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nnamdijonathan:
or its because of joblessness? lol

Lol.... You wish. Honestly I wish I retire early. This my work leave is sweet no be small.

nnamdijonathan:
lol Biafra? And you are fighting for VC position? lol. Anybody fighting for Biafra should be making sure everything goes against Igbo politicians for them to lose interest in Nigeria. The biggest threats to Biafra are the Igbo politicians. All Nigerians need to do is continue to favour Igbo politicians with juicy positions and watch how Biafra will continue to be a pipe dream even till the next 70 years or more. If you love Biafra, drop your stupid call for Igbo VC in 2019 and Igbo presidency in 2023

Na wa o... I know say e pain you no be small....just chill and let's stop the bitterness.... We are one.

BankeSmalls:
Or does he think he can stop us from praising our fatherland, Biafra? You have been very active and has not slept in three days because of this thread, you must be a strong IPOB member?

Lol..... Of course I sleep. Maybe because I have time.

I sympathize with IPOB that's all.

nnamdijonathan:
You guys have wasted over 30 pages discussing about dead Igbo leaders of the 60s and Ikwerre people instead of talking about the current crop of "mistakes" that are currently ruling us. Even the likes of Cjrane, horsepower etc that usually contribute to this thread have all been silent of recent because of the boring topics.

See this one....and you think you have made a rational statement right?

pazienza:
Perfect analogy . IPOB and her sympathizers would soon lose connection to Ndiigbo. If they don't recognize the above and queue up. Igbo pride and dignity, must be repaired and protected from those who want to batter it.
Igbo pride and aspirations would not be offered on the altar of senseless unity with Igbophobic entities down South.

Mouth..... That's what you have.

Wait until we expel you from igboland if you dare cause disunity among igbos of every creed. Your time is ticking.

pazienza:
They will not be ignored.
There issue has been well dissected and a consensus reached here. Which is that they are not Igbos. Stop dragging it already.

Mtcheeeew...... Read your friends post again and stop fooling yourself.

Your greatest undoing will be to bend, twist and 'doctor' words out of their real context.

pazienza:
Thank you very much.
Inconclusion :

1. Ikwerre is not Igbo
2. If any Ikwerre accepts Igbo tag, accept him as an individual,but never for once extend that to mean that Ikwerre is now part of Igboland.

This is all I have been preaching.

For example, if tomorrow Wike comes out tomorrow and say he is Igbo, we would accept him, but we would still treat him as a person who is from non Igbo land, ie Ikwerreland, and therefore will not be allowed to take Igbo quota.

This is how it should be.

ARTFUL DODGER. MR. DOUBLE SPEAK.

I THOUGHT YOU WANTED HATE HATE AND HATE FOR THEM?

I thought you wanted to reject all ikwerre because of the sins of others.
Hypo.....that's you.

pazienza:
Thank you very much.

Lol....you can save face for Africa. You'd better project issues properly than spreading hate.

Ignore the ikwerres. If they identify with you, receive them. If they don't, forget them. They are INCONSEQUENTIAL.

ChinenyeN:
There is actually some historical bitterness between Ngwa and Ikwerre.

Yes, we recognize actual blood kinship with a good section of the Ikwerre population, but we know better than to waste our time debating the who, what, when, how and why of their being Igbo or not being Igbo.

It will be in the best interest of Igbo people to simply make their plans, under the assumption that they have nothing to do with Ikwerre. If one or two Ikwerre stragglers decides to associate with Igbo, then fine, accept them, but don't waste your time thinking such extends to the whole Ikwerre population.

So for the time being, just carry on as though they are not and will not be involved.

Thanks for articulating my thoughts better. pazienza have you heard?

OreMI22:
i won't speak much on that issue.
But i interact with IPOB leaders on the western hemishpere. But they are mostly like NK in reasoning. "I want to die for Biafra kind of mindset". If we all want to die needlessly before the fight even starts, who will be alive to lead the fight?

I even advised them to ask NK to leave Nigerian after his May bail because if they realize they couldn't incarcerate his through the courts, they will find a reason to invade his home and murder him. They all said it was impossible because Nigeria will burn if that happened. I don't know why it's so hard to reason with my brothers.

KANU was denied access to travel. His passport were seized.

