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@Frosbel: The commentator blames the catholics because the are the "seeing" to believe people.


listen to it.

Is it not the same with the hypocritical protestants who are "seeing" God before the can believe? What is your Jesus then from the Bible?



Birds of the same feathers.

the christians are running. but you can't hide.

@Inked Nerd: Islam is calling you, woman.

Many authentic enugu muslims; home and abroad. Please join the incrowd for an experience of a life time.


The day to me, this morning was special as i saw the hazy sun, but to many it is the "hazy" Lazy day[s] of summer.

@Joeagbaje and the hordes of christians crusading against one another, can you handle the fact that paul nailed OT to the cross with Jesus, while jesus said not only that he came to fulfill it, but warned that anyone who abolishes even the littlest of the OT, in christianity [if i can specify it as such] shall be the least in the kingdom of heaven?

When Paul nails or abrogates the Laws and Prophets, what is Paul [the unknown to Jesus], really to Jesus then?

You people follow Paul and forget Jesus in the above.

Another; The Kosher law. Jesus followed it as a good child of Israel {Jacob}. Paul allows you to eat everything.

How about circumcision? Jesus was circumcised {imagine the knife and the holder of the knife that cut off the foreskin of your lord?}. Paul said come off it. No circumcision for you. All you africans who are circumcised are so because of african traditions, not because of Christianity. Mine, a muslim was primarily done because of Islam.

@rezzy; I am throwing a party for you. I want you to watch how the christians are going to be dancing around the subject of who is it that they believe. belief is not only of mouth, it is by soul and heart too, therefore you actualize it.

When it is Paul who takes precedence over Jesus, who is it that Christians believe? This is the question. and you are my transformer that I do not want to hug until you wear hijab. then I will tell your husband to hug you for me.

lol. This is my ramadhan gift. Joeagabaje and the christians got themselves in human waste storage.

I wanna see how they will get out, climbing up on one another to get deeper in the soaker.

I am gonna enjoy this one.

Thank you Allah.

Alhamdulillah. Shukrilillah.

Boys and girls, start your engine. This is truly a summer classic.

@rezzy; I am awaiting your contribution. Seee o ri Ise Olorun Oba?

^^^^^^^ He reads minds now by his 'they secretly'. You are one up on Jesus because he couldn't read mind.

If you don't read mind, trying to give you a way out for not being superior than your god, who among the muslims informed you of "secretly"?

I am sure you are definitely better than Jesus of the Bibles in knowing the hearts, not.

My brother Vedaxcool may Allah reward you for your steadfastness in the struggle against tyranny. Ramadhan Karim to you.


@Seyibrown: « #15 on: Yesterday at 09:45:19 PM »
[Quote]^^^^ 'V place' & 'A place' = Private p/a/r/t/s! You had no idea that Allah allows a child whos has been damaged in such a way by an older pervert can be divorced and will not count as one of the pervert's four wives? You have never met those female beggars from the north who stink all the time because of the 'merger' resulting from their 'Allah-commanded' early marriage consummation and/ or early childbirth? Read up more on what following Allah's commandments/ perverts' fatwas results in![/Quote]It is private part that you can't write out or what is it, from it that terrifies a married a woman?

As to what I see in the north or what I don't see in the north, I will copy a young woman on NL who says of herself; Omo yoruba ni mi o swagger. I am also Omo yoruba. And there is a bounce to my steps. But I tone it down because Islam forbids such a haughtiness. Islam is not Saudi Arabian religion, so it is definitely not a northern Nigerian religion. Not all Northern Nigerians are Muslims. Not all Muslims are Northern Nigerians. Thats even in Nigeria. But Islam is world over.

You did not count their marrying underage to their Northern Nigerian Tribal cultures but you ascribe it to a wider culture that is Islam. Smart. Very smart. And you don't have this underage marriage in Auchi/Sabogidara Orah, or Benin, or among Igbo Muslims or common among Yoruba Muslims or it is the only marriage the Northern Nigerians practice?

And this underage marriage should have been described in the Quran and Hadith, and even your 'can carry the weight of a man' that you said is what is meant as age of Marriage from the Quran. I need to see your tafsir. It will be interesting because it is similar how Another Comforter who shall hear and speak only what he hears becomes a fire that rests on the head of the 11, plus paul and others, I imagine.

Please tell me you are joking. You have your presentation of Jesus waiting on the other thread. Don't disappoint your audience, even if you botch the post as you are doing here. Present something so that we can all laugh, shake our heads or scratch them.

I asked about the duties of Another Comforter, from the lips of Biblical Jesus, Frosbel and gang of 2 [tunnyton] gave me stories of what they think the people finally formulated for themselves in order to not take what Jesus said. Well guys, it is completely different from what Jesus said that you said about the Another Comforter.

Duck and Goose, and Swan, yes.

But Duck and Dog, they are not related.

@Tunnytox; « #274 on: Today at 08:44:39 PM »
[Quote]Look dude i don't have your time I have matured enough to be engaging myself on meaningless arguments, it is obvious you like to argue out of context, You're posting about where Arabia was mentioned in the Bible? I never said arabia wasn't mentioned I stated that God does not have His covernant with Arabians but Isrealites no Biblical prophet i repeat no Biblical prophet ever came from arabia so forget about all these arabians crap cos I'm not buying into it.[/Quote]if only you read what you wrote earlier. Only then you will understand that you are completely wrong here. Covenant was had with Abraham, if you wanna start with him. He was not an Israelite or Israeli or Child of Israel, unless you understand the Grandfather to always be a son to his Grandson. Who was Israel but Jacob the son of Isaac, the younger brother of Ishmael both sons of Abraham? Did the covenant with Abraham covered Isaac? he was not even born then. Did the Covenant with Abraham covered Ishmael? His foreskin was removed, just as the foreskin of Abraham was removed and they were both at the same time. Why? As the sign of the Covenant. This is what your Bibles say. Although, your Bibles with the most vile prophesy about Ishmael. Did the prophesy came true? No, because Ishmael, son of Abraham was a good man to his death and no evil action recorded on him. Even his 12 sons. If you have a proof of him being a "wild ass", please present it. Talk is cheap, man. If Isaac was a prophet, guess who was a prophet before him? Ishmael the "only son of Abraham because he was the first son". I will be wasting my breathe with you since you are not willing to learn and you already shot off your mind. Among non Israelite Biblical Prophets were Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, their cousin Lot, and oh Jacob who became Israel. Israelites are children of israel, and Jacob himself can't be an Israelite.



