Christian. Even at that, my grades were not that bad. But when I received Christ as my Lord and Saviour, those issues were no longer issues to me. I can pray with Christian women and not have to feel my thoughts wandering at all.  

oyb:
do you not find yourself doing the same thing in business meetings?

Nope; and even though many oyibos dey come our office, we can still do business without letting eyes and hearts wander!

Is this why Muslim women are not allowed to drive cars, attend schools, or go out on their own without some kind of Islamic overbearing restrictions?  

mrpataki:
But are most been allowed to use all that?

Being allowed to use cars or not does not make Muslims the highlighted name our dear doncartel gave them.

At least, I still don't know how to use a submarine; and I imagine my science pals would shake their heads in pity for my soul - if that applies. They should just allow me use one first!

Horus:
The Euro-centric Christian world knows nothing about the real Jesus (Yashua)from the Tribe of Judah, the Ethiopian who spoke Aramaic.

Lol, how the Jews were Ethiopians (or the other way round) is a "fact" for ignorant Africans! 

dominobaby:
Hope you're okay sha?

Hehe . . . I was beginning to wonder!

@olawa20,

olawa20:
@stimuli
Horus is not asking those questions for clarification or for enlightenment about God's words. He has his mind made up and he is only accusing christians. Dont weary yourself with arguments.

I take your advice on board. Thank you and may God richly bless you.

@Bobbyaf,

Bobbyaf:
I am not sure in what context this statement was made so I can't comment. As a medical professional I have performed duties in the hospitals during emergency cases. Does that make me according to you a sabbath breaker? I could have avoided altogether that kind of responsibility, but that was my choice to do good on the sabbath. There is no crime in finding yourself in a particular profession and then having to do the best you can on the sabbath. There are certain professions that are given exemptions in terms of doing a service on the sabbath. Doctors, nurses, medical technologists, firemen, etc. In the case of a fireman wouldn't it be considered legalistic if a fire broke out in an area and he sat down in church all holy and righteous, and not do something about it, especially as a fireman? One must view the coin from both sides. Not doing good on the sabbath is just as bad as sabbath breaking. That is why Jesus referred the legalistic jews to bear in mind that if an animal was in a ditch on the sabbath it should be lifted. Although work was involved in the process, that kind of work was not the work that the command highlighted.

The statement was made by you - so you should be in a better position than anyone else to understand your own context and then offer comments - which you have.

However, if you go back to the Law of the Sabbath, there was no provision made at all for any kind of work. As we have seen, the Bible clearly says that "no manner of work" should be done on the sabbath (with the possible exception of what every man may eat on that very day - "that only may be done of you", Exo. 12:16).

Going to work as a professional in healthcare is directly contravening the Law of the Sabbath, even if excuses are often made around this under the guise of "doing good". Jesus only exposed their own hypocrisy, rather than make any reference to any stipulations for the law of the Sabbath to work as a professional!

There are other professional careers that 4get_me has highlighted as well:

1. NEPA (PHCN) staff

2. transport workers

3. Police

4. Television and Radio staff

5. Airport Authorities

6. Stock Exchange Traders

7. Newspaper agencies. . . etc.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34371.192.html#msg899457

Where do you fit in these "professionals" if you can afford to find a leeway for your own health/medical professionals? Now remember that whatever excuse one may give (such as the one you offered), these would still fall under the "making and earning a living" activity - they are working for their pockets, whether professionals doing good or not! Whereas the Law says that no manner of work was to be done on the sabbath!

Bobbyaf:
You see its very easy for you to throw legalistic views against SDAs in ordr to gainsay the truth about what God requires, and in a way you don't seem to realize that its not us you're contending with, but God Himself. We didn't create the sabbath for man to keep, it was God.

In the first place, the SDA is not God; and if they've been using the Sabbath as a cover for their wrong teaching, we can challenge that. God made the Sabbath Law, and people who respect that Law will not speak slyly about it the way you did earlier: 'becasue of some text in the OT. . .' It really matters how one speaks, and not to assume or excuse oneself with the idea that others are contending with God.

