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After all the history lessons, what has your "black jesus" done for you?

We are grateful for the efforts of King James - at least, he didn't write the Bible.

What has become of your "black jesus" for the last 500 years, Horus?

Horus:
Deuteronomy 28:53-57 (also Lev 26:29)
Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. The most gentle and sensitive woman among you - so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot - will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.

Deuteronomy 28:1-2ff - The Promises

And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.


Deuteronomy 28:15ff - The Judgements

But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee.


QUESTION: Where did God command people to eat their flesh and drink their blood?

Horus:
2 Kings 6:26-29

As the king of Israel was passing by on the wall, a woman cried to him, "Help me, my lord the king!"

The king replied, "If the Lord does not help you, where can I get help for you? From the threshing floor? From the winepress?" Then he asked her, "What's the matter?"

She answered, "This woman said to me, 'Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we'll eat my son.' So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."

QUESTION: Where did God command people to eat their flesh and drink their blood in those verses?

Horus:
Jeremiah 19:9 (also Ezek 5:10)

I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.

Jeremiah 19:1-3 - The Judgement Pronounced

Thus saith the LORD, Go and get a potter's earthen bottle, and take of the ancients of the people, and of the ancients of the priests; And go forth unto the valley of the son of Hinnom, which is by the entry of the east gate, and proclaim there the words that I shall tell thee,
And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.


Jeremiah 9:15 - The Reason for the Judgement

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, because they have hardened their necks, that they might not hear my words.


This is why I offered earlier that disobedience issues forth in judgement; and obedience issues forth in blessings.

Horus:
Lamentations 4:10

With their own hands compassionate women
have cooked their own children,
who became their food
when my people were destroyed.

As a result of their disobedience, the proscribed judgement certainly fell on them.

Lamentatons 4:13 & 14

For the sins of her prophets, and the iniquities of her priests, that have shed the blood of the just in the midst of her, They have wandered as blind men in the streets, they have polluted themselves with blood, so that men could not touch their garments.

QUESTION: Where did God command people to eat their flesh and drink their blood in those verses?

marlet01:
@ Stimulus

Am sure you can look above you and see what he said.

Lol Actually, I saw what he said. I was only pointing out this:

Aproko:
sorry oh, pardon my ignorance, but where does the tithe money go?

So, if one has to question where the tithe money goes, then by extension one has to question where ANY type of giving goes.

I wonder why the issue of tithe is such a controversial issue with so many people; but "giving" or "dashing" is has not gathered as much dust in debates!?

thesilent1:
GIVE; YES!!!

TITHE; NO!!!!

So, where does the "giving" go?

debosky:
Like I said earlier, your master must be very pleased at your confusion/deception spreading.

That is because those who make so much noise as he does expose their ignorance and self-defeat.

toluwalomo:
Playing beach football at 2 a.m i think and out pops a mermaid.

Playing football at 2 a.m., hehe. . . una plan am well-well!

babyosisi:
a full moon

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@Horus,

Horus:
Not to be translated by stimulus (IQ to low)

Thanks once again for the sarcasm.

Horus:
John 6:53-56

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

Matt. 26:26 -28

"And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
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Mark 14:22

"And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many."
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Luke 22:19 & 20

"And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."
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1 Cor. 11:23 -26

"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come."
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Acts 2:46

"And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart."
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1 Cor. 10:16

"The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ?

The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?"
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John 6:57 & 58

"As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever."
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Heb. 3:14 & 15

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said,

                     To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts,

as in the provocation."



BREAD is symbolic of the Body of Christ - we eat the bread in the Supper: is that cannibalism, Horus?

The Fruit of the Vine in the Cup is symbolic of His Blood - we drink of that Cup in the Supper: is that cannibalism, Horus?

@Horus,

Okay, okay, I'll say this gently. 

Horus:
Where?WhenHow?

I provided the link to this same question to direct you back to how Telly B sought to understand your question. But you did not and have not said anything thereto.

Horus:
Why don't you participate with us in the special topic about about "black jesus"

Actually, I've looked into that thread and after several answers and questions offered by others and your withdrawn debate, I figured there would be no need for me to reharsh the same thing again and scoot us off on another round of empty debates.

Horus:
Instead of sarcasms

Horus, let me apologise if you feel I've been sarcastic to you. The thing is that you equally have been sarcastic, and please be honest enough to admit it.

You don't have to keep evading questions raised by others and assume that only your posts should be addressed.

Fair enough? 

thesilent1:
GOSH!!!!! i missed those like crazy!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Infact, na ba'anga (palm-kennel) soup dey hungry me just now!