[Quote]As I stated before continue to enjoy your islamic beliefs i have no beef with you or Islam but as far as i'm concerned I don't belief in Islam or anything Islam stand for I have done my own research and become convinced beyond all doubt that Islam is fake.

Bye[/Quote]At some point in human history, man, plenty of them researched and agreed that the earth is flat. Further research actually confirmed that the earth is spherical. Those who proposed the later were persecuted and definitely maligned as heretic. Islam is the later. Really the latest. Bye and I wish you well. You are alive and you may still receive guidance, yet. Allah is Full of Mercy, Forgiving.



@frosbel (m) « #275 on: Today at 08:47:09 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta
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Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. Jn 16:14

The same bible that is corrupt is the same book you go to for random verses that can be taken out of context to support Muhammad.[/Quote]Corruption is to mean less than 100% authentic. If you can't understand that, then how can you understand more complex issues?



[Quote]Let me just put it straight to you that Muhammad was not a holy man, in fact Gandhi who was a hindu and various other false prophets were 'holier' than Muhammad.[/Quote]How about Abraham who fought war, if not wars? How about Moses who obviously fought many wars? How about David who fought wars, took some poor man's wife and sent him to war to get killed [these are from your own Bibles]? How about Solomon the wise who had fought wars, had 700 wives, then 300 concubines on top of the so many wives and then worshiped gods of other nations [these are from your Bibles]? Which one of them is not a Biblical prophet? and David was called the father of Jesus son of Mary? Do you know what that made Mary? wife of David. Do you know what that made Jesus? Bother of Solomon. You see how terrible it can get?



[Quote]It is an insult to compare Muhammad with the least of the prophets in the bible talk less Jesus Christ the LORD of our salvation and creator of the universe.[/Quote]Shall we say John son of Zacharias is the least, or who is your choice? John in the department of peace loving-ness, he never chased old people off the plaza for doing business. The man was beheaded and did not complain. Jesus is no God. You should know that. I am waiting for Seyibrown to present her Jesus outside the Bibles, because what I saw in the Bibles is less than what a true muslim will do when death comes; Muslims do not complain. Jesus complained till death, according to your Bibles.



[Quote]Muhammad was a most unholy man. How on earth a holy bible that you accuse of been corrupt can be speaking about Muhammad is beyond the imagination of even a confused fellow. The bible is corrupt, yet you pick un-corrupt verses which might be corrupted anyway to support the theory of Islam .[/Quote]you are truly confused. Muhammad [as] is less than God. Your Bibles speak about God. Do you see reality here? Whats happening to you is that you have bought into ignorance, otherwise you would have asked your religious leaders how The non verbal Holy Spirit was able to accomplish the job of Another Comforter who must hear from God before he speaks and speaks only what he hears? Abeg, england should have opened your mind, not constricting it.



[Quote]The bottom line is that this verse referred to the Holy Spirit , let me show you its fulfillment for your sake.

" When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them." - Acts 2:1-4

This was the beginning of the baptism of the Holy Spirit which was first spoken of by John the Baptist and fulfilled in the early church and to this recent generation for all true believers[/Quote]Here is what Jesus said unless he was incorrect and you and the Bible writers and the disciples who are now 11 are correct; "The Another Comforter which is a True Spirit from God [Holy Spirit if thats your fancy], shall speak only what he hears from God to you, correcting you [of mistakes in religion], teaching you new things [that i did not teach you], leading you to all truth [because i didnt] and glorifying me [in due measure]. Now tell me how fire did that? You are so busted.



[Quote]This had absolutely nothing to do with Muhammad that warmonger of a so called prophet.[/Quote]Warmonger like Moses?



[Quote]The Holy Spirit was sent for the purpose of :

1. Salvation - to convict of sin, righteousness and judgement

2. Holinesss - To help believers attain unto the holiness required by GOD

3. Witnessing to the lost world ( here he supplied boldness wisdom and love for the lost )

4. Building of the invisible church of God in liaison with Christ Jesus

These are noble goals, and that is why the Holy Spirit was sent.[/Quote]None of these was mentioned by Jesus, so there is a liar somewhere. Who, frosbel if its not you because it is not Jesus? I read what Jesus said and you missed it by a mile.



[Quote]He was not sent to start an Arab kingdom, make a man murder his creation, take us back to the law, treat women as cattle etc etc . This is a typical Islamic fantasy.[/Quote]I wonder if you are talking about Holy Ghost because Arab Kingdom as you said was at least not in slavery like the Children of Israel kingdom who Pharaoh was eager to kill their men. You see, if you are talking about Muhammad [AS], the best thing that happened to mankind is his presence by the Permission of God Almighty. Muhammad was of Moderate and measured temperament. he will not allow you to kill him without putting up a fight. I think you hate that. That hatred from you is the most vile of all hatred. No one should make his own life cheap and available for another man to just take it. Yet, you must not fight, unless for a just cause, and must not start a conflict. All of these are in the Quran and not just the eye for an eye of OT and the impossible willingly turning the other cheek of the NT. We see that Jesus did not willingly turn the other cheek, the jews or romans took it by force and it was your Biblical tragedy.



[Quote]"John answered their questions by saying, "I baptize you with water; but someone is coming soon who is greater than I am--so much greater that I'm not even worthy to be his slave and untie the straps of his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire." - Luke 3:16[/Quote]Is this to lionize Jesus or to shift the issue at hand? John the son of Zacharias was born before Jesus and died before Jesus began or ended his ministry. The Another Comforter was after Jesus was lifted up. No?



[Quote]It truly saddens me, that you are picking at straws to justify a hoax called Islam which began with Muhammad.

You are deceived, repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ otherwise you will perish in your sins[/Quote]I am sad that you take a human being like you for your God. Please do not invite me to your evil company. My Creator is not dying. Your creator, according to you are 3 and at least 1 of them died if not all of them.



[Quote]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. Jn 16:14

This is more strange , tell me how did Muhammad glorify God ?[/Quote]We already agree and you must have heard from me at least that Jesus was no God but a mere human prophet from his own lips. He shall glorify me, is therefore meaning Jesus son of Mary, a messenger was glorified by saying in the Quran, Jesus is the Christ, sent to the Children of Israel and given the knowledge of Torah, and his mother was not a prostitute as accused by her people, and Jesus announced the coming of Ahmad [The advocate, the One Who praises God most and the one who is praised most among mankind].
How did Muhammad praise God Almighty Allah? Your question is the most silly. But I will oblige you if you open the Quran, it begins with In the Name of God, The Most Glorious, The Most Merciful. {Please read The First Chapter; It is mere 7 short verses}. Muhammad's words never entered the Quran, a fulfillment of "What he hears, only that he shall speak".



