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@rezzy; « #10 on: Today at 03:26:49 AM »
[Quote]@sweetnecta
who is talking about Jesus Christ here?[/Quote]you know that the incident is similar to what the christian thought happened to Jesus. the people who knew that Jesus merely fainted, collapsed from his ordeal and not dead were not talking. they didn't talk because those who were wanting that he died, hanging him will definitely finish him off. unfortunately, the lie was not to prevent him getting killed for real. it took on a life of its own to the point that smart woman like you swallow it, hang the effigy on your neck while hanging on to that event to 'save' your spiritual life. remember i said it ia lie. even Jesus kinda joke about it with Mary.



[Quote]A man woke up in the morgue and not mosque ok?[/Quote]ok. see how close the spellings are; the only difference is one is without a S.


[Quote]Whether you like it or not Jesus died and rose again on the 3rd day[/Quote]please calculate 3 days and 3 nights for yourself from friday about sunset to the following sunday about dawn. when you can't you will know that what the Bibles say that Jesus said was 'not merely dying', but 'spending 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth'. tell me how long he spent in the cave; 3 days and 3 nights?



[Quote]Just believe and give your life to Jesus and you will be save.[/Quote]i am not blind physically or spiritually because my God is not the Author of Confusion and He has instructed me to apply my mind. i do not give in to worship of any creation. I worship the God Lord that Jesus son of Mary worshiped. Stop SU[ing] me.

@freeindeed; mr. did you see the post immediately before yours, and read the many verses the gentleman, mr. lagosshia posted?

they are from the jesus of the bibles. swords, divisions, animosity, hatred and disunity aresome of the things i deduced from them.

maybe you didn't read Jesus saying norwegians should killed people to stop islam entering it; you will be correct. but in those days, there was no norway. further, there was no christianity. the two; norway and christianity are man made hence the reason you are dishonesty in this your post right before mine you are presently reading.

Jesus was simply saying if the verses came from him [so go check your bibles and blame the writers if you disagree] that the camps of belief and disbelief with not unite but divide.

the norwegian who committed the crime saw muslim as a disbeliever, the way the muslim sees him.

^ if this above came from Jesus, then you have to affirm that Mary is not only the mother of Jesus, but also literally the wife of his 'father'.

we know that Mary is the actual mother of Jesus. This is a fact.

we do not know if God is the actual father of Jesus [i say He is not his father but his Creator; this is a fact] since you also claim that God is your father like every Christians do, also the ethnic children of Israel make the same.

@image123; i know that your father is a nigerian. so is your mother. it will be interesting if you can tell us how moma met up with Jehovah and papa was not there, yet he accepted your pregnancy.

there are many of you people around the world claiming God as your father, saying Jesus is also His son. Yet none of you every stopped to think who has more right to be the son of God if He were to have any among man; Adam without Mother even or Jesus who had Mary to nurse him? Who is the daughter of God except Eve there there were to be any, even any child, another child, even before Jesus who will be one of many? Look in the Bibles, you will find plenty children, even first born[s], etc.

The One Who knows if He has children or not is God. And He says no children, except all are creatures.

Jesus himself killed the verse that you put up by his saying 'my God, my God. . .'. a true son would have said 'my father, my father. . . .'


now its your all day turn to stammer. this is getting good.

@Joeagbaje, nuclearboy [he must be tickled pink that i mentioned him], seyibrown, frosbel, etc; go to this and enjoy;

http://www.8thscroll.com/

The pagan man is ignorant. read what i wrote; moque.

the bold is a classic. i apply it to Jesus. i am thinking. . . .
[Quote]After calling for help and returning to find the man alive, an ambulance was sent to fetch the man who had "been exposed to extreme cold for nearly 24 hours" said Kupelo.

He said the public should not assume that a sick person had died and contact a mortuary, the report said.

