₦airaland Forum

nnamdijonathan:
didn't you see Abia there?

Ignore him, he doesn't understand.

nnamdijonathan:
this your statement is like that of a dictator. Imagine Nigerian government asking Ndigbo to relocate to Israel since we want our own country and Nigeria can't be divided. Ikwerre people own their land in Rivers state and the indigenous people can decide to claim any ancestry they choose, it's not your business.

Sometimes I am tempted to follow the pazienza school of thought, but then, I know better. Historical accounts backed up with facts shows that igwuocha is alaigbo regardless of the mental siege many ikwerre are having today. I CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THE HISTORICAL FACTS AND REFUSE TO ALLOW EMOTIONS OVERRIDE ME.

FORGET THIS ISSUE. LETS MOVE FORWARD.

ghostfacekillar:
mr. Ikwerre is not igbo and they will neva be. They are bini people whom our mothers taught igbo language.. Please stop all this nonsense. Am sick and tired of this... There are lots of land in ebonyi.. Enugu anambra.. Imo etc... We should focus on this land and stop bringing up this ph matter... Ph belongs to okrika and Ikwerre bini descendants... They are not in any way related to igbo.. We igbo trader made them forget their language. Please stop this nonsense

I know how you feel my brother, but there some of us who won't remove or shift our ancient landmark as Igbo.

Forget this matter let's move into another issue.

pazienza:
Lol!

You are beginning to sound like Bede2u. What's the obsession with that 3rd world city called Ph all about?
It couldn't even make it into resilient city category, which Enugu did.
PH is an empty third world city, it's not like it's NY or London or anything. The City planning is piss poor. Everything happening through congested Aba road. With the sprawling Rumus with old bungalows and "public yards".
Worst still, the city is shared between Ikwerre and Ijaws and a future theatre of war, once coastal Ijaw groups gets their oil Rivers state and insist on going with their own part of Ph, leaving Ikwerre and the rest of upland Rivers with a landlocked state with no access to offshore derivation Money. Hmm.

You IPOB people better snap out of it already. There is nothing spectacular about Ph. We already have better planed cities in SE, and we can build world standard cities from the scratch, once we focus home (SE).

See eh, igwuocha is igboland. Stick to your approach in dealing with them, let me stick to mine. I know exactly where am hinging on. If ikwerre today as a group said they are not Igbo, then so be it.
However, it won't stop me from accepting those among them who sincerely identify with us as Igbo. I won't reject them. I know some of them.

ghostfacekillar:
What is wrong with our people... I think people who keep bringing ph into our discussion knws what they are doing.

My brother, having a black sheep in the family does not stop the sheep from being a part of the larger family.

PabloAfricanus:
Don't be pained kid, those numbers don't count in the bigger scheme of things.

Check it out, OBJ came back after 1979 to rule.
PMB came back after 1985 to rule.
What were your blodas doing?
Passing exams or what?

Well, you're contradicted by the fact that you and your blodas are rejoicing over the mere handing of a party ticket to Atiku, a man from those "less educated" peoples and not just that, but are praying and hoping he doesn't dump you guys and pick a VP from say the SS or SW. Your blodas are even threatening to boycott if he picks a on SE VP?
But seriously, why should he? What does he stand to gain in concrete terms? If you were Atiku would you?

If your blodas comments here are any indicator of your feelings, you'd probably not be able to do anything about it, other than to resign yourself to your fate.
If Atiku fails to win the 2019 elections, you'd still be dancing to whichever tune catches the fancy of "less educated" men from those "low education index" states.

Now how about that?

So how does our "misfortune" affect you? Are you here because igbos want to vote atiku? Is that your headache?

Despite your obj, buhari, bla bla bla, how has yorubaland fared educationally? SE still rocks educationally, and it aches you badly. Take heart.

horsepower101:
Since when has Ikwerre care about your research. Even if you publish thorough peer to peer research work, it won’t change anything for them. Abeg talk something else. Let’s move on to something else.

Like I said, they are sick. The ones well among them should be embraced. Others..... Kick them out of your agenda. Igwuocha bu alaigbo....50 years of post war propaganda cannot change the boundary of alaigbo. Let them go to Edo state if they are Edo. There is always a black sheep in every family. Ikwerre is a black sheep.

pazienza:
Ikwerre is not a sub group of any Igbo.
Ikwerre is an independent ethnic nationality. Who trace their history from Bini.

They are simply a group of confused Bini people, who jettisoned their Bini language for Igbolanguage, which they distorted to create the stuff they call Ikwerre language today.

This is the official story of Ikwerre as recognized by Ogbako Ikwerre, and prominent Ikwerre people like Late Elechi Amadi.

Don't get it twisted.

Post civil war narratives are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Research and scientific submissions categorize them as Igbo whether you agree or disagree.

You will never see such postwar narratives accepted by more informed anthropologists anywhere in the world. Why? Because they engage in Igbo culture and tradition. They should leave our igwuocha (pH) and go back to Bini if they are truly Bini.

