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^^^^^^^^^^ no sir, mr. davidylan.

when christians are fighting and killing themselves, we say it is WW1, or WW2, or invasion of Grenada to remove Maurice Bishop, or capturing Manuel Noriega, or defending Faulkan Island.

are you getting my drift?

how about south africans afrikaans against blacks; it is skin problem even as they used the Bible?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ he has been unbanned. mashaAllah. but he is unappreciative to his Creator. so he formed partners with Him; Jesus, Ghost.

for catholics; Mary as well.

@Frosbel; « #3 on: Yesterday at 10:14:03 PM »
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Without the blood of JESUS you will perish in your sins.[/Quote]i am ready to perish. Allah will protect me as He protected Jesus. Unless you are saying that Yahweh was God that Moses spoke to you started calling Him Jehovah did not protect Jesus who called Him 'Ellah'? leave me to Allah Who does not need any blood to care for me.



[Quote]" For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life" - Leviticus 17:11

"In fact, according to the law of Moses, nearly everything was purified with blood. For without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness." - Hebrews 9:22

"for this is my blood, which confirms the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out as a sacrifice to forgive the sins of many." - Matthew 26:28

"For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past " - Romans 3:25[/Quote]you posted 4 verses, and only 1 from them is from the Gospel. we know the gospel was about 'the life of Jesus', the christians say, whereas Jesus was sent with 'a gospel of Jesus' to deliver. these two classes of gospels are absolutely not the same, so we can't accept a man who is not a drinker of alcohol is now drinking wine and erroneously called it 'his blood', even before he shed any, though he said at the dinner table that 'i have finished what You sent me to do'. where is crucifixion that came later in this 'i have finished what You sent me to do'?

from the lips of Jesus [please bear in mind that he was talking to only jews here and there was not a single christian among them because the word was later coined in antioch]; "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17) He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt 27:46)

" No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18) "Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37) He also said in John 4:24, "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

"but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt 24:36)

(John 5:19) Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: As I hear I judge, and my judgment is just because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me."



[Quote]Unfortunately Allah is LAZY and cannot save, so he asks you to shed your own blood and the blood of others to be saved.

What a wicked deity.[/Quote]from the above, you will realize that either the speaker[s] of your verses was not telling the truth, or the speaker i quoted from the pages of the bible was not. some group in the bibles was not telling the truth. notice how Yahweh is every Jew's father since no one was a christian as Jesus was speaking.

what is baffling though is that even as you call God your father and i call myself His slave, if you are i were to commit the same sin; you will use Jesus to beg Him, while i will approach Him without anyone. if He accepts any repentance it will be mine who is conscious of His approachability.

if He punishes, His punishment on you will not be less severe than mine. what value is your calling yourself His son then, you see Him allowing Jesus to be hung if you say he was hung?

^^^^^^^^^^ there is no christian nation. you should know that. okay. how many muslims live in vatican city whose first president was peter the rock, who was called 'satan' by Jesus?

show me a nation that is formed with a cross?

natives lived in places you may try to pass up here before Jesus was born.


christianity didn't start on him, but borrowed his name.

tell me what i don't know.

@Micuilles; « #5 on: Yesterday at 03:26:24 PM »
[Quote]@ sweetnecta

Ok Holy mallam. You can go ahead & eat while you observe your wet, dry or moist fasting. I can now see why your kind are mostly suicide bombers all over the world. Don't worry, the more "Infidels" you & your causins (Boko Haram and the likes), blast into pieces, the more sweetnectas you recieve when you arrive in Hell.[/Quote]Unless 1 Timothy 5 verse 8 is in the Quran, please what it says [proving to you that Islam has no use for it, but it was from the chrstians, like lies, if you say them enough they will become truth in the minds of who do not know];

King James Bible
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

American King James Version
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

origin of the word; infidel [source from wikipedia]; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel - Cached
The origins of the word Infidel date to the late 15th century, deriving from the French "infidèle" or Latin "infidelis", from in- 'not' + fidelis 'faithful' ,



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Re: When Is Fasting Really Fasting?
« #6 on: Yesterday at 09:45:48 PM »

=)) A girl fell down from 80th floor.A boy caught her on 65th floor n asked her: "Will you hug me?"She replied:"No"The boy dropped her.She was caught on 30th floor by another boy.He asked her:"Will you kiss me?"She replied,"No not at all"He dropped her too.She prayed for a last chance when a boy caught her on 5th floor. She immediately said,"I will hug you and kiss u"The boy dropped her saying,"Astaghfirullah!I'm fasting[/Quote]members of the jury, it is unfortunate that each boy dropped her. either for her nobility or for her waywardness. my question is this; which of the boys is closer to Jesus in quality of the heart and of tongue?

@Rezzy: « #10 on: Yesterday at 11:03:35 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 09:43:13 PM
@rezzy; « #4 on: Today at 03:36:47 PM »what language and whats the meaning of the bold?

That's Hausa but dont think i can remember the meaning. Help me ask your fellow brethren from the North.[/Quote]i will help you when i hear that you are now wearing hijab. any help as soon as you then for the sake of Allah.

if you are not sure the words you wrote addressed the topic, then why type it? this is a proof that you may discover that Islam that what you see and or hear using 'the not trying enough to stay away from evil' muslims as your barometer.

taste islam for yourself. i am certain that you will like it. guaranteed.

^^^^^^^^; classic. i will not laugh. I already have my Ramadhan gift earlier. This is one here is a top up.

I wonder if the blood can't unfreeze it all this while?

This is a true testament to/of "what is so special about the blood of Jesus", considering the power it has, not.

For Jesus himself said in the Bible [please check it out for affirmation], "of my own power, i can do nothing . . ."

@rezzy; « #4 on: Today at 03:36:47 PM »
[Quote]I think the Middle East is overpopulated, so they are very free to kill themselves. Uba kun[/Quote]what language and whats the meaning of the bold?


[Quote]Revenge is a dish that tastes best when it is cold[/Quote]This is classic for a person so mild mannered and does not love evil deeds.


@mabell « #5 on: Today at 06:46:27 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: winiamanda on Today at 03:30:50 PM
moslems kill people like everytime but why?
Jesus loves both the victims and the killers anyway![/Quote]The lover who kills, divides family against itself, brought sword instead of peace, etc. classical lover. this i do not want for me because you will not know when the love he gives is to end your life.

