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budaatum:
Then they ask why I hate religion, as if its potential to produce people like the op is insufficient!

Seriously, religion can produce some brain dead people. This one is small, check out the "first fruit" wahala-
https://www.nairaland.com/4337378/painful-experience-doctrine-first-fruit

Empiree:
racism just bcuz I mentioned White?. You want to redefine racism or what?

Yes, your post was racist. how does having a white mother affect being a muslim?

ScienceWatch:
Butterfly1ion has made excellent points, whereas you present arguments that are synonymous with the Gay movements pains of being an Anus penetrating minority. Are you admitting that being Gay and Atheist exponentially increases ones suffering?

Stop abusing drugs.

Empiree:
Since when the so called "descendant" of the prophet became standard of what islam is or should be. Nonsense. They forgot this man is ally to "them". We do not follow or worship individual in Islam. We follow REVELATION (Qur'an) not King Jordan. And we are judged individually not as a group. King Jordan is responsible for his choice.

His mother is a White woman. He himself studied in and affiliated and deeply rooted in England. So anything new?

I see so much racism and division in your post. So because he has a white mother, he is less of a muslim?

kestolove95:
e no go work for nigeria

How? Will Nigerian penis tear through the pant?

ScienceWatch:
From my personal experience. I find what you say to be absolutely true.

you are still here? I thought that you overdosed on tramadol.

Nonsense.

Here are some facts for you

1. There should have never been an islam section in the first place. Or if that is the case, every religion should have its sub-section

2. The islam section was created as a result of threats. We know how our brothers in Allah can get bloody.

3. Some muslims have admitted that the division makes their religion to look less tolerant

hopara1:
Sir you can accept whatever that suit you,but I personally believe that Christ died for me and is risen,excitedly am waiting for His second coming to take me to my permanent home! am very sorry if you find it hard to comprehend SIR!

over 2000 years and waiting for a Jewish caprenter that Jews dont believe in. Keep waiting for christ.

https://i.imgflip.com/20ym4e.jpg

connectikut89:
It's obvious you don't have any more rebuttals. I'll leave you with a few bible verses. Please read and repent while there is still time.

Proverbs 22:16 NKJV - He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches, And he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty.

2 Corinthians 2:17 NIV - Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

2 Peter 2:1‭-‬3 AMPC - But also...there will be false teachers among yourselves, who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies)... And many will follow their immoral ways and lascivious doings; because of them the true Way will be maligned and defamed. And in their covetousness (lust, greed) they will exploit you with false (cunning) arguments.

Galatians 1:9 AMP - As we have said before, so I now say again, if anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from that which you received [from us], let him be condemned to destruction.

It is a case of brainwashing, ignorance and greed.


They look at God as a money-doubler. Sow first fruit and receive blessings of more money later.

Prosperity gospel is a scam.

hopara1:
By sincerely doing so...rather that vehemently opposing at every given change,dont you thinks some questions posed are better unanswered...Life is temporal and its better when you accept that every creature have an Orignal Creator!

This is not true.

Where is the proof for monetary first fruit in the Bible.

Where is the proof for your creator.

Question religion. Question it all

hopara1:
If not that sometimes I do get important informations through Nairaland...I would have stop coming here,because the owner and his company are seriously speeding to perdition by challenging the authenticity of the Creator of all things! (YHWH). Becareful! Am very not...

One must challenge his or her beliefs lest he/she remains stagnant.

This is the foolishness that prosperity gospel breeds!

Shithole with dumb shitholers.

budaatum:
This is the sort of stupid statement that started this off. If there are scientific studies, just post a link to them please! Or is it the elusive 22 Year Study I've been waiting months for?

Watch him do either of two things

1. Dodge like a scammer

2. Post either a link from a shady source or post a study that does not agree with his point.

petra1:
Let me make it clear to you by a simple question . How would a seller of dogs give his first fruit ?

None of my business. First fruit is a scam

petra1:
Numbers 18:16
16 Payment is to be made for these when they are a month old, at the value fixed by you, a price of five shekels by the scale of the holy place, that is, twenty gerahs to the shekel.

