₦airaland Forum

darknez:
You were actually a bad and ignorant Christian back in the day. I know a lot of Christians who would disagree with the way you seem to have practiced your Christianity back then.

It need not take the kind of 'enlightenment' you received from the Atheist to see the wrong in some of the things you did. What is wrong is wrong and what is ignorant is ignorant...though I think you are still ignorant to an extent.

If I ask you why you left Christianity and embraced Deism, what would be your 'enlightened' response, considering that you could have still decided to be the Christian who does not beat up innocent children because of your suspicions?

You asked very interesting questions.

The issue is that yes, there are better christians who do not beat up children. These better christians try to live a morally upright life.

The problem is that it does not change the outright falsehoods and errors in the bible. There are so many contradictions in the bible. The simplest one is the old and new testament. The God of the old testament is megalomaniacal monster compared to the one of the old testament who is more humane.

shadeyinka:
You don't believe in Truce?

Watch my post. I didn't call you by any negative name.

I spoke about the general behaviours of atheists on Nairaland. It wasn't about you.

The Respect! Was to you because I see you are trying to bring out a constructive converse. Respect! Is for your being one of the few Reasonable type.

So, have you changed?

BlueAngel444:
So, what's the percentage of atheists in Asia to those who believe in religion, your speaking of the most populous continent on earth

Built by the westerners are you serious?
First off, do you know how many scientists are Arabs not to even extend like I said to the middle east.
My post on the factual and yours is, of where are your facts. You probably didn't even try to confirm first.

I was speaking of minds and not infrastructures, if I were I would point out their nuclear programme, if you have done physics you would that is not an easy feat to pull off.

You even mentioned China, thank God you didn't add India. China that the very gabrics of that nation is built on their religious pride, their calendar, their festives, their beliefs, even to their meal. Those guys are very historical to the that foolish, they ARE VERY SUPERSTITIOUS.

Any westerner that is claiming atheists and owns a building where he skips floor number 13, is deceiving himself and is superstitious and not an atheists


QED

Sir, I have been sent a message about you and this your very comment confirms the truth of the message. Are you seriously trying to argue that the middle east is scientifically advanced? Really? I dont know where to start with that. Do you even know that there are very few scientific journals written in Arabic to start with? What technology comes out of the middle east?

China has the 2nd largest atheist population in the world both by numbers or percentage. China was once a full-on communist country lest you forget.

Sir. I have to respectfully agree with your detractors- you argue without facts.

BlueAngel444:
You say you can speak more math than a god, and you don't even figure out that the population of the world wasn't so large and people settled in closer and assessable regions in those days. So hunger drove men from far and wide to Egypt to get food. Now how far could man have spread from the time of Noah to the time of Jacob, knowing that even one of his sons lived to the days of Abraham.


Hope you do know Asians are still very religious
The middle east very religious
Yet their advancement in science and technology in obviouS


Your faulty reasoning is thinking science started in ye twenty-first century. How were weapons of war made as they have always been made through technology

Most of the major technological advancement are because of war

Sir, your post is not factual. The middle east is not technologically advanced. It borrows every bit of technology it has from the west and develops none itself. The Dubai you see is built by westerners and not Arabs.

Asia has the highest number of atheists in the world if you count the atheists in China, Japan, South Korea and North Korea.

felixomor:
Please I will advise you to try and maintain silence.
There are already well documented cases of Brain dead patients who came back to life miraculously.

But your dear criminal decided to insult his intelligence by saying the doctor "misdiagnosed" them.

I asked him how he confirmed the misdiagnosis.
he went missing.

But I sense u want to help him clean the mess

Sir, I just regretted my decision to butt in.

Silence is the best answer to a

felixomor:
Keeep shut and read the link u provided
And show us where "irreversible" is located in the 4 criteria for brain death l
Clinical diagnosis

Your problem is not only quackery.
You also yell lies.

What a shame!

Sorry to butt in, sir.

How long can you keep this facade going on? No one comes back from brain death. Is it that hard to understand? Or must "irreversible" be written on a medical textbook before you understand?

I entered a discussion with some other christians here and I noticed that there is this tactic of "playing dumb" when facts are introduced.

CatfishBilly:
The diagnosis of brain death is an irreversible loss of brain function, so if it's not irreversible then it's not brain death.

Haba, una dense ooo

Been reading this thread from page one. I am starting to see that it is a common tactic for some people to "play dumb".

Born2Freak:
I personally hate the "atheist" label, even though I am one. The problem is that atheism has been bastardized so much that the "atheist" label means many things.

An atheist could be someone who is agnostic or someone who has 100% disbelief in the existence of God.

