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will this not be better if you say how asiatic treats women?

I am a muslim. I have women in my family. some of them much much older than me.

others, a lot younger.

my father [ra] never treated his daughters horribly, even the ones who was pregnant in school. and that was in the 1960s of Nigeria when as they say 'the eyes were darker than today'.

and my father was very Islamic as they come. I am grateful to Allah for his life, because Islam came easy to me.

If the whole of the muslim world collectively adopt a terrible act, it will not make Islam bad. it will only make the muslims bad muslims because they are deviants from pure Islam.

Unlike other paths, the path of Islam is already formulated and structured on Muhammad [as].

No one can add to or subtract from it. this is similar to what Jesus said about the Laws and the Prophets. but your evil heart ignored Jesus and followed Paul to add to and subtract from The Laws and The Prophets.

I bet you will not be satisfied until you seduce the muslims with your flutes. Satan do play flutes, if you know what i mean.

^^^^^^^^^ if that was stammering, what is double writing in a single post [example of double writing by image123; necta stammers again and again. necta stammers again and again]?

tell me what that is? it has to be worse than stammering because that is total confusion.

how about invention of man by God?

Only One Inventor. His invention is a product that he can manufacture as bakers manufacture cookies with standardized ingredients and cookie cutter or mold.

many can't invent one.

One always invent many.

God is One.

Men are many.

The anti God people have no brain. No one has seen their brain. I am arguing about their brain as they are arguing about God. They have not seen God, so it is difficult for them to accept His existence. I have not seen their brain. They are visible here on earth which makes it much much a good argument that for anyone to believe that they have a brain, they must show us their brain. if we who believe in the existence of Invincible God do not see the brain of these people, it shows that they carry no brain where brain is present in other people.

^^^^^^^^^ abeg woman go sleep. true to advise, the woman is already offline one time.

wished she could take my advise many more issues.

you already bought into the hype. penetration is not enough, you people coined 'thighing'.

christians and jews and others as enemies of islam can't help themselves as enemies of God.

if marrying underage is Islamic, i wonder why people like me are married to matured 30something youth?

^^^^^^^^ a true christian is displaying the turn the other cheek spirit. You are so gentle rezzy. Keep it up.

white has made some africans wowo abeg.
there is nothing monstrous about spagetti/noddle.

if there were spagetti monsters/noddles the chinese would never have been so crazy about it so much so that italians can't get enough of it.

@rezzy; what has your heard told you about Jesus, Holy Ghost and Jehovah as God respectively; 3 individual Gods or 1 God still?

I hope your ability to do simple addition is adequate.

@Frosbel; Those who read the biography of Jesus still after that rated Muhammad [as] as number 1. I wonder what they didn't read in the Biography of Jesus; maybe the lost years from age 13 after bamitva to age 30 when he began his ministry? No one among to who rated Muhammad as number 1 was a muslim.

And Muhammad who taught me to curse Satan in every bad condition and at the beginning of every reading of Quran, when i am establishing Salah, etc can't be the tool of Satan. No tool curses his master or instructs his listeners to do the same. Do you curse Paul, or Jesus, or Holy Ghost, or Jehovah, because certainly you must consider yourself a tool of one of them, at least?

I think I asked you the other day to tell me if Abu Bakr [ra] who entered Islam early in the year that Muhammad [as] revived it Makka had any children upon entering Islam? It is a known knowledge that Abu Bakr divorced the mother of Aisha immediately because she refused to enter Islam along with him and the whole family, except the son who remained a pagan like her. Are you now saying that Abu Bakr, after divorcing the mother of Aisha went to her and got her pregnant out of wedlock?

what purpose will divorcing her serve then? If he didn't go to her and get her pregnant as is ex-wife, then there is no way Aisha would be 6 or 9 at anytime she became the wife of the messenger [as], a woman who must have reached marrying age because she must be able to participate in the formulate the marriage contract.

Islam spent 13 years in Makka. At least Aisha will have to be 13 years old in Makka. But what is amazing is that in the early years after her parents were already divorced because of islam, she remained with her father, not her mother. This is an indication that she needed no nursing of the mother by the time her father became muslim and her mother refused islam and Abu Bakr decided it was better not to associate with an idolator.

Aisha [ra] was so independent at the time that her father was intending to emigrate to Ethiopia that he felt that she could now move in with the family that she was already engaged to to take her from his hand, instead of letting her go with him or her mother becoming her custodian. these two are proofs that she was at least 4 years old in the year Islam entered Makka.

I hope frosbel can count. 2 years in Madina after the years of Makka before her marriage to the Messenger was consummated.

Well; 4 years before Islam revival in Makka. 13 years of Islam in Makka. 2 years of Islam in Madina. If you add these 3 periods of time together, will you get 6 or 9 or will you not get something more than 15?

Anyway, don't derail the thread.

@Seyibrown: Apply the same motif to those who say they are muslims and do evil, even as they struggle to find 'justification' in the Quran [which they do not find in the Quran; suicide and killing of innocent is forbidden for a starter].

enough garbage or garbage enough.

is a man without a body a living man? if your answer is yes, then know that the whole empty space around you is filled with men.

is a body without a soul a living man? if your answer is yes, go to mortuaries, all the persons in body bag will be living men.

which one must be out of the body of a man to consider him dead; soul or spirit? this is your problem. so answer it.

which one God breathed to Adam for him to be alive; Soul or Spirit? this is another problem for you since whatever God breathed into Adam was enough to make him a living man. There was just one thing and not two thing breathed into Adam. One thing.

A man is also human. One thing, two names. Soul is Spirit. One thing, two names.

@islamrule; « on: Yesterday at 01:51:33 PM »
[Quote]Quran/Muslims are always claiming the bible is fake, it is this it is that. But, history had it that mohammad studied the books of the prophets (which are now compiled to form the bible).[/Quote]I hope the 'history' remembers that he was an illiterate. he [as] could not even sign his own name or identify it if he was looking at it.


[Quote]And, God says in the bible that he wont change his words, that he values his word more than anything.[/QUote]He didn't say man can't change it. or He will not allow man to change it [man changing it is a form of corruption]. there are many ways of corrupting a book. The Bibles are form of a book. and we shall see a verse that says the Bibles are corrupt books.


[Quote]According to the word of God: Jesus is the truth, the way and life, nobody goes to the father except thru him" Why are muslims cliaming this to be wrong ?[/Quote]Is Jesus son of God? Impossible because his mother would have to be the wife of God. Is Mary the wife of God?


[Quote]Can God be wrong ?[/Quote]but man can be wrong and it is man that wrote the bibles. there is no 2 bibles that are exactly alike, each is changing from the former even when it is printed by the same company, a mere generation later. this can't qualify for word of God when it is never constant.


[Quote]Jesus is not even a prophet, he was their when God was creating man (See scripture where he made another eyes for one blind guy and claimed he was their when this guy was being made). Why are they calling him a prophet ? He is a supreme being not a man.[/Quote]Imagine how many people were made when Jesus was here on earth. Was Jesus really there when men and women of that time were being made? How about when the christians said he died and was fighting death in the pit of hell? were men and women being made in hell too or Jesus took a time out from his duel with death to stand around so see men and women being made? What was Jesus doing but standing around? Was he supervising the Maker, and what was he doing when the Maker was making him?


[Quote]Stop your madness, Jesus is not mohamaad.[/Quote]There is no madness here, only reality.