What happens then when they raise their heads behind the men - what they do see? 

Lol, @olutomiwa, make una take style hug this babe small now?!

We know ourselves - and we dey creep out small small. It is now left to us to demonstrate who we are - by hook or e-crook!

belloti:
If the Holy prophet muhammadu (SAW) said he was god, i wouldnt have worshipped him, because i knew human being can never be God. If he said he was the son of God, i would probably take it in figurative term.

My-oh-my!! Abeg, no make me laugh. Let me see how to euphemise that construct. Em. . .

"If the Holy Prophet had said he was the Logos, belloti would have taken it in figurative terms."

"If Muhammad claimed to be the Messiah, belloti would still have taken it in figurative terms."

"If the Prophet of Islam had said he was the resurrection and the Life, the same figurative terms apply."

"If there's anything to difficult for the Muslim mindset, then again belloti says it must be absorbed figuratively."


In other words, perhaps as na Jesus talk say He is the Son of God (John 10:36) then the figurative terms disappear, and only blasphemy appears, not so? Hehe, belloti. . . this one sided partiality is not going to help you.

Has Islam ever acknowledged the title of "Son of God" in any figurative term? If at all there was just a way of seeking to understand and absorb that term in Islam, why has it ever remained a "shirk" in Islam?

@mrpataki & olutomiwa,

Hehe. . we know ourselves; and we are beginning to creep out of our holes. Nevermind the names and terrorist promise; at least, the bottonline is that, we know ourselves!!

@Horus,

Horus:
About cannibalism in the Bible??Where??When??How??

What did you do with this: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-14450.320.html#msg1153917 ??

Horus:
Still no answer about this question ??

That's because you refused to open your eyes and read my answers.

Horus:
Accusative This is God's words in YOUR OWN BIBLE BEFORE I WAS EVEN BORN this is not coming from me .

Yep, and the issue about your "black jesus" has continued to be dodged by you in every thread where you were asked.

Horus:
So what?? English is NOT my first language.Is it a crime??

What's your fright now?   Are you scared again that English is another one of your racist plagues?

Horus:
Dont try to divert my attention and answer the question Why God order people to eat Human flesh??

There's no ORDER in those verses. There were judgements pronounced on those who flagrantly disobey God's Word. Did you just say English is a problem to you?  

Horus:
And Here Again:
"Therefore in your midst fathers will eat their children, and children will eat their fathers. I will inflict punishment on you and will scatter all your survivors to the winds" - Ezekiel 5:10

"You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters" - Lev 26:29

"With their own hands compassionate women have cooked their own children, who became their food when my people were destroyed" - Lam 4:10

"Then he (king of Israel) asked her, "What's the matter?" She answered, "This woman said to me, 'Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we'll eat my son.' So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him" - 2 kings 6:28-29.

Yes, and where is the "ORDER" for them to become cannibals?

Like I said, if God had commanded or "ORDERED" me as a Christian to be a cannibal, I'd sooner seek you out and clean your bones to the marrow with my molars.  Are you up to the challenge?  

Now, why have you artfully dodged the questions asked about your "black jesus"?? Is it that he's so banal in your rants that you decided to abandon him? Here again are the questions:

     # What has your black jesus done for YOU?

     # What has happened to your black jesus?

     # Why have you been cheating your readers with decptive assuptions about langauges
         you do not understand?

        https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-26406.32.html#msg1156103

     # Why have you carefully been running away from the questions that Telly B has offered
        after he dislodged all your ignorance?

     # Why has your racism against Whites not helped you and your "black jesus" people
        advance any further than the 500 years since you fell into darkness?

     # what FACTS do you have for your "black jesus", and what has he done for your racist
        group, racist education ignorance, and racist history?

Why have you been childishly running away from all these questions? Are you not the same guy who tried to pronounce your black jesus as the true Messiah? What has he done for YOU??

mukina2:
stimulus lol .i did miss you

Awww. . . infact, I'm logging off for now - just to go and simmer in the warmth of that wonderful line. If only we can give e-hugs without public notice. Oya, here is a bit hug:









_{Those for whom it is not meant will NOT see it!!}

osacares:
I do not believe what they believe, however I have learnt how to Disagree without being disagreable.

Hmm, please can you share a bit more?

Across board, everyone attempting to discuss religion have fallen short in one way or another on the same allegations being tendered here.

I don't know why some people feel insecure in religious discussions; but I don't feel any sense of insecurity when discussing what I believe. Even when my fellow discussants want to be acrid, there's just a way to school them up a bit.

@Mukina2,

Oh my - oh my! Now you have dampened my day!


