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Glad we ain't lose any bird. Eonsintelligence.com says it crash landed. Whatever happened, glad no life and equipment were lost

Verdammt, the crash was real. Glad pilot survived. Seems it was shot down. "aircraft came under heavy fire".

Verdammt, hope news bout the crash ain't true. It's demoralizing. Public opinion will be really negative. It will be like fifth columnists had infiltrated our airforce

shegzhkn:
Really ?? but we've got other religions section too and such egregious oath ain't there.

Yhh. But different contexts. No one stops others from putting an oath on theirs.

Swearing of oath, in that section was put in place, in order to keep trolls outta that section. We don't want religious violence online

It was painful, seeing the assassination of a Major-general of the Nigerian army. It is also a slap on the face of our army, which is the pride of our nation. If we can't secure the lives of our Generals, then no one is safe.
Technically, the security apparatus of our country has failed and collapsed. Our defence against the enemy is thin. Countless Nigerians losing their lives in "silly" circumstances. The security situation has been politicised. We had forgotten our purpose as a nation. "The fuel is still pouring into the fire".
Right now we are the gunpowder waiting to explode. Once it explodes, sub saharan africa will be worser than anything the middle east has seen.

Amaru101:
Wetin amala dudu go cause for youruba land


O DUDU WA REPUBLIC

Don't kill me

ugo4u:
This is no news na, the guy visits here to get gist from the like of SamuelAnyanwu and co, aggregate it with fake news from his phantasies and post on his page to the applause of his gullible followers. He is the same person making Nonsense of the work of respectable military bloggers like beeeagles, he is just doing propaganda on his page and making our military look stupid in the process. He's the guy that lifted a random pic of a Chilean paratrooper descending with a parachute and said it was Buratai , I remember the army had to publicly come out and deny it because of the embarrassment it brought, same person said our Tucano has arrived prompting NAF HQ to release a statement debunking the fake news.

Damn. He's a maniac. And he blocks his Twitter followers if they try to correct or debate him

Didn't i say he was monitoring the thread? lol. Defensenigeria

ugo4u:
According to the soldiers in the field they said Proforce APCs have alot of issues in the field and is largely unreliable.

Damn. That's really bad. I hoped they get those issues fixed.

kabe1:
For just 10 vehicles?

I disagree.

They recently supplied 3 APCs to Imo state government.

They did not supply any vehicles to NIMASA, now this Police contract.

If we are talking 100s of vehicles that would be different.

Yhh. That's what i meant. They may not have production capacity for a hundred vehicles. Maybe that's what led the police to buy those foreign APCs. I don't really understand what is playing out. Some of these foreign defense companies we patronize don't even have a long history, they are new establishments. I don't know why our military and para military are not acquiring Proforce APCs in hundreds

kabe1:
I would think that the guys that work in Business Development section of Proforce need to be changed.

Why?
I feel maybe they don't have a large production capacity

kabe1:
He always feels the need to tell tall tales of how Nigeria has the biggest military, the largest acquisition of military equipment fictional stories amplified by his delusions of grandeur.

he's in love with the nation

xterra2:
The Nigerian Police Trust Fund 2021 budget was approved N74Billion.

There are several interesting items there such as;
1 Specialized attack helicopter fully armored and weaponized
Repairs for Bell 412,206,427 helicopter
6 Fixed wing drone with range 0f 100-150km
10 Tag Terrier APC
Purchase of AR 15 Variants like M4A1, CQBR, SIG SAUER 551/552, HK G36K ( Assault rifles for newly formed SWAT)

Nice acquisitions, but i could have loved if we purchased profoce APCs or we purchase those APCs in more quantities

kabe1:
What does SSBN, Defense News Nigeria gain in telling lies all the time on twitter.

It's like a sick fetish!!

That guy is a maniac. He is so obsessed with France and his fictional stories. He is watching this thread, don't be surprised if he screen shots our comments and post it on his Twitter page

kabe1:
Nobody told you T-72 was purchased brand new. Nobody makes brand new T-72's any longer.