[Quote]Thank you[/Quote]No. Thank you for presenting this opportunity. More from you please. Just like this. Perchance, your heart might be brought alive to true guidance. The spelling is Muhammad [as].

^^^^^^^^^^^ i am not paying attention to you. I am responding to the op. when the northern muslim man or woman does something, why not tag him with his tribe if you must [which i think is wrong]? why tag him with Islam as if he is carrying out a religious order? no one can order apart from what is on the Pages of the Quran as a whole and the ahadith/sunnah which explains the Quran because Muhammad [as] was described by his spouse as a walking, talking, breathing Quran. he did not do anything except it is anchored to the Quran.

@Joeagbaje and all the christians; Like the greater God; Jehovah.

and the lesser God; Jesus and or Holy Ghost.

@op and frosbel; A person can give fatwa all day long. That does not mean he will be followed or be accepted from him. A true fatwa has to be anchored in Quran and Sunnah, otherwise it is bad science as they say. This is unacceptable.

To claim that there is no age of marriage of female to male is saying that there is no age of marriage of male to female also. After all marriage is between the two genders and the male is the one paying the dowry, always. In all the verses of the Quran and the examples in the Sunnah/Hadith that deal with marriage, I do not see a single one that says marriage should be forced on any party. Hence, the one getting married had to understand what marriage is and willing to enter it because there is a contract to abide with that protects the rights of the male and the female.

What the arabs do, is what the arabs do. This will not be acceptable to Islam, even if all the arabs and Muslims were to do it; all of them will be termed deviants. Period. Islam stands alone and complete and no one can change it.

Below is a verse that provides evidence that age is required for marriage; Surah 4 [Nisaa]

4:3 And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].


4:4 And give the women [upon marriage] their [bridal] gifts graciously. But if they give up willingly to you anything of it, then take it in satisfaction and ease.


4:5 And do not give the weak-minded your property, which Allah has made a means of sustenance for you, but provide for them with it and clothe them and speak to them words of appropriate kindness.


4:6 And test the orphans [in their abilities] until[b] they reach marriageable age[/b]. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant.

@edonbeta-o; you are not telling the truth by your topic. and the content is even worse.

Jesus can't be the mediator. Mankind is more than the children of Israel and he Jesus was only sent to them.

Moses even had a bigger role; sent to Pharaoh and his court and [also] children of Israel to liberate them just as much as Jesus was to liberate them in different and less generic manner.

Jesus didn't lay down anything, definitely not is life.

An one who lays down a thing does not beg or find a way not to lay it down. It has to be completely voluntary. When it is wrestled from or forced to give it, it is not voluntary and it is not laying down.

Before I say he was not killed, we read it from your Bibles that the hanging Jesus was saying "my God, my God, . . . why has Thou forsaken me?" thats a complaint. Believers do not complain. Ordinary Muslims today accept their conditions as long as it is not human being that is forcing them as in oppression. From God, it is chalked up to destiny.

Now you have made Jesus a liar by saying he died, if what he said about the test of prophet-hood is true; Any prophet who says a thing that does not come to past is not a prophet of God, but a false prophet;

Jesus begged God to save him. If he was a prophet of God, God would not have allowed him to beg so loudly that people heard him begging and then refused him.

Further he could not have said that he would spend 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth [dead or alive in this case is besides the point because he didn't say in what shape he would be in the belly of the earth]. and then dragged off from the tree into the cave at about sundown friday and by sunday at dawn, he was out of there. Please calculate the 3 days and 3 nights for me. if neither of these make any prophetic sense to you, you have lied on Jesus and you have made him a disbeliever, unless you are the one disbelieving? both you and the bible writers as a group and Jesus as a single group of his own can't be both correct especially when you are at different position on the same issue. At best one s righ. which group is that? I say Jesus. What do you say?

@Toba; Posted on: Today at 12:50:37 AM Posted by: toba
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Wetin concern jesus for this matter? Jesus is/was the lord giving this commandments to men to obey so that they can get to heaven. God cant be a 'subject' to his own law. Ok? Btw if u failed to keep to the law of your father, would he like u?Wetin concern jesus for this matter? Jesus is/was the lord giving this commandments to men to obey so that they can get to heaven. God cant be a 'subject' to his own law. Ok? Btw if u failed to keep to the law of your father, would he like u?[/Quote]Is there a disease called double-post-iasis that is afflicting the christians these days? You can't post the same sentence twice in a single post, unless 'sum-tin-rung' somewhere?

Anyway, toba, you need to get Jesus out of this condition you put him; If I only post about the cry of Jesus on the hanging tree 'my God, my God, . . . ' it will sufficient to show that Jesus can't be God or son of God, because as God, God Will not say my God, but My Self, and definitely, God Will not forsake Himself because He is God. As a son of God, Jesus would have cried if he need to, not as my God buy my Father. No son hides his relationship with his father unless he is truly a bastard or ignorant that he is a son, too young to know who is the father among all the men around mother. Was God around Mary at all?

But there are many proofs to support your statement that God Will not subject Himself to His Own laws, that He has subjected man to; Let me bring just two more so that you and Joeagbaje and others may stumble even terribly as you are struggling to amend your lies;

Jesus was heard praying and crying out with his face on the dirt [ground] just as muslims put their faces in dirt [ground] and many do cry in that position, too. God can be crying or praying or face in dirt [ground] asking anything from Himself. He just would command it out, and leave face in the dirt [ground], crying and begging for man in humility to Him because He is the One Who can Sustain them and grant their request.

We see in the Bible that Jesus said that all prayers should be made to God. He mad many prayers to God. God can't be making prayers to Himself. That is absurd. God is not subjected to His Own Law[s] on Man. Man; ordinary man or Messenger and Prophet of God are subject to the Laws of God. The Messengers and the Prophets are at the forefront because it is they who the ordinary man looks for proper and correct way to carry out each of the Laws of God on him by Command through the Messenger. This is just supporting the above. The second scenario is below;

Jesus was reported in the Bibles since there are so many of them that he did not coming to abolish the Laws and the prophets, but to fulfill them. Whosoever among future generation after he has been lifted up that will abolish or encourages to abolish even the smallest jot of the laws and the past Prophets such a person will be the least in the Kingdom of heaven. I am taking it that Jesus was saying that while he was on earth he will safeguard the laws and the prophets and if he hears that a person is violating any part, he will at least tell him to his face that he is wrong. That telling it to his face is a form of struggle against evil, which is what Jihad is. Lets leave that alone and go to our issue;

based on what Jesus said about carrying out or living out the laws and the prophets, he is subjecting himself to these two. And if he was God, there is no way he would have subjected himself to them because God will not subject Himself to Laws and Prophets that He made. That will be absurd, unreasonable. a head scratcher of a thing of big time confusion. And God is not the Author of confusion.

It is absolutely impossible for God Who sent Moses to now obey/fulfill/live out the laws of Moses. Jesus making the above statement is enough to show that he is no God, but a prophet like every prophet. Incidentally he said a prophet has no honor in his community and we know that he was honored by his community. they actually killed him as they killed John son of Zacharias. Moses didn't start with honor but ended up with honor. So was Muhammad [as to each of them; those honored at the end; Moses, Muhammad, those not honored at the end; John, Jesus for example [do you notice the J and J versus the M and M?]]. Further, Jesus will be going against his own statement as a prophet if he now turned the 10 Commandments to mere "love your God with your whole heart, and love your neighbors as you love yourself'. Where then is the 1st Commandment that God is the Only One deserved all worship? Is this the reason you now worship God, then Ghost and [then] Jesus? You are no more worshiping One God, and you have gone astray to worship 3 Gods, with or without s, 3 is more than 1 by 2. This is a known fact.