[Quote]« #107 on: Today at 06:45:46 PM » {JeSoul; has Ochocinco arrived with all the heat in bean town?}.

@ JeSoul, body dey inside cloth my sister. How una dey?

a "disciple" to me is a keen student and follower of a mentor.[/Quote]The bold is the crust of the matter; subject [individual], opinion without the support from the authority, in this case Jesus since it is christianity that is being discussed.



[Quote]The disciples were labeled "christians"[/Quote]Jesus their master who was the prophet they were following did not call them christians. God didn't tell Jesus to call his followers "Christians". The name Christian and the religion Christianity neither is therefore with divine authority; Not from God and not from His elected prophet who led the disciples.



[Quote] for one purpose only - they acted, spoke and exhibited the attributes of ONE - their Master Jesus.[/Quote]And one of them, not just a mere follower, but the "rock" was called Satan. What an attribute of the ONE that was exhibited there.Imagine when they spoke ignorantly and he had to call them names; an adulterous nation seeking sign, you can not bear the truth now and the whole truth will have to be told by the Another comforter. The comforter who will correct you. I am going to stop here if anyone can tell me what was wrong that Jesus said that needed to be correct, or what was wrongly adopted after Jesus had left that the Another Comforter needed to correct the disciples on or who were to be corrected?



[Quote]Christ himself considered them "disciples" because they were willing to be SOLD OUT for Him.[/Quote]Those who followed Noah were disciples just as well. I am sure those who followed Moses were his disciples. Do you disagree and please tell us why?



[Quote]It wasnt just a one-off listening to messages here and there for a few weeks thing, these men left family and fortune to follow a man who spoke words they barely understood,[/Quote]Moses led for almost 40 years and he had many revolts against him. The most popular was the making of "graven image'; the golden calf as god.



[Quote]hated by all in all faith, sincerity and purpose because they knew He had the truth.[/Quote]Jesus was restricted to his communities; the nations of the children of Israel. How many religions they had then, except what they practiced among themselves? Those who strictly followed Moses, like Zacharias and his son, John, Jesus did not disagree with them. he was in fact following the same footsteps that were already on. I am sure if John was a believer who needed to be converted, even if it was possible that he officiated the 'coming of age' ceremony of Jesus, according to the custom, he would have asked him to follow him in his ministry. That was not the case, unless Jesus was lukewarm in his effort, he would not have allowed a person to preach a less than perfect way to God.

I sincerely don't want to create any controversy, the reason I did not introduce the name of Rasullah and the religion of Islam. If you take what seem to be authentic and since about Jesus that mr. davidylan said, and you insert Muhammad [as], his followers [ra], you will not have less authenticity.

The Pagan in Makka, then the Jews, Christians and Pagans in Madina all hated Muhammad [as]. These were mixtures of Arabs and non Arabs, a group that is more potent because of its diversity than the single texture Jews in the time of Jesus. The followers of Muhammad had to leave Makka, without anything to start a life and a community of believers in a foreign land; Madina. Jesus and his group were not ran out by their people. he lived his entire prophetic life where he was known. Its like Cheers; all of them know you.

there were no wealthy follower of Jesus that became destitute and and started over again by the grace of God. Abu Bakr and others including Uthman bin Affan lived this wealth and abject poverty lives. So did Muhammad [as], himself. so was his wife; Khadijah [ra]. So was Umar bin Khattab [ra].


There is ONLY One "ONE". He is God. Not Jesus or Holy Spirit or Melchizedek or anyone. Ever.

@Omo_to_dun: is gulders not beer?

If i am wrong, please correct me and I am sincerely sorry for mislabeling you.

Over eating in or out of the month of Ramadhan is not recommended, though.

@omo_to_dun; eating too much meat is bad, even for you who is not a muslim. all that read meat. take good care of your health. alcohol will make you age before you should be aging.

Just saying, since you seem to be proud of drinking gulders.

@Itistrue; the muslim colluding with moderator is news to me. where was i? i am a muslim and no one invited me? i need to sue the moderator.


what truth is frosbel speaking; 3 gods as 1, a dead god, a dying god, a blaming god, a crying out god, a begging god, a praying god, a powerless god, a running from enemy god, a baby god, etc? where is the truth exactly, itistrue?

here is a truth for you, so unravel it; between paul and jesus who are following his commandments?


whosoever ban frosbel should unban him, because i missed his giving me opportunity to sock it to him. about his ways that is.

@Obinna120; you have no foot or you are closet gay guy.

no real man on earth will say women his foot as if he doesn't need them?

its women that make world turn for men. have you neverheard 'without women what will men do'

darn juvenile. unfortunately, homosexuals are now in nigeria.

@Image123; « #28 on: Yesterday at 03:16:19 PM »
[Quote]^
They are two expressions of the same thing, the Word. If you've seen Jesus, you've seen the Word of God and vice versa.
Or if you'd understand it this way, it's the same thing in different formats. Jesus is the Living format, the Word is the letter format.[/Quote]The letter format is put together by many people spanning many 1,000s of years before others were inspired to write it in their own way[s] through the spirit, which was spirit from God as another comforter that came as fire on the day of penticost. yet if it were to follow the prophetic statement of Jesus, would he not just stop after the day of penticost when it fulfilled the prophesy, or appeared as a speaking with audible voice what he heard from God?

is Jesus put together by many taking over 1,000s of years to assemble?

@Igbo boy: « #43 on: Today at 01:16:04 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:56:05 AM
@Igbogolo: « #26 on: Yesterday at 10:19:25 PM »Ol boy call us all names {i will ask my igbo associates what Ofeemmanu means}. But don't call us dirty. You know you can't do "soowambe" with dirty body?

Igbo women love yoruba men. Igbo men can't get enough of our women. How are we dirty now?

You are funny though with your rant. And you write Yoruba so well. Ni bo lo ti koo yoruba?

nah son u got it in reverse,

yoruba men love igbo women (i guess they dont want their child to be black like NURTW chairman in oyo, i think his name is tokyo)
Yoruba men cant get enough of our women (pedro's son, former deputy governor of lagos, his son don kolobi one of our sisters for wifey)

nothing spoil sha,[/Quote]I am wondering how my two nieces from my younger sisters have igbo last name and have igbo father? And my sister is red. so are almost all my family members. What happen? Who gave my nieces igbo name? Why is the igbo man calling them his daughters?

igbo boy, you are so ignorant that words are not enough to describe you.