[Quote]Did he glorify God by sleeping with a 9 year old and forcefully marrying his son's wife

Did he glorify God by murdering thousands in the name of his god

Did he glorify God by deceiving entire communities and attacking them at when they were at peace

Did he glorify God by engaging in robbery, violation , lying etc etc .

Again, I say this is a blasphemy.[/Quote]In war, all fair strategy is fair, very fair. How did Moses glorify God in the killing field? How did Jesus glorify God by his "why has Thou forsaken me?". The rest of your statement are mere accusation and the burden of proof is on you. It is through Muhammad [as] that I suppress my anger and become a very mild mannered man.



[Quote]Muhammad was the least holy of all MEN and he only glorified Satan and himself, not the true GOD.[/Quote]While Jesus was calling Peter satan, every muslim says 'I seek protection of God against satan the accursed'.



[Quote]Islam stands firm by itself without needing any support from Jews, Christians or others;

[b]But yet Islam uses the Jewish and Christian books , even Hindu books in some instances to justify Islam, lol[/b].[/Quote]Christians use the Books of Jews to justify themselves. There is no book written for the christians, except what Paul wrote. Jesus spoke to jews, his people, not to you a misguided african. You need to know you place, man. Just because jews reject Jesus does not mean that he came for you. No. The one whose prophetic office covers you is the one you are railing against.



[Quote]Islam cannot stand by itself, it is a LIE , looking for a justification and in the process building more layers of lies and deception. It is now uncontrollable in its quest for legitimacy that it would be funny were it not for the millions of souls at stake.I asked you to show me an example or two of what the another comforter taught the disciples, you avoided the issue. You can't hide because I will ask you at every opportunity. What did he correct them on as their mistakes? How did he speak up what he heard from God? These are signs of your lies while Satan made you accept lies as truth and Truth as lies.



[Quote]Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him (PBUH) was born in Mecca, a city of religious pilgrimage in Arabia. His advent is described as the coming of the Lord, the Law and ten thousand righteous followers from Mount Paran in the Old Testament.

No this was not in reference to Muhammad and he had no righteous followers, not even Muhammad himself was righteous.[/Quote]Maybe you need to tell us what was the significance of Paran that your Bibles cant help but to mention it? What good came out of Paran or who was the other person from Paran? I really want you to have a real soul searching.[/quote]

@tunnytox: « #272 on: Today at 01:24:48 PM »
[Quote]If Mohammed is your own comforter so be it, all I know is that a warmonger, a peadophile and a confirmed womaniser could not be my own comforter.

My comforter the holy spirit mentioned in the Bible is the sprit of God as manifested in Acts chap 2 whereby the spirit of God descended in form of fire on the day of pentecost on early Xtians, this spirit empowered them to speak in new tongues, to preach the word of God with boldness and direct them in all their day to day actvities. This spirit is still with us today for whosoever shall surrender his life to Christ, humble himself and live in holiness the spirit of God is there for them to plan their life according to God's will for them.[/Quote]If this is what your life in Ibadan now continued in UK got you of "Another Comforter" spoken about in the Bible, you are wrong or the Speaker in the Bible is wrong. It seems as if you didn't know what Jesus said before you antagonized him, concerning the Comforter/The Spirit of Truth "Holy Spirit". below is the Biblical text and please take your time to read it and even more time to show me how "he' is the fire, and how the "fire" was able to accomplish all Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit "Spirit of Truth/Another Comforter" shall accomplish as the role to be fulfilled:

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for[b] he shall not speak of himself[/b]; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. Jn 16:14

The above we were told by Jesus, if he spoke them were the roles/duties of the Another Comforter/The Spirit of Truth "The Holy Spirit". Tell me how "Holy Spirit", a God like Jehovah spoke without saying anything audible, while Jehovah as Yahweh spoke from Heaven and was "heard" when John son of Zacharias was certifying Jesus as man in the bamitva the Jewish Tribe right of Passage to adulthood a 13 years old? Shouldn't the hearers hear this Holy Spirit instead of them speaking in different languages/tongues? Did Jesus promise that they will speak in tongues instead of hearing what the Holy Spirit will say? Did Jesus say Fire is He or how did this fired up Holy Spirit accomplish the hearing and the speaking so that "it as Fire" can guide to all truth, show things to to come, glorify Jesus, received of Jesus and show it unto the disciples, not to you not to anyone else?

Maybe the disciples wrote things down to benefit others and future generations, but the Another Comforter which is the Spirit of truth "The Holy Spirit" was to stop with this limited group of 11 now that Judas Iscariot is dead. Show me where things are written and give me example or two of what The Fire told the disciples that they didn't know from Jesus, or what correction he made of their wrong assumption/held notion. Please don't be shy. Lay it hard on me. I remember that many Christians have laughed about Muslims telling them that Muhammad as Another Comforter even teach us how to enter and exit the bathroom; a thing so ordinary, but it has a method in order to get great reward.

Please tell me something that simple. One or Two that was not known in the lifetime of Jesus that the Fire as Another Comforter, as The Spirit of Truth as The Holy Spirit told the disciples and they passed them down to you in writing or in an unbroken chain of narrators until it is written down.