Where is the 2nd commandment that no graven image therefore? Is this the reason that you are now an idolator by hanging across your neck as a burden a cross with almost completely naked man head down on it? This is idolatry of the highest order. Imagine if as you have believed, they used dagger or sword or arrow, etc to do him in? Would you have had that instrument draped on your neck, too? This is first class disbelief, Toba.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and you came out from a womb based on the emitted fluid from a man.

you arrogantly penned a signature that proves the opposite of your existence. How fortunate are the people who made your existence possible. No wonder you wrote the above; empty arrogance.

i am his dear today.

@Toba; Didn't Jesus fail in the value of that Verse? He hated some people. No? The people he called an evil generation. Is that Love to be call evil?

Just because something is foreign culture does not mean you throw away the good in it and retain the bad in your own culture. You are hausa; you use computer. you write english. which of the two is a hausa culture? Where is the evil in your adopting both? have you benefited? This is the same with Islamic culture, not arabic culture and me.

come to think of it, i have right to arab culture if OBJ and all the yorubas are correct about their root in Makka.


As to the statue of Obama; if you worship it, and it is taller than that of your other statue you worship, on the physicality alone it is bigger and the other is smaller.
neither can truly hurt or benefit anyone. it is the worshipers that act for them. If you put an ogun statue in front of your house, a dog will urinate on it. the statue will do nothing. it is the ogun worshiper that will severe the dog in his ritual.

you are disappointing me because you are not pondering at all.

@Frosbel; Where is the Bible mentioned, Frosbel in the Quran?

I hope you are smart enough to know that Torah of Moses is not the Bible. Psalm of David is not the Bible. Injil of Jesus is not the Bible.

The Bible is not given to any Messenger of God. If you know the name of that Messenger, please tell us right here.

And there is no where in the Quran that God says that what the Jews call Torah today is not a corrupt document. The fact that God says He gave Torah to Moses is a fact, because He gave it to him. Then Moses died and corruption entered it and they formulated Talmuth with it. Heck didn't Jeremiah say that the scribed corrupted Torah and Sabur, since he came after David?

I already explained Sabur by the above, too.

As to Injil of Jesus; Is the NT not Injil? If it is not then that is an evident that NT is corrupt. We see Acts, The epistles and other in NT. Did God give Acts, Epistles, etc to Jesus?

Now here is the granddaddy of an answer for you; If God gave Injil to Jesus, shall we have 'and Jesus went . . . ."? Should it not be an instruction to guide his community by? Injil in its purity would not not have contained stories about Jesus; stories about earlier prophets, yes and instructions to guide people to the true path. Not story of his calling Peter a satan. None of those. This shows you that what you have of Injil today is corrupted.

and he will consume enough food. at old age he will die, like everyone else. then there will be still more food on earth. what a food consumer. he didnt consume it all at the end.

apply that to the tradition. if it is a bad tradition, that part is to be thrown away.

@Frosbel; « #16 on: Today at 04:33:47 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 07:45:33 PM
^ you didn't see the many different churches in the same building?

i am in the op's mind but i sense her christianity, wondering however, from these many which one is true?

if she needs the absolute truth, she better join the Islamic in crowd and ignore the negative hypes.

Joining Islam is like committing suicide.

It is like walking from light into darkness.

A religion of works and rituals can save no one , it is not of GOD.[/Quote]suicide are of two types; a person killing himself and the other is a person who allowed himself to be killed when he can prevent it. Jesus committed suicide by the second method, according to the Bibles. the jihadist Jesus is truly a muslim. now swallow that hard, mr. fung [sorry me. frosbel].

^^^ Subhannallah. congoshine is here.

@9japagan; « #51 on: July 25, 2011, 07:17 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on July 24, 2011, 10:58 AM
@9japagan;your paganic ignorance is always at all times peak. are you saying that the semitic people are not racist to one another or each other? then how do you explain the jews against palestinians and or arabs in the generic sense of it? you need to be ignored because you seem to be rabid with blindness of thoughts.

the Jews against palestinians and arabs is more of a political and religious war. let us not confuse between the two. in this case their is no rascism. just jealousy, relion and politics.[/Quote]what religion and politics, etc except racism that were playing when they called the first son and first born who had to be an 'only child' of a true man of God [Abraham] that he will be a wild ass except that his mother was an african, and or that it is based on some kinda supremacy ideologue? i think it is the same objective that they played on Esau the older brother of Jacob. the evil mother took side because of the skin condition.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on July 24, 2011, 10:58 AM
you think this is islam?

why yes of course![/Quote]he said why and then yes of course. is yes of course the explanation of the why? so i think your gods are small and big in range and your thinking is like that of a 3 millennial back. while what you think is wrong. what i think of you is on the mark.

[Quote]Jesus Christ was not created. He was God expressing himself physically.

The blood shed was Royal blood to wipe out the sins of mankind.

Muslims have no such assurance of salvation, they must kill for their creator.

ALLAH is LAZY, Period!![/Quote]No eyes have seen God. How does that make sense when you said your God is Jesus? Who is correct; No Eyes have seen God or you who says Jesus is God? With all the royal blood every christian can't say s/he will enter Paradise. what therefore is the assurance and what good is a watered down royal blood? The Quran mentions Paradise of many kinds and levels; all for Muslims from Adam [as] onward to the last man that will enter Islam at the end of time




[Quote]He did not kill himself, he was killed.

[b]And he did not leave his friends alone, they saw him after his resurrection for a few weeks and he sent to them the Holy Spirit to teach and comfort his church[/b].

Please read the bible, stop quoting from your imams.[/Quote]I read the Bibles, already. And your case is worse than I thought. A powerhouse that is killed is not really a powerhouse. Yahweh killed Pharaoh. Now that Yahweh was God. David killed Goliath. Now David was boss. Jesus was killed and he was what again, now? Elementary my dear Watson. I think elementary is over your head.




[Quote]Oh the arrogance of ISLAM. Since when did men decide how GOD will save his creation ? Jesus died because he loved us and did and still does not want anyone to perish.

Unlike ALLAH who wants non-Muslims to be wiped out.[/Quote]Yahweh killed Pharaoh and his army to save a portion of mankind. If he wants to save mankind Yahweh will kill the oppressors of mankind; greed, satan, etc, not kill just one man an innocent man at that who resisted and not through the hands of his oppressors. He would not kill Himself either. Yahweh could easily give easier laws to follow to make it much easier for everyone to be saved by just Him saying I save you; Quran in Islam of Muhammad does that. This is why Muhammad [as] invited kings, emperors, rulers of his time to Islam by saying in writing "This is Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah. Enter Islam and be benefited [be saved by Allah from the disaster of the day of Judgment]. And if you refuse, at least know that we are muslims, bowing our wills to Allah.' A beauty and an easy way to salvation, unlike killing of innocent man who begged before and complained to the bitter end.




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first, the verse you quoted much much earlier could not have came from Jesus, because he could not be speaking about what will happen in the future in a textural language as if it had already happened. read it again. and to make Jesus become God as above is dishonest because no eyes have ever seen God. Ever. Jesus included. he came to being as i did; from mother's womb. he was lifted up by Allah's Power. and he has not been returned, so to even say he is God is against that verse, because all his friends and enemies in his time so him. he ran from some and later hid himself because he did not want them to get him again [and no one truly dies more than one time].

