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butterflyl1on:
Those in hell are not Gods Children. They may be his creation but they certainly are not his children



cc superhumanist your fellow atheist says he rejects an imaginary heaven.

He was offered it and he rejected it. Argue with your colleague.

You have always been slow.

I also said that heaven was imaginary. Stop talking nonsense

butterflyl1on:
The standard for the word of God cannot be broken and Jesus said

"Seek ye first the kingdom of God.... "

The Bible says

"As many as received him to them gave he power to be called the children of God"

Also

As many as are led by the spirit of God they are the sons of God

Also

Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel MAKING DISCIPLES OF men and baptising them IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

It seems the Pope does not read the Bible nor does he understand its content. Atheists whose very core do not believe God exists, do not believe the Holy Spirit exists, and a lot do not believe Jesus existed are now the ones who will make heaven?

Catholic Church on behalf of us the true believers of the gospel of Jesus we reject this Pope and hand him over to the celestial church of Christ members.

First, you are not a Catholic, so keep quiet about the church rejecting the pope. Where were you when the 2 previous popes were covering up child abuse and supporting lavishness?

Secondly, Jesus mentioned the good Samaritan when asked about God's kingdom. The good Samaritan was neither a Christian nor Jew.

You are just a pitiful man who hates atheists. You are not even willing to share your imaginary haven with atheists. Na you build am? You don reach heaven before?

butterflyl1on:
Chai you can lie for atheism.

shaw-mah'-yim
Definition
heaven, heavens, sky
visible heavens, sky
as abode of the stars
as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc
Heaven (as the abode of God

Also this is the fuller version of the bible hub you deceptively posted.

◄ 8064. shamayim ►
Strong's Concordance
shamayim: heaven, sky
Original Word: שָׁמַ֫יִם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shamayim
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-mah'-yim)
Short Definition: heaven

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
heaven, sky
NASB Translation
astrologers* (1), compass (1), earth (1), heaven (191), heaven and the highest (2), heaven and the highest heavens (1), heaven of heavens (1), heavenly (3), heavens (151), heavens and the highest (1), highest heaven (1), highest heaven (1), highest heavens (4), horizons (1), other* (1), sky (50).

Brown-Driver-Briggs
[שָׁמַי] noun masculineDeuteronomy 33:28 only plural שָׁמַ֫יִם421 (Sta§324 a) heavens, sky (Late Hebrew id.; Assyrian šamû plural šamê, šamûtu, also šamâmu, compare Phoenician שמם; Sabean סמה HomChr 46, 124; Arabic Ethiopic Aramaic שְׁמַיָּא ; Palmyrene, Nabataean שמ(י)ן in proper name (compounded with בעל) Lzb153 GACooke45; on plural form see BaZMG xiii (1888), 341 f.); — absolute ׳שׁ Genesis 1:1 +, מָ֑יִם- Genesis 2:4 +; הַשָּׁמַ֫יְמָה Exodus 9:8 +; construct שְׁמֵי Deuteronomy 10:14 9t.; suffix שָׁמֶיךָ Psalm 8:4 2t., שָׁמָיו Deuteronomy 33:28, שְׁמֵיכֶם Leviticus 26:19, with verb plural, Hosea 2:23; —
1. a. visible heavens, sky, where stars, etc., are Judges 5:20; Genesis 15:5 (J), Deuteronomy 4:19; Genesis 1:14,15,17 (P), hence ׳כּוֺכְבֵי הַשּׁ Genesis 22:17 (JE) = 9 t. (usually as countless), ׳(כָּלֿ) צְבָא הַשּׁ Deuteronomy 4:19; Jeremiah 8:2 + ( ׳צ


Also here


Greek/Hebrew Definitions



Strong's #8064: shamayim (pronounced shaw-mah'-yim)
dual of an unused singular shameh {shaw-meh'}; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):--air, X astrologer, heaven(-s).



Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew

ׁ / ׁ
shâmayim / shâmeh
1) heaven, heavens, sky
1a) visible heavens, sky
1a1) as abode of the stars
1a2) as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc

You are showing me SHORT DEFINITION DECEPTIVELY. and leaving out the broader definitions.