[Quote]Forget about Mohammed the Bible have nothing to do with Arabians, no prophet in the Bible has ever come from Arabia, the convernant of God is with Isreal and not Arabia. Mohammed have no place in the Bible, never mentioned and cannot even be smuggled into it no matter how clever. Whoever is seeking acceptance for his wrong doings/attitude will always tend to relate this to other people's way of life, Muslims do not need to smuggle Mohammed into the Bible to allow them gain an acceptance of their religion from Xtians. if you believe Mohammed is your comforter I repeat again so be it but definitely not mine[/Quote]Is Arabia mentioned in the Bible? Yes. Read just a few below and I thank Allah for allowing you to pen what you had penned. Islam stands firm by itself without needing any support from Jews, Christians or others; The religion from God is Islam and whosoever arrive to his/her death with other thing has done himself/herself a great injustice:

the land of Havilah which is mentioned in the Bible in Genesis 2:11
Paran and its wilderness, mentioned in Genesis 21:21, is also located in Arabia
Abraham's son, Ishmael, dwelt in Arabia with his mother. He married an Egyptian woman here and had twelve sons, according to Genesis 25:13-15. Ishmael was circumcised according to the covenant between God and Abraham. Ishmael's name was chosen by God as well - refer to Genesis 16:11
Moses and the Israelites dwelt in the wilderness of Paran in Arabia after leaving Egyp[/b]t (Numbers 12:16). Moses sent some of the Israelites to spy on Canaan. The rest of the Israelites stayed in Paran until the spies came back 40 days later (Numbers 13:17,25).
[b]Moses blessed the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 33:2-3, saying "the Lord shined forth from Mount Paran. He came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them." Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had ten thousand followers when he returned to Mecca after his emigration from his birthplace because of religious persecution.
Isaiah 62:2 says, "And thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name." The only religion named by God is Islam, which was given that name in the Holy Quran as the completion of religion for mankind. Judaism and Christianity were not named by God in their respective scriptures. The followers of Islam are called Muslims.
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him (PBUH) was born in Mecca, a city of religious pilgrimage in Arabia. His advent is described as the coming of the Lord, the Law and ten thousand righteous followers from Mount Paran in the Old Testament. The prophet Isaiah (PBUH) speaks of Medina in Chapter 21, verses 13 through 17. The emigration of Muhammad (PBUH) and the first Muslims from Mecca to Medina is described in these verses. It also describes the diminishing power of the tribes that forced Muhammad (PBUH) to leave Mecca and their defeat in the battle of Badr. The events of this prophecy were fulfilled in June 622 A.D through March 624 A.D.

Dedanim was the tribe that descended from Dedan, son of Jokshan, and grandson of Abraham and Keturah (Genesis 25:3). Another Dedan is mentioned in Genesis 10:7. This Dedan was a grandson of Cush. Dedan means in Hebrew "low country" and probably referred to southern Arabia. Strong's Number = 01719. These tribes followed the caravan routes, engaging in trade throughout Mecca. According to the Bible, these groups lived in the forest in Arabia. Dedan has been identified in Cuneiform inscriptions as Al-Ula, which lies some 70 miles south-west of modern Taima in Saudi Arabia.

@Seyibrown; « #13 on: Today at 12:20:50 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: vedaxcool on Yesterday at 04:01:12 AM
@op and frosbel; A person can give fatwa all day long. That does not mean he will be followed or be accepted from him. A true fatwa has to be anchored in Quran and Sunnah, otherwise it is bad science as they say. This is unacceptable.

To claim that there is no age of marriage of female to male is saying that there is no age of marriage of male to female also. After all marriage is between the two genders and the male is the one paying the dowry, always. In all the verses of the Quran and the examples in the Sunnah/Hadith that deal with marriage, I do not see a single one that says marriage should be forced on any party. Hence, the one getting married had to understand what marriage is and willing to enter it because there is a contract to abide with that protects the rights of the male and the female.

From the above Sweetnecta actually rejected the Fatwa, but Just as these Christians cannot read and understand the bible so also can they hardly read understand simple response on Nl, Like it is often said, it is mandatory to get old but not compulsory to GROW UP! and indeed this are clear signs of this statement, the Hadith i quoted clearly shows Islam position on marriage, As per the issue of Muhammad pbuh wedding Aisha at age 9, from some other estimate, she was definitely above 9, BUT Even if we agree he married her at 9, it becomes that only YOUR PERVASIVE MIND begin to imagine that he had intimacy with her at that age, it seems the Western behavior of intimate filled thoughts and behavior which is not only sad but shows how materialism clearly powering your thoughts

Funny how vedaxcool denies what is CLEARLY written in Islamic scripture. I don't think Aisha was deranged when she said she was 'done' at 9! You keep saying 'age of marriage' when the matter is 'age of consummation'! The article clearly talked about 'when the child can take a man's weight'! [/Quote]Seyibrown you are on your own here. Hadith is what Muhammad [as] said. It is always about Muhammad. if you say what was reported that Aisha [ra] said about herself relating to Muhammad is hadith, lets just examine it for a moment. Aisha [ra] was not the writer of the Hadith and not the narrator either. A person who speaks about himself or herself is the speaker, the one who will repeat what he or she says is the narrator, if there is a person to be so called. We in Islam on NL at least have asked many times that the christians tell us if Abu Bakr was a father to a new child after he entered islam? A new child from an ex-wife he divorced because of her refusal to enter Islam will be a tall order, a tale of a whopper. If a man is going to sleep with a woman, why divorce her and then go to have illicit sex with her? If you have a reasonable explanation for this, considering that Abu Bakr voluntarily left a disbeliever, I wonder why he should go in to have sex with her so much so that she got pregnant, accepting the baby will still rejecting the disbelieving mother? Tell us when was Aisha born by a mother who disbelieved and therefore was divorced by her father, immediately in the first year of Islam? How is Aisha 9 years old when Islam was 15 years old?



[Quote]Children have no idea what marriage is about and can therefore not be said to be able to give consent. Marrying a child off at 2 is ROBBING HER OF THE CHANCE TO MAKE HER CHOICE IN LIFE and but instead ensuring she is S.E^X*U*ALLY ENSLAVED TO A PERVERT CHOSEN FOR HER BY GREEDY OR IGNORANT PEOPLE![/Quote]Aisha [ra] said she participated in her own marital contract. She qualified Muhammad [as] as the walking Quran. Allah says 'age of marriage', not age women can take the weight of men. Big difference considering that the first marriage of Muhammad [as] was to an older woman, shall we say the age men can take the weight of women, too, and women do come on top. No?



[Quote]Those more knowledgeable in Islamic scripture and history say the consummation was Allah's commandment and Mo himself said he received more revelation when 'with' Aisha.[/Quote]More knowledgeable like the way Paul became more knowledgeable than peter the rock? That figures. Is there knowledge in lie? Ok; is there beneficial knowledge in lie?



[Quote]If this bit of Islamic scripture is INCORRECT (as you claim - the 'more muslim fatwa issuers' don't agree with you), how much more of it is BALDERDASH?