Another fairy tale[/Quote]Read your bible you may actually find a tooth fairy there. It is the bibles that Moses wrote about his own funeral as if he was watching it and no one saw that funeral. I agree. it is a fairy tale from your Bibles.




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Allah is the Creator of death on creations. how is death itself a creation have power its Creator? who oversees creation if Creator dies or does not exist? Mercy of His Power is His Mercy without anything being sacrifice to have that Mercy.

Jesus was God manifesting himself physically to mankind.

God the father was still in charge.[/Quote]Bann zoom right on the kisser. If I have a dollar collected from the christians who come up with this statement on a game of truth or dare, by now I would be owner of Chicago Bulls. I know michael left that franchise a long time now. How is God Who says no one can see Him will come down as baby jesus, then suckled on Mary until he is strong, run away from enemies, hid himself from enemies after rising from death as you and your bibles claim, being raised up by the God he was begging and crying to Who had promised to protect him, yet God through it all? this is wild, sir. It is unbelievable because "True God" is not the Author of confusion. If what you said, which is what I filled in the gap for you is not Confusion, then what is CONFUSION?




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the last i checked, the bibles [many versions, many revisions, many, many and no 2 versions are alike] say that Jesus begged that he be not be allowed to have the cup on his head. then he added 'not as by my will, but as per Your will.' unless he was talking to himself, he must be talking to the Holder of Authority. this by your books is Yahweh/Jehovah. by my Book, He is Allah. your bibles said he was told that he will be supported by the 'heavenly support/being' that God will send. this heavenly being is Angel Gabriel from the islam viewpoint. how did the support from Yahweh/Jehovah manifested itself if you said Jesus was hung? what would have happened except hanging if Yahweh or Jehovah didn't send any support? Are you saying that the support from Yahweh/Jehovah is weak that Jesus lost his life anyhow, or Jehoah/Yahweh lied to him with promise of support that he did not send or made ineffective? you are on your own in your mess. clean it up.

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Allah promised to protect Jesus, from his enemies so that they do not humiliate him, a Messenger and prophet that He sent. so He protected him. you say Yahweh failed His son; what a father, what a powerhouse. if he was His prophet, He should not allow him to be so humiliated, and as Paul puts it his soul is cursed. Allah on the other hand protect and preserved the life of His Messenger. That is Power, Might, Love. The Loving is more than Love.

Lol, Grin Grin Grin

What gibberish.[quote][/Quote]You dont know that The One Who Loves you is more than the Love he shows you? You have a lot to learn




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Yahweh loved Pharaoh and Moses equally. Oh. Yahweh/Jehovah loved Goliath and David equally. continue to bury yourself in ignorance since you dont see that only those Jehovah loved will end up in [lake of fire; you wanna go there or why is it created except for those hated?].


God's punishment is for sinners, those who die in their sins.

It is for the murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, robbers, proud , gossips, sexually perverse, rebellious etc.

Obviously in Islam all the people mentioned above are saved and go to paradise if they die in jihad or go to Mecca and give alms.[/Quote]First the man said God of the Bibles loved all without any discrimination, until i forced him to pen the bold. Make up your mind and dont be a religious prostitute going for the highest bidder. if you do, I will toy with your emotion as much as you engage me. I already warned you to be steadfast. Allah will deliver you to the power of my writing. In Islam the last act is is the greatest act. a man who was a disbeliever and changed his ways and believed, will enter Paradise by the Mercy of Allah if he dies on that belief.All his past sins have been forgiven and transferred as good deeds. A man who has always believed and turn to disbelief and dies on it. what do you think? First the disbelievers will be responsible for his burial. thats a sign right there.




[Quote]Stop deceiving yourself.[/Quote]I did not say God is 3 while 1, remember this is your concept? so who is deceiving himself?




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Honest God is greater than deceiving God who is not truly a God by deceiving those who He says He loves.

But one of ALLAH's names is the great deceiver as confirmed by the Quran.

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30[/Quote]MashaAllah. I baited him and he bit. Who started the deceiveing in that verse? The Jews? What are the Jews to believers? Enemies? Allah deceived or planned against the enemies of believers, when the enemies started deceiving and planning against the believers. This is the Honest God. Unlike Yahweh who you say loved everyone and then secured them as enemies in punishment, giving them false hope in empty and insincere love. thats not nice, thats pure deceit. Its better to let evil doers know that you will outfox them, because you know their plans even before they begin it and then implement it. you are ready to render it useless because they are evil doers and they must be made weak against doers of God. This is what Allah did. What Jehovah is doing is pure deceit.




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who is the wife of Yahweh/Jehovah unless the child is a bastard?

The Jews say the same thing , [b]they call Jesus a bastard, [/b]you are all on the same page here.

Judaism, Catholicism and Islam , the 3 man made false satanic religions.[/Quote]You called Jesus a bastard by making a father for him when he is not a son of any father. You called him even a son of Joseph who is not also his father. You made him a bastard twice. read your bibles. I am just filling the gap. Judaism holds the salvation that christians are trying to get because the Bibles say that Salvation is of the Jews. Catholicism is a sect of christianity, like Baptist is, or Methodist or Anglican, or Jehovah witness, or Seventh day adventist or greek orthodox, or eastern orthodox, or russian orthodox, and many others. The protestant is another sect, younger than most. You and the catholics use the same Bibles, except few books the protestants refused to copy. how different is your cult from the catholics? big satan and small satan are both satan.




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this dude is so timid that he couldn't say the biblical God died, so he said the 'bible God did that'! God knows your home address. wayo man. A God that dies is no God, even the 9japagan will agree there. you don't have God, man. you only have 3 gods.

We worship ONE GOD, YAHWEH.

You worship what you do not know.[/Quote]Tell me right here with straight face, you dont worship Jesus son of Mary? tell me sir that you dont worship The Holy Ghost? I will Jehovah alone. Yes I do or no I dont {worship] is what I want and no further explanation will be needed.




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Allah does not need to kill anyone like Jehovah killed Himself or His son or an innocent man [Jesus begged. we know he did not bargain for it and unwilling to die. he cried out if only in complaint at best, while the little boy of Abraham didn't complain. Jesus was a grown man, over 30 is grown while the son of Abraham is much younger than that]. Allah simply requires obedience from you and sincere repentance. even with all the killing by Jehovah who suddenly became 3, wasting 1 part, the christian still have to obey [obedience] and confesses [repentance], otherwise they will go to lake of fire [hell fire]. so one should ask, what is the real value of the death? only for confession [repentance]?

ALLAH is a figment of your imagination, he is a moon god.[/Quote]Show me. I have been on earth longer than you and I have not seen Allah. And the moon was broken by Muhammad [as] as a sign for the Quraishi by Allah. And Muhammad went to heaven and returned. He said he heard the Voice of Allah Who gave him the five daily prayers and the tashahhud as greetings in Salah, the last 4 verse of Chapter 2 of the Quran and honored him more than Angel Gabriel. That is not figment of my imagination, but reality of my existence. And I will die and InchaAllah on the day of Judgment I will be in Paradise and gaze on the Face of Allah as a honor that He bestows on me.