@Micuilles: Re: When Is Fasting Really Fasting?
« #2 on: Today at 09:02:37 AM »
@ sweetnecta

Madam,[quote][/Quote]Its Mr.



[Quote] stop decieving yourself. God did not tell you anything.[/Quote]You have the credentials to prove this?



[Quote] Morning starts from 12am (After midnight) and ends 12pm (past morning) any where in the world. Normally, because of the nature of my job, I take my breakfast (gotten from Break-Fast) at 5;30am evryday because I resume work at 6am.[/Quote]Okay. Maybe i find the usefulness of this info to the topic below. Otherwise is a waste of time. Useless information.



[Quote]If after you've eaten dinner between 6pm & 9.pm [/b]a day before, and take your breakfast before [b]6.am, you don't say you're fasting because you already took your Break-fast in the morning i.e. between 12am & 12pm (noon) it is normal. [/Quote]Who gave you this information as standard worldwide? This is similar to a man that a specific food group is meant for breakfast as if you can't pancake for dinner; ask the Chairman of IHOP, where he made his millions if not billions. Mr. your idea is for the ignorant. The One Who sets standard and His "setting" is correct is God, alone and no one else. While God made situation very restrictive for the Children of israel because of their own stiff-neck, Allah made ease for the muslims because we are a nation that says "we hear and we obey, forgive us our sins, oh God". Let me give you an example; The Jews we at the end forbidden to do any work on sabbath. Muslims can do work before and after Friday prayer. See the difference? Why? Just to show you obedience and disobedience: The Jews [then known as children of israel] were liberated from the yoke of Pharaoh, pharaoh was drowned. No sooner that they had a taste of freedom, they raised for themselves dissatisfaction of what they were eating free of charge without working for it; manna and quail; they wanted more, even ful-mudamas [beans] from Egypt. They topped their evilness up by creating a god in shape of cow from stolen gold from egyptians. Jesus and his disciples were from this stock.

Now pick up Quran and read it. You will not find where the muslims say they were tired of the condition that God give them, instead they say Alhamdulillah Shukrillah niamati Rabbi. You can now see why we do not have to suffer fasting like stiff necked people; you who still after seeing the ease of islam that God has bestowed as Mercy on all of us, you still insisting on having 3 gods, trying to deceive me that you have 1 God when i know that there is a big difference between 1 and 3; additional 200% of the original 1 is what 3 has above 1.

what is strange though in your fasting idea is that you do not know that when you sleep at night, you are fasting because you are not eating, drinking, etc. but it is during the dawn and dusk hours that humans, all over the world are active engaged in life and living; by sight, taste, acute smell, conscious torch, etc. in fact all senses are alive and one is blame worthy for any transgression. when you restrict yourself there from eating, drinking, sex, etc but engage in what God commands, this is better than your midday snack and your suffering yourself from not eating for 24 hours that you call dry fast. Who prescribed dry fast for you; Jesus who must follow Moses laws and prophetic office, or yourself?



[Quote]If you want to fast, try not to eat break fast between 12am & 12noon. Don't blame anything on God & stop decieving yourself. Infact, in Africa, if you eat between 12am & 12noon, you can decide not to eat lunch & take dinner after 6pm. It is called 1:0:1.[/Quote]Islam is more than Africa. In europe right now the summer sun does not set until after 8. same with north east of US. if you eat before the sun sets in these two locations, if only by 2 minutes, you lost your fast. i am still wondering if the bible gives ruling for fasting; wet or dry fast? thank you for stepping ignorantly into that trap. i enjoyed your contribution.

^^^^^^^ i don't think a man who serves a god 'killed' has the mouth to talk about people killing themselves.

while i condemn kill of all kind, god that is killed committed suicide. or he is not really God.

@Igbogolo: « #26 on: Yesterday at 10:19:25 PM »
[Quote]YeeeeeOLEbaaaaa people no dey disappiont. see as they sell MKO finish like 419 paper over the internet.

Shame on the useless YeeeeOLEba people. see as them full UK dey throw paper left right and centre and to think i voted for MKO makes me sad.

YeeerrreeeeOLEbaaaaa, dirty people, HABA! HHHAAAAABBBBAAA! Ofeemmanu people, softly softly oooooooooo. Una too like money, thief thief thief

OLE people. kai![/Quote]Ol boy call us all names {i will ask my igbo associates what Ofeemmanu means}. But don't call us dirty. You know you can't do "soowambe" with dirty body?

Igbo women love yoruba men. Igbo men can't get enough of our women. How are we dirty now?

You are funny though with your rant. And you write Yoruba so well. Ni bo lo ti koo yoruba?

@JeSoul; « #97 on: Yesterday at 04:51:13 PM »
[Quote]^you really are blessed at providing comic relief Cheesy Whatchu know about Ochocinco sef? you watch American football?[/Quote]American FB is my "undergoing Therapy". Please don't let the shrink charge you too much; speak in tongue when he hands you the bill; a Nigerian language will do you plenty of good here, or stammer into chinese language. He/she will pay you to get away or the role will be reversed.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 04:39:32 PM
many without religious hence spiritual faith, like Bill Gate, Mouth of the south Ted Turner do good work; i will say noble work. They have no faith at all. They do not believe there is God. is it not therefore that their good work is their faith or at least the reason for faith in the work, to keep going at it because of the end product; result of the work?
Perhaps if you are paying attention and taking down notes you may have noticed pretty much everyone is in agreement 'works' alone by itself is worthless and as pastor said 'unsustainable'. We are discussing something else - works that result from faith from people who have not heard about Jesus. So siddon for corner and pay attenshion jor. Abi body dey scratch you so?[/Quote]The second bold almost hit the mark. The first, missed it target; neither you nor your pastor treated the subject of work, alone or with faith with any sense of belief in that work. Purpose of work is to believe in it, for whatever reason you do; worldly or spiritual. The spiritual reasons are as many as there are of belief system. A christian does good with if it is for his/her spiritual benefit because of Trinity. Jew does the same because of Yahweh. Hindu, etc even Atheist does work for his own reason, his belief is humanity and thats his own spirituality. Those without any spirituality to anchor their work just do it because it makes their hearts glad.

Muslims do work because of One God, seeking reward from Him.