The good news for Islam is that this Fatwa will bring in more converts. All pedos have to do is become a muslim so that you can marry a child from a poor/ignorant family and say 'talaq talaq talaq' when she begins to grow teeth or as soon her 'V place' merges with her 'A place' to make room for a fresher victim. Allah commands it![/Quote]we want all comers; all the bishops and deacons, reverend fathers, etc, etc. And by Allah when they enter Islam, they will become cured. Seyibrown; V place, A place? What is that? Please don't tell me if it is chinese. I will be waiting to read your sale of Jesus, sometime, today, or soon after it. Dont keep me waiting. And no talaq is waiting for my wife. I love her the way she is. And I did not pick this stand by your matured wife from being a Yoruba or living in the west; I pick it up imitating Muhammad [as].

Joeagbaje is not support his sister, Seyibrown.

both of you, i offer Islam. Take it and ignore the boko haram, alqaidah, and others as i have ignored them.

There is a book published with the title " islam for us". Its about the so called revert [convert].

I remember a statement from one of the reverts; "if i had met muslims before i entered Islam, i probably will not have accept it". That revert was simply saying that muslims for the most part differ very greatly from true Islam.

it is true Islam that i ask you guys to research for yourself. I invite you to the religion ordained by the Owner of all Power; Allah The Almighty.

Do not let death come to you and you are not yet a Muslim "Don't die except as a muslim; in full submission to Allah".

@rezzy; « #279 on: Today at 07:27:43 AM »
[Quote]Sorry, i cant come and join a religion where there is no salvation, where they recite one thing day in day out.[/Quote]I am going to ask you if before Jesus there was any salvation? Where all Jews before Jesus destined to hell? How is Job going to end up in hell? Please explain it. Are you saying that Moses, Aaron, Joshua etc will end up in hell? Sisi, rethink your position. The fact is Jesus had a window of salvation for a specific people; tribes, the nations of Israel. Jesus was not the savior in human prophetic responsibility during the lifetime of Moses. Or the lifetime of David whose Psalm you use to protect yourself where and when Gospels are useless.

I dont get you about recite one thing day in day out. What about it? You must be a youth. No wonder your anger is boiling over. I see you wearing Hijab soon though. Like a young woman says 'Omo Eko ile nie o "swagger'. Hijabie women are beautifully obeying God, just like Mary mother of Jesus.



[Quote]Your religion is not peaceful, if it is, your brothers will not be in the north killing their fellow humans[/Quote]What about my yoruba and all the way to igbo brothers and sisters who are not killing any humans? You don't think the case of the northern brothers is more than religion? Abeg comot for road.

I wo omode yi fara balee. pele pele dowo e o. gbo gbogbo nkon ti mo nso fun e. a seee e ni anfani. Omo south of Nigeria ni e o swagger. lets communicate about religion. its good if you can sell me Christianity, with absolute proof. I am eager to sell islam to yo with absolute proof. Neither of us should be blind and swallow lies just because it is easy to ingest.

I wonder if t.truth know why Jesus said test the spirit if it is of God, if there was a single prophet of God expected in the future?

How is the Holy Ghost which is part of Trinity, according to the Christians will be relegated by 'The Ghost Partner; Yahweh' to hearing from Him before the Ghost can tell man what God; Himself the Ghost is saying?

How does the Ghost correct the mistakes on ground so that only previously known truth or the final truth is now established, lead to all things, reminds people of what Jesus said and glorify Jesus in the way he should be glorified, without short changing or exaggerating, especially when the Ghost does not talk?

If i remember correctly, it is the same Ghost that got Mary pregnant. Did she know when the ghost came to her since she cant see him? But she saw the Angel of God that made the announcement; The Angel appeared to her as a man and spoke to her.

No one has heard the voice of any Ghost, but holy people has heard voices of celestial being that appeared like human; the case of announcing the birth of Jesus illustrated my point.

If Muhammad is not the Another Comforter, please tell be before you laugh too hard and cant control yourself, how did the Ghost that never took the form of man spoke and fulfill the prophesy of Jesus above? I remember that Jesus said 'he will say only what he hears". Tell us how Ghost says what Ghost hears from God to man?

I will not laugh even if t.truth or his compatriots give the most silly explanation. I will chalk any and all unintelligent post to absolute ignorance and brainwash.

One group at least must be lying; the one who gave a prophetic saying that is not fulfilled or the one who turn reality of the prophetic saying on its head.

@Seyibrown; On the above, I am waiting for you. I will enjoy every last letter you type. I will reserve my comment until i see your Jesus and the things that are Jesus and your not Jesus and the things that are not Jesus.

@Rezzy; This is an invitation to a show in the amphitheater. You can watch from your house, if you can see the open air theater.

@5star and Joeagbaje; « #59 on: Yesterday at 03:52:07 PM »
[Quote]@ Op
U all should read 2 timothy 3:5

Jesus himself depended solely on the Holy Spirit for his earthly ministry, me thinks we ought to do the same

u can introduce one to the teachings of Jesus,he can go ahead and practice them and be well off doing so , buh it won't save him, the Jesus "change"should from inside out and not the other way. Cornelius, Acts 10 was a man with a very good resume with God but still needed to be saved

Paul is not more important than Jesus, he himself said "follow me as i follow Christ" 1 Corinthians 11: 1

only by one name can a man be saved, the name of Jesus Acts 4: 12

Bottom line all must repent and receive the holy spirit, Act 2:38

Bottom line, depend solely on his wisdom to win a soul, he knows the way, and who is ready to be won, not you, human wisdom will get us nowhere in spiritual things,[/Quote]What role did Jesus play in any Book of the Bible than The Gospels? Zero. Even in the Gospels, most of it was about where he went, how he got there; walking, on the boat or riding a donkey or two at the same time, how he slept, etc. Only the red letter portion is what it is assumed that he said. Even that most antagonize what he said and what earlier prophets were recorded to have said.

So to post any thing other than the Gospels to paint Jesus as personality is actually deceitful. Timothy can't pass for Jesus, but at best opinion of the writer about Jesus. If Jesus depends on the Holy Spirit, which you said is the most junior of the Gods in Trinity to conduct his earthly ministry, I wonder who is more powerful, the dependent or the one he depended on? No wonder the weak and most junior of the Gods, Holy Spirit was the one that came to support Jesus, What a support it was, according to the christians he was still hung.