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here is love for you coming from the Loving;
Quran; 9 verses 4/7, 19 verse 96, 2 verse 195, 3 verse134/148, 5 verse 13/93, 4 verse 42, 49 verse 9, 60 verse 8, 61 verse 4, 2 verse 222,
9 verse 108, 3 verse 159.
love for the Loving; 2 verse 165/177, 3 verse 31, 5 verse 54, 21 verse 90, 76 verse 8

Sure LOVE that cannot show any sacrifice and LOVE that wants half of mankind wiped out. Sounds like Satan's invention of LOVE to me.[/Quote]To you good is strange. To you wholesome is detested. To you confusion is preferred. Thats not real except satan is the puppeteer. Love that says no one needs get hurt is the best expressed. Nor love that one has to be slaughtered like a cow.




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here is my conclusion and reality check for you; the One Who holds sway of everything does not subject Himself to what is not fitting to His Position. there is no way the father of the house is going to use the bathroom and ask that mom diaper him as the 6 month old baby. what befits an entity is what that entity does. God will not 'submit' Himself to death just like man who has to die, and thats the only way you said God must show His love. how about just giving an easy to reach goal, a task that every sane person can do; washing up and sincerely bowing yourself to Him; exactly what jesus did in the garden?

Your ALLAH is a distant , disinterested deity.

A deity who never for once revealed himself to mankind, after all what Muhammad experienced was an angel trying to strangle him, he never saw or heard from GOD direct.[/Quote]Moses heard the voice of Yahweh in the burning bush. That was enough for a believing Moses to go. Muhammad [as] went on to heaven and returned in a single nght in the company of Gabriel by invitation of God. He heard the Voice of God. He gave him salah. what revelation should God do? to rubbish Himself as jehovah did by dying as Jesus allegedly died? Ridiculous. Thats humiliation. Even you will not want to be humiliated. Why should the Creator be humiliated? If jesus had a choice, would he not have escaped to another land as he did before? You think he would volunteer to carry even the cross which he fell down under its weight and some poor fellow; Simon of siren had to be dragged to carry it for a falling God. Man, you open the faucet of analysis. Its hard to turn it off now.




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The God of Muslim as you termed Him is God of All in reality and Jesus said God is greater than all. This Great God is Allah Who does not tag you with a sin from your mother's womb, or for somebody's mistake you are punished with working hard and your wife goes through pain and Jesus was humiliated to death. guess what; you still have to work hard and your wife still goes through the pain. so what purpose has jesus served? ZERO.

The GOD of Muslims is the GOD OF ARABS.[/Quote]Just like Yahweh is for the Jews? Our Illah Allah Tabaraka Wa Taala is for everyone, from Adam to the last man in our human future. He is the Illah of all creatures, believers and disbelievers alike. He is not merely God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Thats your God with limited ability. Ours is God before creation and long after it. His God-ship is limitless and timeless.




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now, no man is recorded with any sin until the time he reaches intimate maturity. so maybe up to about the age of 14 to 16 you are okay, even if you make mistake. but Jehovah overladen you with sins of Adam and Eve. So where is justice here when you have done nothing wrong of your own yet? Starting from zero when you reach puberty is much much better than starting from negative when you got out of mother's womb. so when you are teething and you bite her when suckling, that is added sin.

Are you certain that if you die today you will make heaven, even in your sins, your lusts, lies, anger etc etc.

If you die in your sins, without Jesus you will surely perish.

ALLAH can never give you an assurance of salvation.[/Quote]Allah is Merciful. I am satisfied with His Mercy, Judgment. I need not to worship a man like me. I have Jesus as I have Moses, Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, etc and Muhammad [AS to each]




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I am grateful that Allah has made my heart lean towards Islam.

You have rejected Jesus Christ, because it is convenient for you to carry on with religions show while living and dead in your sins.[/Quote]Arrogance of disbelief. I am inviting you to paradise, you are inviting me to hell. How is it that 3 gods; Jehovah, Holy Ghost and Jesus become 1 God Yahweh? Is this not confusion? it is pure confusion in the little arithmetic that i know. If i owe you 3 Million Euro and pay you just 1 and I say as per your belief in God, I have paid you all the 3 in the 1 I pay, you will shout deceit. Yet you are not being deceived so much so that you are inviting to the deceit of 3 person[s] of 1 Person [God]. This is the worst bargain of all. I do not want it.

@Frosbel; « #3 on: Today at 10:02:27 AM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta

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Sone of the Names of Allah is "Al Wadud"; The Loving. The Loving is greater than Love itself. He is the One that has the Love that He actions. it is that action that you experience. Surely the possessor of love is more than the love he possesses. Your mother is more important than the motherhood she displays as her form of affection for you.

Love is an action , if you do not show it , you aint got it. If a husband possesses all the love in the world but the wife has never experienced it, what is the point ?

The disturbing thing with Islam, is that ALLAH never sacrifices anything for his followers,[/Quote]sacrifice something to whom? Himself like the egotistical Yahweh/Jehovah killing himself or his son as Jesus [thats what you say happened], who was not willing to die by the begging and the complains [God Almighty I hate complaining]. this is what you are happy about while you should be sad that your god is vulnerable and he is within the harms way of mere mortals? its very sad that you can't see that he is fake God.



[Quote]they do all the sacrificing.

They kill for him, die for him, give him their money , go on pilgrimage to worship his image and ALLAH makes sure his followers worldwide can only pray to him in Arabic.

What kind of LOVE is that ?[/Quote]The bold is the biggest lie. if you find his image and Allah, which you said on the pilgrimage, please show it or them to us. You must be thinking that we worship your less than all knowing, sometimes regretting and having image god? Allah is Absolute and there is nothing like Him. I see that you love lies; you lie on Yahweh as Jehovah. You lie on Jehovah as Jesus. You lie on Jesus as getting his mother pregnant. It is easier for you to lie on Allah. shame on you mr. fung [i cant say mr. frosbel].

the other part of your post shows love, reverence of believers to Him. Do you remember what Jesus said, about the Greatest command? You shall love your God with all your heart. While you guys are failing, Muslims are acting. Yahweh demands obedience to Him by the 10 Commandments. While you are refusing, Muslims are obeying. You see why you are a hypocrite? you only say what you will not do.



[Quote]Whereas Jesus laid down the most precious thing any man has, HIS LIFE.[/Quote]Animals at slaughter complain. they will die. but do they volunteer? do they lay down their lives? was it not force away from them by those who have the power to take it? this is what you are saying that happened to Jesus, either as Yahweh/Jehovah or son of Yahweh/Jehovah or Prophet of Yahweh/Jehovah. If he had not begged we would have let it go. If he had not complained on the tree we would have not mentioned it. but he begged and later complained, blaming Yahweh/Jehovah, himself [your choice]. did Yahweh/Jehovah himself deceived himself or you are the one deceived of the whole thing?

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ofcourse not all muslims are like that. considering your language, you seem to be educated. Undecided[/Quote]I am a yorubaman. Yorubas are africans. Look at the african family structure; the wife works the farm, takes added responsibility to raise the child, culture him, etc including nurturing him and performs other wifely duties. The husband is just there like the lion while the lioness hunts. it is Islam not anything else that retires a wife from such 9 to 5 jobs and gives her what is best; the care of her children under her love as the mother.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 03:59:49 AM
what did your gods command and which one of your gods is the biggest god, which one is the smallest and name the in between gods?

theres nothing like the smallest God or the biggest God. all the Gods are the aspects of the Supreme God. the Supreme God in my case is Sarki Alji , or the great spirit. he is similar to Zeus or Ra or Brahma or Ngai.[/Quote]a 2 feet tall and 5 pound weight handmade you worship in your house has to be smaller than the 7 feet tall and 35 pound weight handmade of the same material and figure that you pagans worship in your pagan center; temple. thats small god and big god for you. and all your gods are not the same; some you put on your dash board and another is immovable in the temple. this is similar to small cross and big giant cross or small Jesus and big giant Jesus [like the one in Rio de Jeneiro, Brazil].



