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pazienza:
Nobody should disrupt Dave Umahi from his wonderful work At Ebonyi.
Ebonyi needs Dave continuity.

Peter Obi for VP

I agree with you. But I hope they won't keep peter obi redundant as VP o.... Peter deserves to be a president.

Osagyefo98:
Imagine submission

That's keeping it real and simple.

Osagyefo98:
I wonder how abia state go achieve that without others support coz the last time I checked my governors and our senators and elected representatives are totally against that boy kanu.

H can't command our respect, is never done.

He doesn't need your respect. He already has a LOT OF IT. We saw how governors and senators shiver at the sound of his voice. Some even wanted to befriend him. We saw all that.

However, IPOB wants a referendum, and there is nothing bad with that. Biafra isn't an overnight thing, ipob knows that quite well. So referendum decides whether they move ahead or terminate. Simple.

Obiano, Rochas, ikpeazu, and co should stop shitting on their pants because of KANU.

KANU commands tremendous respect that your governors can only dream of.

Osagyefo98:
OK sire make biafra get biafra make we see

Biafra can only be achieved when we all decide it will be achieved. For now, its a pressure group pushing for referendum, which by and large will indirectly push for better governance amongst pro-nigerians, and I like it that way. But in time, when the chips are down, a referendum will be conducted. Ipob will know whether the east wants a separate country or to remain in Nigeria.

FAKE NEWS.... FAKE NEWS

Curlieweed:
My guy,

Nothing to forgive there oh. They didn’t wrong me oh. It just a matter of qualification. They don’t qualify.

Odiro ofele!

Well its your sincere opinion. Achoghi'm ihe gh'ebute nkewa na alaigbo. Ugwuocha ma mgbe ochei, bu alaigbo.

If they are leaving us, fine. If they are joining us, fine. They matter is inconsequential to me.

Curlieweed:
Thank you, my brother.

Just because he has been Igbo all his life, he thinks it’s easy to become Igbo.

He just wants to extend the privilege to anybody that can pronounce “bia”.

What an insult to our ancestors!

Which ancestors? They will rather be insulted by your unforgiving nature. Onye aghala nwanne ya.

For now, i wont go chasing them to identify with us, but if they themselves run to us sincerely asking to be taken back realising that they were misled by their fathers, I will forgive them but they will have to earn my trust, and they will get it if they prove themselves worthy.

InyinyaAgbaOku pot=71860690:
Good luck, obviously you dey find brothers.
Igbos are complete as far as I am concerned

No. I believe in reconciliation if the opportunity shows itself.

pazienza:
In national matters, nations don't show love to Nations who show hate to them. You show an even greater hate to groups How show hate towards you. If they know you hate and wouldn't waste time to fatally decimate them, should they try to exhibit their hate towards you, it would keep them in check.
Take a look at Israel and how she deals with surrounding hateful nations around her. She replies their hate with even more hate. Throw one bomb at Israel and Israel would throw several bombs at their living quarters and market places, decimating both their young and women alike in the process, ensuring the are left in anguish and pain. Which would serve as deterance to them in future. What stops nations from attacking each other is not love, it's hate. It's called MAD. Once you know that the other nation is capable of administering the kind of hate you have towards them, towards you, it keeps every one in check, and ensures relative peace reigns. Once you give any group the impression that they can exhibit hate towards you, without getting burnt by a greater hate from you to them in the process, you have made yourself a sitting duck.
This is group survival 101.

That's how it works.

Trust is a delicate issue, once broken can never be repaired.
Ikwerre and other Igbo hating Igboid groups can never be truly accepted into Igbo nation again. There will be lingering issue of suspicion. I can never truly accept an Ikwerre man that says he is Igbo, I would immediately see him as an opportunist or a mole, and he would have to do alot of convincing via his works to win me over, and when he is done with such, he would likely look back and observe that he isnt truly welcomed.

I understand where you are coming from, TRUST ISSUES. For the fact that they have been forgiven and welcomed back into fold does not mean you trust them. They will have to earn the trust, I know. Here are a few things to do in checking them while reabsorbing them :

1. Sensitive Igbo leadership posts must be censored from them. They themselves will understand why, until they prove beyond every reasonable doubt, to earn our trust. A cheating spouse may still be accommodated by other because of a lot of factors, but when it comes to sex, flirting, fidelity issues, they will be kept at an arms length.