Truth is, Nigeria almost burnt because plateau state experienced a backlash of the Igbo vs north crisis. Security patrols were designated in all strategic places.

Northerners sent some governors as envoy to the southeast to meet the eastern governors. The Igbo governors had to proscribe ipob so as to assuage the uneasy feelings of the military and the north

Those were days of tension in Nigeria.

If KANU had successfully left, they would say he ran away like ojukwu.

So its not as you see it.

OreMI22:
Look, here in the US, i am one the IPOB strategists.

Having Judicial officers isn't the same as having a proper strategy. What i am talking about is how to EXPOSE all the Nigerian atrocities and the imbalance of the federation by speaking about the facts of the issue without saying one insulting word to anyone- even Buhari. Just say what he is doing, don't waste precious time calling him a jihadist or Pedophile. You achieve by stating the facts and lose by insulting anyone.

This is the approach IPOB must adopt. "SPEAK ABOUT THE FACTS & INJUSTICES, DON'T WASTE TIME ON INSULTING ANY POLITICIAN"

I have said in futility here that we must emulate what the Jews did in post WW2 Europe. The jews didn't have guns, but they nicely articulated what they suffered under Hitler and the Nazis and it was clear to the entire world that they needed their own homeland.

Now, it is not something you can do in a minute, but learn to gather and present evidence as FACTS! Don't say 200 people were killed if 20 were killed. Once you do that, Nigeria will present their counter evidence and your effort will simply become "Propaganda"

OK.... I now get your point. But wait, are you really an IPOB strategist?

OreMI22:
Nwanne, YOU WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE IF YOU ARE MR. "I KNOW IT ALL."

We have to listen and change tactics. It is so painful, when you hear our people simply saying just keep making noise. For what??

We have to be strategic and make the noise in a way that we can articulate what Nigeria is doing to Biafrans and WHY we want Independence. Unless you articulate these, Nigeria will always have the upper hand because they articulated their position nicely.

In this world, you MUST let people see the injustice done to you and not just keep shouting "Injustice, Injustice, without articulating what your struggle is all about"

Nwnne, I understand where you are coming from. But I am used to armchair critics underrating these guys, yet they themselves are toothless.

If IPOB changes strategy, THEY WONT ANNOUNCE IT. They will do it before you realize it.

Leave these guys with their strategy. If they must make adjustments, they know how to go about it.

OreMI22:
IPOB has a point, but they lack the proper intellect to pursue it.

Unfortunately, they were led by Nnamdi Kanu, with typical Igbo behavior of i know it all and i will listen to nobody.

IPOB asking for referendum is proper but not doing so in Nigeria. They should seek for audiences with governments and members of partliament abroad to table their cases. They also lack proper presentation skill. They keep saying, they pedophile, the islamic mallam is killing us and all sorts of childish talk -WITHOUT GIVING FACTS AND FIGURES!

Somebody should help them gat facts and figures so that when they say we are not members of country's security, they immediately back it up with a statement as "Among the 7 service chiefs, none of them are Igbo. Yet, Igbo is one of the 6 geopolitical zones in Nigeria.

They will say, they are killing us extra-judicially and immediately back it up with a statement of fact: "In May 2015, The Nigerian army killed 30 people in a church in Nkpor Anambra state where they had gone to PRAY for the restoration of Biafra", In January 2016, Nigerian army killed 15 youths in streets of Aba, jubilating on the street when they heard the court had granted bail to nnamdi Kanu. In July 2017, the Nigerian army under it's infamous operation Python dance murdered 21 pro-Biafra youths arrested in a bus driving from Aba to Umuahia. The murdered youths were neither armed nor violent. In September 2017, Nigerian army invaded the home of Nnamdi Kanu killing 30 people and taking away Nnamdi Kanu and his parents. Their status is still unknown right now. In February 2018, Nigerian Police killed two women protesting the continued incaceration of lack of information on whereabout of nnamdi Kanu and kept the others in jail for 10 days without bail or visitors......

You have to STATE THE FACTS EVERYTIME and not just keep saying Buhari is a pedophile, he is a fool or some childishness. I have told them that if people from Catalonia simply said Spain is killing us the President of Spain is a pedophile because he is 20 years older than his wife, will you take them seriously? Is the issue Buhari's pedophilia or Biafra's freedom?