@Sharn06,

What do you really believe? You've been asking questions - now let's get you making reasoned inputs. That's what a public Forum is for - everyone making inputs, abi?

@Horus,

Horus:
So why do you Chirstians avoid to answer

Indeed, Christians have provided many answers to your otiose questions; but your low IQ has failed you from seeing tyhe answers.

Horus:
Why cannibalism is recomanded by GOD in Deut 28:53, Jer 19:9, Lam 2:20 ??

I notice you have such a difficulty constructing simple sane sentences; but no matter, as we all make typo errors. The word should have been recommended. School up, Horus, school up.

To be sure, God did not recommend cannibalism in those verses. Those were pronouncements of judgements based on diobedience. There is a difference between a commandment that issues forth in blessings, and a judgement as the result of disobedience to divine commandments.

In Deut. 28:1, the Bible makes the distinction clear -- "And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth."

But then, what happens as a result of disobedience to those commandments? Verse 15 clearly shows the result: they will fall under divine judgements, such as would include include people eating their flesh. It is not a matter here of God commanding cannabalism; but of people themselves CHOOSING to come under the judgement of God when they walk in disobedience to His word of blessing.

How would this judgement come? Quite simply, God was declaring what their choices was going to bring upon them. I don't see how alternatives will be offered to me, and I would blindly chose to disobey and rather come under judgement.

The same declarations of Judgement is indicated Jer. 19:9 and Lam. 2:20.

Horus:
This not an accusation this is GOD'S Words.

You have been accusative in all yopur posts. There is a huge difference. And if you think otherwise, then you should have chosen to be sensible enough to answer questions offered you - especially those by Telly B.

Horus:
Here again look in [B]YOUR[/b] Bible at Deut 28:53, Jer 19:9, Lam 2:20
If you refuse to answer 1000 time this question
I will repost it again 1000 time

And I will continue to be a Christian more than 1000 times. It would only be exhibiting your low mental state, in as much as you have artfully dodged the questions offered by others.

Horus:
Where are those Christians to answer the question

They have answered several times.

Now can you answer the simple questions offered by Telly B? Here again:


# What has your black jesus done for YOU?

# What has happened to your black jesus?

# Why have you been cheating your readers with decptive assuptions about langauges
you do not understand?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-26406.32.html#msg1156103

# Why have you carefully been running away from the questions that Telly B has offered
after he dislodged all your ignorance?

# Why has your racism against Whites not helped you and your "black jesus" people
advance any further than the 500 years since you fell into darkness?

# what FACTS do you have for your "black jesus", and what has he done for your racist
group, racist education ignorance, and racist history?

Why have you been childishly running away from all these questions? Are you not the same guy who tried to pronounce your black jesus as the true Messiah? What has he done for YOU??

Meanwhile, why were you so scared about a death threat that did not exist?

@mazaje,

mazaje:
Christianity is flawed because there are so many complications attached with the religion, so many denomination(Religions) claiming they are the true denomination,

Kai, mazaje!! You miss road so?? 

The last time I checked, Islam had well over 70 denominations - and most of them were at each others' throats over what doctrines could be resolved for each group from the one and only Qur'an. Have ou checked on this at all? And ny that same rule, can we say that Islam is also a flawed religion? 

mukina2:
DD, followed by TB, B,O,NC,GW,S, and the list goes on

I decode the one in red! Did you miss me, my dear??

@Emmo,

Emmo:
I had not intended on replying but reading several intolerant posts galvanized my need to. First off there aren't stupid questions but there are proper ways to ask questions in order to avoid offending others.

I concur.

Emmo:
- Secondly prayers are remembered and recited in Arabic to preserve the original meaning of the text. It is impossible to make a perfect translation from one language to another without losing meaning or the original efficacy of the text.

This only means that the understanding of the reciter is in abeyance just so that the "original meaning of the text" be preserved. Which again doesn't make any sense, because it is popularly said among Muslim scholars that the Qur'an cannot be translated - let alone understood. If a book loses its meaning because of translations (however scholarly that translation is), then it does not make any sense to seek to understand it at all; since the understanding would have been otiose all the same from an untranbslatable book.

Emmo:
- I'm sure you can think of many words that exist in your native tongue that don't exist in English.

That's true; but the English langauge has quite an extensive and well developed vocabulary to capture such words in close enough meanings.

Emmo:
In that scenario a translator usually has to come up with a less precise equivalent, which may or may not change the overall meaning and effectiveness of a message. (Example: spit or saliva in Chinese( Cantonese dialect) is translated as mouth water). Without knowing both languages, how is an individual supposed to know what mouth water is in reference to? This where you start getting into numerous issues surrounding interpretations of translated text.