2. While embracing them as igbos , riot act will be read to them on the consequence of going back to their vomit. That will let them know that there are irreconcilable consequences of denying their brothers TWICE.

onuebonyi:
I don't care about Ohaneze or their likes. Kanu as a person might be a good orator but his youthful exuberance spoilt everything. If he had channelled the goodwill properly he would have been a political key player in deciding elections in the SE. But he started preaching of non election starting with Anambra as if a single state a election means much.

He would have used ipob as a political tool to influence elections and subsequently enthrone people that can push for referendum in the legislative assembly.

Well he has done his own bit.

MASSOB used that tactics, yet they got compromised, conflicted and corrupted by Nigerian politics.

David Cameron of britain understands how fantastically corrupt nigerian politicians are.

By the way, KANU didn't stop those who wanted to vote from voting. He only exonerated ipob from taking part in elections considering how corrupt southeast politicians are from Abia to IMO to ANAMBRA to Enugu to Ebonyi .

onuebonyi:
Please stop this rubbish. Why would anyone be proud of founding a rogue fraudulent group like ipob or massob? So if i may ask, where's Nnamdi Kanu and his ipob right now?

I was one person who never even wanted to have anything to do with ipob because they were dominated by bunch of illiterates recruited by Kanu from Aba. No sane person is ever comfortable with ipob. They have insulted anyone that ever disagreed with them.

Uwazurike is now enjoying the money he made from massob venture. Only fools joins an organization like ipob or massob.

Thank you. That's your opinion. I personally admire KANU because he has what your ohaneze does not have - integrity, courage and charisma.

I sympathize with ipob because I understand their pain and struggle.

Pls don't call the great KANU, in the same breadth with uwazurike the gluttonous narcissist of a Judas.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
They should simply remain with the rest oftbwir Ikwerre people.
Let them stay where they are.
You seem not to understand the calamity that awaits your children from what you are saying, neither do you get the gravity of what's happening now.
You have been Igbo since birth but you want to accept Sb whose can alternate between been Igbo or BINI like 5 times in a year.
No, Sir

Its not true. Not every ikwerre alternate between been Bini and being Igbo. Some have being Igbo since day one.

As of now let those who claim otherwise wraggle in their identity crisis. When their head is finally clear, we will then know next to do.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
Forgiveness is different from accepting one as your own.
They will forever being in the league of every other Yoruba, Hausa, Ijaw and Ibibio.
It's called self preservation.

Kuku conclude we Igbos don't have class, that's why we are harping on accepting People that hate, denigrate and deny ever having anything to do with you.
Oga, Biko stop this thing

Hating back is not a show of class.

Anyway, your opinion is yours. Mine is mine.

If and only if they cry and beg like peter to be accepted, I will embrace them.

Osagyefo98:
The sit at home wasn't noticed in my area coz on that day business thrived and everywhere went normal as it used to be.

If there is total lock down in abia that doesn't means others have time for such madness.




None of my business coz he doesn't deliver food on my table. Let him contain his agitation to abia only, if other states want to join let them go over to abia.
But the peace we enjoy here must not be disturbed



@bolded the more reason he should concentrate his campaign there. Him and his people can't continue to insult other igbo state and expect their support.

Life doesn't work that way. There must be balance.

Continue saving face. Even major cities like Onitsha and Aba stood with ipob, why? Because ipob speaks their mind.

I know your qualms. Its because ipob isn't founded by an anambarian. Sorry eh, they must have lied to you that ONLY ANAMBARIANS have that kind of influence KANU wields.

By the way, uche mefor, the deputy is an anambarian.

Ndo.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
Don't mind him.

Seems he wasn't old enough when the other calamity happened, he just wants to experience it in his lifetime.
No be only accept

Go and read what the asagba of asaba said on vanguard news today about FORGIVENESS. Hating won't take you anywhere.

If ikwerre today humbles themselves and ask for forgiveness, I will forgive them.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
Consider those ones or consider the whole tribe?