"Doctors, emergency workers and the police are the only people who have a right to examine the patients and determine if they are dead or not."[/Quote]which doctor, emergency worker and police examined Jesus?


the below is a very interesting story;
[Quote]glynn 11 hours ago Report Abuse

       In 1972, after a major Road Traffic Accident, I was taken to a local hospital with serious head injuries, where they said they could do nothing for me there. They transferred me to a major hospital and put a nurse in the ambulance with me. On the way there, she said to the driver "he has gone". The driver slowed down, swithched off his emergency siren and picke dup his milk. A was in a "white mist", could not move, but could hear everything that was being said. I was not scared, but kept thinking I was not dead. When being wheeled down to the Mortuary, the nurse aske the doctor to sign my death certificate. A hazy face looked down at me, I could do nothing, and suddenly he said, operating theatre NOW. The last thing I remember is him asking where I wnated him to put my nose. Obviously I survived, but what if it hadn'e been for the Casualty Consultant not recognising I was not dead?[/Quote]i can see how the untrained and non observing person in the chaos of would be executioners failed with Jesus whom God promised to protect and make him victorious over his enemies wishing him an accursed death.


the reality of ignorance;
[Quote]John of Leeds 10 hours ago Report Abuse

   In English history when space was required old coffins used to be exhumed to leave space
   for reburial, bones were sent to a bone-house, 1 in 25 coffins had scratch marks under the
   coffin lid. as a consequence the "dead" had string tied to their wrist, the string was connected
   to a bell above ground, if rung it was alerted as a "dead ringer" hence "saved by the bell"
   At night thereafter graveyards were attended "the graveyard shift"[/Quote]how many lives have been lost prematurely? how many non dead that have been declared dead? what about Jesus? And Allah says 'and Jesus was not crucified and was not killed.  it was made to look so. for those who say otherwise have arrived at their conclusion only by conjecture, not having a definite proof for assuredly Jesus son of Mary, a prophet of God was not killed and was not crucified. rather he was saved, protected and raised to his Lord by His Power". this is the meat of it.

moque i meant to write.

@Joeagbaje and rezzy. if the pagan man wants, throw yourself in the mix; « #2 on: Today at 08:38:28 PM »
[Quote]So is this a miracle or he wasn't dead in the first place
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Re: Dead Man Wake Up In The Moque
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he wasn't dead.
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Re: Dead Man Wake Up In The Moque
« #4 on: Today at 09:15:23 PM »

The man did not die, [b]he only fell unconcoiu[/b]s. Thank God all the same[/Quote]please apply the same statement, question, etc to Jesus on and off the tree. Alhamdulillah that the incident is in the mosque.

@Joeagbaje; « #1 on: Today at 08:33:55 PM »
[Quote]It's a big mistake , except I'm not getting him right. You cant teach jesus priciples or lifestyle without the jesus life within. Christisnity is not morality. I think you should watch the TBN movie " TIME CHANGER"[/Quote]the issue[s] with christianity are many. for the moment let us focus on Jesus since it is his life within it that you are putting forward.

who is more important in christendom between Jesus or 'apostle' Paul? who is more quoted, who formulated the christian dogma, tenet, morality? who mr fung [sorry Mr. Joeagbaje]? who gave the name Christian, christianity? who mr joeagbaje? i finally stopped remembering the oj case and mr. fung.

you joeagbaje can't impose your idea on Jesus and say that people should not remind you that he has not been here for 2,000 years to reject it and that is the advantage you are using. it is not a saving grace, but a thing punishable starting from the time of the appearance of the angel of death.

@Image123; pick your part of the bible and let talk about it.

this may take you to a place important for your ultimate destination.

@Labidox; « #35 on: Today at 01:33:35 PM »
[Quote]Jesus was not a muslim by his deeds and and teachings.He taught about God with a lot of references to scriptures that were written before him.[/Quote]these scripture contains matters of creation, about Adam and Eve [their mistake and did it talk about their absolute forgiveness?], about many including Noah and the flood that wiped off disbelievers [what did they disbelief?], the reconstitution of man from what came from Noah, Abraham. i will love to stop here until i need to use more future information from the scripture; OT i guess you are saying here? is any of these men a jew, either by ethnicity or religion? this is where islam enters because it is the religion before judaism. these men practiced islam not judaism or christianity. if you have evidence that it is judaism or christianity, please present it or if you wanna argue that it is not islam, name that religion in the same way of 'name that tune'.