Bobbyaf:
Anyone can approach the OT with a biased view, and that is exactly what you are doing now. Instead of coming with an open mind, you come looking for what you desire to see.

I came with an open mind to the Scriptures - but an alert mind against the SDA biases, thank you. If you were to drop your own biases, you would long have answered bari_kade's questions and not rather have evaded them with the same accusation you whipping up here.

Bobbyaf:
So in summmary the breaking of the sabbaath was not the only thing that merited death back then. The fact that other sins used to warrant death back then and they don't seem to be doing that today makes your point of discussion empty and futile.

You would only wish my points were futile; but be that as you may, the fact that the SDA has failed to follow the stipulations of the Sabbath Law makes their noise in this regard an exercise in futility.

Bobbyaf:
What about the sin of adultery, bestiality, homosexuality? Are those laws still applcable today? Things and times have changed haven't they?

A clever way to circumvent why the SDA has tried to conveniently "change" the stipulations of the Sabbath Law? The point is simple: the Sabbath Law was not made for Christians.

@Bobbyaf,

Bobbyaf:
I don't claim to have the answers, but the bible does. You can make all the claim you want but the truth is the truth.

You have claimed to have the answers by your repeated arguments againts simple truths on the subject and your reharshing a debate from the other thread that you have had no answers to the questions raised. The truth is there - that's why I referred you to the link. Go there and proffer answers to bari_kade's questions instead of evading them.

Bobbyaf:
Under the Mosaic system such would have been the case. The same would apply to committing other sins like stealing and commiitting adultery, so simply categorising the sabbath requirement doesn't make it less worthy of observance

That's another thing you should have provided answers to in the other thread. The question was:

What "10 comamndments" are you referring to - the one you cannot provide from Genesis;
or the same Law of Moses in Exodus that you initially rejected?

What answer did you give to that? Why did you repeatedly evade that question?

Bobbyaf:
That is why it should be kept today, and as a matter of fact the bible says it will be kept in the earth mad new. See Isaiah 66:22,23

Since it is meant to be kept today, do you carefully observe the stipulations of the Sabbath Law; or it has become a thing of convenience with the SDA?

Bobbyaf:
Not if you had to go look for the wood on a sabbath! Don't fail to see the context under which some of the sabbath-keeping requirements were stipulated. Israel lived in the wilderness for 40 years. That explains some of the restrictions, because of the extent of work it would have required to preprare meals. That is why God fed Israel for 40 years with Manna.

The Bible did not say to look for wood on the sabbath, so don't try to stub that verse with your SDA excuse. It clearly said: "Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day" (Exo. 3:55).

Bobbyaf:
I am glad you see it! Do you keep your Sunday holy right through?

I'm not a sabbatarian; and for me, everyday is holy - Rom. 14:6.

Bobbyaf:
Isn't it obvious that deliberate disobedience in the light of God's reasonable and clear requirements would have attracted that sort of punishment? You are addressing the wrong person, go ask God who implemented the system back then. Besides, please don't see the sabbatha as a problem because of man's failures to keep it the way that God intended it ot be kept.

Leviticus 16:31 & 23:29 is a simple requirement directly addressed to sabbatarians - afflict yourselves FOREVER or be cut off! Dribbling round it with another excuse that one should 'go ask God who implemented the system back then' is another way of evading the stipulations of the Sabbath Law.

Bobbyaf:
The same can be argued about the women seeing their periods and still coming to church, right? Why is it that such is the case today? Why was that law or requirement necessary back then? Context may be? Situational context perhaps? How one keeps the sabbath today is far different in terms of situational context, than how it could have been kept back then. In other words if a person was visiting with me on a sabbath and needed some hot beverage for example, should I desist from doing good becasue of some text in the OT that says "don't kindle fire on the sabbath at home"?

Bobbyaf, you're obvioulsy beating yourself by arguing against the same Law that you have sought to promote!   If you're asking that Christians keep the Law, why complain about the same Law when exposed to its strigent stipulations? And your disregard for God's Word is amazing, because someone who respects Scripture would not be so deriding as to quip: "because of some text in the OT that says. . ." That is simply unethical.