@Joagbaje « #98 on: Yesterday at 10:52:34 PM »
[Quote]^^^^
Those who never heard the gospel will be judged without the gospel according to their conscience which is a witness of God in them[/Quote]Like those who lived and died before Jesus?
What about those who followed the steps of the another comforter who according to Jesus will "hear from God and say what he hears, neither adding or removing from it, will make correction, will remind and will lead to all truth and glorify [speak honorably], Jesus son of Mary"? There is Prophet with a book that you can see in him all of what Jesus said about another. Is this not the best Prophet to follow based on what Jesus said?

@Micuilles: I don't think that the Biblical God was angry at Adam and Eve and sent them out of the "garden of eden", cursing them and then blessing them as "to be fruitful and multiply. . ." or blessing them as such and then cursing them with "your will eat from your the sweat of your brows and your will have child bearing pains. . ."

He must have blessed them separately, without the biblical need to curse them; that would been when they were in the garden to begin the period of the garden.

When they made mistake now, it was another matter; then the Biblical curse and sending out from the garden.


incidentally, it is the same land, same work for Adam.

i was just wondering if sex was not natural for them and it was discovered after being ousted from the garden, based on human emotion, when you are in difficulty and Adam and Eve were in difficulty, sex will be the last thing on their mind. Food; thats not a thing you can avoid for a long time.

They must have been hungry in the new out of the garden harsh environment. finding food would have to be a great task. sex; that can wait until they finally settle down, resolving all their problems; including finding favors with God, again.


The way the Bible present it, the story is not clear. grape, fruit, the bible is not sure. they ate apples, but used grape leaves to cover. why shy from your partner? it is very illogical.


The Quranic story is very believable. God instructed as they entered paradise in heaven, not on earth, to not go near 'that tree'. This is an instruction to see how long they will obey regardless of any condition to suggest otherwise.

There is no need for Adam to be working. They are humans and are equipped with mind to think; accept and or reject, explore or ignore. Their enemy Satan who used to be named Iblis had the ability to make suggestion to them. Iblis/Satan already knew about them being instructed to not come near a tree. it was that tree he will make them come near by thinking about it, and wondering what it is about the tree. he made suggestion to the newly minted beings because of their innocence and or ignorance.

The plan of God was that Husband and Wife must be on earth to populate it with their progeny. From these progeny, you will have evil doers; Cain who killed because he offered poor product from his earning and this offering was rejected. You have sexual criminals who mixed freely when it was ordered against, etc. Adam and Eve never made but that single mistake of coming near the tree.


Their children, however included us indulge in all kind of crimes; think of it, if it is against God Commandment, we do it.

Is there any surprise that Hell is created for those who will not repent? Of course, repentance is part of good faith and good deeds which are rewarded with paradise. I say good faith [single] while good deeds [plural] to show true faith with God is 1 and it is good, while there are many good deeds.

@Micuilles; « #7 on: Today at 03:29:23 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 03:07:11 AM
After all, where will they have children and be tested for either Paradise or hell Fire bound?
@ Sweetnecta,

By the statement above, are you implying that the forbidden fruit Adam & Eve aet is having carnal knowledge of each other i.e. sex?[/Quote]I didnot say that they ate any fruit, but came to the tree that they have been warned not to even come near. eating is not even mentioned in the Quran and definitely fruit as well. Sex was mentioned as something they had already before the event with the tree, but what purpose is husband and wife if sex is totally factor out? Please read your Bible. Adam and Eve were told right off the bat to "be fruitful and multiply." how will they accomplish that except by sex? You must also know that God knows the future before He created Adam. He knew that Adam will need a mate, a partner. He already created the earth and have decided to make the husband and wife lived in it, and there their progeny will live too to be tested, fairly.



[Quote]If yes, I disagree with you. According to the Bible in Gen 4:1 & 25, you'll read that Adam knew his wife first after they had already been sent out of the garden (in Gen 3), and she concieved, and bore Cain then later Abel. The next record was in verse 25 when she concieved & bore Seth.[/Quote]we all know that first sexual encounter between husband and wife does not always result to "pregnancy". And not all pregnancies bring out babies or full term. But thats not I say is the case with Adam and Eve because I did not touch on it at all.
in Genesis 1:28, this is what God is reported to have said; God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Were Adam and Eve already in contact with the "forbidden" in the garden at that time? Even the Bibles say that Adam worked the land in the "garden". Adam also worked the land after they were kicked out. If he worked the land in each of these two places or conditions, if he and Eve had sex outside the garden, why do you think they did not have sex in the garden, when they were truly husband and wife?

If his working the land was not for food in the garden, then their sex could also not have been for children in the garden.

Pastoraio olojoro adaa fa has turned my innocent women 'escorting' ochocinco to almost an adaafa, too. taking her deeper than the bad condition she was all along:

[Quote]Your works is a product of your faith. They are inseparable. So when we hear that faith without works is dead, really that dead faith was never really faith in the first place. Works without faith is unsustainable. Nobody can keep doing an action that they do not believe in.
LOL at the examples. And the summary really is the gist of the matter.[/Quote]work has became the reason for faith in the bold.

many without religious hence spiritual faith, like Bill Gate, Mouth of the south Ted Turner do good work; i will say noble work. They have no faith at all. They do not believe there is God. is it not therefore that their good work is their faith or at least the reason for faith in the work, to keep going at it because of the end product; result of the work?

faith is what you believe will make you stand better before God's Mercy. Perfectly good faith is One and comes from God. That perfectly good faith is what will be the only faith that will make you stand better to receive Mercy from God. Others, they are just gambling.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ You are not starting any trouble. You question is fair based on your knowledge:

Before Jesus, there were people who have fasted. None of them fasted for an extended period except that they were commanded to fast.

Moses, you must be familiar with his fast; He fasted for 40 days. He was commanded to fast 30 days first, then another 10 days because he ate a flavored leaves to mask the smell of fast in his mouth.

It was this 40 days that Jesus fasted in the fashion of Moses. Jesus followed and obeyed Moses in this respect and many more in the laws and the prophets.

Now as to the muslims fast; it is also a command that they fast in the month of Ramadhan. it usually lasts for 29 or 30 days, not more not less. It is only in the tropics, the band between the tropical of Cancer and Capricorn that their dawn is just about 5.30 am and their dusk about 6. 30 pm. In any area outside the tropics, eg towards the north and south poles, their fast is extreme; for example Australia, New Zealand are in Winter right now with short daylight. Their fast may just be as short as 6.30am to 4.30 pm because these are the dawn and dusk period.