[Quote]He nevever fought in a war[/Quote]Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon the wise were warriors like Muhammad [as]. Moses fought wars from exodus onward till his death; almost 40 years. he fought against disbelief. Muhammad fought for 8 years at most against disbelief.



[Quote]nor did dwell so much on the issues about women unlike the singular islamic prophet that "allah gave the strength of 30 men to sleep with women".[/Quote]Solomon the wise had 700 wives and that was not enough so he had 300 concubines! he sleeps with then i can imagine several times a year, while he gave the best judgment that Jesus's judgment will definitely be inferior to, considering that Jesus was unjust to a fig tree [check your bible]. it was in this in-satiated sexual appetite that led Solomon in his wisdom to get himself 300 concubines with the wives in his palace. How is Muhammad [as] doing with sex now, considering that both the Psalm of the adulterous and murderous David and his son Solomon [songs of Solomon] who is openly gluttony about sex and women you use over the Gospel to protect yourselves? I am ceriain that Muhammad [as] is a moderate man in this case. lets talk about Jesus of the bibles. consider him against his contemporary John son of Zacharias. John did not even have a female companion and he never complained about anything. he accepted his condition in each situation, unlike the hungry and angry complainant 'why has Thou forsaken me?'.



[Quote]He came from the first set of people on record to have faith in one GOD,the Jews[/Quote]this is not true. before the Jews [now cumulative children of Jacob, but in reality the just a mere nation among the 12 with the nations of Israel and Judah. note that it was after Judea as a nation that we read the word jew and not before, even in the time of Solomon the wise], there were believers; Adam and Eve and Abel and other children apart from Cain the killer. the believers believed in One God and nothing else because idolatry came after many generations of the flood of Noah. all sins before then, none of it was about idolatry but not following laws; eg sexual law, etc. Abraham was not a jew and his first child was a male and he was not the father of the jews. unless you are saying that Abraham and his sons are jews or that his first son was a disbeliever, you are wrong in your above statement if you can't prove me wrong. the first child male always have precedence over the younger child in any male dominated society and we did not read where Ishmael sold his birthright like the claim of the bible that his nephew; Esau did. Ishmael could not have worshiped a different God from what his father worshiped. he could not have invented another God but the God of his father for his progeny. like everything, every society a time came that disbelief entered the bloodline of Ishmael with idols in Kaaba. someone introduced it, then it mushroomed, just like the idolatry of the children of Israel by the golden calf [i think you forget that?]. hey, did you remember that the religion of Moses is different from your christian religion and idolatry sometimes does not mean there is no idol, even you hang a cross with a man hanging on your neck [thats idolatry and i hope you know that, right?].



[Quote]not people who their god  shared accomodation with 360 other gods in kaaba. He never preached hatred but love all through till death. He is the messiah the jew are still expecting. He was christened the jewish way, he grew up in a jewish home and land.HE WAS A JUDAIST.[/Quote]the fact that God did not destroy Makka with all those many idols is a mercy on Muhammad [as], because asingle golden calf was enough to make life difficult for the children of Israel just saved from Egypt. Yahweh was swift in his retribution. there was no prophet that Yahweh did not punish hard the disbelievers in his community, except the Makkans under Muhammad [as]. Allah is Merciful. jesus of the bibles called people dogs, vipers, adulterous nations, killed a tree [probably young tree or other condition], drowned pigs that you love to eat so much, brought wars, division, sword and no peace he declared, ask that people be brought before him for slaughter, called people fools and called peter his rock which he will build his 'church' satan. if any of these is love, whats hatred? stop saying he died because dead man is not hiding from his enemies. you only die once. dead stays dead. coma, collapse, faint; now thats another matter.



@rezzy; rezzy says jesus is a christian. many christian will disagree with him. if not bold enough to his face, definitely in their hearts. how is Jesus son of Mary a christian? please explain who called him a christian and name the first person the word christian was used for. the root of islam is long before Jesus who is only a twig on the living tree, while like me are new leaves.