What you fail to realise is that shamayim is also a plural word used for heavens as well as a singular word used for heaven. Keep on lying for atheism.

Bros, there is no need for long talk.

1. The concept of universe is a modern one. The Bible could not have said anything about a universe. You just have a modernist bias in translation of archaic words. Note that the Bible never mentioned planets and neither did it refer to the sun as a star. Such astronomy was beyond them.


2. The Bible is contradictory to both itself and science. There are 2 separate creation accounts in the Bible. Apologists have tried to reason it but it still doesn't make sense. They try to claim that one story is an overview and the other is a summary with a focus on man. False, the summary cannot contradict the whole. The same Bible tells us the nonsense that women came from the rib of man.


Oga, your Bible is not scientific. Yahweh did not create the sun as claimed. The sun is a result of older stars. Now, does your Bible confirm that?


Genesis 1:16
God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.


The above verse forgets that the source of these lights is one star called the sun. The star is a result of older stars. As far as the earth is concerned, there is only one light, the sun. The verse also separates the light from stars, forgetting that the light is a result from the star.

CAPSLOCKED:

I GUESS YOU'VE NOT TRIED SHOPLEFT BREAD.

ShopDown instead

butterflyl1on:
The word of God is God himself. I am sure you read damosky12 comment yet you failed to understand his very first statement. He said,



Can God destroy himself?

God's word is not the same as God. He should be able to destroy his word if he wants to.

And how does gods word relate to energy?

damosky12:
Exactly!
You are right. God's Word is Energy. It can't be created.
That's why this happened.

Genesis 1:3
[3]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Elsewhere,

Hebrews 4:12
[12]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

John 1:1-3
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



It can't be destroyed too

Isaiah 40:8
[8]The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.



Its sad when Atheists can't see these things. Sincerely.

So, God can't destroy energy.

So much for omnipotence.

damosky12:
Your own delusion is from this childish cliché. Whether the women that came to Jesus' tomb were two, three or more, how does that affect the singular general agreement that women came to the tomb didn't meet the body of Jesus. How does that eliminate the fact that Jesus died by crucifixion? How does that contradict the fact that Jesus appeared to his disciples after resurrection. How does that abuse the fact that His disciples boldly preached His resurrection afterwards?

What you call a contradiction goes to show that the writers wrote from different sources.

And yet, God is not the author of confusion. And yet, God inspired all the authors.

How can God inspired authors be telling different versions of the same story?

butterflyl1on:
Lol especially that one called supermanhumanist or is it superhumaniist. He has been seuns mouthpiece everywhere like seun ministers to him via the spirit of nairaland. Ask him how seuns voice sounds now and he will tell you in detail.

Yet seun has seen this thread and even dodged proving his own existence and was saying something totally irrelevant to the thread.

Of course, I am a disciple of the atheist messiah, Seun Osewa.

Clown.

You don't realise that many people here including Christians can see how you and your gang of deniers are dubious.


Seun sarcastically pointed out the stupidity of the thread given that comparing him to a non existent God that never speaks for himself is ridiculous.


Seun needs not to prove himself as anyone that has sense can do research on him and his office in Ogun state.



So, yes, I can't beat you and your cohorts in stupidity. Seun does not exist- you win the silly game.

Greatzeus:
Guy,are you seriously comparing Butterfield to ShopRite bread
ShopRite bread as the highest rate of stock turnover in the country that is they don't bake and transport to middle men( roadside sellers,shops or wholesalers). They bake and sell immediately,then bake again to meet the next batch of demand from customers.
Go to ShopRite ikeja by 8amt to 10am,you will get hot bread,10am to 12 noon fresh bread, by 1 pm it's out of stock, another batch is being bake,you will have to wait. That's the circle about 3hrs,it's gone in the shelve.
But Butterfield and others are sold and resold,passed from iyarisi to mama Chinedu etc, it sleeps in people's houses and shops,carried by different persons with doubtful hygiene.
The weight of ShopRite bread is like times 3 of Butterfield,but the money is just 1.5 x of Butterfield.
The only bread in the country that comes close to ShopRite bread is Big treat, classic and reputable.

Well Butterfield is delivered directly to my area 3 times a week. No queues, nothing.