PabloAfricanus:
Igbos unfortunately are not more competitive than the Hausa Fulanis, despite what you might believe.
Or the Yorubas, as these 2 groups understand the bigger dynamics and realities of state craft way better than Igbos.
They simply don't waste time with crumbs, but go for the table itself.
Power is the game and controlling the benefits of power is the field of play. Sadly Igbos don't have a clue.

Your problem is organized leadership.
Other ethnic groups see you as amorphous and lawless since there is no visible leadership structure.
They simply do not have a handle to relate with Igbos effectively, hence your individualism sticks out like a sore thumb and the sins of one is generalized over the many.
Now compare that to dealing with Hausas who dominate the cattle and, forex trade. There is always a visible hierarchy indigenes of any land they're operating in can rely on to curb their excesses.
Of course Igbos have unions and all that, but have you considered the fact that Igbos still have not been able to present political leadership interfaces that other ethnic groups can identify or relate with?

Think about it.

Check the indices on education posted by pazienza and see how "competitive" your people are.

Where does the critical percentage of out-of-school children start from? 10%? 20%? 30%? Pls intepret this statistic.

PabloAfricanus:
Sooo why were those minorities not sympathetic to the Igbo cause after the war?
Going by your "facts" above, they should have remembered what benefits they gained from the Igbos and helped them recover right?

Let me give you a tidbit of history.
Do you have any idea the amount of carnage the Fulanis wrought in Hausa land?
Did you know Adamawa state of today was made up of lands forcefully taken from natives by mere contingent of Fulani invaders? Did you know Adamawa was even cut into two with one half going to Cameron and another going to Nigeria?
Did you know none of the Emirates across the length and breadth of the north has ever been ruled by the actual natives of those lands but only Fulanis?
Why have these natives never risen up in revolt against the very harsh and firm rule of the Fulanis?
Why are they still loyal to the Caliphate despite being ruled by an invader minority?

I will give you 5 reasons,
ability to apply the right amount of diplomacy,
ability to appeal to religious and cultural emotions ability to acquire and wield military force,
ability to play state politics,
political and economic benefits


Sadly these concepts are alien to silly id.iats like you.
You're making yourself out to be exactly what other ethnic groups think you are, a greedy landgrabber.

What exactly are you offering to them for allowing you carve them up as you wish?
What do they stand to gain by going with you and your wonderful plans?
Why did Balewa work for his Fulani lords despite the status of his people as slaves to the Bauchi emirate?
The Fulanis had something to offer, on a large scale.

You idi.ats on the other hand just about have nothing to offer yourselves, talk less of having remainders to offer a people who would suspect a gift from you without any ulterior motives.

Now what response do you expect when your motive is clearly sinister and devious?
Was this what Nnamdi Kanu had cooking?

So we should take a cue from the "diplomatic" losers who have been beaten to submission by the fulanis right?

Sorry, thats not diplomacy, that's accepting defeat.

Igboland regardless of political differences, can and will NEVER be successfully balkanized.

If its about ikwerreland, the matter has long been addressed. ACCEPT THOSE WHO ACCEPT YOU, REJECT THOSE WHO REJECT YOU.

The individualistic nature of the Igbo coupled with our decentralized political system was the fuel manipulated by agents of division to poison Igbo border communities like ika and ikwerre. Let them be. But we only chose to accept those among them that accepts us. We are not more Igbo than them. If you understand Igbo philosophy you won't challenge this, but obviously you don't.

I however, don't believe in HATING as some monikers here may do. If you are against hating on others, then i am with you 100%, as in 100%

If Onitsha should decide that they are no longer Igbo tommorow, will other anambrarians stop seeing Onitsha as igboland? After all, Onitsha people call other Igbo "ONYE IGBO". So I agree with you if you reject hating on other igbo territories suffering from identity crisis.

PabloAfricanus:
You sound smart.
If you love these i.diats you call your people, be advises to call them to order to avoid a repeat of 1966.
If this mindset is what Nnamdi Kanu's crew have, then you better hurry and pass the memo on to them.
For the sake of the many innocent souls who will be affected by such juvenile incitements.
This was the exact same calm mien that Okpanam officer exhibited when he issued exit tickets to leaders of other regions and even had the guts to defend his foolishness.
Your time starts now, hurry and tell those IPOB irritants.

You seem to be having fun here aren't you? Hmmmmm.....

onuebonyi:
Shut up, do what i asked you to do.

Sicko

BankeSmalls:
And SS states are not there? You said only SE should discuss it?

Don't mind the expired fish. He wants to badmouth abians and glorify his state. Anu na-gbaala uka.

onuebonyi:
Give us updates on development in the state and stop arguing endlessly here. You have been on this thread in the past one week without blinking only arguing meaninglessly.

Then leave me and my abia state alone, na by force? Must I listen to you? Go and look for another state to rub shoulders with.

nnamdijonathan:
Save who? It is people like you that carry Ikwerre matter for head like gala that needs saving.