Bobbyaf:
Context again Stimulus! Un-necesary work was what the bible referred to. Work that could have been done during the course of the week should not be done on the Lord's holy day.

Sorry, since you failed to acknowledge the context repeatedly offered you in the other thread, I'd rather stick with the clear declaration in that verse. It says: "ye shall do NO WORK therein"; it did not say: "you shall do Un-necessary work therein"!! (Lev. 23:3). Compare this with: "Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings" (Lev. 23:31).

If you want to discuss context, then you should be willing to answer questions when offered. Go back to that thread and answer all 14 or 17 questions before crying 'context' here! Please start with this one:

What "10 comamndments" are you referring to - the one you cannot provide from Genesis;
or the same Law of Moses in Exodus that you initially rejected?

Bobbyaf:
What is your point of contention? None of those texts you have pointed to really deals with the issue of whether or not one should still be remembering God's holy day of rest.

I have no contentions, just points to note - foremost of which has been stated earlier: the seventh-day Sabbath was not made for Christians. If you're arguing that it is, then you'd have to provide a verse for the Sabbath Law from Genesis, and not from Exodus. You cannot use a Law in Exodus and make it applicable to those for whom it was not meant!

Bobbyaf:
No one can really keep the sabbath perfectly in this life time Stimulus, and that was never my intention to make it sound that way. We do what we can as best we can, keeping in mind that we depend on God for everything. God's mercy and grace are sufficient.

I'm glad that you could be honest enough to admit that no one can keep the sabbath law perfectly. However, the Israelites were given this injunction: "Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God" (Deut. 18:13); and there were no excuses allowed in matters of the Law which God gave His people.

However, since Jesus Christ Himself is our perfect rest, we find our perfection in Him, and not in the Law. "For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God" (Heb. 7:19).

@frosbel,

frosbel:
In every part of the bible the mention of wife is in the singular and not plural .

I concur o jare! And here's another to those you already cited:

I Cor. 7:2 -- "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

Orikinla:
When Moses married another wife, God did not condemn him.

@Orikinla, could you remind us who the two wives of Moses were?

doncartel:
Now i know Islam is 100% bullshit cus it means those who enter cars are a bunch of black-ass cows n thats why muslims are so close to cattle mmoooooooo

Muslims are just like everybody else, and there's no logical law that says they should not use cars or other technology available to us today.

@denex,

denex:
we import cars by choice, we watch MTV Base by choice. All I'm saying is that why did they import the worship of jesus or muhammed by force?

Muslims do not claim to worship Muhammad - so you're wrong.

Christianity was not "imported" by force - so again you're wrong.

@Bobbyaf,

You may call them skewed questions - and that is because you had no answers to the sound questions bari_kade offered you. Not only so, he went on to treat the subject in detail, offering text upon to text to the point.

If one is going to obey the "thus saith the Lord", one needs to understand what the Lord says. Romans 10:2 says that some people have zeal without knowledge; and to just be driven by thus saith the Lord without knowing what the Lord says will often lead to the sort of legalistic mindset you're displaying.

Let me bring back some of the things that bari_kade offered you should seek to carefully understand as a seventh-day sabbatarian:

             (a). The Sabbath was to be kept Holy - Exo. 20:8

             (b). No (Servile) Work To Be Done on the Sabbath - Exo. 20:10; 12:16 & Num. 28:25

             (c). Anyone Defiling The Sabbath Be Put To Death - Exo. 31:14-15

             (d). The Sabbath Meant to Be Perpetual - Exo. 31:16

             (e). No Domestic Fires To Be Kindled In The Home - Exo. 35:3

             (f). Sabbatarians To Afflict Their Souls Forever or Be Put To Death - Lev. 16:31 & 23:29

             (g). Sabbath Was to be Celebrated From Evening to Evening - Lev. 23:32

             (h). A Holy Convocation; No Domestic Work At Home - Lev. 23:3

Now go back and visit this link to see how he treated the above:

                      https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34371.160.html#msg873270

Note (f) above says:

   Sabbatarians To Afflict Their Souls Forever or Be Put To Death
   Lev. 16:31 & 23:29 - "It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a
   statute for ever. For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall
   be cut off from among his people."