Nna, you must be kidding if you think IPOB has NO legal or intellectual framework.

Just recently the UN invited them for a hearing. They have gone too far to change their strategy. Just so you know.

I like the way they are being underestimated, so that they wont be restrained in pushing ahead.

ghostfacekillar:
tell them ooo...the worst is that they don't take advice

Advice from who? How many associations or even class group have you led? Pls park a beg.

Do your own let ipob learn from you.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
They have ended already, after bringing disgrace to Igboland.
Imagine, dragging middle belt into the mix too. Shuo!!
Those groups didn't waste time to give press statements from their various cultural unions in all newspapers in this country, denouncing how they aren't Igbos and for those who are definitely not Igbos, how they aren't Biafrans.
See them talking of how people died in Rivers for IPOB. No be Eastern Igbos wey dey live there die so? The others were accidentally killed.

Those people are looking for who to exterminate , not me. The only thing that organization will achieve with their modus operandi is continuous extrajudicial killings of Igbos till our numbers deplete.
If you ask them they will say that the FG can keep on killing, that the international community is watching. Watching gini? They haven't finished watching Syria and now Cameroun.

Always adamant to all forms of useful advice.
You don't want election and you want referendum? Onye ga enye gi ya etu ahu?
I am pro Biafra mana m si gi na m ghotara ndi a, kpoo m onye asi .
Biafra will come but in the most reasonable way.
Say no to Multiethnic Biafra, not even for Referendum sef.

Nothing will ever be good in your eyes.

Go and start your own organization with your own game plan or strtegy on how to liberate ndigbo from the present political quagmire.

Leave ipob alone. Write your own book if you don't like theirs (apology to Achebe).

pazienza:
Not really. We never abused Ikwerre people. We are merely reacting to their actions towards us.
Those who accept Igbo tag amongst them are welcomed, as long as they understand that Ikwerreland is not part of Igboland.
We have many Igbos with American, Italian , polish, British citizenship. It doesn't make Igboland part of those countries.
Same should be applicable to Ikwerres who identify with Ndiigbo.

My Aba story. It's real. I'm real nwa Aba. Spent solid four years in Aba. No place in Aba that I don't know.
Ask Old timers here like ChinenyeN.
I use to be one of those who argued endlessly that Ikwerre were Igbo. ChinenyeN being an Ngwa person knew better and tried to tell me otherwise.

I yab ikwerre guys till tomorrow. But those who confess sincerely about being igbo, I accept them as Igbo too.

frozen70:
Lol, the number of women that are devil are less than the number of women that are angels

So stick to the larger number

Where did you get your statistics from?

Mtcheeeew

GuyWise:
Now, it is time you stop this your nonsense, I am from Abia State Isiala Ngwa to be precised if I tell you how I was disgraced in Abuja by two Ikwerre guys you will doubt me.

Dude, stop embarrassing yourself. You are angry with 2 ikwerre guys that disgraced you right?

But would you have been angry if they identify with you? Be sincere.

pazienza:
Lol! Abia and Imo people hate Ikwerres even more.
I lived in Aba for four years.
Abians/Imo people have been direct reciepients of Ikwerre Igbophobia. They know Ikwerres better and can never call Ikwerre people Igbos.

It's even naive Igbos from Enugu, Anambra, Ebonyi that mistake Ikwerres for Igbos


Brother, forget this argument. No matter how good a lawyer is, he can't expect to defend the indefensible and win.

What you have been doing so far, is furtile attempt at defending the indefensible.

Defend what? This is not a argumentative tournament.

We abuse ikwerre people. We sometimes downplay them. But we NEVER and I repeat, NEVER, reject those who identify as Igbo.

So I suspect your Aba story as dubious.

pazienza:
Ikwerre is either Igbo or its not. And as it stands, Ikwerre is not Igbo. There is nothing like culturally Igbo. You are either Igbo, or you are not, it's that simple.
Stop your deceptions. It wouldn't work.

Well most researchers and social scientists are with me on this one.

Keep your opinion to your fellow Enugu kinsmen, no abia or IMO person will reject any ikwerre man who has identified himself as Igbo.

We are still healing as a people. Your hate won't stop the healing.

Tushkito:
Sometimes when I see my people talk like this am almost moved to tears.