^ Alhamdulillah. if i were in nigeria i will be in the company of the influential.

but if you push the right button and you live in nigeria, i may just have you committed to aro in egbaland or yaba left as the people say of the lagos hospital that may be your liking.

it may just be what your doctor orders, just to show you its the blessing of Allah to calm your nerves.

^ you continue to deceive yourselves; God is not the father of any of you people, but your Creator, unless your mothers are His wives.

i am certain that you will not affirm it in clear conscience. only a bastard therefore claim another father. my father is my father. my father's father is my grandfather. it is impossible that my grandfather, my father and i have the same father, who we have equal access to, in the same way.

if this is impossible with mere mortals, how do mortals say they have this impossible relationship with The Immortal, Uniquely One God? is being His creature a thing of shame or position of humility of acceptance of the reality? when did Jesus become your perfect example instead of Paul who you quote day and night?

Jesus of the bibles killed being a perfect example when he cried out in complaint 'my God, my God, my has Thou forsaken me?'. my guy that is not the statement of the willing; the little son of Abraham whose father surprised him with a demand to be slaughtered had more 'submission of will'. so was John the son of Zacharias who did not complain as he was about to be beheaded. in the scale of submitting self in will to God, these two are head and shoulders higher than the complainant if he complained. i say he was not there to die as God supported him with holy spirit; angel Gabriel, and he had protection and lifted to heavens.

no prophet ever said a thing that God will not accept. he would not be allowed to utter it. look at Joseph; his dream came true. how can Jesus be an example if you said God refused his many prayers?

@Seyibrown; « #32 on: Yesterday at 11:50:13 PM »
[Quote]Jesus Christ WAS NOT , IS NOT and WILL NEVER be a muslim! He was born a Jew and he is the very foundation of CHRISTianity? He was born in the 'old' to bring a bout the 'new' , and Islam was never part of the 'old' or the 'new'! What has Islam got to do with both? Islam started with Mohammed who didn't come for decades after Jesus died and resurrected. How could Jesus then have been a muslim? Jesus' teachings ARE NOT THE SAME as that of Islam? He had nothing to do with Islam! Let Islam stand on it's own legs![/Quote]your argument above has no leg to stand on and this is why;

your shout about Jesus not being a muslim is merely your own. his Islam are as follows; Islam is a religion from God Who created man and gave him a pattern, a way of life [islam] to dialogue with Him. Adam was in Islam and when he and his wife Hawa erred, they asked for forgiveness as in Tauba [repentance]. God says they were forgiven, which is different from what the christian bibles say happened because they were condemned and the condemnation spread even after Jesus was lifted to heaven, nothing of the condemnation changed. the religion of Adam was the pattern that differentiated Abel from his brother Cain who killed him. Cain became disbeliever by that act.

we know that no new religion was practiced by Enoch, Noah, and Abraham [as to each] but the religion practiced by Adam [as]. we saw from the bibles that Abraham prostrated his face to the ground, not bouncing his head towards a wall with prayer requests like the jews or kneeling and clapping his hands together with eyes closed and music banging like the christians. who does the humbling but not humiliating prostration but muslim, alone?

Jesus was a foundation of christianity, not, but paul was. borrowing a name as a label does not mean you are truly a bearer of the name. if Jesus was here today, the christians and the people of antioch would be sued to soiling his good name. he wants his name back, for sure. and the old and the new lacks credibility because humans have the same absolute moral blue print that must be followed otherwise we are deviants in the degree each one of us deviate from this. God did not change the pattern, the way to seek His Mercy. changing would have been unfair to a group and justice in fairness across the board to everyone would have been wiped off. God Almighty in His Mercy gives a level playing field to everyone; an evil person whose soul is destined to hell, when he dies, even though he has began to receive punishment his body will not be hot as if on fire. God does not allow a dying person to divulge what type of experience he is going through because some may be swayed by it without them independently choosing their own destination[s], either hell or paradise.