And then (h) above as well:

(h). A Holy Convocation; No Domestic Work At Home
Lev. 23:3 - "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings."

The Bible is clear that no manner of work should be done on the Sabbath; and sabbatarians are to afflict their souls forever during the sabbaths.

Bobbyaf, do you SDA people follow the stipulations for the sabbath as outlined in the Bible; or you look for excuses that make it convenient for your group? Are you not the same fellow who offered excuses on the following link?


        "If the case isn't emergent then such persons usually get the sabbath off."
          https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34371.192.html


I should remark that if you want to go by the seventh-day Sabbath observance according to the Law, then you must strictly follow its stipulations. There is just no room for any SDA excuses on any point of the Sabbath Law.

@thesilent1,

thesilent1:
Many Christians are aware that the word “Easter” does not occur in the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. As a matter of fact, the only place it can be found in an English version of - - -

God has given us freedom from all kinds of bondage. Do not let the true meaning of this Easter season be lost to you in a secular sea of eggs and rabbits (and chocolate—which early Christians did not have), but remember that much of the true meaning of the death and resurrection of the Lord is about the freedom we now have to celebrate that from our hearts, and pray and sing to bless and honor him, even if we do it on a day that is not actually “Passover.” May we praise the Lord every day, forever and ever.

http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=494

Cheers.

Lol @sisimose,

Humility is something I ever strive for - even when I'm hugely mistaken! I really appreciate the grace you all have displayed; and huge thanks to you as well.  

@Bobbyaf,

Bobbyaf:
@ Stimulus

Ecclesiastes 12:13, NIV. "Here is the conclusion of the matter. Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man(Mankind)."

I know why I asked the question; and I've followed most debates on the Forum carefully. I'm deeply persuaded by bari_kade's outlines and answers on this same question, and I do not wish to reharsh it here. Please see this link:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34371.160.html#msg869146

There are still at least 14 questions in the link that you haven't addressed; and from bari_kade's outlines, it is clear that the seventh-day Sabbath was not made for Christians. If you have to hold onto it, then you would have to carefully observe its strictest stipulations - there is no room for excuses with the Law.

KAG, Enigma, mrmayor, and all:

I sincerely apologise - I was dead WRONG!! I offer no excuses, even though I was looking at another storyline on religion by the BBC, which in my opinion was recycled as an update.

Again, I sincerely apologise for the mix up.

@mrmayor, special thanks for calling my attention to that! Well appreciated!  

@sisimose,

whatever , recycled, re made whatever . I also heard this news two years ago and that is not the point stimulus, learn to accept that not all who scream hallelu hallelu are real children of God. basically his followers have been had in other words Mugu-ed.

I think I've made my point clear on this, and in now way am I trying to praise this issue. Please go back and read my earlier replies and see what I said earlier:

     "In other threads, I've registered my disavowal against suspicious dramatists on
the pulpit. And that was why I didn't bother so much about Deya - we know him here in
     the UK."

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-56900.0.html#msg1164200

Don't try and divert the real issue

I wasn't trying to divert the real issue; only posted what was of concern to me.

the man was, and is a big fake, I said he was fake myself years back and my aunt nearly slapped me, i bet she thought i was demon possessed. But it is good to open your eyes. Fakes are all around you. Anyone with half a brain could see that man was a fraud.

I had my suspicions as well; so you should understand I wasn't trying to deflect on the issue.

A man claiming to heal people of sickness, yet his own face was riddled with boils on live tV

I don't think that anyone could be discredited this way. There are a couple of MOGs who heal people but have ailments themselves. Paul Yonggi Cho healed blind people, but he himself was wearing glasses as well during his healing services.

usalawu:
@stimulus
Ok man points noted. Still stand by my first post, we all can get along,

Respects.

@Enigma,

I may be wrong. But when I can find the link on other websites on the actual reports, I'll post them. I do apologise about my assertions; and if I can't find those links, I tender my apologies again.

@KAG,

I have. The BBC is fond of doing this. The news report is made to sound like there's an update, but there really is none.