How can Jesus fellowship not save a person, if Jesus is truly God and such a follower will need holy spirit still? If Cornelius was truly in good standing with Jehovah, shouldn't Jehovah be enough? Allah was Enough for Ibrahim [as] when the enemies threw him in the fire. On his way in the air into the fire malaika Jibril met him and asked if he needed help. He told him that Allah has empowered me to help you. Ibrahim told Jibril, I do not need your help because Allah my Creator knows my condition and Only He can help. Allah immediately told the fire before Ibrahim get to it to be a place of peace and safety for him. Ibrahim spent 40 days in the fire and came out and reported that it was some of the most peaceful days of his life.

Did Paul follow Jesus? Did he know Jesus? Did Jesus know of Paul? Lets go to www.leveltruth.com
We can visit the dead seascroll portion of it and see what is said of 'the liar'.

If Jesus is the only man/one that can save man, then the injustice has been done against those who were dead before Jesus; Adam and Eve, Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, Samuel, Saul, David, Solomon the wise, Elijah, Elisha, Job, Zacharias and John his son to name a few good men. Do any of you think God will condemn Abraham His personal Friend for you to enter "heaven", everyone wants paradise not heaven?



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@ Op

U all should read 2 timothy 3:5

Jesus himself depended solely on the Holy Spirit for his earthly ministry, me thinks we ought to do the same

u can introduce one to the teachings of Jesus,he can go ahead and practice them and be well off doing so , buh it won't save him, the Jesus "change"should from inside out and not the other way. Cornelius, Acts 10 was a man with a very good resume with God but still needed to be saved

BIG GBAM! for you, I've been wondering where are the good guys Grin

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Paul is not more important than Jesus, he himself said "follow me as i follow Christ" 1 Corinthians 11: 1

only by one name can a man be saved, the name of Jesus Acts 4: 12

Bottom line all must repent and receive the holy spirit, Act 2:38

Bottom line, depend solely on his wisdom to win a soul, he knows the way, and who is ready to be won, not you, human wisdom will get us nowhere in spiritual things,

ANOTHER GBAM FOR YOU! that makes it two. A monkey is still a monkey even if he wears trouser! . Morality is not salvation. It's supposed to be a fruit . Salvation is through faith.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.[/Quote]? Pitiful.



@seyibrown (f); « #62 on: Today at 01:27:20 AM »
[Quote]@ 5star,

Until you 'show' a village man (lost in the dark ages) an aeroplane he would probably think a horse is the fastest and most comfortable way to go on a long journey. Introduce the aeroplane and explain what it does and how it works FIRST, without asking him to FIRST get rid of his horse. Asking him to get rid of his horse when he has NO IDEA what that 'big metal bird' can do WILL NOT WORK UNLESS HE IS SO GULLIBLE THAT HE WILL ACCEPT THAT A MOTORCYCLE IS A BETTER MODE OF TRANSPORT WHEN SOMEONE ELSE TURNS UP LATER WITH ONE. His experience of travel in the plane and how long it took to get to his destination WILL CONVINCE him. You introduce the plane, the plane sells itself!

Introduce Jesus to a man; he starts liking how this Jesus does his things as opposed to his current role model and wants to experience him; Jesus converts him!

Preaching conversion does not give rise to immediate conversion in most circumstances. Many of us knew and loved Jesus as children having been introduced and continually taught about him but we did not PERSONALL MEET HIM until later in our years but HAVING BEEN TAUGHT JESUS made him ever present and ever nudging when doing non-Jesus things!

Teach a non-Christian the way that he should go and he will meet Jesus![/Quote]I am waiting. I want to meet the wailer. What I knew of him from the Bibles is not impressive. I wanna know what book[s] you are going to use now. If a muslim is dying and says 'my God, my God, why has Thou forsaken me [that I must die]?', he has became a non muslim. Why everyone expect death. It is a must.

If a messenger of God opens his mouth to make prayer to God, it is without doubt that the prayer is accepted. If it is not accepted, know that he is not a Messenger of God, because God will not allow His Messenger to make an unacceptable, not to be granted request. Jesus said in the Bibles that a prophet who says something and it does not get fulfilled is a false prophet. If Jesus made a prayer, cried about it to God and God still rejected the prayer, then such a Jesus is no Messenger of God. But you my dear Seyibrown go o far to say he is God and without him there is no God?

^^^^^^^^^^ There is no transformer in the street where I reside. So there.

I wonder if my talking about a disbeliever makes this little lady {rezzy} so angry.

@Rezzy; If Jesus is God and he complained about dying, then all mankind will have argument against him on the day of Judgement for creating death. death that he can't handle without crying "why".

Thats not even the quality of a mere believer in God. A believer accepts his/her fate which God has decreed.

I know that Jesus son of Mary didn't cry, didn't die because God promised to protect him, hence the holy spirit {Angel Gabriel] came to assist him and protect him, by the Permission of God from all the evil intents of his enemies.

sisi, be careful o. Worship 1 God and leave 3 gods alone. I am inviting you to Islam. Enter it peacefully. It will benefit you.

All these gra gra in your heart will disappear one time.

@Frosbel; can't you for once make sense? How is bad muslim the true Muslim? Are you saying good muslim is not a true muslim?

where do you think he gets his goodness from? You must not have realized that Allah says that "those who believe and do good" are the true believers, successful?

And the fact that Islam is already formed is what stops people from corrupting it like they corrupt the earlier form of Islam so much that they called it Judaism, and corrupt it some more to call it Christianity.

Thank God that He did not make Jesus Christian and only ethnic Jew without Judaism.

Thank God for Muhammad [as] who He brought to finalize the process of the final and firm path of Islam; honor killing is a make up of those who lacked honor and forgiveness.


Alhamdulillah Muhammad, his companions, those who followed them and the generation that followed, no one killed his female person for sexual illicit act.

Those who put gold capping in their mouth may claim that it is Islamic. We know it is not. Allah commands against filing of teeth. Those who honor kill can claim whatever they claim. We know it is not part of Islam.

Just as you claim that Jesus died. Just as you claimed Jesus came to soak up your sins. Just as you claim that Jesus is sent to the world and not just his ethnic Jews. Just as you claim that Christianity is from God. We know better. We know none of them is true; Jesus didn't die because God protected him from the horrible death, didnt soak up anybody's sin because everyone is responsible for his own deeds and Jesus was sent to the jews and no one else. We know Christianity is a make up religion based on the name of Jesus, like Buddhism is made up after the name of Buddha.

^^^^^^^^^^^ you don't have to be sorry because I was certain you would not understand a thing from it anyway. My writing is a certain sense of reality that I am trying to gear your emotion to see.