Islam is before what you call old [judaism, i guess based on your speech, thinking that the way to God must rest on the children of israel. i have news for you; Moses did not pray at the wailing wall, hence not a jew by religion] and continue after the new [christianity which Jesus was not part of. and if you are not part of something how can you be the foundation? monkey is not part of the human race, how is it the foundation if you are a creationist? is oduduwa not the 'foundation of the yourubas and a member of that group?'] to the time it was perfectly completed under the Messenger Prophet Muhammad [as] was not the founder or starter. he had no authority to find or start a religion, but follow what God commanded. Muhammad was not a starter of a group, but a reviver of what had been abandoned after the last reviver and each reviver and including the man given the responsibility to initiate it on himself and his family and make it the way among his progeny [as to each messenger and prophet] before him. read the Quran; Allah says all the messenger and prophets are muslims. He further says in Surah Qamar or around there that no prophet that is given book of guidance and wisdon [jesus son of mary [as] was given both] could say that people should worship him, but rather worship God Who is Absolutely Unique in Oneness and do not associate anyone with Him.

so your association of Jesus and Ghost with God is completely against what Jesus was given and preached. you are in the make up department while Jesus is not there with you. your stubbornness is consequential. a dead man does not resurrect until when all are raise up for judgment. a man who collapsed is not dead just because he collapsed. a man who is hologram-med does not mean he is there. if men can observe and or create these sensations upon another men, do we expect God not have been able to do each? we are not talking about a regretting God now. we are talking about the Uniquely Perfect One God Almighty The Creator; Allah The Holder of all Honors.

Islam stands firmly without wavering, though muslims may not stand firmly but wavering.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the only truth in what is said above is the surrender of Jesus to God his Sender, Maker, Nourisher, Cherisher, etc Lord.

Jesus had no choice in the matter if he was to be an obedient slave servant messenger prophet [as] to the children of Israel.

And for the questioner of what is absolute morality, please wat this video of what is sharia for your answer by sheikh Moustafa Zayed;

http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=detail&id=2042

@yommyuk; « #10 on: Today at 09:08:19 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 08:30:55 PM
^and school of thought could be wrong. it is that same ideology that says there is no God.
if there is no God, why any moral at all? will man not be his own master and therefore answers to no one, including other men.

but we even see man being forced by men to answer to all.

all these college kids [university students] think that the world revolves around them or by their individual command it revolves. you will soon learn that you are insignificant; when reality hits you like a pizza pie in the face.

In the bolded part of the above, u make sense and I agree with you in principle. But the comments that followed is uncivil and very common among muslims. That is where christianity differs.[/Quote]they are not college kids? i am a father to post college kids. older friends in their 70s do call me 'hey kido'. what is uncivilized or uncivil about it? they will see wisdom in my statement to prepare them from expectations outside papa and mama's mansion and how harsh is the real world. please yommyuk, lets knowledge sink in. if i was warned earlier without being sheltered so much, i could have not made mistakes that i made earlier.



[Quote]This is what Our bible tells us

2 Timothy 2:23-26
Again I say don't get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights. A servant of the Lord must not quarrel, but be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. GENTLY instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people's heart, and they will learn the truth. Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil's trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.[/Quote]when you quote from bibles verses that are obviously not from jesus, i often want to laugh at you in your face. how is it that you can't find anything from Jesus to support any argument you are making here on the thread of morality created by bunch of atheists? is just less moral than the guy who penned timothy? i believe his man was paul and he was pretty immoral. if you have to use him to buttress your argument while you shamelessly ignored jesus, what do you real think about jesus then? anyway, i do not want to beat the horse to a more dead when it is already dead. you failed to use any of the messengers of God including Moses who Yahweh spoke to directly.

as to timothy 2;23-36, have you ever seen a true christian practicing this? a person, a nation. please name it. now let me go to the lying paul himself and how he 'gently instructed peter the rock'; either Jesus was a bad leader that his 'rock' was accused of hypocrisy by a man he never knew, but claimed for acceptance he saw jesus! or jesus truly had a 'rock' by the man called peter and paul was the darn hypocrite? or what is it, yomi?

Paul rebuked Peter for his hypocrisy in Galatians 2

(Galatians 1:6-9)



[Quote]What does the Koran teach or say about trying to preach the truth to an unbeliever. Is it, show them the white and red flag or what?