It is quite a simple thing. There will always be scholarly challenges to existing translations or interpretations; so that when one person comes up with 'mouth water', another can come up with 'mouth drops', etc. We as Nigerians may be misled to thinking that 'mouth water' refers to 'sapele water' (vernacular for 'ogogoro'); and the other 'maouth drops' may be thought of as a medicinal syrup. Only scholars versed in both languages can rightly direct us.

But in the case of the Qur'an, whether or not there are scholars well versed in both Arabic and English (or Chinese for that matter), we are told that the Qur'an cannot be translated! If Arabic is removed from the Naira so that people can understand its true value, Muslims in the north will protest over a language that is untranslatable! If Adidas or Nike produce a shoe logo, Muslims will protest yet again that the logo design looks like the name of 'Allah'. Everything just has to be Arabic, and yet Muslims tell us that the Qur'an written in Arabic cannot be translated!!

Emmo:
- Even if you could make a perfect translation from Arabic to English, all this does is open doors for more translations. Hypothetically speaking, lets say you want to translate from Arabic to Quechua( Language of the Inca Empire/South America). There may not be someone available to do that translation, that has a high degree like a PhD in both languages( you shouldn't translate text 'especially religious text' for mass production unless you have a high degree) because speaking fluently is completely different from written fluency. So what you have here is a situation where the text has to be translated from Arabic to English then to Quechua or even Arabic to English to Spanish then to Quechua. You get a long chain of translations of translation that further pervert the original meaning of texts.

I'm sure that the various English and Spanish translations of the Qur'an were not so handled. This is just hypothetical and abstract; not reality.

There doesn't seem to be a justifiable reason why non-Arabic speaking Muslims should not use their native language to express their prayers and worship to God. Did you know that the Yoruba and Igbo languages are so rich in their own rights? Ol' boy. . . you need to listen to Yoruba and ibo proverbs to get my drift!

@silent1,

Don't bother yourself. His "black jesus" has failed him woefully; so when he reads the Bible, he sees only cannibalism in it - the same thing that his black jesus was known to have done.

Have you ever wondered why the disciples of Jesus survived to preach the Gospel? Because Jesus Christ did not eat them up!

Meanwhile, have you ever wondered why the "black jesus" had no disciples and no god spoke to him? Yep - you might have guessed right: his black jesus ate up everything: his black disciples, the black race, and his chewed on his lips before he passed into oblivion!   That is the one reason why Horus does not know a dot about his black jesus, and has been worrying himself to death attacking the Bible.

The next time you come across a Christian, watch his teeth - he might as well cannibalize you, since that is Horus message. But then, I wonder why Christians have not used their teeth to reduce the world population!  

@Horus,

God did not inspire cannibalism, and you can read that in all the verses of the Bible - OT and NT.

At the end of the day, I'm still a happy Christian enjoying the love of God by faith in Jesus Christ. Maybe the next time you check, I would have eaten both my dad and yours! 

Are you not the same guy who snivelled about a 'death threat' when nobody was chasing you? See how you can shake like a leaf when exposed to your own games.

It's a pity your racist "black jesus" has no God, no divine revelation, no fact to cover up your ignorance, and he just continues to pass as a shadowy figure.

Oh yes, the Bible makes me a CANNIBAL. . . and I must be a disobedient Christian for not having obeyed the "command" to CANNIBALIZE everyone I came across since my conversion. It's either that, or the Bible simply evidences your sob existence on a "black jesus" that has failed to do you any good. 

Meanwhile, where have our "educated discussants" gone??

Where is babs787 - who, in a swing of desperate educated debate, termed his own Muslim translators "deluded authors that lied in order to deceive"?

Where is oyb - who was so happy to read a "jihadist Jesus" in the NLT? _{(Telly B, thumbs up!)}

Where are the back-patters of these folks who champion Islamic apologetics educated dribbles?

Lol, . . . Telly B, davidylan, I-man, babyosisi, and all the Islam-bashers (including stubborn me), I understand the phrase now: "pictures speak louder than words!" _{nevermind the fake footballer there by Telly B}  

I also understand that the CCCA    are asking us formally to drop our English dictionaries and instead use the islamodictionary for understanding Islam! The same CCCA haven't said anything politically correct on the "black jesus movement" that call us cannibals.  

Bottomline is, we're just some bunch of munafiqoon that must be exiled to make space for the expansion of "the religion of peace!" --- Qur'an 5:33, yes?  

@Emmo,

You can't take a couple of lines out of a 114 chapter Qur'an and expect it to keep its original meaning.