Butterfield is always soft and I never eat it with butter.


The best thing about it is that it can be okay for almost 2 days in the fridge.

Try putting ShopRite bread in the fridge overnight. Stone.

hahn:
Ever been to Frenchies?

You know better thing

Budaatum, Hahn, tollzara, hopefullandlord, Johnydon2,


Food done ready

https://www.nairaland.com/4355874/how-shoprite-bread-explains-religion

Matoni:
According to the famous physicist and Nobel Prize winner, Albert Einstein, “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.”

They want scientific proof it is in the Quran and I can list over twenty signs that prove the existence of God. But why should I bother? The quran says....

As to those who reject Faith it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. (30). Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). 31 32

To the Islam section abeg. Your talk is irritating.

superior1:
Exactly what I thought.

Tell me seeing you cant prove the existence of Seun as a human and yet according to you believe he is, how are you different from Christians who believe the existence of God although their shreds of evidence are not persuasive enough for you.

Doesn't that make you and your fellow bandit of atheists hypocrites at best and pseudointellectual-comedians?

Abeg. You win in this silly game.

Seun does not exist. You win.


After all, I can't use logic to prove something to a person that has refused to use reason.


Seun does not exist. In fact, nairaland does not exist.

superior1:
Another subjective opinion of yours.....let me see, your next attempt will be an insult, right?

Yawn

superior1:
You mean you can prove without leaving a doubt Seun exists as human?. I have been looking for someone who can do this.

Still trolling with the same dead argument?

Tollzara:
Hehehe. I came back "Dovey".

Which one be "dovey" or "dough vee"?

Ronpet777:
We r talking about hope here u knw. It's a driving force, a motivation, a propeller, imagine a world without hope.It will be full of anarchy as pple will do whatever pleases them without focus, without target. I am done convincing folks here that God exists because u will do nothing but ask me to prove d unprovable(To a carnal mind). I will rather live my life believing there is a God only to realise afterwards that there is none than to live my life believing there is no God only to realise afterwards that there is God.

Hope and faith are two different things.

Tollzara:
Delusion

Delusion

Delusion

All over the place. Lol.

I see that you were banned


No shaking. They cant stop the truth

6. Energy.

Energy can't be created

SOFTENGR:
I think what the OP is simply saying is: Follow the one that tastes best to you, not necessarily what seems best to many.

#foodforthought

Nice. Simply put

Don't rely on people. Use your brain and follow the common sense.

daomi:
So if shoprite bread is not one of the best, can u name the best and 'sweetest'

hisgrace090:
This is the right question.

Show us the better bread let's try it.

Wrong question. Man shall not live by (ShopRite) bread alone.

The holy spirit guides me to show you the unleavened heavenly bread that is called Butterfield.

Anyone that has been to shoprite in Apapa or Ikeja would notice that there is usually a queue for the shoprite bread. The queue is usually long with arguments and frowns. It is interesting to note that shoprite bread is by no means the sweetest or the healthiest bread in town, even though it is good. In Lagos, there are so many bakeries and bread sellers. A lot of people actually drive past better bakeries to buy shoprite bread.

So, why is there a queue for this shoprite bread when it is not the best bread? Here are the reasons


1. It is popular and word of mouth goes far. People do some things because everyone else is doing it

2. Shoprite itself is foreign owned and good quality is assumed as a result

3. Shoprite is a big and profitable franchise and quality is assumed.



Religion is similar to this-

1. Many people follow religion because it is popular or because of other people- they were born to religious parents in a religious country. Rather than think for themselves and realise that shoprite bread is not the best and not worth queuing one hour for, they just follow the crowd. Many don't question religion.

2. Christianity and islam are two foreign religions and are elevated over African traditional religions. Just like shoprite is elevated because it is from abroad, christianity and islam are also seen in a different light- some Nigerians claiming to be jews, Jesus is painted as a white Italian man in churches, Nigerian muslims having Arab names and dying to go to Saudi for Hajj etc.


3. Nothing intoxicates human beings like money and power. Shoprite is a big organization with a lot of profit and hence, it is naturally trusted than many local bakeries. This is the same with religion- the pastors wield so much power and respect as a result of their money. God must have blessed them with private jets because they followed the religious principles.