In Northern Europe, it is summer and the daylight hour is long so the fast may actually begin at say 2.30 am to about 9.30 pm today. Here in North East of America, our dawn is 4.27 am today and our dusk is 8.10 pm. You are fasting in this period.

Now about fasting; If you fast 20 minutes, the pang of the hunger and weariness of fasting can catch you. Ramadhan is so because it is commanded by God and not the voluntary fast you create for yourself. Ramadhan is like daily salah, and yearly zakat and hajj. each is commanded and has its time, and process.

a fasting woman who sees her period even 1 hour or shorter to the dusk when she should break the fast, must break her fast right away. She is not obligated to fast or pray during the time of her period. if when her period stops is only 2 hours or shorter before dusk, she will enter the fast of that day immediately by stopping to eat, go to the showers and take the end of monthly period bath. she will receive the reward of the fast of that day.

The biggest thing in Islam is after acknowledging God, obedience to Him is the essence of belief.

thanks for your question about Islam in a round about way. There is no doubt that obedience to God is purer than doing the same action because you just want to do it for your own personal reason.

the mondays and thurdays weekly fasts and the 3 days of the full moon, are voluntary fasts for the pleasure of God. Ramadhan and the fast on the day of Hajj [arafat] are commanded.

@Pastoraio; Lo si ibi odu.
Lo boo abi daa ifa.
abi ko lo pofo, abi ogbede.

I tell though, none of them will help you.
Ifa does not have ability to benefit and or hurt.

But stop introducing a sub'text' title; that will be a way out for the christians to get out of this pickle that Joeagbaje got himself and them into.

i am waiting for any single reason that Jesus is to be believed and disbelieve Paul, since neither is on the same part as to many things: Is it really "finished" with Jesus, when Paul set up the real agenda?

Is it really finished with Jesus when Paul gave "laws"neither being the "another comforter" promised by or a known disciple of Jesus?

Is Jesus the end of it all by his Gospel which is missing from the Bible since Paul continues or starts over a new course by his Letters, etc?

I say Paul fits another comforter, if they deny a later human entity with real Proof. Though Paul did not have a single fulfillment of the work of Another Comforter, he is head and shoulders better than "holy spirit" who can't speak to human with audible voice.

@Bro Pee; « #25 on: Today at 06:19:40 AM »
[Quote]'',  How does that work; Jesus in here is not God this time, because God Only spoke and not necessarily the Author who probably asked the scribes to write it down. Write it down they did; in many versions and no two are exactly the same.



The Holy Spirit through the scribes wrote the word. Tell me how did Moses know what happened in the garden of Eden when he wrote Genesis? It only shows it was God. He authored it through the prophets.

IMHO I think those who would want to seperate the Word as Paul's or Jesus'  are only trying to find some justification for certain doctrines they want to hold eg women preachers, dress codes, tongues, baptism of the Holy Ghost etc. To a genuine child of God, we read Paul's letters as the WORD OF GOD[/Quote]You have said it all about what you posted: It is truly your "in my honest or humble opinion" because there is no Biblical truth, you would have presented Verses to back yourself and I am challenging you to quote them now.

[Quote]« #83 on: Today at 06:50:43 AM »

^^^
Faith and works? that's a different thing altogether. The works only come as fruits of the salvation. The works don't lead to salvation.[/Quote]Neither is faith especially when you can do go work with it, but refuse to do any and or [neither] is blind faith; eg God is Trinity and 1 died when God Almighty is always complete, alone and never dies.



[Quote] Many religions already teach morals, if all you have to offer about christ is moral ,then there is no difference .[/Quote]What happened to those believers with Noah, without "Christ", or those believers with Abraham, or Lot, or the others that the christians always say God is only their God; Isaac and Jacob? What happened to Joseph, and his brothers and sisters? What happened with believers with Moses and Aaron, David? Let me stop here. Are these believers without "Christ' going to end up in the same place as the disbelievers who perished in the flood of Noah, or the homosexuals of Lot people, or Pharaoh and his army who perished in the flood of Moses, or Goliath who died by the Power of God through the hand of David? Where is christ in any of these? Christ was there when John was beheaded. He didnt help him. Well. He didn't help himself if he died on the tree.



[Quote]The regeneration on the inside which is the work of the spirit should be your concern. You teach salvation and the holyghost does the conviction. The fruits comes after salavation.[/Quote]This is the idea of Paul. You will not find this from Jesus. This pitiful. @Fosbel; see how Paul changed everything? This is better at between Paul and Jesus, who do you believe?

AND ALLAH is the ALL KNOWING.

Islam never said anything about fruit, or apple.

It simply says "tree". Dont approach that tree [a particular tree as a test]/

They went against that instruction. This was the beginning of their descent to the earth out of Paradise [not on earth

When you read Surah baqarah starting from verse 36 or so talking about the decision to create man all the way to when they angels bowed to Adam in the command of Allah to do so, to the refusal of the only jinn [iblis], in their group of heavenly bodies to do so, to the point where after they have been told to 'approach not that tree', which satan finally suggested they approach, you will know that when they ended on earth, the husband and wife were destined for it, all along.

After all, where will they have children and be tested for either Paradise or hell Fire bound?

I was just just wondering when Seyibrown will pen her Jesus and non Jesus as promised, above?

I am still young. I do not want to go grey haired and eye glasses wearing before she comes up with her show.

Hurry up, already, sis.

@Seyibrown; you promised me you will show me Jesus and what is not who Jesus is, in another thread. you haven't done it. why?


on the thread, right now, show us where Muhammad [as] spoke in favor of pedophilia. or where he practiced it. you live in England. get the profile of Pedophiles from Scotland Yard's sex crime unit, and see if Muhammad [as] is in any of it aspects/descriptions. then see if Jesus of the bibles is in any of it aspects/descriptions.

if you cant see Jesus in it, i guarantee you that you won't find Muhammad [as] in it.

when christian deacons, not necessarily catholics indulge in homosexual liaison, or boyfriend and girlfriend relationship, neither is christian-like because you may not find it of God fearing people in the Bibles. same way when some wacko give fatwa, or other evil deeds. you will not find it as pattern of believers in the Quran, Sunnah/Hadith. believers are people who are God fearing.


you still owe me the Jesus and not the Jesus on the other thread.

^^^^^^^^^^ frosbel is forgetting that 'stone' was anointed in the Bible.