Sorry guys, I am not derailing your thread. I just got some time for this dude today. or do u want me to open a new thread?

Come on bro, bring out your koran and let me bring out the WORD OF GOD Cool[/Quote]that title is your own wish. and oh, the other Book is called Quran! The Quran says many things to many people, each being condition appropriate. in a verse, it says that Muhammad [as] should struggle with the with this Quran. in another it says that one should preach about his Lord with sense and wisdom and say words that are beneficial to listeners. this men here are not listening. neither are you listening. both of you are opposite sides of the same disbelieving coin!

i think you forgot that Yahweh never forgave 'the angels that revolted', satan, Adam and Eve, the children of Adam and Eve. nations wiped off before Moses, during the time of Moses and after Moses under Joshua, under Saul, David, Solomon to name a few. Yahweh must not be as merciful by your biblical standard compared to the author of the timothy verse you ignorantly quoted. you call this lecture on yourself by not reading your bibles and reflecting upon whatever you read before responding to me.

Yahweh is so bent on punishing that you are working like a slave to have your daily bread. and your wife will have a big pain when she is delivering the load in her womb. Yahweh of the bibles spares no one from punishment; even according to the gimmick of the christians, innocent Jesus had to die on what he had no interest on. did you notice how the bibles record that Jesus begged hard and yelled after on the tree? when you push a muslim with your lies, he or she is permitted to respond to you with facts. the above are facts, that you overlooked without going to what Yahweh did and how man was impacted before the lie you wrote from timothy! is the author of timothy in a better moral stratum than Yahweh, in your own view considering my argument and your argument? maybe you are lying just as timothy verse author is, since it is a known fact that i put forward about Yahweh?



@DamiKhojie (m); « #13 on: Today at 10:03:13 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 08:30:55 PM
^and school of thought could be wrong. it is that same ideology that says there is no God.

By the same token what you believe in could also be wrong but you don't seem to be acknowledging that. I believe morals are man-made because you can easily look back in history and see how all cultures and customs have changed to adapt to the times. For example in the past many Europeans believed it moral to "Civilize" Africans (aka enslave, kill, torture, violation) in the name of God (and of course the other Gs Gold & Glory) but nowadays most would consider that a violation of human rights. Even if you look at many of the most popular religions you can see divisions with in them (Protestant/Catholic, Sunni/Shia,Orthodox/ Conservative) if morals were created by God there would be no need for all these branches within these individual religions as morals would be absolute . Also many of the Holy Books that dictate these morals/rules/sins the Bible especially have been adapted, altered, and interpreted to exploit followers, fit the needs of those in power, and to comply with the norms of the times. Anyway your free to believe what you want to believe I won't criticize your for it as long as it's not harming me or intolerant of my beliefs.[/Quote]the only and the best place to start discussing with you is to take you back, far back before what you call the 'history'. for us who are creationists, we say the first man is Adam who was created. and the first woman was Eve and she was created by the Creator who created Adam, and she was created from a small part from Adam. now that is my human race reference point. i gave you names and details. there are still more i can give you. can you give me anything, like who is the first man and who is the first woman and how did he come about?

you will probably slap things together and at the end, in your heart, because you have a heart, you will know that you are not even honest with yourself. again, there was no atheist in the fox holes during ww2. everyone in various decree believed. to guide you to a better destination, there is absolute morality. you will find it in the absolute Book of Guidance. since you  and i lack complete absolute moral qualities, we have to go to where we will be able to know how far each of us is a deviant. the book will not be the Bible as i have correctly illustrated above to calm yommyuk. you will find that Book to be The Quran.

the Quran is so, because it has nothing that Muhammad [as] himself said. and the Only Speaker is God Almighty the Creator. The Creator should know how best the creatures should function. Is the car manufacturers that tell the car owners the number of horse powers it will generate at its best performance? how about if you put water in the tank instead of hydrocarbon fuel? how about how to make it work for you, instead of getting you into trouble as the driver owner?

if you do not believe that a moral Master, God the Creator sets up the rules of what is moral and what is immoral, then tell me who did, and provides you with heart that is emotional enough to make you attach your first love with your mother, yet she is not a woman you will ever sleep with? my mother is my first love and she has my heart. then after her is my greatest lover, my wife. you have to tell us how your heart instinctively loves some individuals and acts and yet the same heart hates many acts, part you listed above. you think if you went to a place where they kill and scalp the person who is dead you will immediately pick that quality up? consider that this same people dont kill everyone that offend them, but the worst societal offenders they kill and humiliate by scalping him so that it is a deterrence for would be copycat.