I was born in Lagos but brought up in portharcourt before moving out to Akwa. These ikwerre people are not igbos, they dispise anything igbo with so much hate bitterness and venom, let me tell u guys another story.

I went to a shop own by an igbo man( may his soul rest in peace) to get something for my family, there was a little boy who was brought by the man to help in the shop, he spoke mostly igbo and little English.

Someone came before me so he was served first, the boy asked him what he wanted to buy mistakenly in igbo language and the guy said "no dey speak that una language for me abeg, I no be igbo", everybody was staring at him in shock including me cause I never expected such a crude reaction to someone speaking a language that is not yours to you.

That guys name is chimene and he is ikwerre.

A sick brother should not be completely neglected. If his reaction to you is what made you change towards other ikwerre, then its unfortunate.

Hear my own story:

I served in birnin-kebbi as a corper. Because the number of Igbo corpers were not much, we valued our day to day meetings. Ikechi, an ikwerre guy openly rejected being called Igbo, unknown to him, a elderly Hausa man heard. The Hausa man called his attention to hear his stance again in order to be sure he heard ikechi correctly. Ikechi repeated it again. The Hausa man laughed mockingly at ikechi, saying "ikechi, I sabi port Harcourt well well, this war and politics don't finish una brain well well.... To us, you be Igbo. We sabi una people tey tey".

Do you know ikechi was so ashamed of himself? He had to begin to explain that it was his parents that told him to reject being called Igbo. That igbos are not well favored in Nigeria.

So my brother, at best ignore them, but don't hate them. Don't beg them. Just ignore them.

OreMI22:
What i don't understand is repeatedly saying he does not want to use their facilities. Then why do they matter to you if they are Igbos or not? If i don't care to use German ports and facilities, why keep hammering Germans on the internet until they accept they are Igbo?

I agreed with him that Igbo should develop our own facilities and homeland. But it does not mean we have to be everyone's enemy. You can very well develop your facility and people will queue up to come and live in Igboland.

People queue up to go to Europe and America because the facilities there are developed. Americans or Europeans don't need anyone to swear allegiance to Europe or America because those places aren't begging them. The only place begging you to swear allegiance to them are undeveloped places because they know nobody wants to be from there. That is why we MUST develop our own infrastructure in Igboland. - PERIOD!

I'm with you my brother 100%. Don't mind pazienza's isolationist tendencies......e dey e body.

pazienza:
No Igbo man or non Yoruba man can claim Yoruba in Lagos to win elections.
Infact, Yorubas have fought fiercely with any non Yoruba who tried to use the term "Lagosians" to identify themselves. They are not as naive as you want us to be.

Ikwerre as represented By Ogbako Ikwerre has said they are not Igbos. Celestine Omehia categorically said in Ogbako Ikwerre convention in 2017 that Ikwerre has no link with Ndiigbo, that they originated from Bini. Ogbako Ikwerre is not a political organization. It is a social cultural organization.
If any Ikwerre want Ndiigbo to identify with Ikwerre, then they should go talk to Ogbako Ikwerre people and agree with themselves, and when they are done, they should come out unanimously to give us their decision.
As it stands, Ikwerre is not Igbo, and there is no amount of cries, twisting and meandering you do on NL that will change that.
You and your ilks should stop deceiving and setting up Ndiigbo for ridicule and exploitation from Ikwerre persons and and other SS Igboid groups whose people are not Igbos. Ndiigbo will nolonger accept this.

Yorubas rejected vigorously attempts by Zik to pass off as a Lagosian and rule SW.

Whether Zik intentions were genuine or not genuine, the fact still remain that Yoruba national interests are better protected by one of them, and not a person with questionable loyalty. Simply giving your child Yoruba names or answering Yoruba names shouldn't be good enough. And same is applicable to Ikwerres.

They aren't Igbos. Any of your Ikwerre friends uncomfortable with this truth, should go and meet his Eze and Ogbako Ikwerre, and not Ndiigbo.

Dalu.

Politically, ikwerre isn't Igbo

Culturally, ikwerre is Igbo

This is as it stands now, don't add nor subtract from it.

If you know what "ogbako" is, you would stop belittling yourself.