She didnt ask you for any "saving" did she?

hammer6F:
Take ur dusty ass off this thread with that bootleg.

Correct jaare..... Kick out the narcissist.

BankeSmalls:
Wait. Why should it be SE discussing this problem and not the entire 17 states mentioned?

Make una come see mischief o

Don't mind the chichidodo..... We know his agenda. He feeds on attention.

He should go and form his "anambra only" thread.

onuebonyi:
Dumb clown lol

I am not talking about other states. I asked you to give us news about your useless ABIA STATE..

All have been arguing all day like a mad man. I am very sure you are jobless.

Since my abia is "useless", why are you interested in a useless state?

Drowning boy.

onuebonyi:
Clown all you do is argue like a mad man. Start showing us what is happening in ABIA STATE.

Go and create your "anambra only" thread and stop your notice-me attitude.

More so, go and form your "omambala republic" since other states "suck"

Ozu nwuranwu.

onuebonyi:
You are just nauseating. All you do here everyday is argue hopelessly as if you were paid to do so. Please update us with new projects in ABIA STATE

Do I know you? Or don't you know how to Google up gory pictures and stories against anything non-anambarian?

Why not create your "ANAMBRA only" thread?

Nonsense.

Xander85:
You always yarn cra.p!

If this thread stresses you out so much, as is apparent from your constant snapping at contributors to this thread, then simply stop clicking on it!

She hasn't stopped them from contributing eitherway. So I don't see the need for your "painment" here. Dem block you? Contribute if you (or your other monikers) want to. So now you know how it feels snapping at others?

BankeSmalls:
As usual, this one comes to clash states among each other to try provoke some people, no bi your mates dey build hospitals? What have you ever started?

Mehn......that was classic....lol

pazienza:
You don't.

There is no smartness in one using what is one's.
How can an Abian be smart for using Abia slot. Are you listening to yourself?

Is it my English that is your problem or what? Sorry o.

Is umuahia not my hometown?

A lot of women shy away from such, but she didn't. By that she is FAVOURED BOTH BY SE AND SS..... Kapish?

pazienza:
She is Abian now. Her husband and Children are Abians.
She has legitimate claim to Abia, going by Igbo tradition.

I know. That's why I acknowledge her smartness in using the slot maximally.

basilo101:
She took Abia slot in all her former appointments because that is where her husband is from

She is taking abia slot. This woman is smart eh....

nnamdijonathan:
don't use my insult against me ooo.
What is in Enugu? mtcheeeew
I have seen decent schools ( non private ) majorly in Anambra and IMO and I'm also impressed with the 5 operational new general hostipals built by the Okorocha lead administration in IMO added to the old existing general hospitals and new emergency centres in Owerri and also the missionary hospitals and schools in Anambra. Ebonyi and Abia are sleeping.

Since you have already "figured it out", why still asking?

Mtcheeew

basilo101:
See this mofo. Do you know Enugu at all?

Maybe he wants to start dick measuring again.

He is free to do so. If he misbehaves, he eats dirt.

Constructive criticism are welcome though.

basilo101:
You sound like afonja

I thought so too

pazienza:
IPOB would relegate to the background and even kill all Igbo interests, in furtile effort to woo Igbophobic groups down South into their heterogeneous Biafra.

IPOB by this stance are constituting themselves, enemies of the Igbo nation.

They better take a U turn before it's too late.

Lol..... O ge me gi "voooom" nanya

Chiwude:
Emancipate yourself and wipe off Ipob mentality from your head. Nnamdi Kanu was taking us nowhere. Bearing Igbo names doesn't makes one Igbo, fight for Igbo agenda and bury off the old eastern agenda preached by Ipob. Fight for Anioma to be added to the SE, fight for Igbo political interest and stop the poke nosing into SS affairs. Those guys they do not look your face.The earlier you guys learn to do this the better for us.

The day they stop exhibiting igbo culture and tradition is the day they will stop being Igbo

pazienza:
I'm not the most intelligent one here. I'm just the Igbo man who is not inhibited by political party or selfish allegiance to non Igbo organizations.
I'm simply only loyal to welfare of Ndiigbo.

Most Igbos are intelligent people. We are known to be intelligent people. Problem is that most of us here have allowed allegiance to friends from other parts of Nigeria, Political parties, politicians, and even selfish interests, make us to refuse to put Igbo interests first and foremost, Igbo interests have been relegated to secondary considerations by Ndiigbo whose allegiance lie outside Igbo nation. That's the problem we have in Igboland today.

Most of the points I raise here are things I hear Igbo commoners in the streets of Aba, Enugu, Onitsha, Awka, Abakaliki, Umuahia, Owerri say.

I'm just opportuned to be here to say them. We all know the truth.

Btw, I want no reward from anyone, what I want is reward to all Igbo persons, whose altruistic and patriotic opinions I echo. And this reward can only be secured by protecting Igbo interests from opportunist Nigerian groups and vigorously advancing such interests.

Dalu.

Na so. Lol....