Abraham brought a stone and made it a marking for the house of God. That house and that stone in particularly you have shown up in its casing in Makka.

who is truly following Abraham; muslims or christians who even abandoned his progeniy; some you hate; Ishmael and Muhammad {AS}, some you call male prostitutes and idol worshipers and killers; Moses, David, Solomon the wise and Muhammad {AS}. Other you made sandal carrier; John son of Zacharias, who you said actually dipped Jesus into water to make him a man. i ask you; who is more spiritual; your pastor who baptized you or the little boy full of ignorance who he baptized? and another you made into god without any proof that he was orshipped hen he was on earth; Jesus.

Some of you ignorantly say that some people worshiped him and thats enough. but he worshiped God. did Jesus and those who worshiped God in the bibles only do it sometimes or they are regularly and consistently worshiping God?

i remember a younger sibling kneeling down for me. i even remember my niece calling me dad. i stopped the one who knelt as it is inappropriate and so it was repeated. i am sure my niece knows that i am not her father but an uncle. i am not the husband of her mother who is either my sister or my sister in law. Jesus knew his position the reason he worshiped God without getting tired. His mother knows who she was a wife to; no one.


Quran Chapter 2 is very clear about your hatred:
1:109: Many of the People of the Scripture wish they could turn you back to disbelief after you have believed, out of envy from themselves [even] after the truth has become clear to them. So pardon and overlook until Allah delivers His command. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.

2:110: And establish prayer and give zakah, and whatever good you put forward for yourselves - you will find it with Allah. Indeed, Allah of what you do, is Seeing.

^^^^Paul and Jesus are being discussed.

@Pidzo; « #16 on: Today at 12:38:56 PM »
[Quote]Paul never claimed to be Jesus or his incarnate, why waste our time comparing personalities not on the same level? Similar to comparing a fridge and cooker Grin Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]Thank you for the bold. Though Fridge is a Trademark or company name, the product you may be referring to from them is a refrigerator. Frosbel, your brother disagreed with you with the bold, the reason i expanded on what you said timidly by saying Paul's letters are truly Jesus'. This is absolutely not so and Pidzo has supported my position, if only in this while he shares Trinity and others with you.

I like your great truth begins as blasphemy; This is what Islam is to Christianity and Judaism and other world's religions. This is what the position of Muhammad [as] is to popularly held Christian views of God and then of Jesus son of Mary.



@frosbel (m) « #17 on: Today at 12:44:04 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta
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@Joeagbaje and the hordes of christians crusading against one another, can you handle the fact that paul nailed OT to the cross with Jesus, while jesus said not only that he came to fulfill it, but warned that anyone who abolishes even the littlest of the OT, in christianity [if i can specify it as such] shall be the least in the kingdom of heaven?
Jesus Christ came to fulfill the LAW which can be summed up in 2 lines
1- Love the Lord GOD with all your heart , your might and your soul
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.[/Quote]If we look at the 10 Commandments and nothing else, based on Jesus' first statement that nothing of these 10 Commandments must be abolished even the least of it which he said he came to fulfill. Lets take the dietary law as the least of it, or pick anyone of them as your least when you respond. Jesus didn't eat pork. That was part of the law. How do you work the dietary ruling here to either of the 1 and 2 you wrote above, love is completely difference from obedience. Obedience because you love will comprise all that you must obey, willingly not with any grumbling. If you obey, it does not translate to love and you can obey without love. But you truly love you obey willingly. {I will not even bring the crucifixion of crucifiction to the discussion}.



[Quote]Paul never said the LAW was null and void, he said it was nailed to the cross.
In other words , we are no longer working hard like Muslims to try our fleshly best and efforts  to fulfill the Law , but we are fulfilling the LAW in Christ Jesus who was nailed to the cross for us.

Think about the statement Paul made below :
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." - Romans 8:2
We are now led by the Spirit and fulfill the LAW in Christ Jesus if we obey the leading of the Holy Spirit.
"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God." - Romans 8:14[/Quote]please see the bold, explain the dietary issue that you no longer follow by the misleading instruction of Paul above or somewhere in your Bible. It is obvious that Jesus didn't eat Pork. It is clear that you as a christian can eat pork now based on what Paul said. Is the law of Kosher as observed by Jesus not rendered null and void by Paul if by Paul's statement you can now eat pork? I am using pork because it may be the only thing you know about the children of Israel.



[Quote]Any Christian who disobeys the leading of the Holy Spirit will eventually follow the leading of the devil and be brought back under the condemnation of the LAW.[/Quote]Give me the name of the holy spirit in the same way you will quickly give me the name of Chrst as Jesus. You don't know it, so it does not exist, hence Trinity is dead because you have no 3 Gods, but falsely claims so and even you Two[nity] is dead just as much since Jesus said "Your servant Jesus, who You sent". God is not a "SERVANT of another or any GOD", because beside God there is no God.



[Quote]In summary therefore what this depicts is that none of us can fulfill the requirements of the LAW except through Jesus Christ.
In our human form we are weak and frail , we need a greater power which is the Power of the Holy Spirit to lead us into all righteounsess thus fulfilling the LAW.[/Quote]You are so busted. John the son of Zacharias was sinless. So was his father. Both were in the time of Jesus. Didn't they fulfill the entire laws? If not, please tell us where or which one they failed in. Before Jesus and later Paul's gimmick about him, Job was sinless. I could give yo many more. But one is enough. I don't intent to teach you more than your capability.



[Quote]But let us examine Muhammad's life with these two summarised laws :
1. Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, might and soul.
If Muhammad truly loved GOD he will not murder thousands in the name of this same GOD, because as you can imagine , GOD loves all his creation and not just Muslims.[/Quote]Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon prayed or fought in battles against disbelievers for the sake of God. Millions of people died in their hands. Muhammad [AS] is in good company.



[Quote]If Muhammad truly loved GOD, he would not have been a habitual liar and deceiver which we all know he was
If Muhammad truly loved GOD he would have preached to the LOST to convert out of LOVE and not at the point of the SWORD[/Quote]only you and your group are the people on the bold. I do not know. And no muslim knows. According to the Bible, God is God of Abraham; Abraham didn't say he was the husband of Sarah in the presence of Pharaoh who was after her. God is the God of Jacob. We know Jacob and his mother Rebecca didn't come out as clearly as they should to Isaac against Esau, the reason the birth right was lost. Jacob used leaves to secure the pregnant ewe from his shepherd partners when he ran away after winning what belonged to his older and hard working brothers. You see where I am going with this. Can you tell me any habitual lie and deception from Muhammad [as]?