Read your post again and see how your sense contradicts itself.

pazienza:
One can't aggravate what is already at its maximum. Ikwerre Igbophobia has reached its maximum. It can't be aggravated furthe. Moreover, pointing it out cannot even aggravate it weren't already at its maximum, it would rather arm Ndiigbo and prepare us to tackle them better by redefining our relationship with Ndi Ikwerre.

It's not just politics. Every single Ikwerre man believes that Gowon is their liberator, whereas Ndiigbo were their oppressors and are still on a mission to start oppressing them again, if given the chance.
The stadium was named Liberation stadium in the first place, to celebrate their liberation from Igbo oppressors.
This was done after the war, so we could forgive them.
But for Wike to come and rename the stadium, Gowon stadium in 2017, while giving an Igbophobic speech that demonically presented Ndiigbo as oppressors who oppressed Ikwerre people and Rivers people in old Eastern region, you must know that things have not changed.
The story Wike told there, is exactly what Ikwerre commoners echo in their facebook pages. It's all too familiar.

Nazis had apologized for their role in Jewish pogrom, so what? Israelis should now start renaming infrastructures after Hitler?
Please spare me that talk. Non of those Igbo names sanctioned mass starvation against Nigerians. Non of them invaded Nigerians and bombed market places filled with market women and children, in bid to prevent food circulation and maintain starvation policy. Neither did they bomb Northern hospitals. Infact, I doubt you are even Igbo, I guess I'm replying you as an academic exercise.

Now I understand why people curse the mention of Igbo in their lexicon. People like you are the cause.

The sooner you free yourself from hate the better.

River state isn't an ikwerre-only state. Other tribes are there too. So they are a miniature Nigeria of some sort. Is port harcourt not in nigwria? So the structure can be named after any nigerian at any given point in time.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
They will tell you to your face and go back and continue their I am not Igbo stance.

Some of you just don't get it.
If the chiefs are saying so, how come their masses aren't? Obviously, it's a scam

A scam from who? The chief? So you have concluded that the chief was scamming him. Believe whatever you wish to believe. Sometimes I wonder whether you are truly pan-igbo.

OreMI22:
What is so difficult for our people to grasp is that the quarrel in Nigeria is all about opportunity.

The fear for the Igbo is exactly the fear or hatred you have for a better candidate that shows up to the same job interview as you.

Let Ndigbo look inwards and build their own area. Let Ndigbo STOP focusing on how to count all the things they did to develop Kano or Sokoto!

Let Ndigbo build their own infrastructure, and nobody will deny that you did it! We can get a world bank loan and get Chinese CCC to construct this railway network that will revolutionize the zone and ease the stress of doing business in our zone. But the SE governors must work together and stop acting like thin gods in their tiny states. The must look up and see the bigger picture of regional economic integration as the only viable way to develop the region. The first step is an efficient railway system and the second is a power generating capacity through coal and gas.

Depending on FG to build anything reasonable in the SE is like asking Satan to help you get to heaven. It will NEVER happen!

My brother, na i-too-know dey kill some of our brothers. Its incredible.

Let them go on hosting and see where it takes them.

OreMI22:
Sometimes the senselessness of your post gets me. I have never seen anyone that does anything without a concrete outcome they want to achieve. But for you, you just want to rant for nothing until Ikwerres scream they are Igbo. So what?? If i don't need to use Japanese ports, airports and lands, why do i need to go on a tirade just to get Japanese to accept they are Igbo? You can see why and how you don't make sense at all.

If you don't want to use port Harcourt and you know Igbos can stand without the Ikwerres, why don't you simply ignore them instead of spewing pointless hate on the internet? If you see an Ikwerre man claiming Igbo for a political position and you are tackling him with your points, then it would make sense then.

What you want to achieve with your tirade is for Ikwerre to accept they are Igbo or not. Fine, if Ikwerre say they are Igbo, so what? What does it change?

Don't mind pazienza, people like him are weak at heart. They easily react and break to a little challenge or adversity.

pazienza:
You got it all wrong.
My reason for my stance on Ikwerre, is that it is essential we defined who is Igbo. If we don't do this, the entire Nigeria would take us for a ride and exploit us to the fullest.
Not long ago, GEJ is Igbo, Even Dakuku when he needed Igbo votes, became Igbo. Why do you think they are doing that?
Have you ever asked yourself that? Until we rid ourselves of all these opportunists we would never regain our stand in Nigeria. You make Igbo tag a cheap commodity to groups who openly deride and denounce us, and you wonder why no one takes us serious any longer in Nigeria?