^and school of thought could be wrong. it is that same ideology that says there is no God.

if there is no God, why any moral at all? will man not be his own master and therefore answers to no one, including other men.


but we even see man being forced by men to answer to all.


all these college kids [university students] think that the world revolves around them or by their individual command it revolves. you will soon learn that you are insignificant; when reality hits you like a pizza pie in the face.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and i dont know your culture, but as for me an authentic yoruba man, islam taught me leave many things that are immoral that yoruba people have practiced.

for example; many non muslims became the husbands of their late father's much much young wives, who they themselves are older than.

whatever the reasons they do this, islam forbids it. and some have slept with their wives mothers. islam forbids this.


my children cant have relationship with my wife, because the wife is his step mother, even if he is older than her.

you lack morals, this is the reason you are openly ignoring the benefits of religion.

islam teaches the continued relation with family members, and even friends of the family even when the primary connection has passed on.

^^^^^^^^^ by your statement, yes, morality is relative.

a rotten community we see a bad thing as good.

a good community we see the same bad thing as bad.



a rotten community may see a good thing as old fashion that must be abandoned.

a good community will see a good thing as timeless, a thing to be kept.

^^^^^^^^^^^ you should be ashamed to quote from anything other than new testament. you dont believe in jewish books for the jews [i am making fun of this guy because he does not know that jesus was asked to direct only the jews to Moses, again].

you said David was an adulterer and a husband of his lover's killer. yet you can't stop quoting his Psalm. how honest are you of your accusation and or your being sure that Jesus is the only answer?

@vescucci; « #16 on: Today at 04:44:29 AM »

[Quote]^^^ Sorry egbon, I think you need not bring up peoples' relations all the time, you know.[/Quote]i am almost certain that JeSoul took it in stride and she is not angry, because she knows my statement is a very ordinary comment.

her views of it is not the same as yours.

@9japagan;[Quote] i told u to give me proper examples. your examples of two tribes of Aws and Kahzraj is pointless because by ethnicity, they were both Semitic Arabs, so there is just no case of rascism here. they probably fought for camels and for territory. and the advent of islam did not stop the tribal wars. IN FACT, the tribal wars ended only 50 years back, with the founding of proper Arab states. and Arab tribal warfare was its peak from the 1800s to the 1940s, nearly a 1000 years after islam. the tribes such as the Dahm of the Hadhramut, the Rashidis, the Sauds, the Hashidis, the Banu Yam, etc were constantly at war with each other on camel raids, etc.[/Quote]your paganic ignorance is always at all times peak. are you saying that the semitic people are not racist to one another or each other? then how do you explain the jews against palestinians and or arabs in the generic sense of it? you need to be ignored because you seem to be rabid with blindness of thoughts.

and as for arabs tribes fighting one another after islam, is it not obvious that they are deviant muslims after all they were told in the Quran that by Islam they are now one brotherhood? where is it that they are to fight for camels, for lands against each other or one another, when no one is to an aggressor against the other?

the evil of the arabs by fighting each other or one another is the same evil the fulani hausa of nigeria practice; they behave like disbelievers by stealing, killing innocent people in their communities, and when they go to other communities they are too eager to touch the breasts and butts of women who are not their wives, drink alcohols, patronize prostitutes, etc.

you think this is islam?