Where is it said that those shekels are the first salary? Those shekels are for the preists to redeem from the first fruit offerings. Meaning that the shekels are a month late given the stipulation of 1 month after the first sons are offered

Martinez19:
You do have a point but he said John spends big and borrows big. For someone like John to run out of cash, it's either he spends REALLY big or Money doesn't come until month end.

Very simple deduction.

Thanks for seeing the point clearly

petra1:
What of human first born ? Is he Agric ?

Every firsthing belong to God .

There are different offerings in he bible . First fruit offering is only one of the many .

Ogbeni stop talking nonsense. The point is that money has never been first fruit.

The money mentioned in the verses were not even the first of anything.

Lionbutterfly:
You really have time to engage the OP who opened this lying thread.

Keep making a clown of yourself. See how you are dodging like a scammer.


Oga, there is no where in the Bible that first fruit is money. That is a fact.

petra1:
The reference I gave just explained a principle to answer the question I was asked . If money was used for first fruit . Yes ! Is firstborn not a first fruit? Was money paid ? Yes !

People gave to God in Agro produce because they were farmers . And they still have option of redeeming it by cash . Money has alsways been used for offerings and tithes . But primarily they gave Agro produce . Anything can be given to God . If it can be used in the sevhce of God but what God can’t used can be replaced by cash . It’s not every crop that God accept and not very animal that God accepted . Cash was used in place of the unclean animals . Just like the human first born

In all the instances, first fruit has always been agric produce or farm animals.

The shekels in the verse you mentioned was clearly not for first fruit but rather the preists share of the first fruit.

See hypocrites.

Yet some Christians can starve themselves to death in January by giving their while January salary as first fruit

Lionbutterfly:
WTF!!

Believers bully atheists? Push them to suicide?

Amazing ain't it? I guess atheists are Lilly livered. Either that or they actually take what they call "imaginary " seriously

Do you really need things to be spelled out for you?

Is it really hard for you to understand that many atheists undergo both physical and psychological torture due to their religious upbringing or environment? A

16 year old being kicked out of his/her house by parents for daring to challenge religion?
Losing your job as a result of not believing in god?
Living in Saudi Arabia where you can be killed for not believing in god?
Living in Nigeria/America where you will be certainly ridiculed and discriminated against for atheism?
Working with religious co-workers (especially a religious boss) who distract from the job with their religious baggage?


I guess that you are not smart enough to realise the pains of being a minority.

ignorance is bliss.....

blessedvisky:
Bro You REALLY sound PAINED by the fact that you have to lend someone money. Going by your post, John has at least 3 means of stable income. I can also deduce that John trusts you a lot and sees you as Family. Now the real question is this

WHY ARE YOU SO ANNOYED THAT SOMEONE WHO SPENDS ON YOU, TRUSTS YOU ENOUGH TO ASSIST IN A SIDE HUSTLE, AND IS OK WITH YOU KNOWING ROUGHLY HOW MUCH HE EARNS, IS BORROWING MONEY FROM YOU?

Is there something you arent telling us ? Im making Some assumptions on thé type of "Friend" that you are but let me keep them First. I await your response

The problem here is that he is borrowing when he should not have needed to. There is no difference between first fruit and gambling. Would you lend money to a gambler?

The first fruit has put him and his family at risk. Financial risk. It is one thing to borrow a minimal amount and another thing to borrow a whole month of a higher earner's salary. It is easy to lend in thousands but not in millions.

Lionbutterfly:
Bible scholar. Great reference

Please, learn to read your bible lest you get led astray in ignorance;

superhumanist:
FALSE!

Reading the whole chapter (Numbers 18) shows that the instructions there were for Aaron from God. It is clearly stated that the animals and fruits/grain were the first fruits that were offered to the lord. The shekels or money mentioned in verse 15-16 were for Aaron to redeem certain animals for himself- the money itself is not first fruit from the congregation of isreal

Lionbutterfly:
You are the ignorant liar.