Jim Nwobodo solved nothing. Ikwerres Igbo hate had nothing to do with our coming to Ikwerre land for jobs or to school. If it were, they would have simply enacted Indigene policies to protect and favour their own indigenes in admission processes and job opportunities, which is exactly what state schools in SE do. You will struggle as an Anambra man to get admission in EBSU Abakaliki,, because of their indigenous quota status.
Same thing with getting jobs in any state government institution in any SE state that is not your state of origin.
Indigenous protectionist policies are present in all SE states, yet they are not avenues for Igbophobia or Igbo denial.

You are simply juxtaposing issues here. Infact I'm beginning to wonder if you even understand the fundamental issues in discourse here. You are simply all over the place.

Nobody is dragging PH with anyone. I was born and bred in Enugu, I'm not from Enugu, I know I can't be governor of Enugu State tomorrow, but I also know that Enugu is an Igbo state whose people are Igbo people, and who Harbour no deep seated resentment towards me.
By the way, I don't live in Ph, but I'm glad you know that any Igbo man who had lived in Ph, will never support any idea to add Ikwerre to Igboland. Because they would have come face to face with the scathing reality of the Igbophobia of those people.

Eziokwu bu ndu. We will keep saying the truth, until our people swallow it, and together, we can revive the Igbo nation back to life again, after we must have cut off the current vampires and vultures feeding off us.

Mr. I-sabi-am-pass, all you have stated are sheer political gimmicks.

If I want to be a house of rep member in Lagos or i want to get an appointment or contract in Lagos, I may play the politics of been seen as a lagosian. Why? because tribe and religion is a strong political tool in Nigeria.

Stop creating a storm in a teacup.

Zik played that politics too of been zungeru by birth to be embraced by northerners. He gave his children Yoruba names to be accepted by the Yoruba. Its all POLITICS. Are you this naive? Nobody is a fool, we are know our ethnic boundaries but as humans, we embrace those who readily identify with us.

No non-igbo SS can dream of vying for governorship post in SE, but it does not stop them from wanting to identify with igbos. And for those who remain clinged to the notion of being culturally Igbo, you can't DIS-IGBO them. Let them be.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
The way our righteousness is like abomination to God is exactly the way your persistence on this matter is to me.
Majority carries the vote. Your Ikwerre friend is not enough to make Igbos the laughing stock of the world.
No matter what you say here, Ikwerre isn't Igbo. QED.

What you think is inconsequential to me. Those who share my thoughts knows better.

And stop calling God. Hate isn't in his agenda. Its an abomination for you haters to bring God into your hate analogy.

pazienza:
Stop confusing issues. No one is speaking of Asa and Ndoki Rivers here. Those ones are proud Igbos.

The present determine the future. People like you are stuck in the past when Ikwerre were Igbo( even some of them are beginning to question this, as they claim they were at no point, Igbos), and PH was an Igbo town. That past is gone. The early you lots snap out of your past and live in present, which is accepting the reality that Ikwerre is not Igbo and that Ph is now an Ikwerre-Ijaw city, the better you lots.

The sooner you realize the extent to which politics can go the better you know how to address the identity crisis issue.

I accept whoever identifies with us and rejects those who don't.

Keep your sense to yourself.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
Biafra will lose big time if you consider others for referendum Cos they will vote against Biafra.
The only reason Biafra is bloody is because
The referendum should be restricted to Igbo people only, that way, the pass rate will be high.

The idea intends achieving two things -

1. Determine those who identify as biafrans

2. Determine those who want a seperate Biafra republic. This is because not all Biafra minded Igbo want a new Biafra republic

That is IPOB's idea. I know these guys.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
Biafra will lose big time if you consider others for referendum Cos they will vote against Biafra.
The only reason Biafra is bloody is because
The referendum should be restricted to Igbo people only, that way, the pass rate will be high.

The idea intends achieving two things -

1. Determine those who identify as biafrans
2. Determine those who want a seperate Biafra republic. This is because not all Biafra minded Igbo want a new Biafra republic