Christian white preachers perform miracles on black people in black people's land.

White people have the same problems and white preachers couldn't cure the white christians.

But he loaded himself into a plane and came to africa, leaving all the same diseases behind in Europe and America and where ever he came from. Do you see an irony in this under "Physician heal thyself"?

Why can't they heal the whites in their community first, instead of fighting to cure poor blacks people first?

Is white not right again and black stand back?



You tire me frosbel. Go see how Omo Alaro is skewing you as if you are suya. Frosbel meso jamba abeg.

stupidity of the christians. i dont who they copied; Jesus who wanted people to be brought before him to be killed or Jesus who told them to turn the other cheek or Paul who was chasing the all over the place before he went into a trance?

Don't forget that i am a muslim. My God is never weary and he is full of Knowedge.

A youth died, and you people never stopped making fun of his tragedy.

I have a youth who became a believer when he was well into his 30s.

Who told you that if the young man died because of what skyone said in 2008? Read what syone said and whenever the young man died, it was not within the time of skyone.

Allah gives each person the time he or she will use on earth. How many atheists around the world that God allows to remain and yet they have not relent? Who is Powerful; Skyone or God Who allows the sun to shine on everyone?

You people have no soul, no moral, no sense of humanity.

The worst kinda man should be left alone after death. the boy still has family and those who grief for his loss.

Muhammad [as] taught us a great lesson when he stood as the funeral procession of a jew was passing in front of him. His companions [ra] asked him, Oh Messenger [as] why did you stand [and they stood with him] as the funeral was passing, he was a disbeliever?

he said to them, should one not feel the loss of this perished soul. Perchance he could have became a believer.

learn from this and leave the dead with his Creator. And God may punish a people who make decision for God about who He will deal with His creatures.

he adds from his own finger Jesus. isn't written in your book that you are all Gods, Jesus said in the NT.

how about sons of God; every Jew is a son, so claimed the books of the jews; the Bible. they ignored the book Jesus brought and the christians rejected the books before it to "love your God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself".

i am wondering how frosbel was able to get what he wrote from "Love your God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself", except that he ignored Jesus and his one liner and went back to what Paul abolished already and Jesus fulfilled earlier?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ i am expecting you or some christians to say "infidels' because it is in the Bibles that you will see the word INFIDELS written.

you are so out of it.

lol is a laughter in Duhala cameroon.

@Frosbel; You are a joke. Omo alaro rubbish you in one thread, you run away to start another thread.

here is your problem. and maybe you are too young to know when ronald reagan was the president of america, so ask any older person about the influence of nancy reagan in that administration.

reagan believed in fortune teller. those card readers. the 'gipsies' type.

when ron was shot by brinkley for ' jody foster' she became the eyes and ears of the maverick cowboy radio announcer turned president. the only oscar worthy performance of ron was the president, as the gipper not the role in the movie. i have done enough on ron.

now to nancy; if she believed future tellers, what do you think she will of your christian healers? she is a christian still and has some influence with the conservative republican ala late ron's lingering influence.

imagine the number of blind and legally blind and semi blind white americans in this usa. if the government has not requested your miracle performing eye opening blindness curing pastors to heal these handicapped in american society, your healers should also find it "christ-like' to volunteer and help usa out.

sickeningly so, the white miracle workers had to find blacks to show their powers of healing while they leave their own kind in america and europe to remain blind. This is pitiful and not christ like, if there is truly anything christ like other than the gentle and not combative side of every prophet.

Elisha's bone raised up a dead man while he remained dead. you said Jesus is alive, when you claimed he died, you said God raised him up. what you fail to notice is that nothing Jesus is capable to do by himself. Jesus said it so unless the bibles are lying or the people who copied the manuscripts about that verse were mistaking and watered down Jesus to nothingness like you and I and your so called white healer? if Jesus himself was powerless, how can his name do anything?

stop being deceitful.

the miracle of Islam is forever. Quran itself is a miracle that is consistently easy for anyone to memorize it. it remains in its original text, original language and the styles of recitation were in the styles it was revealed.

the Bible as no original text and there is none anywhere to show; men writing and giving conflicting reports and numeration is not something that we can be certain is from God.

Allahummar rRahm, Fagfrili. Amin.

@Toba; Allah, not allah.

what you mean by allah you and Allah knows.

Allah. We know. we have no allah, especially when you write what you write.

^^^^ i guess you had supposed all towed the line of the evangelists, even if one is from a diverse religion?

conversation in forum like this is always about critical analysis; you present what you think is being discussed and provide a support or disagreement.

Thank God Philosophy is not the only discipline that affords the world the ability to progress.

@Seyibrown; who is/was Jesus?

Who isn't/wasn't Jesus [means who Jesus is/was not]?

What did Jesus command?

What didn't Jesus command?

What is Jesus way?

What is not Jesus way?

Seyibrown, if I stop here, it will be a good beginning to start you on your way to help your cause. But everything needs a thorough proof. You must provide "proof" to present your "Jesus". The burden of proof is on you by your last post that JeSoul loved so much.

@JeSoul; See how she will present Jesus. Please a wear knee boots, a rain coat and an umbrella because when the thing is rising or hitting every surface, you don't want the stain and the smell on your sundress.

@Frosbel is defending Jesus in his own awkward way; lying, bending the truth; Your bibles have condemned your posts. go sleep. Omo Alaro has destroyed your mythical belief using your Bibles.

You are now arguing against the Bibles. How do you justify that the same Jesus who you said is God is now "Fear God"? How is Jesus who capable of handling everything is now experiencing "immense suffering"?

How does Jesus now need "father" when he was able to cope for over 30 years before?

Man. You disappointed me. But Thank God. I am going to copy Omo Alaro's post and your weak response for my record. I can use it to engage many christians in my life.

Omo Alaro; I dont know your religion. I hope its Islam. Kudos to you. Go get Frosbel, tiger. Don't relent on him. Dismantle him to pieces.

Frosbel. I am gonna watch how long you can take the heavy blow from Omo Alaro before you became like powder.

^^^^^^ a true yoruba man would know that there is an existence of the Creator. Nothing that is created sees the Creator of that thing. Nothing that is invented sees the Inventor of that thing.

The Creator or Inventor is always not an many as the invented.

True Creator of mankind is not seen and not what the idolators represents Him by.