You cannot say something is in a majority if you cannot prove it, that's what you need to understand.

Nigeria has always had a large stock of AKMs, right from the administration of OBJ.

You cannot claim they were bought second hand if you cannot provide evidence to support such a claim.

Not even the rifles used by DSS and Navy SBS are standardized. The DSS use FN F2000, CTAR-21 , TAR-2, P-90 and Galil ACE.

Are you telling me that they bought these weapons second hand?

Navy SBS use TAR-21, CTAR-21, X-95, AKM, AK-100 series and Barretta CX4 are you telling us they purchased these second hand also.


You made a claim that majority of our military equipment is purchased second hand, this claim is a flat out lie.

I'm asking you to provide evidence to support your claim.

Verdammt, another misinterpretation. I don't remember saying majority of our military. I said majority of our Army equipment. Army is different from the military. When i talk about military equipment purchases, i try as much to be apolitical. I don't know why y'all regard administrations. It doesn't matter the administration. During OBJ administration, DICON were producing AKM rifles, designated as OBJ 006. Before then, we produced FN FAL battle rifles, designated as NR. 1. We have to understand that through out the entire life span of DICON it hasn't functioned up to 85% of its capability. Gen. Ezugwu really revamped the DICON recently. I used to think we produced small arms ammunition in Nigeria. Seems we produce, maybe in little quantities, because the Nigerian army still import small arms ammunition

joscofelix2:
oga i no debate anything.

Gut, don't. You don't have totally to disregard my stance.

joscofelix2:
oga you say this, because you have no knowledge of military rifle and equipment

If you were a mentor, I'll take that as an insult,but you are a civilian, a military enthusiast. I'll take that as a challenge. Maybe i got few to prove to you. You can't debate me on military equipment .

joscofelix2:
oga take time oo, which black market? dey one for your community ni. most of the small arm are either produce in dicon or bought from producer,or you think say na police rifle.even some police rifles are new. dey t 72 mbt i agree was not but most are lacking spare part.or you want tell us say, our tavor na black market work. most of the ak nigeria army are using are obj 006

Verdammt, ich bin tot , bro i had explained. Most of our AKs are Chinese and Eastern Europe origin

kabe1:
Nigeria does not buy second hand rifles.

The T-72 tanks under GEJ were off the shelf.

Artillery shells bought from South-Africa, Serbia and the Czech republic are all brand new.

The BMP-1 we purchased from the Czech republic was second hand, but the IFV we purchased from Ukraine was brand new. Yes, rejected by the Iraqi army, but was brand new nonetheless.

In the previous administration, NNS Centenary and NNS Unity were purchased from China brand new.

Hundreds of Inshore patrol vessels were purchased from France, Israel and Nigeria brand new.

Tavor-21 rifles, Berly M762 rifles and AK-103 rifles all brand new.

MRAPs from China and South Africa all new.

No offence, you're quite ignorant.

I was specific on the Army. You saw what i wrote about the artillery shells. I told you they were purchased by deals from South Africa. But not all our deals are conducted within the Nigerian government and foreign governments. T 72 ain't brand new. They were purchased from stock.
Our rifles are purchased from the black market, I'll keep stressing this. Am a lover of our military, but we need to be realistic.
I kept stressing "majority". I didn't say all. I said "majority". Beryl rifles are in little numbers compared to our AKMs. We have alot of Chinese made AKMs,AKMs from Eastern Europe, etc. If we were not purchasing rifles from the black market, why are our rifles not standardised? We purchased but just this present administration do it alot. I didn't say past administrations didn't purchased through process.

bidexiii:
All your mentions are not true mate.
The T72 is from Czech Republic, if am right

They are. Ok

GeneralFarouq:
It would be right in my opinion to say , that ur earlier statistics was only for a particular year and or purchase, but not general buying over the years sir.
Those black markets era, were largely during GEJ regime.
It would even seem, most of the T-72 have been destroyed or left immobile.