Atheism is also a broad word- there are atheists who claim to be witches, some who believe in some ancestral voodoo doodoo. Then there are Stalin and Mao (kingEbukasblog's favourite atheists).

Atheism has also been demonised. Christians and muslims call atheists "God-haters", "Hatetheist" "Anti-religious sodomites". etc


Humanism is a more defined term. You cannot be a racist, homophobe, rapi.st etc and be a humanist. You cannot be an islamophobe or a hater of christians and be a humanists.

Humanists believe in freedom of religion but they hold that government must be secular and treat all beliefs/disbeliefs equally.



Humanism believes in bettering the planet. It believes in rationality. etc.

Why are you not a humanist?



cc Hahn, kingebukasblog, sonoflucifer, hopefullandlord, seun, felixomor, akintom, plaetton, deepsight, johnydon22, cloudgoddess, lepasharon etc

From my username, I am a humanist. It seems we are few on nairaland

Muafrika2:
It's just as easy to create posters that mean what Atheists really want to mean .

It takes a really dishonest or mentally limited person to actually believe that atheists who do not believe in god actually believe that god is real and hate him.

I know you are smarter than that. Please, do not fall my hand.

Muafrika2:
The anger at the supposedly non existent God is real

Funny people

I choose to believe that you are a sensible person. I say this because a sensible person would understand that the atheist rally is not anger against God but a reaction to people using religion to deny other people's rights.

There is also the case of being sarcastic. Sarcasm. For instance, some atheists say "God made me an atheist"- and it is not to be taken literally.

shadeyinka:
I must preach.
Its a duty I have..a command (with a purpose) so that as many as possible will be saved.

If I called a Muslim satanic, that would be a serious offensive action on my part. I rarely do that.Why? They may not serve my God, but they are NOT in opposition to Him.

How about Atheists:
It is true, I strongly believe that they are satanic (no offence intended).
Why?
Satan was the first to attempt to overthrow God and replace Him with himself.
Satan's plan and duty is to convince (through every covert means and strategies) men to do away with God and replace God with other things.

So, men can replace God with
1. Idols (idolatry)
2. Self (atheism)
3. Knowledge (Gnosticism)

Once there is a deliberate choice to replace God with something /someone else, it is satanism.

Interesting, an atheist should never feel offended by the Threat of Hell or the Tag " satanist"! Why?
Because they don't believe in either.

That is my sincere position

What of Bhuddists who dont believe in a god?
What of African Traditional Religion- the religion of your forefathers which involves idolatory?

Are they satanic?

You sir, need to read about other religions. You also need to look at how christianity compares with atheism and other religions in terms of contribution to human development. I will not engage you until you are more well-read.

shadeyinka:
You asked about the atheists I have met. And that's the truth. Most were my lecturers and some colegues.

But the behavior of atheists on NL is seriously immature.

Initially, I thought NL atheists were disposed to reason, but I found it not to be. A sane position would have been for each to explain their believe with
1. Scriptures (if applicable)
2. Logics
3. Analogies
4. Science

But, unfortunately I observed that atheists here do not intend to understand the arguments of Theists but irrespective of what is said, their position is that of antagonism.

I have a deep respect for donffd even though he is an atheist. Why? He is reasonable. If only most of you are like that.

Its quite amusing that most of you do not understand enough science to back up your position. You just repeat arguments without any serious thinking.

I don't hate atheists, no! God forbid!
But without thinking, atheists on NL want Theists to measure spirits in the Lab and provide them with an answer (an impossibility). Its just like attempting to measure the volume of a mass by using a voltmeter.

As a Theist, I know that there are two Spiritual Camps.
Good and Evil!
And all humans MUST belong to either side.
Within each side, one can be deep or shallow
and it doesn't matter whether one is conscious of it or not.

If you are willing, we can chat privately on WhatsApp and you will see that Theists position is not unreasonable.

With Respect!
Shadeyinka

You are now saying "respect" after being rude and condescending to me because I pointed out how I was respectful in our dialogue. You are also generalising and telling lies about atheists. Each lie worse than before.

Sir, I choose not to engage you further until I see that you are willing to be honest. Do not call people "immature" when you are not behaving mature.

shadeyinka:
Seriously speaking, they are more matured than most of the noise makers on Nairaland. They speak the truth even when it makes them loose the argument. They hardly go on evangelizing for the promotion of atheism. Most of them do NOT fight the religious as you do.

With all due respect sir, If silence is golden, then you too should stop preaching. Why gives you the right to talk and others not to? There is even a bit of hypocrisy here as it is the religious that are more aggressive. Who condemns the other side to hell? Even you yourself, have you not called myself and other atheists devils? You have called people of other faiths "satanic", yet you are somehow the righteous one here?

shadeyinka:
I have never traveled out of Nigeria before.
Do you have VISA to give me for North Korea?