No we can't do that - at least, not under the shadow of a sword. That is why we compare the verses and chapters of the Qur'an with their Hadith counterpart to see what Muhammad was up to. I remember he claimed (or several Muslims claimed on his behalf) that he performed some miracles. Even when we do not take the 114 chapters out of context, Allah did not record any miracle in his book for Muhammad.

They're just lines taken out of context and used to drive your Anti-Muslim/Anti-Islam vehicle.

Is that so? I see. . . but where were you when your champions were sitting behind the keyboard and steering their anti-Christian and anti-Biblical lorries?  

Translated lines at that. When you read the the book in its entirety, in Arabic( not a copy that was translated with bias),

Hehe. . . ol' boy, you're a comedian, right? Is it not your own Muslim translators that proclaim that the Qur'an CANNOT be translated into any other language? Ask Pickthall and the Saudi Arabian muslim council. Seeing that is the case, what can you decipher from a book which loses its meaning the moment we begin to discuss it in English?  

In fair exchange, let's offer that you consult the Greek and Hebrew languages in which the Bible were written; and then when you can understand them, you'll see why the Bible is quite understandable; unlike the untranslatable Qur'an.

and grasp the true meaning of the text, come back and make a post and then we can have an educated discussion.

Oga, we've been asking for educated discussions ever since I joined the Forum. Even educated guesses are welcomed, so long as they make sense. I really haven't recovered from the "educated discussion" displayed by your dear brethren in the question of facing EAST to pray, since they regard every point on the face of planet earth as EAST!!  

Well, at least they want us to agree that there is NO compulsion in religion Islam.

@debosky,

debosky:
if the muslims here claimed it was a simple 'basic procedure' as you say here, probably the thread would not be this long

but there have been wild claims such as 'they are facing the Kaaba - center of the earth' and the 'sun rises in the east' and other such reasoning put up here. quite frankly I would prefer them even saying 'I don't know' than to try to justify the act with plain falsehood. I have nothing against the act in itself, but when an attempt is made to falsely butress a claim, then I object.

Precisely. I really wish people would see that, and not misconstrue those wild claims as plaster for the idea that "several Muslims have answered this question"!!

@WesleyanA,

WesleyanA:
I'm not muslim but I think it's a sign of respect unto Allah. If he commands that they face a certain direction, why not do it that way even if you can perform the same prayer some other way.

There is more to that than you're assuming. My question is an open one seeking an understanding from Muslims themselves as to what difference it makes if on the other hand the same Allah says is no big deal WHERESOEVER they face in prayer. That is one issue that makes all the difference.

It is like being commanded to face the Kaa'ba on the one hand; and then stating in another ayah that it doesn't really matter which direction they face in prayer on the other hand. Do you get the gist now?

WesleyanA:
It's just like praying. some christian denominations require that members go on their knees while praying and some let you stand. kneeling is more like a sign of respect to humble yourself before God.
same goes with covering your head with a scarf while praying for females. most christian females do this but my question is: what difference does it make?

The difference between a denomination requiring kneeling and the scarf issue is a huge one. On the one hand, kneeling is NOT a commandment; on the other hand, the head covering is expalined in 1 Cor. 11:1-16. What a denomination requires her members to do and what God expressly states in the Bible are two different issues.

There are over 70 denominations in Islam. The issue of facing the Kaa'ba to pray is NOT a requirement stipulated by any denomination out of the over 70. In the same instance, one needs ask what difference it makes if the same Allah says it's no big deal whatever direction they face to pray!!

WesleyanA:
there are some parts of religion that are just basic procedures. something you do that makes the religion unique. i don't see nothing wrong with it.

I haven't complained about anything wrong with whatever direction they face. I'm seeking answers from Muslims themselves.

WesleyanA:
several Muslims have answered this question already and if their answers haven't satisfied anyone yet, then I'm sure there isn't any other answer that will satisfy you.

I patiently went through the thread. If answers have been offered for the convoluted commandment, there would be no need for me to have asked. Answers have not been offered for the question I asked. And if they have no answers to that question, I can understand why you feel there are answers; and yet only reactions from Muslims calling others "ignorant fools" seem to have played around the question.

WesleyanA:
my tone in this post is mean. yeah i know. that's cause i can't stand muslim bashers. they suffer from esteem issues.

Sad. If asking questions can be interpreted as bashing Muslims, I'll do it all the more! When Muslims ask questions, Christians do not duck under this otiose idea that it is Christian bashing. The games Muslims continue to play on the Forum is testimonial to the very fact of their own esteem issues!