Just like shoprite bread, religion is nothing special- one can always buy a different bread from a different bakery just like one can go to a different religion or temple or holy place.

Shoprite's quality is nothing but empty packaging as shoprite has been caught selling expired products. They also sell the cheapest of the cheap. If you dont believe, compare the rich-tea biscuits or kellogs cornflakes you buy from shoprite to those sold in the UK or US. People jjust assume that the quality is there because shoprite is big, foreign and profitable. This is how religion also sells itself with nothing but empty packaging from the pimped out pastors to the sexy ushers to the promises of heavenly rewards.

ScienceWatch:
PLEASE STAY OFF MY MENTIONS COWARD. You start the insults uninvited, then when I respond you cowardly press the "REPORT"
button.

Dont waste my time, you are a low-level unregistered, Non fee/tithe paying Atheist. You like free rides. Go ride somewhere else !!

What do you think about percocet?

Molly percocet.


Mask off.

Emmanystone:
Your case is different.

Winners chapel abi?

ScienceWatch:
Well said VAXX !! You and BudaAtum are both giants here. The level of thinking you both are engaging requires absolute silence and focus. The myriad of distractions here are not fair to both of you.

We will support you as silent spectators/students, if you both can quickly agree to move over to a new tread/topic.

What is this Tramadol addict saying

Emmanystone:
oh now you believe there's a devil and he is a liar?

We are getting somewhere.

I was speaking metaphorically about the devil

MuttleyLaff:
There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle

Stop speaking in parables.

Na butterflyl1on be light? Christian wet dey lie pass devil?

butterflyl1on:
Stop seeing things that are not there. Claiming I am arguing like a deist is a failed statement of huge proportions. Stop consoling yourself.

Lol. Mr God created the universe.

Did you see any big bang theory in the Bible?

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greenmonk:
I thought these nigerians are christians?
How are guys so bent on practising judaism.
The christ you claim to follow said he has paid the ultimate ransom and redeemed sinners but you, the money changers he drove out of the house of God, still want to enslave the masses with your doctrines and willing to practice judaism as the pharasees while claiming to be christians.

They are more interested in money than salvation.

dyydxx:
The funny thing is that any genuine believer would give willing for the work of God. whether 0.001% of earnings to 100% of earnings just like the early church. There doesn't have to be any compulsion. I can give anything to God and willingly and as I'm led. The irony of all these prosperity preaching is that it's actually wisdom that brings wealth, wisdom and the presence of God.

As for the accumulation of money, the wealthiest people in the world don't pay tithes, nor give first fruits nor give any seeds to any pastors yet they have been there since generations. In fact most of them don't even know God. In some cases, the wealth has been there for 3 generations so what are we talking about. Non of these pastors are as rich as Bill gates, Buffet or Jeff Bezos or even Dangote so who is deceiving who....
Bill gates has been on the top spot for almost 20 years in a roll yet some preachers are waiting for the wealth to transfer from him to them...talk about ignorance gone on rampage. God's people are beginning to see thee light and these fleecing of the flock of God by old testament preaching designed to exploit the church will soon end.

Oga, you have spoken the simple truth.

It is not a crime to give to the church. But then, the church should not be telling people what amount or percentage to give.

Give as the heart willeth.

budaatum:
They want to hold a ridiculously untenable position by beffudling the evidence to suit their position. They all know whether he exists or not and even discussing with them on that level is insulting to my intelligence.

If they think as they have reasoned that he does not exist, perhaps they don't exist. And all they seem to write here comes from a bot that they think is them.

Lol. If anything, this thread shows how some Christians will hold any lie to defend their God.

vaxx:
you should know this guy is playing a mental gymnastic with you, just like you guys do when the GOD evidence is brought forward. he actually knows se..un exist as an individual. he is indirectly also educating you on the capacity of artificial intelligence(robot) that she can indeed replace most of the things done by human, which is develop, monitor and administer a website all by herself. to me i think the guy flawed your logic. let me also add this to it ... when works are complete on the artificial intelligence, she will also be capable of producing a copy of herself.... no need for human intervention....

AI does not exist on such level.

But thanks for admitting that the guy is playing mental gymnastics