[Quote]2. Love your neighbor as yourself
In other words treat people the way you will like to be treated.[/Quote]And if you are a sadist, treat them the way you want to be treated? You people forget that the Only Way and Rule belong to God. Even God is unhappy with disbelief, the reason He creates Hell fire, then guidance on mankind to avoid hell fire. The guidance is Mercy. Read the Quran and God does not need to hang anyone before protecting another from hell.



[Quote]If Muhammad loved his neigbour, he will not marry their 9 year old daughter
If Muhammad loved his neighbor he will not steal his son's wife[/Quote]Even if the 9 years old was engaged to a future husband for a long time, many years after it she married the messenger [AS]? How many years should a person remain 9 years old? A wealthy father who divorces a wife because she was a pagan does not go to her behind everyone in the community to get her pregnant. Otherwise, it would have been counted as some of his faults; the shia never used such issue against Abu Bakr [ra]. This by itself shows that there was no new child born by Abu Bakr upon his entry to islam, which was in the first year of revelation. If Islam was 13 years in Makka, Aisha [ra] could not be less than 13 when Migration took place. Definitely, 13 is many years more than 9. Well it took 2 years in Madina to consummate the marriage. She is at least 15 here, with menses. 1400 years ago, a 15 year year old male or female must somehow by many traditions be adults; even adulthood is still 13 years with the Children of Israel. Please when was Aisha [ra] born, with proofs, please?



[Quote]If Muhammad loved his neighbor he will not steal the goods and wealth of others
If Muhammad loved his neighbor he will not curse his enemies[/Quote]Jesus of the Bible by eminent domain took what belonged to his neighbors for example; 1 donkey and or 2 donkeys he rode. Jesus cursed even his friend; Peter he called satan, unless that was not a curse in your book, so you are satan, therefore? Jesus cursed the whole community; some fools, a tribe dogs, a community; leeches, vipers, etc. Imagine what he said to his enemies, before the lame "forgive them because they do not know what they are doing"? Is this possible from the Biblical icon who blamed God for his condition? How about the thief who was suffering the same fate as him? Frosbel, thank God for your ignorance. We were talking about Jesus versus Paul. But you have to bring Muhammad [as] to deflect the heavy blows. it will not work.



[Quote]The list is endless.
So Muhammad was a MORAL FAILURE !!!!![/Quote]look up. I am not shy to list matters. I used your Bibles. If i brought anything from anywhere else, point my foreign material out of the list. Go to Quran and authentic Sunnah and Hadith for your source. Then we will see how sincere you are.



[Quote]
When Paul nails or abrogates the Laws and Prophets, what is Paul [the unknown to Jesus], really to Jesus then?
As described above, he did not[/Quote]take a second look. He did. When Jesus said black. Paul will later say white. Please, the black and white in this case is to show distinction of what the to are; completely different. there is no convergence. Jesus said God is the Judge. Paul and his crowd say Jesus judges all nations, the 12 disciples, no including himself judge the 12 nations of Israel. I have asked; what Role is left for Jehovah?



[Quote]
Another; The Kosher law. Jesus followed it as a good child of Israel {Jacob}. Paul allows you to eat everything.
Here you further confuse yourself.
Jesus Christ came during the times of the LAW , when there was no final sacrifice by our eternal high priest in fulfuillment of the LAW.
Listen to what Jesus Christ said about food.
"It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."- Matthew 15:11
"anything you eat passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer.But the words you speak come from the heart--that's what defiles you.For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all intimate immorality, theft, lying, and slander.These are what defile you. Eating with unwashed hands will never defile you." - Matt 15:17-20[/Quote]is it absolutely true that anything you eat only passes through the stomach and goes out as waste? What happens to the nutrients of what you eat? What good is eating if it only passes through the stomach and goes out as waste? Frosbel, stop eating so that your stomach does not have to receive what will only goes out of your body as 100%, without any single benefit. Or do you going to the waste room? All these britishers are strange; personality and mindset similar to that of the emotionally bruised PASTORAIO [omo boy mo kie dele dele; mio gbagbe e o].

Jesus must have flipflopped if he said all laws and prophets are not to be abolished and he himself turned around and abolished them! What should we make of the the Jesus of the Bibles, even by abolitionist of the law is the least in the kingdom of heaven?



[Quote]
How about circumcision? Jesus was circumcised {imagine the knife and the holder of the knife that cut off the foreskin of your lord?}. Paul said come off it. No circumcision for you. All you africans who are circumcised are so because of african traditions, not because of Christianity. Mine, a muslim was primarily done because of Islam.
You are truly blind for you cannot grasp the spiritual truths of GOD.
Of a truth God said, these things are impossible to decipher by unbelievers.
"At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way." - Luke 10:21[/Quote]This verse is hug wash because it has no bearing to the law of circumcision, unless you are now saying that Jesus was like "childlike" while others were not? If reality is not part of belief, everyone could have came up with his/her own religion. so to be clever is a prerequisite to know God and abandon gods. This is what I am showing you. paul is a god to you in the same sense you say of Jesus as god, too. You claim trinity in your belief, but you have more gods than the 3 gods. When you take the command of a person and God never commanded it, such a person is your god.



[Quote]But let me help you.
All that happened in the old testament in reference to circumcision, foods , holidays etc were physical shadows of the things to come.[/Quote]Not really, because Jesus said for future usage; no abolition of any of them is permissible, else you are the least. To be the least is not complimentary, but in this case a damnation.



[Quote]"For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality." - Colossians 2:17[/Quote]Jesus didn't say this, so you failed in your argument. Anyone could have secretly said he is The president of the United States, except that we know who the sitting President is; Barack Hussaine. Jesus left and everyone is writing whatever they want about him. Thats not nice because it is not true.



[Quote]Whereas in the old testament we had circumscision of the flesh, in the new testament we have circumscion of the heart which means to be born again, to be given a new heart by GOD and the old sinful heart removed.[/Quote]You see where you are different from Jesus? Did Jesus say your heart will be circumcised instead of your foreskin? Is circumcision of your heart which Jesus never mentioned now making you a born again? You are so confused; really busted. @JeSoul; have you led Ochocinco to Boston's Gillette stadium at FOXBORO, yet? Please join the humor line on Frosbel.