[Quote]my Gods do not command. they only guide. it is upto us to command our lives, wheter in the right path or the wrong path.[/Quote]you have no God. you only have gods of your own imagination of your own hand. you and the christians are very similar in this concept.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 03:59:49 AM
Arab women before Islam under Muhammad [as] used to be properties, like camels were. they used to get gang banged or used for intimate SinParties similar to what used to happen in bath houses before hiv/aids curb such intimate wilding or what still happen in intimate parties, where it is free for all. is that a life, mr 9japagan?

Angry Angry that is what your sic.k biased quraan says. in pre-islamic times, in many tribes, the woman used to head the family. infact, it was your muhammad who used to Be Intimate with a 9-year old kid, by the name of Aisha whom he married and the marriage was consumated at this age. how sickening. Angry[/Quote]heading the family without morals, as a gender or as a society is useless. where there is no moral standard, they are worse than cattle[s].
finally, can you tell me if Abu Bakr the father of Aisha had her before Islam or after Islam from a wife who refused to enter Islam with Abu Bakr, hence he divorced her? Could you tell me if it is after the divorce that she got pregnant for him, or before Islam that she had her last pregnancy and got divorced after her refusal to enter Islam, leaving behind her daughter for Abu Bakr the father to raise? A daughter that was engaged to a future husband who by the time Abu Bakr was attempting to emigrate to Ethiopia refused to take in the future wife in, hence call of the engagement because of the Islam of Abu Bakr which angered the pagan family? Tell me how long was the Islam in Makka before the hijra to Madina? tell me mr pagan how old was Aisha who was born before Islam would be after 13 years of Islam in Makka and 2 years of Islam in Madina before consummation of her marriage to the Messenger [as]?

who is the 9 years old girl? please provide a name and circumstances. if Muslims copy Muhammad [as], you will never have found any child pride in Northern Nigeria. they would have discarded that part of their culture. Yerima would not have gone to Egypt to marry an underage from a poor family selling their young to a perverted idiot from the north of Nigeria.

Aisha [ra] says of her marriage that she participated in the contract of marriage with the Messenger [as]. What do you think the contract is about except the rights, dos and donts, acceptables and rejectables of the future relationship? Tell me how a pre puberty [someone who is not a 'balagh'] person can participate in this, knowing the right of wife and protecting it in the contract? Note that it is not only woman who must marry if she reaches this threshold. man is as well, as long he or she is ready, willing and able. if you are not ready or willing or able, then fast and no one should force a daughter to enter into a marriage she is not interested in.

as a yoruba man, I saw beauty in my father's marriage. and i disliked then as i dislike now the marriage process of the non muslims. the wife is made to become a mrs by throwing away her family name for her husband's. she has to change all her documents to this new name. and if there is a divorce and she hates this name now [and it happens when it is bitter divorce], she has to change over again. imagine a woman who as they say 'unlucky[i dislike the word luck or unlucky] in love' how many times she need to go through this back and forth? you need mr pagan to speak the truth if you know it. and if you dont, seek the knowledge for truth and find truth which you must speak.

[Quote]Today's Muslims do not bury their daughters alive in the physical sense; they bury them alive in the social and intellectual sense. Parents prefer boys, girls receive less education and women are restricted in every aspect of their lives.[/Quote]no daughters have come from my loin yet. it was by Islam that my wife knew of a troubled young christian girl that her 'master' a banker sleeping with her 'pastor' boyfriend while her husband is in america [the boss is mistreating her while the evil pastor wants her virginity] and i as a couple are now trying to adopt her; not changing her family name; Eden. and you know yorubas so not have such a name.

all the neices from my brothers and sisters are college educated. no one 'buried' them in any form. inchaAllah, my wife and i will not bury this soon to be completely adopted young girl. her university education is guaranteed Allah Willing, allowing her to shine and know her people. its all for Allah's Pleasure.

i will not read much from you because my wife retains her father's name. this is command of Allah.

what did your gods command and which one of your gods is the biggest god, which one is the smallest and name the in between gods?


Arab women before Islam under Muhammad [as] used to be properties, like camels were. they used to get gang banged or used for sexual orgies similar to what used to happen in bath houses before hiv/aids curb such sexual wilding or what still happen in sexual parties, where it is free for all. is that a life, mr 9japagan?

@Frosbel; « on: Today at 12:15:23 AM »
[Quote]In Islam, what is the greatest act of love Allah has ever accomplished? I asked this question of several Muslims and I got similar answers: he forgave us of our sins; he gave us families and provisions; he showed us mercy; he gave us the Qur'an. The answers didn't vary much beyond these responses. I found them lacking.[/Quote]one of the Names of Allah is "Al Wadud"; The Loving. The Loving is greater than Love itself. He is the One that has the Love that He actions. it is that action that you experience. Surely the possessor of love is more than the love he possesses. Your mother is more important than the motherhood she displays as her form of affection for you.



[Quote]Most Muslims believe that the Bible is not trustworthy, that it has been corrupted, that the Injeel (gospel) of Jesus has been lost, and the Qur'an restores God's truth to mankind. But, that is another subject to be debated.

In John 15:13 Jesus said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend." I have the Nestle Aland Greek New Testament with the textual apparatus included in it. The textual apparatus is the complete listing (per verse) of any textual variants that occur in any of the ancient New Testament manuscripts. Therefore, it is a very easy thing to go to John 15:13 and look at the textual evidence to see if there are any manuscripts at all, anywhere that have any variation on that verse. There are none. In other words, there is not a single manuscript of the more than 25,000 manuscripts of the NT that have a different translation on that verse. Every single one of them says the exact same thing. I will, therefore, conclude that it is an authentic and reliable saying of Jesus.

Again, Jesus said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend." According to Jesus, the greatest act of love is to sacrifice one's life for another. This means that giving one's life for another is a greater act of love than providing food for him, giving him a family, being nice to him, or honest, or helpful, or whatever. Self-sacrifice, to the point of death, is the very greatest act of love.[/Quote]and the creation who gives up his life for his friend is nor equal or greater than the Creator of the two of them Who gave them lives in the first place, and preserves them to the point that the other thinks [if it is true. not] that he needs to die so that the other may remain alive? what if the Creator refuses the creation willing to sacrifice himself/herself for the good of the other, the friend? does he/her out of her selflessness kills himself/herself by other means without the death that the Creator has created to take lives?

the one who killed himself [if it happened] left his friend to deal with emotion that comes with knowing that the other died for him, unless he doesn't have true emotion. the friend left alone may actually suffers many calamities, loneliness, poverty, lack of companionship, etc based on the death of the one who sacrificed himself. sacrificing yourself is a sin. this is murder, suicide. can such a friend create the life he lost for his friend, when it was the Creator that has Power of life and death and He does not die and always alive before life itself began [very unique quality these are]? The One Who has the Power to give them lives, preserve their lives and in due course take their lives as He Wills is always the Greater.