If you consider those sincere ones (who are ikwerre) as Igbo, you have also considered ikwerre as our people too. You can't give them a new name. They are Igbo people of ikwerre stock (I'm referring to those sincere ones)

Osagyefo98:
Nobody is interested in ur submission of begging.
Ikwerres are whom they are even now I have ikwerre friends identifying as biafrans in good way not with that mad dog nnamdi kanu from abia state.

And unlike I said earlier kanu should limit his ipob to abia state and abians....we ain't interested.

Furthermore the long term progress of igbos needs we focus in one direction but that won't work wen Enugu, abia , ebonyi keeps insulting other igbos or their igbo brothers

There is no day that passes without them hauling out insults.

We must unanimously agree here and then that all insults to other igbo must first stop before we now spread our tentacles.

Charity they say begins at home.

My dear brother, Your bitterness against Nnamdi KANU and abia state won't change the fact that majority of igboland stood with IPOB at the September sit-at-home directive. Deal with it.

Also, let's not digress from the topic. Nobody is hating on ANAMBRA . ANAMBRA owned monikers rather have been the ones downplaying and insulting other igbo states.

If you hate KANU or ndi abia state, nke-ahu gbasara gi.

Funny enough abia and ipob are mutually exclusive entities.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
You nailed it. They must never be accepted back if things start turning around in the East.
They deserted us in times of peril and even denigrated in addition.

And some folks were saying " what will you do if they decide to become Igbos tomorrow, that we must accept them". Rubbish talk.
How can you accept sb whose Igboness changes like weather?
Some of us want to make the same non visionary mistake our heroes made. Tagging just everybody along.
The same mistake IPOB made.

Pls let's note that there are a handful ikwerre that still identify as ndigbo, let's consider them. Let's not throw away the baby with the bath water.

Peter denied being a follower of Jesus 3 good times! Well, we all know what happened afterwards.

Let's leave a door open for those still identify with us.

If they (the ikwerres) should come back begging us because they have indeed come to their senses, then we are obligated to forgive them. Its like the story of the prodigal son.

onuebonyi:
Obiora you gave made great points. I totally agree with you on this. The PH International gateway can serve Igbos at least for now. Bubu has done the rational thing concerning enugu state airport.

Enugu should have an international airport. If we the igbo already do have it in AIIA , then it MUST be upgraded and maintained.

Yorubas are milking us as we use their Lagos airport while still insulting us, don't you think ikwerre people will do same? Why can't we milk ourselves? Enugu international airport is the way forward.

ariesbull:
But wait a minute....are they this stupid ? What did the Igbo man dị to them ? They have oil yet they are poor, less educated, less travelled, less exposed and their villages are terrible


So are we the one that gave their oil well to the North ? Are we the ones that killed Ogoni 9

One thing about hate is that it stops one from progress and to be honest Ikwere people are backwards ....as if ogba to be honest I have never seen ịgba man here In Lagos ! The last time I saw an Ikwere man was like 2015 his name is uche

So who cares

Lol.... They think hating on igbos publicly will make them less Igbo and more acceptable to others

In the event of any unrest or attack, they will still be seen as Igbo...... Lol....

They indirectly seek for our attention by bearing our names, displaying our culture and tradition and even want to marry our women.

Obi1kenobi:
Ogba people too are from Benin? Benin seems to have sired a lot of baastard children. Seems everyone in the Niger Delta apart from Ekoid groups claim Bini ancestry.

As for the emboldened, I wish it were true, but it isn't. Too many Igbos expend far too much effort on Igboid groups with identity crises. This only succeeds in hardening the resolve of these groups and they adopt a siege mentality against what they believe to be an external threat. It also flatters their egos and makes them feel rather important to believe we care that much about them. They wouldn't spend so much time dissociating themselves from the Igbo nation if we stop trying to shove our identity down their throats. Leave the identity debates to their intellectuals to argue over.

Thank you my brother. I see reason with what you said. These igboid feel too important because we make them feel so.

However, a few among them still wear their igboness with honor and prestige, that is why I sometimes try not to generalize all of them as confused.

ariesbull:
You are too daft to get me irritated

daftie. tata......

ariesbull:
It's a lie...have you asked why Jews are hated ½ see themselves as superior and choosen


Stop arguing like a tot

.you are sounding daft bro

You are too small to annoy me. Good riddance to bad rubbish....