@Uni-kazzy; salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah, ma brother.

see sister lolafowowe up there.

i am thinking that you need to raise up the age level to say 27 years old and you should be at least 26 yourself.

this way, you catch the pretty woman. but i tell you it is her who will ultimately decide if you are a possible suitor; husband.

a woman has the pool of all marry-able men; single or married will less than 4 wives. while men have only the pool of yet unmarried women.

if i were in 9ja and fall close to her desired age, i will be working hard to as they say 'toast her' for a wife. i love boldly un-abash women.to me she is that. she is properly hijabbed i think.

so brother, hurry up and try to grab her. i pray good for you.

@Bright007: « #26 on: Yesterday at 06:30:58 AM »
[Quote]*if we are to accept dat jesus ŵăš å muslim,den muslims are hypocrites.This is because u don't follow his instruction.Remember he says'I âm ťĥĕ way z,ťĥĕ truth $ ťĥĕ life.no one comes to ťĥĕ father except through me.[/Quote]what if the quote is a lie on Jesus? are muslims still obliged to follow the liar who lied on Jesus? what Jesus said and did if it is relevant we accept. for example he didn't marry. i know if all of us followed Jesus like that, we world would have been over for man since over 1900 years ago,

We follow Jesus who followed Moses who followed Abraham in obedience to and worship of 1 singular God Almighty Creator. there are no sons or daughters, no mother and no equal or partner or co-God to this Awesome Lord God. He stands Uniquely alone in every respect.

@JeSoul; didn't i warn you that you will get zero from ogoamaka? if he ever responded to you, if will be a one fantastic lie upon whatever lies he has penned, already.

see him work his magic on you. the good thing is that your hubby will be there to straighten you back to reality. if only common sense while you still cling to the human god fallacy.

The benefit of Sharia; watch this below. i am not afraid to stand alone if Allah is by my side.

Speaker is Imam Moustafa Zayed.

http://www.thedeenshow.com/


Gold is bad for people. Man cant get rid of the toxins that enter the skin from wearing Gold. woman's monthly helps her get rid of it. and no sex in the period of monthly.

no interest. 2008 in america and indeed in the world is a good example of what evil interest does.

@JeSoul; « #4 on: Today at 08:28:46 PM »
[Quote] Sweetnecta, stop derailing threads now. If you want to discuss trinity open a new thread or else vacate these holy premises asap. That's an order dude Cheesy[/Quote]very cheesy indeed. you know your order is empty order.

you know its hard to order a man around [woman], a married woman should know that. thats a fact.

abeg woman, stop helping this dude spread weak lies when he can't defend the big lies of three gods for One God. what decision, what wisdom is in 1, 2 , 3 to be 1?

i wish i am in morocco. lots of family friends there.

but when you are lying and i challenge you about, you immediately account it to my being angry. you still dey lie oh.

@Yommyuk: is the above your fighting your battle on your knees? if it is, you will lose, each time except if God wanted you to win.

not jesus, but God.

if you want success, you effort it yourself, with hope in and prayer to God.

not all club wife will be jezebbel as you called them. the non club wife may become a worse jezebbel, if you don't meet her demands. efforts, man.

a man wrongly accused will tell his lawyer he didn't do it. insist to take the stand and get cross examined by the prosecutor. he goes to the law library and researches. he gives alibi of time line. that effort is not on the knees. it is standing up.

the student who prays without studying will fail. that is on your knees. when he studies and prays, God will reward him for efforts and make him remember where the answers are. thats not on your knees.

daniel was a prophet. so God protected him. unlike jesus who God did not protect; maybe because from the bibles he failed the test of prophet-hood [i am a muslim. i know God protected him and did not let his enemies overcome him. i am just making yommyuk to see his fault].


if there is no effort with prayer [being on your knees], the result is almost always failure. if there is effort off and on your knees because remembrance of God is not when you are on your knees, alone [always as often you must be conscious of God], the result is rarely a failure.


if an ordinary man if faced by a pride of lions, if he shows fire and lights the brush/bush/grasses, the lions will flee. if he has a gun, he must shoot. thats not fighting on your knees. thats standing up and making effort appropriately, with hope of success from God.

yommyuk cant answer a simple direct question, he resorted to name calling.

shakara man. we know 1 to be 1. how is 3 equals1, man?