Modified:
Seriously speaking, they are more matured than most of the noise makers on Nairaland. They speak the truth even when it makes them loose the argument. They hardly go on evangelizing for the promotion of atheism. Most of them do NOT fight the religious as you do.

On NL, there is donffd, though an atheist, he is more matured that the thrashers on NL. You can check out some of our interactions. The immature behaviors of atheists on NL has probably pushed him off NL.

Atheists do not have any business with preaching...for what purpose? To replace hope with hopelessness?

"He who wants equity must come with clean hands"

Sir, I have been respectful to you. You didnt see me fighting you. I never used harsh words. I speak simple truths.

And sir, you are mistaken if you think western atheists are calmer than us here on Nairaland. They have organisations. They've remove religious practices from public schools. They bash the pope left and right.


Pictures speak louder than words and so, here are your "calm" and "mature" foreign atheists-


https://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130207155845-nr-pkg-costello-atheist-movement-america-00003201-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg


https://nteb-mudflowermedia.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/atheist-group-undo-jesus-says-kill-him-again.jpg

shadeyinka:
Like his father who manufactured lies from the beginning, ...faithful one. Spew more of this

Sir, have you ever been abroad before? Say like the UK, USA, Europe, Asia etc? I wonder how you will engage with people in countries that are not religious.

shadeyinka:
I speak about you.
Agent of Darkness.

He certainly believes in You for you serve him

Why are you being like this. You are more mature than this. Are all atheists agents of darkness?

Mujtahida:
Shockingly this most powerful God of Christians and Muslims doesn't talk. This point alone made me realise that the God who purportedly spoke in the bible is a fraud, in fact an idol. I still believe in God but not the christian god.

A wise man once noted that God, like other dubious claims, never shows up in front of everybody but rather hides in mystery.

JackBizzle:
Superhumanist, abeg give up. Shadeyinka does not believe in logic. Na felixomor kind of person brain dead

No need to engage in name calling. I understand that Shadeyinka is just being dubious. However, it is people like him that fall hard. I was worse than him when I was a christian.

shadeyinka:
It truly must have pained you

Thank you. Goodbye

shadeyinka:
You don't have to believe in Satan. He believes in you. You serve his cause.

How can you be that myopic. Satanism the act of Satan's rebellion predates the creation of man. Satan introduced Adam and Eve to satanism. Satan says to them "when you break this command, you will not die...BUT you will become WISE, knowing everything to become independent of God....you will be like God".

I have paraphrased it in modern English for you since you chose your path of independence, be!

By your definition, all your forefathers and ancestors were Satanists. They were pagans who never worshiped your God. In fact they rejected him until foreigners whipped it into them.

Please, deep and critical thinking is not difficult. Don't be afraid to do it.

shadeyinka:
You sound like it pained you!

The truth hurt sometimes

It is a good thing to learn manners and also, learning not to assume.

I ask again, is north korea the only country where majority are atheists? Why didn't you mention the others?

shadeyinka:
You gave me an early morning chuckle with your post.

I believe you imagin Satan to be a black giant with two big horns, teeth's like lions and eyes red like blood. I am sorry to disappoint you. Satan is one of the most beautiful creatures made by God. He actually shines like a star...he is ardoned with several costly pearls.

What is Satanism:
It is an act of rebellion or defiance against God the creator. It has several forms
1. Replacement of God with Physical Idols (Idolatry)
2. Replacement of God with Self (Atheism)
3. Replacement of God with Satan (Religious form)
4. Replacement of God with Knowledge
This could be done consciously or unconsciously and this is different from the general concept of sin.

There is nothing wrong with herbal medicine.

Stop assuming things about me, please. What makes you think I believe in Satan in the first place. Please, don't be condescending to me. Manners maketh a man.

1. How do you explain the fact that idolatry existed before Judaism and christianity? I say this because it means that God wasn't replaced (but rather, he replaced idolatory) and also Idolatory came before belief in satan (how can it be satanic).

Deep thinking is required. Thanks.

shadeyinka:
Just as it has been a normal practice for Christians to murder and cannibalize law abiding citizens of any country.

North Korea is a perfect example of what the absence of God will lead us to in this CONTEMPORARY world.

Excuse me, is North Korea is the only country where atheism is a majority?

Omission is also a lie.

shadeyinka:
And the Religion called Atheism which is a civilized form of Satanism

Excuse me, I want to ask you a deep question.

Do you as a christian not get tired of being a cliche? Must everything you dont like be "satanic"? So far, I have heard that African traditional religion is satanic, paganism satanic, herbal medicine satanic, harry potter satanic, and so on.

shadeyinka:
Why should a sane person spend his strength, time and livelihood convincing people that Santa Clause does not exist?