Develpeast:
It seems you are too scared to act. You are always paying attention to what outsiders think than what people in your home think about you. This is very disheartening.

Too scared to act as how? I don't get your point.

When you are in an igbophobic environment, apply more stealth than exhibitionism. Reckless boasting won't take you anywhere. Listen to the great Achebe at least, even if you don't want to agree with me.

ariesbull:
Isreal make noise when they have right ? Just look at nzuzu when they tell you they are choosen people every time is what

When Benjamin went to address USA and un and bragged about Isreal is what

When they tell that in front of their arab neighbours is what


Nna mechie ọnụ

I wonder how you engage in a conversation. Your post sounds juvenile.

Almost every group of people claim to be Gods chosen people. The only reason why you know that of Israel is because you are of christian background or of western ideology.

That said, you should know that in Israel's nascent days, they stealthily built their nation WITHOUT ARROGANTLY BOASTING to their neighbours. US, UK, etc was their mouthpiece.

Today, they can boast as much as much as they want because they have the highest number of inventors (e.g Einstein), Economists (Karl Marx) and religious figures (Mary, David, Jesus, etc) and most of all, THEY ARE Today, ONE OF THE STRONGEST AND TECHNOLICALLY ADVANCED NATION ON EARTH. Its their time to boast, why wont they? And most of all, their enemies are OPENLY threatening their existence as a people, yet they succeeded above their neighboring enemies technologically, economically and militarily.

As for we Igbo, we are still nascent in our nationhood. We must be careful with our habit of exhibitionism and arrogance.

Stop acting juvenile. Respond like a grown-up

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ariesbull:
Who told you that Isreal makes no noise...go and listen to Benjamin Netanyahu address and see how he shows pride and achievements

Igbo are not showy...we are just too patriotic and that is good and the more the Nigerian shows Igbo phobia the better for us...it's a manure...if they show love the Igbo would be complac

The Israelis only make noise WHEN THEY HAVE TO. But for our people, just like the great Achebe observed, make arrogant and unnecessary noises about their achievement and downplaying others with it, in their faces! And if other tribes do it, must we? We should in my opinion be stealth in our moves. We are in an igbophobic society. We should only make the noise when situation calls for it. Shikena.

ZZ22:
Its so hypocritical of you to say no one calls them to order. What is wrong with you? Chino and his multiple handles have been called out severally here but as an Igbophobic guy, you overlook such posts looking for the ones to demean Igbos. At page 212 of this thread i called out the numerous handles chino operates with and bestview is among them but you don't see such posts, you go about on nairaland looking for where to attack Ndiigbo particularly Anambra people.
Like Pazienza said, for you to prove your Igboness recommending Chino as witness says much about you.


What do we call the well known gully that has been at Nkwelle Oraukwu for long?

Obi1kenobi may be wrong sometimes, but he definitely isnt wrong today.

Pazienza on the other hand may be right sometimes, but he is definitely wrong today. More so, he is an artful dodger shape shifting into different monikers.

No igbo just attacks ANAMBRA people, I for one, I don't do such. However, a lot of ANAMBRA owned monikers attack other Igbo communities. Today it is Abia, tomorrow it is Enugu or IMO, the next day it is Ebonyi or anioma people.

Pls the good people of ANAMBRA , call these lousy narcissistic monikers to order. You know them. Call them to order. If anyone at some point disagrees with their opinion, they start attacking the person's Igboness or even blackmail the person as being another moniker.

RareDiamonds:
You have turned this thread into a HIGHLY EDUCATIVE Igbo seminar and conference. Most of us are reading diligently and interestingly your educative and expository lectures on Igbo affairs.

Pazienza, we have noticed you. Keep replying yourself with different monikers.

hammer6F:
U can see the type of adminiistration that Chino is under in Anambra and u are surprise that they come here to insult other Igbos.


They claim Bianca is not Anambra and several of them have gone as far as telling me that Bianca Ojukwu should go and contest in Enugu.


I dont know if u guys have been following the Anambra thread but my ears are full.


I will post some of their comment here.