If first fruit does not mean all, how did "your imaginary big boy friend" calculate his or how did you calculate it for him to mean he gave 1.5 mil naira when your story never said he told you how much he gave?

Even you are compounding Your Own lies by yourself

Oga, please learn to address matters and stop behaving like a scammer who dodges when being interrogated.

Before you ask me any silly question about my friend, answer the question at hand


Does first fruit mean all your income? Yes or No?


(keep in mind that the hebrew perspective refers to only harvest not money and also that there is no set amount/percentage for first fruit)

petra1:
Numbers 18:15-16

FALSE!

Reading the whole chapter (Numbers 18) shows that the instructions there were for Aaron from God. It is clearly stated that the animals and fruits/grain were the first fruits that were offered to the lord. The shekels or money mentioned in verse 15-16 were for Aaron to redeem certain animals for himself- the money itself is not first fruit from the congregation of isreal

Butterfllylion:
Vaxx go through this


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a2a902ee4b022ec613b812b/amp

That's an article by a very vocal atheist.

And this


https://amp.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/2iq290/without_god_i_feel_suicide_makes_logical_sense/

Check the comments from atheists there.

I'm interested to know your conclusion from the two links you put up.

This is because you never read any article to the end

Lionbutterfly:
From the OP



Please stop compounding his lies for him and there is nothing plausible about his story. If you are probably biased due to your finding religion despicable, say so and stop trying to support an obvious lie.

Please leave the thread. First fruit does not mean all your income.

https://www.naija.ng/amp/1114104-how-calculate-fruit-offering.html


Swerve with your ignorance

petra1:
Giving to God do involve sacrificial giving sometimes . It’s not about first fruit . Some people have been led to empty their account . Just like the story of the widow who have all she had . It’s only a temporal inconvenience . If you are led to give to him fine . But don’t blame the church or pastor . Because pastor gave his also

Where in the Bible was first fruit given in money?

This is all brainwashing.

Ishilove:
lies

Screenshot nko?

petra1:
That means he didn’t give all in church . Why lying.



When he spends BIG as a Big boy in buying drinks and co , you don’t seem to have problem with that ... hmm interesting ...



So it’s a lifestyle to spend big and borrow Big . You are only pissed that this time it’s God he gave to ... and you’re angry and won’t lend to him as you would have done if he had spent the money on booze



When he spent Big he wasn’t forced when he gave in church he wasn’t forced . Why get angry at church . If he gave to God in spirit and truth he will be blessed .

There is a clear difference in spending big and giving away almost all your money.

At least, he has never spent 1.5 million on drinks unlike the first fruit.

Lionbutterfly:
Now you are adding salt and Maggi to your story which by the way still remains a lie

Someone who makes 1.5m naira monthly even with kids his kids and wife in tow cannot just go broke when that is not his first salary. Also for someone who makes 1.5m naira a month his friend circle would easily bail him out in times of need and not him coming to "a junior" as if he is going insane.

Plus perhaps your story also means that his wife is broke as well?

Suddenly he will bounce back in a month or two despite making as much as 1.5 mil naira monthly

I guess your idea in this lie of him bouncing back is when he has 3mil in his account same way you said his idea of being broke is when he has 700k in his account.

Ogbeni your lie is so fancy its qualified to be a designer lie.

I know you want to derail.

It is like you have not finished school and worked one day in your life with responsibilities.

Lionbutterfly:
John who gave as much as 1.5 mil naira as first fruit when he did not just start the job and is not his first salary is suddenlt broke despite making as much as 1.5 mil naira monthly.

Let me correct your lack of comprehension.

If you had the sense to read clearly, you would have understood these 3 things from the story


1. It was clearly stated that John spends a lot. To him, an account balance of 700k is being broke.

2. It was a temporary brokeness. He was only broke at the moment, he will bounce back after a month or two.

3. It was never stated when he started his job.


Ogbeni, leave my thread if you want to make a clown of yourself.