[Quote]Islam as is the case with all pagan religions focuses on man's effort to please GOD by outward works, unfortunately it is all in vain and a waste of your time and life.[/Quote]If Jesus didn't have a man effort, he would not have cured the blind of blindness. Man effort, is work; something you do. Even speaking is man effort.



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@rezzy; I am throwing a party for you. I want you to watch how the christians are going to be dancing around the subject of who is it that they believe. belief is not only of mouth, it is by soul and heart too, therefore you actualize it.
You Mock that which you do not understand, for except the ligh of GOD which is Christ himself shines on the darkness in your heart the bible will always be a story book to you.[/Quote]Alhamdulillah al Dana Islam. I am grateful to God that my deen is Islam. God did not reveal the Bibles to anyone. tell me the name of the person who received the Bibles. He must have a name. Please tell me.



[Quote]This is why Muhammad could not comprehend the bible and instead wandered into error , talking and writing about things which were beyond his physical ability to grasp. He truly was blind and is a blind prophet leading a blind people into HELL FIRE.[/Quote]And Jesus promised a future entity that will correct people away from the lies that was held, after he left. They could not be lying while he was there, he would have corrected them. Who corrected the lies after Jesus left or the lies are not there in the first place; wondering why Jesus will say this about the Another Comforter?



[Quote]"so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch." Matt 15:14[/Quote]See why I will not follow you in blind faith?



[Quote]
When it is Paul who takes precedence over Jesus, who is it that Christians believe? This is the question. and you are my transformer that I do not want to hug until you wear hijab. then I will tell your husband to hug you for me.
Paul was an apostle of Christ, just like Peter , John, James, Jude etc etc.[/Quote]What made him an apostle? Did Jesus appointed him? How? When, where and why? It is easy to lie on Jesus; which is what you are doing now because he is not ere to defend himself.



[Quote]These were HOLY SPIRIT MEN speaking and writing the very WORDS OF JESUS as they were inspired.
They were not MEN who wrote a book under the influence of an anonymous angel.[/Quote]Angel Gabriel is anonymous to you? be at least be honest. How did Jesus inspire when he can't even do anything of his own power?



[Quote]The entire bible are the words of GOD and thus of JESUS.
Again I say picking out random verses from the bible wil not help your case because you lack of revealer of the deep truths of GOD.[//Quote]Frosbel is frustrated; God and thus Jesus? who did jesus revealed the entire Bible to; a name of a prophet, please? Though I know you said men were inspired later to write the Bibles of that still unnamed prophet.



@aletheia (m)« #18 on: Today at 12:51:23 PM »
[Quote]Who is Jesus?
The Son of God, the only begotten of the Father, God manifest in flesh! To Whom be all praise and worship forever. Jesus is the Stone against which the Jews and Muslims stumble.[/Quote]Who is Mary the mother of Jesus; if Jesus is the son of God, should Mary be less than the wife of God, otherwise somtinrung?



[Quote]Who is Paul
In his own words:
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God[/Quote]And the [playa] didn't use Jesus' words above. Paul is a servant of the servant of God, because jesus said about God "Jesus, Your servant, who You sent". There is a false statement somewhere. Can you identify it?



[Quote]Ὁ Λόγος πλήρης χάριτος καὶ [/Quote]Reality; they left Aramaic, or Syriac, or Hebrew for Greek. Tell me which part of the Bible that was revealed in Greek?



@Image123 (m)
[Quote]In Christ (who is) the Son of God who died for the redemption of sinners and resurrected after 3days. This is the greatest truth in the universe[/Quote]calculate 3 says and 3 nights from just before sunset Friday to just before Sunrise Sunday? Never mind after 3 days because thats a tall order.



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[b]Don't convulse over nothing my man[/b]. Just sit and be looking since you don't have any idea. All of the Bible, whether Peter, Moses, Isaiah or Paul are all the words of Jesus. Jesus is the word personified.[/Quote]Allah has protected me from such disaster, and please just making empty claims without a single proof will not help you. Jesus obeyed the laws of Moses, for a starter. That kills the long bold. God needs not to obey laws of prophet Moses. God sent Moses on errand[s].



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Re: Between Paul And Jesus, Who Do You Believe
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The Bible is the word of God. Those who wrote were only scribes. The author is Christ.  Jesus Christ was and is the word thats why He never wrote anything when He was here in human form because He was The Word. What Paul wrote is what God was saying, if you believe the Bible to be the word of God. Why names and personal pronouns by the scribes, only requires revelation to understand it. Go beyond the letters. Without the Holy Spirit in you, you can never understand the Word.

We dont explain the Biible by theology, or seminary education. Its by faith. Believe everything that the Word says and there will be absolutely no contradiction whatsover.The Pharisees because of their education missed Him by a million miles when Isaiah 53 stood in front of them.

Believe from the heart. Its by faith.

When you accept the word, there is no Paul, John, Peter, Moses etc. It becomes the Bible the Word of God.

If you do not accept the Bible to be His word, then thats another story. You can get PHD, DDLDs, QQLLLQQQDs and you will be confused even more.[/Quote]The bold; thats a new twist; The word from God. Scribes wrote them. Then Jesus was the author. How does that work; Jesus in here is not God this time, because God Only spoke and not necessarily the Author who probably asked the scribes to write it down. Write it down they did; in many versions and no two are exactly the same.



Gentlemen: Lets go back to the topic; Jesus and Paul; who is to be believed? This is a question for the ages. Not like Toba's Rock of Ages.

arrogance of the ignorance.

too proud to be humble; so he denies and curses.

^^^ this is funny.

Paul is now Jesus. I guess he is the reincarnation of Jesus. Or he housed Jesus. Or. Or. Or.


@Image123; the Or. Or. Or. are your shows; fill in the gaps, man.

Unless it is some kind of weird stuff going on, an entity that hated you will not be your elect over those who were there with you from the beginning.

If strength, faith or family history, etc is the criterion for choosing a successor, or leadership of your followers, the disciples of Jesus were head and shoulders better than Paul.

Paul turned the message of Jesus on its head or upside down, if you will.

Is this what you expect of your successor? Jesus said he was sent by God. Paul said Jesus was God. God is One said Jesus His Messenger to the children of Israel nations. Paul said there are now 3 Gods and Jesus was sent to the whole world.