[Quote]Has Allah performed the greatest act of love? The answer is no. Allah has not sacrificed himself at all. Allah has not died for another. Allah has not loved us to the point of death. In Christianity, Jesus, who is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), laid His life down for us. Jesus performed the greatest act of love.[/Quote]do you have to die to show love at all? first, the verse you quoted much much earlier could not have came from Jesus, because he could not be speaking about what will happen in the future in a textural language as if it had already happened. read it again. and to make Jesus become God as above is dishonest because no eyes have ever seen God. Ever. Jesus included. he came to being as i did; from mother's womb. he was lifted up by Allah's Power. and he has not been returned, so to even say he is God is against that verse, because all his friends and enemies in his time so him. he ran from some and later hid himself because he did not want them to get him again [and no one truly dies more than one time].

Allah is the Creator of death on creations. how is death itself a creation have power its Creator? who oversees creation if Creator dies or does not exist? Mercy of His Power is His Mercy without anything being sacrifice to have that Mercy.



[Quote]If Islam is true,

If Islam is true and Allah is the true God, then Jesus, a creation (according to Islam) has performed a greater act of love than Allah (according to the Bible). A mere man has outdone Allah in love and sacrifice. But, of course, Islam denies that Jesus ever died. They then say that Jesus has not done the greatest act of love. Their denial does not change the fact that Jesus died on the cross as is amply attested to by the eyewitnesses who wrote the gospel. Besides, whether or not the Muslim believes Jesus died on the cross does not change the fact that Jesus told us what the greatest act of love was -- and Allah has not done it. Yet, according to Christianity He has. Since Muslims want Christians to adopt Islam, they are asking Christians to give up their Lord who has performed the greatest act of love on their behalf. Why would they want to do that?[/Quote]the last i checked, the bibles [many versions, many revisions, many, many and no 2 versions are alike] say that Jesus begged that he be not be allowed to have the cup on his head. then he added 'not as by my will, but as per Your will.' unless he was talking to himself, he must be talking to the Holder of Authority. this by your books is Yahweh/Jehovah. by my Book, He is Allah. your bibles said he was told that he will be supported by the 'heavenly support/being' that God will send. this heavenly being is Angel Gabriel from the islam viewpoint. how did the support from Yahweh/Jehovah manifested itself if you said Jesus was hung? what would have happened except hanging if Yahweh or Jehovah didn't send any support? Are you saying that the support from Yahweh/Jehovah is weak that Jesus lost his life anyhow, or Jehoah/Yahweh lied to him with promise of support that he did not send or made ineffective? you are on your own in your mess. clean it up.

Allah promised to protect Jesus, from his enemies so that they do not humiliate him, a Messenger and prophet that He sent. so He protected him. you say Yahweh failed His son; what a father, what a powerhouse. if he was His prophet, He should not allow him to be so humiliated, and as Paul puts it his soul is cursed. Allah on the other hand protect and preserved the life of His Messenger. That is Power, Might, Love. The Love is more than Love.



[Quote]If Christianity is true, then God has performed the greatest act of love. If Islam is true, then God hasn't. Which "god," then is more loving, the one who speaks of love, or the one who acts out love?

I have found no where in the Qur'an where it says that Allah is love. The Qur'an says that Allah loves people, but it never says that Allah is love. By contrast, the Bible clearly tells us that God is love. "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him," (1 John 4:16).[/Quote]by my responses above i have hinted what is christianity. Al Wadud is The Loving. That is much greater than Love.



[Quote]Who does God love?

Does God love all? In Islam, the answer is no. In Christianity, the answer is yes.[/Quote]Yahweh loved Pharaoh and Moses equally. Oh. Yahweh/Jehovah loved Goliath and David equally. continue to bury yourself in ignorance since you dont see that only those Jehovah loved will end up in [lake of fire; you wanna go there or why is it created except for those hated?].



[Quote]Consider the following verses from the Qur'an.

"Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith," (2:98, Trans. Yusuf Ali)
"Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers," 3:32, Trans. Shakir).[/Quote]Honest God is greater than deceiving God who is not truly a God by deceiving those who He says He loves.



[Quote]Consider the following verses from the Bible

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life," (John 3:16).[/Quote]who is the wife of Yahweh/Jehovah unless the child is a bastard?



[Quote]"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' 44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you 45 in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same? 47 "And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect," (Matt. 5:43-48).[/Quote]there is an irony here, considering that Jesus said he came to fulfill that very laws of Moses that says hate your enemies. how can he therefore abolish the thing he warned that whosoever abolishes or encourages any to abolish even the a jot amount of it shall be the least in the kingdom of heaven. tell me from the above, what is the station of Jesus; least or what unless someone in the bibles or writers of the bibles lied? i told somebody that the bibles have made the mouth of Jesus and others declared sons and maybe no daughters for Yahweh/Jehovah. whats so special about a son when everywhere you turn there is a son? I bet Jesus didn't think about this great love of his when he was chasing the money changers off the plaza. and when he called a tribe dogs. or people vampires, evil and adulterous generation seeking a sign. who were the people seeking a sign except his disciples; these were the evil and adulterous generation. what about your generation? ye of little faith, jesus said about the 12. imagine your own condition.



[Quote]We can easily see the huge difference between the God of Islam and the God of the Bible. In Islam, God does not love all people. In the Bible, God does love all people. In Islam, Allah did not die for the sins of those who were not his. In the Bible, God did do that. In Islam, Allah has not performed the greatest act of love. In the Bible, God did exactly that.[/Quote]the biblical God loves people so much that when He was One He was known as Yahweh Who wasted the children of Israel after saving them from Egypt. He wasted them in the desert that 40 day journey turned out to be 40 years so that all adults could die before the destination. Why did he let them waste that much time; it was out of His love for them. it was His love that made everyone who was adult at the start to never reached destination. is this love or hate? He loved them in spite of their making a golden calf, a think they all died for, the adults i mean. then He made a law that Only He to be worshiped. the christian missed that part of Only He, so they worship 3 Gods; Jehovah Who used to be Yahweh, Holy Ghost Who is not known with any proper name except His function; running errands, getting Mary knocked up [pregnant; these are claims of the christians] and Jesus who used to be a son, and father and son of man and prophet [how am i doing so far?]. it is after the Golden Calf that the children of Israel learned that Only God must be worshiped and no graven image [the christians missed the graven image, also so the have a man hanging on a wooden plank on a wooden plank [cross, instead of a tree where the said Jesus the 3rd God was hung by Jews or Romans; make your own choice]]. where is love in this or love has to hurt? no man has been saved from death yet after the alleged death of Jesus to save his believers.

this dude is so timid that he couldn't say the biblical God died, so he said the 'bible God did that'! God knows your home address. wayo man. A God that dies is no God, even the 9japagan will agree there. you don't have God, man. you only have 3 gods.