In terms of small arms, we have been getting it over the past years from the black market. Nevertheless, we have some purchased by deal process

bidexiii:
I totally disagree with you
Please sight examples !

1. Our standard rifles
2. T-72 tanks(were not purchased by deals)
3. We still import Artillery shells (few deals with countries like South Africa)
4. Some light tanks and IFVs acquired during the previous administration
Note, i said "were". I didn't mean the present. I'm informed. We all know majority of our small arms, were procured from the black market. Small arms are a large bulk and percentage of our Army. Don't misquote me please. I am not stupid, i won't deny and be ignorant on the successes of our Army

Roan77:
This is the Aks the Russian soldiers use.
But why Nigeria military don't make use of the American rifles, like the M16a rifles?

To get American rifles, we need to engage in deals. We could get them in the black market, but not in surplus quantities. We just started prioritizing deals very much recently. Majority of our Army hardware, were acquired from the black market.
Personally, i don't like American rifles. If i were to purchase a rifle of western origin, I'll go for German rifles. Heckler & koch comes to mind.
American rifle have only two modes, small calibers, expensive to maintain (than Eastern rifes) and its more vulnerable to harsh environments

SuperSixSeven:
This rifle is a AK100 in 7.62×39mm. The Russians use AK74 variants in 5.45×39mm. Generally speaking most countries in the aAmericas, Europe and Asia use smaller caliber for many good reasons. The reason why we use the 7.62×39mm is that they are billions of surplus ammo left in east european army depots that are sold for pennies to armies world wide. One of the reasons why we never started the production of such kind of ammo.

A complete overhaul of our inventory is a must in this decade (although i dont see the funds for that anywhere) and maybe we change caliber and switch to more modern carabine rifles.

I'll prefer if we still use the 7.62x39mm caliber. Its more devastating on the enemy.
7.62x39mm caliber rifes can shoot lower caliber ammo too. I'll suggest that our military should try and make an indigenous rifle. We could make a version out of the beryls and AKs.

QuietMynd:
Wetin u wan use am do, u wan buy am as scrap abi u get private museum.

Lol. Am compiling something. Its a journal on our armored warfare.

cutievik:
We can't oo...that Wan hard, you first know how many dem get?

Ok. Damn. Thought we had figures.

Please do anyone have figures for lost tanks in the North East?

youghs:
The VAT at 7% is still low bro.
Increasing our tax to GDP ratio means reducing tax evasion, revenue leakages, widening tax net and not just by increasing tax rate.
I don't know why it's so hard to do, Even many African countries have moved towards this path but we are still stuck with resource based revenue.

Ok, i understand. Many African countries are still backward in this context, because of lack of political will. They are too focused about inter party politics

youghs:
That's the main thing. Without money you're just worthless man, you won't be able to fight corruption, provide security, provide infrastructure or social amenities and so on.

We didn't really need to increase VAT to7%. It was unnecessary. What were we doing with the 5% VAT?.
Nigeria's major sources of income are: taxes, port tariffs and oil exports. In recent years the FIRS, had been performing splendidly. Look, but its still not close. I go to the market almost daily to purchase foodstuffs. I see how market women are extorted by tax collectors. In a day, 10 different people can collect tax from a single stall. My point is, we are not even organized in grassroot taxation. Statistics might state otherwise, stats might say taxation is low, but actually people are extorted of their incomes daily. All these are reasons for our inflation and increase in prices of foodstuffs, coupled with insecurity.
We are a country that live with assumptions. We don't even have accurate data. We just use estimates. If you have stayed in rural areas, you will understand. I don't oppose increment in taxation. But we should be accountable. Taxes shouldn't be mismanaged

youghs:
Nigerians are poor because of low revenue/tax to GDP ratio.

Negative. its not a single reason.

joshingjosh:

I saw updated 16 days ago somewhere down and thought it was recent

Nah. It wasn't

joshingjosh:
Who can confirm the info about navy's interest in Ch-46.. Source Wikipedia

They navy has been interested since when i was a baby . Its been showing there