To whose interest?

Some Trash need company in the refuse dump. Even Samsung Phones will be convinced to be part of the refuse. SMH

I do not think that the christian or muslim God is on the same level with santa claus, especially when it comes to belief.

Common sense and reasoning can be applied here. No one kills or punishes people in the name of santa claus.

luvmijeje:
Your quote doesn't make sense.

Who are Christians? Christians are followers of Christ's teachings. So if your belief is contrary to Christ's teaching then you're obviously not a Christian.

That is the problem. Christians do not agree on Christ's teachings. Some say that Jesus was a rich man, some say that he was poor. Some say that Jesus is a prophet, some say that he is God. etc

winner01:
Atheists have been more evil. Read my threads for facts.

Point is Christ is our standard and Christ was not evil. And so we can judge anyone who claimed to want to be like Christ if really he is acting Christ-like.

No one is dismissing the Old Testament. It's an important part of the scriptures. Christ-ian's are bounded by a law. I referred you to Romans 8:2.

Paul excercised this law in Acts 19:19.
Seems your bias has gotten the better part of you is there is any.


Was it done by Christ-ians?

The Old Testament is necessary to understand the coming of Jesus Christ. I'm not a Hebrew neither am I a Jew. I am a Christ-ian. Christ-like? How difficult is this for you or do you just not want to accept the fact that CHRIST WAS perfect? .

has anyone here bothered to read up romans 8:2.
Only then will you understand why Jesus stood in the way of religious zealots who were ready to stone an adulterous woman. I think the Christians of today can be judged with the life of Christ.
Okay so you only created a new moniker? I guess you must have like 5 other monikers to team up and like each other's posts
Don't worry, the universe will reward you for your efforts

Sir, you have to be honest to yourself. You can't be judging that people are no longer christians because they do bad things. No one is truly christ-like. Do you not read your bible?

1 John 1:8-10 If we go around bragging, “We have no sin,” then we are fooling ourselves and are strangers to the truth.


To say that Christ is christians' standard is to say that christians have no universal standard because there are different versions of christ. Some christians say that Jesus is the son of God. Some christians say that Jesus is just a prophet.

luvmijeje:
Then they are not Christians.

It is okay. I'm sure that they too feel that you are not a christian.

"A kingdom divided against itself shall not prosper".

luvmijeje:
Says who? We all have the Bible as our central theme. We all believe in Christ. So repeat your point again.

This is not true, ma.

The mormons have their own bible while some other christians believe that Jesus is just a prophet and not a son of God. Christians do not believe the same thing.

Niflheim:
@superhumanist,

Have you heard of "the Satanic Bible" and "the Liber Azerate"?!!!

THE SATANIC BIBLE:........................................."Blessed are the destroyers of false hope, for they are the true Messiahs"

LIBER AZERATE:..............................................."Do what you must to silence liars and the lies they preach"

I haven't heard of those books. I would not be caught dead reading them here in Nigeria.

winner01:
Christ. Jesus Christ. Christ Jesus. That "man" stands against every single thing you have on Christ-ianity. Christ-ians are people that want to be like Christ, that strive to be like Christ. Christ is our standard.

I don't want to speak about the mosaic law because ive done so severally.
There are things called laws and dispensations in scriptures. To know what dispensation we are not, you can refer to Romans 8:2.

But show me where Christ rejected or killed people. We can tell who really is a christ-ian.

What goes on in village churches is not as important as what Christ stood for. Most traditional converts still hold tight their native beliefs and they still engage in heinous acts. I know many so called Christians who still engage in traditional rituals till date. Thanks to Mary slessor, the killing of twins for instance was normal in some parts of traditional religion. Twins were considered evil. I am against several unbiblical acts by Christians. Many of the foreign countries that have more number of religious persons than Nigeria do not engage in these acts. What do we say to that.

Ive forgotten, please who said so?
And why did Paul do otherwise in Acts 19:19.

If you must talk, please put your brains to use.

Sir, witch killing was done in Europe and America in the past by christians. Blaming such evil actions on African traditional religion is not fair. Be honest and admit that christians can do evil as well.

You can't just dismiss the old testament when you like it. The verses are there. I blame christianity for some backwards mentality we Nigerians have.

luvmijeje:
You are still confused. Do all atheists subscribe to this your stand or it's just you?

My personal advice to you which you can't buy with money, stop doing follow follow. Stop your attache mentality and go back to God.

Of course all atheists and deists (I am a deist) are not the same. The "stand" I follow, is an accepted principle in humanism. Not all atheists or deists are humanists. Thank you.