[Quote]My question to the Muslims is, "What makes you think that I want to give up my Lord who loves me so much that He would die for me, and did die for me, for a god who has not and cannot perform the greatest act of love?[/Quote]Allah does not need to kill anyone like Jehovah killed Himself or His son or an innocent man [Jesus begged. we know he did not bargain for it and unwilling to die. he cried out if only in complaint at best, while the little boy of Abraham didn't complain. Jesus was a grown man, over 30 is grown while the son of Abraham is much younger than that]. Allah simply requires obedience from you and sincere repentance. even with all the killing by Jehovah who suddenly became 3, wasting 1 part, the christian still have to obey [obedience] and confesses [repentance], otherwise they will go to lake of fire [hell fire]. so one should ask, what is the real value of the death? only for confession [repentance]?

here is love for you coming from the Loving;
Quran; 9 verses 4/7, 19 verse 96, 2 verse 195, 3 verse134/148, 5 verse 13/93, 4 verse 42, 49 verse 9, 60 verse 8, 61 verse 4, 2 verse 222,
9 verse 108, 3 verse 159.
love for the Loving; 2 verse 165/177, 3 verse 31, 5 verse 54, 21 verse 90, 76 verse 8

here is my conclusion and reality check for you; the One Who holds sway of everything does not subject Himself to what is not fitting to His Position. there is no way the father of the house is going to use the bathroom and ask that mom diaper him as the 6 month old baby. what befits an entity is what that entity does. God will not 'submit' Himself to death just like man who has to die, and thats the only way you said God must show His love. how about just giving an easy to reach goal, a task that every sane person can do; washing up and sincerely bowing yourself to Him; exactly what jesus did in the garden?

The God of Muslim as you termed Him is God of All in reality and Jesus said God is greater than all. This Great God is Allah Who does not tag you with a sin from your mother's womb, or for somebody's mistake you are punished with working hard and your wife goes through pain and Jesus was humiliated to death. guess what; you still have to work hard and your wife still goes through the pain. so what purpose has jesus served? ZERO.

now, no man is recorded with any sin until the time he reaches sexual maturity. so maybe up to about the age of 14 to 16 you are okay, even if you make mistake. but Jehovah overladen you with sins of Adam and Eve. So where is justice here when you have done nothing wrong of your own yet? Starting from zero when you reach puberty is much much better than starting from negative when you got out of mother's womb. so when you are teething and you bite her when suckling, that is added sin.

I am grateful that Allah has made my heart lean towards Islam.

@Image123; « #20 on: Today at 08:42:46 PM »
Image123 is probably stammering so terribly that he is now double post. whats wrong, man? The real God is keeping people straight as an arrow. its the fake God [god] that keeps people confused. only such a mind will post as below; twice.


[Quote]@nlMediator
It takes 'DISCIPLINE' for reason to overcome emotion, and we don't have many disciplined people in the world. On the general, and by default emotion is stronger than reason.

@necta
i see you've been stammering, can't even pick much from the stammer. Can you try to sing it or something? From the little i could pick sha,  the Bible says Mary was the wife of His 'father', what the Bible doesn't say is that Mary was the wife of His Father. You don't have to be a wife to be a mother do you?[/Quote]from the bold, are you sure you are alright? and to what follows, a mother who is not a wife is a concubine and her child is a bastard. bastard does not have the right of inheritance. what are the relations of Mary and her son Jesus to Yahweh/Jehovah, again?



[Quote]And see you already disbelieving the scripture i quoted. So you believe He said "My God my God" but don't see Him say "Father into your hands I commend my spirit" OR "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"[/Quote]Jews in their racist and supremacy minds in the bibles turned God and Guidance from Him to their own national and tribal identities in a sense of disadvantage to others around the world. they forgot that before them God and His Supreme Guidance were known by Adam and his mate Eve and their righteous son Abel and progeny in generations after him. That included Enoch and later Noah. So the jews when it came to them, after the common patriach that they had with Arabs of Makka where Muhammad [as] was a product; Abraham, the grand children or even great great grandchildren of Jacob began to call themselves children of God. read your bibles and tell me a verse where Abraham, Isaac, Jacod, even Joseph ever said God is his father. then show me a verse where Moses or Aaron said that he is son of God. Now confirm to be that Jesus is the only one in his time who is the son of God and the nations of Israel were not, sons and daughters of their own individual fathers. Even the sons of God your bibles say came down to get the daughters of man pregnant.

finally Jesus said father [a generic statement] in that verse, while he says 'my God', a more personal thing. even if he had said 'my father', it will not make any difference because every john doe and jane doe in the bibles, as long as he or she is jewish is child of Yahweh, even Yahweh; read what Jesus said: is it not in your book that you are Gods?. its your conscience, man. muddle it up.



[Quote]i really don't have time now for your insincerity and blindness.[/Quote]i know man. i know. it is me who is insincere when i know that my father is a nigerian, the man who my mother had relationship with, not a fling but in marriage. or how is a father a father and a child of a mother is not a bastard? i also know that i am blind to see that 3 cant be 1 or 1 cant be 3 wholes.



this below is exactly as what i responded to above. whats wrong with that mind posting twice the same thing in the same post?
[Quote]@nlMediator
It takes 'DISCIPLINE' for reason to overcome emotion, and we don't have many disciplined people in the world. On the general, and by default emotion is stronger than reason.

@necta
i see you've been stammering, can't even pick much from the stammer. Can you try to sing it or something? From the little i could pick sha,  the Bible says Mary was the wife of His 'father', what the Bible doesn't say is that Mary was the wife of His Father. You don't have to be a wife to be a mother do you?
And see you already disbelieving the scripture i quoted. So you believe He said "My God my God" but don't see Him say "Father into your hands I commend my spirit" OR "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".
i really don't have time now for your insincerity and blindness.[/Quote]

@Crazychica and frosbel; « #2 on: Today at 07:59:14 PM »
[Quote]@belabela
thanks for taking the time to get this, i have been touched and I hope to convince any around me, should this case arise again. God bless u dearie!
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Re: Answering A Muslim Critic By Larry Rouse
« #3 on: Today at 08:27:16 PM »

@belabela,

Thanks for posting this beautiful and truthful article.

Muslims need salvation in Christ, otherwise they are dead in their sins.!![/Quote]did you guys see to be continued . . . from Lagosshia? you fellas should have relaxed and let him tool up and completely dismantle the sandy caste that your boss larry rouse slapped together. then it is after it that you can respond painstakingly, if you have the 'will' to respond honestly. when jeremiah says the bible is corrupt, that is enough unless you are saying he was wrong, which is still another way of saying something is a lie in the bible.

@Frosbel; « #8 on: Today at 12:41:50 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta

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who is more important in christendom between Jesus or 'apostle' Paul?


Obviously Jesus Christ


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who is more quoted, who formulated the christian dogma, tenet, morality?


Who do you think ?[/Quote]you are asking me to answer my question to you? i will oblige you by saying Paul. look around it is not Jesus that the majority of you quote when telling us about your religion. obviously, the larger portion of nt was from paul. Jesus said something, 4 people according to the bible recorded him in 4 different ways. what he said last in recording is different in another, both of the same event; crucifixion. which one is correct because both can't be equally correct? what Paul said, preaching his brand of Gospel to the "uncircumcised" is all over the place. he formulated christianity. if i asked what Jesus says about the type of state a woman's head should be in in the the public, church and her freedom to express herself, it will be Paul who had something to say while Jesus was silent on each issue.

this is just a taste of what you need to know. it is Paul, not Jesus who said he is dying for you and you must believe that he died. yet it is this very thing that christianity stands and if you discover otherwise must fall upon.

now, who is more quoted?

again, who is more important to christianity; Jesus or Paul since it will be speech of the same person that is more quoted?

^ you didn't see the many different churches in the same building?

i am in the op's mind but i sense her christianity, wondering however, from these many which one is true?

if she needs the absolute truth, she better join the Islamic in crowd and ignore the negative hypes.