The Creator is Singularly Unique.

He sees everything in One Sight. Nothing is hidden from Him. He hears all callers of Him and those who refuse to call Him.

I wonder where a person can move to that is not within His Capability to reach him.

I am not a fool. I can't move away from the One I must run to. You move from Him if it is His Patience in Mercy that deludes you. His Wrath will awake you with the greatest awaking.

@rezzy; so baby you are not worshiping Jesus, right?
you are not worshiping Holy Ghost, right?


you are only worshiping Jehovah and the rest are not worthy of your worship?


sisi, i need The Name of The One you worship so that I know if I can worship The Same God. Please don't be shy. I like bold women.

the only money that didn't travel from his hand after he had gotten the loans from mom and dad is 1 naira. that what he is fooling you with.

you see, 99 naira made journey after the loan of 100 naira in his hand.

the idea is velocity of money. the only one that is not making any velocity and is not useful for the economy is the 1 naira in his hand. that was the answer; 1 naira in his hand.

[Quote]« #9 on: Yesterday at 12:55:39 AM »

adopting good aspects is alright but it must be compatible. in your case, it is not compatible. islam is a false doctrine based on the teachings of a donkey rider from the deserts of arabia. islam is nothing compared to Orisha. you must understand that by adopting this foreign culture, you are seriously neglecting your own identity. Orisha requires time and patience to understand. it is not straightforward as islam. islam is crude material whereas Orisha is composite. you need to concentrate on Orisha if you really wish to seek it. God is not served on a plate.

as i said before, the idol is just a representation. so if the dog pisses on the idol, no harm occcurs. the dog is an innocent animal. he does not understand. the Gods are bound to forive him. but then ofcourse, its our duty to prevent such mishaps from happening. we do not worship the idol itself. if an idol is destroyed, we build a new one. it is just a point to focus our prayers on[/Quote]I wonder why you are not advising the people of your tribe, instead of other tribesman? They say charity begins at home. Is your heart not agreeing with that saying? Now the yorubas say that you can't know the land more than the son of the soil. Orisha and what have you of yoruba paganism, we in Islam have thrown them into the dustbin with the rest of killing twins and other evil deeds.

Go ask Obasanjo who is a church goer, if yorubas who say he is makkan are wrong. Islam under Muhammad was revived in Makka and was completed in Madina. I guess the revival in the city of my ancestors covered me and made me a traditional muslims, though I might have lost the language of Arabia just like Brazilians in Bahia have lost the yoruba language. All muslims have to learn the language of the Quran anyway; both arabs and non arabs.

let me excite the pagan [pastoraio] who parades himself as something other than pagan [ignorance is another word for paganism; Jahal] by saying pagan9ja lost me by his thoughts on his gods and dog, and replaying a "damaged gods". You lost me mr pagan9ja because you are not making any sense. it would have been better if you say that you will prepare a good meal and before eating of it, you throw it in the city dump. then you let it stay there for say 10 minutes after some other people throw dumps on your food. then you pick it up and start to eat it.

as vomiting as that scenario is, it is better than your invitation to me. Advising me to regress is worse than anything in the world that you can do.

Lets just observe three possible scenarios in the case of Tai Solarin and the atheists;

1]. if they are right in their concept of God, they will not be rewarded or punished. All their experiences ended within this world, this life. They have gained nothing more than the people who believed God exists except the many hours they didn't use for religiosity. They probably spent all of that arguing against God and religions, anyhow.

2]. if they are wrong in their concept of God, they will definitely not go unpunished except if God Who is now their Reality decides all by Himself to forgive them.

3]. If they are wrong in their concept of God, and God decides to punish anyone who chose the the wrong path to Him and wrong opinion about Him, then the hard time ahead of late atheists is worse than the worst experiences all mankind can have on earth, if all of the experiences are put together as one single experience.

Is this a chance for a sane person to take? the case of Tai Solarin is determined already. What about you mazaje? You are here now. You have not aged and truly became senile by virtue of your age or brain shot down at some unexpectedly young age.

Take advantage of your youth and straighten out yourself and correct your mistakes against God. Seek sincere repentance and definitely there was no atheist in distress condition, like in the battlefield of wars, WWII saying that there is no atheist in the foxholes.

In all my decades as muslim, some in Nigerian Africa [anyone who knows african will know sex], and many more in American 'the West' [anyone who knows 'the West' will know more sex], it is only on NL that I heard about thighing. And it must have been a new phenomenon ascribed to the poetic outlaws of Iran and Shia.

Is Iran and Shia the seat of Islam? The seat of Islam is Quran, and it is Muhammad [as] who embodies it.

If Muhammad didn't do it, and I know he didn't, his companions did not do it. I know they didn't. And i know the two subsequent generations that followed didn't do it.

Let me say something, in the days when 'gba set' was popular, the people who rarely indulged in it where the muslim youth who associated ith Christians. I never did and all my youth, I was with the christians and I expressed my opinion against 'setting' any girl.

Setting was the hallmark of Christians boys over girls.

As i grew up and i began to know my religion, it was that religion that never allowed me to mingle with cheap women like the ones in the 'job corps', a heaven or produce store of the African students for cheap relationships.

Thighing? What for? What is permissible in sexual act and with who are spelled out in Quran and thats what the Messenger [as] fulfilled [like Jesus fulfilled the Laws and the Prophets instead of Paul abolition of them], and it is what his companions practiced and it is that pattern a man like me indulges in. And it is Islam that has prevented me from misadventures like the rest of my non muslim friends who will go to strip clubs and 'thigh' the dancers.

Seyibrown, you didn't read my much earlier post on the topic. What is allowed in Islam is freedom enough and restrict muslim males from going outside of the boundary. this does not mean that many do not go outside of it. these people are deviating from the instruction just like Paul deviated from what Jesus said in the NT; God is One. Lord God is my Lord God as He is your Lord God. I am sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel to return them to the Laws and Prophets which I am fulfilling right in their mist [not canceling everything and say only to Love you and the neighbors with actioning it out or a later person says my do called death if anyone believes in it will be receiving salvation from me against your punishment]. I finished my assignment oh my God and signifies its completion with this dinner that You provide me and my 12 companions [not dying on the cross and someone claimed i am a ransom for the world sins]. You are the Only One to judge [not me and the 12 disciples].

you should know deviance? after all you follow Paul is truncating the message of Jesus. My wife is younger to me. but she is a full grown woman.