Lol....get used to it. Some anambarians are funny, but hey, its their business, this is nairaland.

Obi1kenobi:
Interesting...you for at least quote me, nah....let me know someone was attacking me, rather than copy and pasting comments.
1) Not every Igbo on Nairaland believe what you claim. There are something like half a dozen of you that assert it all the time.
2) They do it because their ego is bruised from being told hard truths - and double-bruised when the hard truths come from a kinsman. Delegitimizing my origin soothes their ego better. Reminds me of an American website a few weeks ago where some black Americans claimed criticisms of Serena William's tirade at the umpire in a match was motivated by racism. When I pointed out that as a black person, I resent seeing racism trivialized and playing the race card to cover bad behavior from black people, these black Americans claimed I'm just a white troll impersonating a black person. People who embrace the hive mentality and group-think don't cope very well with criticism from one of their own. Jewish critics of Israel come in for pretty savage attacks from the hardline right of the pro-Israel lobby.

Anyone that reads my comments in a recent thread like this:
https://www.nairaland.com/4728283/brazil-adopts-yoruba-official-language/6#71192797
or my posting history and comes away thinking I'm some impersonating Yoruba posing as Igbo is beyond help. But whatever helps you feel better is okay.



Whether I'm Igbo or not, I criticize whoever the hell I want, whenever I want, however I want. I need no one's permission. Also, there is nowhere I ever said only Igbo people brag - so that's just a strawman distortion. I've been clear that this brash arrogance is disproportionately prevalent among Igbos. Igbos are Nigeria's biggest supremacists. We're well famed for it. It is among Igbos you hear nonsense about being "the most intelligent black race" (there's one snapshot like that meatheads like to post here asserting the rubbish). It's Igbos that love to insult Northerners as basically low IQ subhumans (the only people on Nairaland I've ever shut down for saying Northerners are low IQ people are all Igbos with no exception). It's Igbos that are obsessed with appropriating an alien culture as their own (claiming to be Jews) because they believe it to elevate them over other black ass niggas. Yes, I'd say Igbos do it more than other groups.



Demonstrate? No, I have conducted no scientific study "demonstrating" it and no one is interested in such a study. I have lived and interacted long enough with other Nigerians to state obvious group perceptions. I stated what every Nigeria group knows. If you conducted a poll among all Nigerian groups as to the most arrogant, insufferable group in Nigeria, Igbos would win in a landslide. I know this. You know this, despite the bravado. We all know this. But keep waiting for my Newtonian demonstration to establish the reality.



Well, for such a "hampered" group, the Yorubas seem to have done pretty well for themselves home and abroad. And don't seem to aggravate other groups in Nigeria as much as Igbos while succeeding. That gives me pause. Another strawman you've created is looking to make out that I am blaming Igbos for all the resentment they attract. I have said that "there is plenty of blame to go around", but pointed out Igbo behavior that contributes to this. Yorubas for example aren't as widely distributed around Nigeria as Igbos which might contribute to why there isn't as much conflict between them and other groups as with Igbos and their host communities. All I sought to point out was how Igbos contribute to the perception about them rather than solely arrogating blame to them. Case in point was your nonsensical point about Aniomas yesterday making it out like many of them reject Igbo identity because they are somehow jealous of us and fearful of our competitive dominance (nevermind that Aniomas are one of Nigeria's most successful clans). Arrogance like that contributes to the perception of Igbos in Nigeria, and contributes to the identity crisis of Igboid groups.
It's interesting that you talk about "herd mentality" with no sense of irony, when you think any self-critical Igbo man is an impostor because you're intolerant of his views. You encapsulate everything about herd mentality.



I wasn't trying to change you, sunshine. I already asserted before that whatever you imagine me to be doesn't change a single hair on my head. A couple of Nairalanders (including one of the bigger mischief makers, Chino) know my real name - probably from my interactions on a job or NYSC thread years ago, or an email address I once posted. Calling me an "afonja" or aboki or whatever you choose is your prerogative on an anonymous internet forum. We have no restrictions to our foolishness here.

Well nailed. I must admit for once that i agree with you. The dude even said I was another one of your monikers.

He attempted turning every innocent posts I made upside down to appear justified in his self-serving positions.