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@Thehomer; [Quote]Here you're simply trying to bury your head in the sand. Since you agree that they're Muslims, then you should also agree that according to their interpretation of the Qur'an, what they're doing is right and there is simply no way for you to tell them otherwise unless you're willing to rewrite the book to explicitly disallow bad behaviour.[/Quote]the above is not the absolute or correct situation. the entity who concluded something from what is good is the one who is wrong and you don't have to accept the evil or change the good to reflect the evil.

if your viewpoint is the only way to correlate and opinion from a text, the text will always have to be rewritten as soon a different opinion is formulated. the correct situation is to always move opinion to fit the actual text. the text is constant, hence opinions that are contrary to the true meaning of the text must be discarded.

you will agree that those who say God is more than 1 must have to change their opinions regardless of how beautifully they present the many gods they come up with. if God is 1, many gods can't be 1 God.

@thehomer; loosechange.com/911 videos let us know that the chief structural engineer of wtc said that the towers were built to withstand the hit of airliner[s], hurricane[s], fire[s]. from his knowledge of the structures, he was against the opinion of the head of nist who disagreed before agreeing that the hits of the aircrafts and the fires that occurred because of these were the sole cause for the collapse of the buildings.

he disregarded the obvious implosion collapse [phenom] of the building as the floors pancaked upon themselves without destroying adjacent buildings. it is interesting that tower #7 a good distant away free fall the same way after the owner gave the command of 'pull'.


please give me reason[s] you think what many saw of molten steel flows and heard of secondary explosions in many floors including the basements were not external causes responding for [no relation to the planes and their burnt off fuel], and could not be the primary cause of the total pancake implosion pattern of the destruction to the ground of the icons?

when larry silverstein said 'pull' and the building fell just hours at most later that day, could you tell me what the 'pull' meant in this case other than demolish? incidentally, tower #7 came down in the same way of free fall like her bigger cousins. that was without the hit of an aircraft which was what you are latching on to for your opinion. fire alone according to you can't make the building fall. this is also my opinion.

secondary explosion was not responsible is your opinion, which i am not with you on.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i say no.

my proof is the free fall.

explanation; secondary explosions from foundation [basement and sub-basement levels] and upper floors were heard in sequential intervals were heard. the lobby windows were blown out as if 'bomb[s]' detonated in it, and the stairway[s] and elevator[s] were also blown.


please watch the videos of loosechange.com/911

@Thehomer you had asked if there is any building on earth that was hit by an aircraft, got some fire because of it and didn't fall, like the two world trade center did on september 11, 2001.

i was actually looking for the thread where you asked me, earlier last week to post the below to assist you to know that such a building still stand. it is catted the empire state building. it was hit by a military b52 bomber on july 25. 1945 on the 45 th floor. it caught fire and it is standing.

please see the two part documentary on loosechange.com/911.


thank you.

^^^^^^^^^^ he lives in nigeria and forgets crusade, inquisition [do you know why it is inquisition as in inquire?], the slavery of people, colonization of countries, genocidal of the american natives, the 2 world wars, and since then no war or attrition that christianity does not play a big role in.

oldtime, this is newtime. the information have to be complete not incomplete as you are giving it.

^^^^^^^^^^^ Sure. Its an advantage when the sister of Aloy Emeka marries and takes up her husband's name, discarding what is natural to her.

it is an advantage when she is not the cooking, and slaving away ike the muslim women [i hope the christians look at their own homes and know who is the slave without calling her that?].


its a real advantage when the husband has plenty mistresses in corner corner side where he passes the afternoon and sometimes returning at wee hours of the night, to the only wife who is alone in her room.

real classy. aloy emeka, 'ol boy what an advantage the christian woman has over the muslim women who by command of Allah the family jewels, in the front and the back must be wrapped up.

my man dont get me started with the list of advantages. manmustwac is right. it is a true advantage when momma has the mounds exposed for johnny to see for free. i wonder what papa enjoys that everyone has not need from momma?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ another loose cannon. they are very rabid about islam.

you should have read few verses before the so called verse of the sword, so that you can better critique islam. is the verse of the sword an isolated verse, without any verse above or below it making it plain of what it applied to when it was revealed, and what condition it can be applicable in, even today?

finally, without wanting to sound as if i read everything you copied from your 'website source', i didn't because your cut and paste is too long, and i lost interest just as soon as i read up the verse of the sword.

however, to think we in the west are seeking approval of the non muslims in the west to legitimize islam is definitely a claim made out of ignorance by the enemies of islam. islam is firmly established in the heart and soul of the believer, with disbelievers unable to do anything about it.

islam will be here long time the enemies are gone. each of them will see their places in where God has promised to keep them. when this reality hits, it will be too late to mend what has passed.

no muslim says he worships the Gods of trinity. you do know we do not worship Jesus son of Mary, who you clearly worship? he is you god or one of your trinitarian Gods. to us Jesus the fatherless son of Mary the virgin [as] is a prophet, just like his cousin John son of Zacharias.

its newtime because the oldtime is incorrect, today, because of the latest revelation; Quran [not koran].

Haraam; Forbidden.

How many things we do in Islam that is anchored to this word; Haraam?

In salah, the first Takbiyat [raising of hand to begin the salah], is Takbiyat Al Hiram [The Haraam]. When Allahu Akbar is uttered at the raising of the hand, you can't eat or talk or indulge in anything that is not part of the Salah. if you do, the salah is nullified.

In Hajj and or Umrah, you begin it by wearing the 'Hiram' cloth [The Haraam]. From the time you put on this 'Al Hiram', you can not purposely remove a single strand of hair from your body or indulge in vain talk or be angry, etc. It is a beginning of your actually beginning the Hajj and or Umrah.

In a relationship among mankind, Harem to a person, male or female is person that you are definitely not permissible [forbidden as in Al Haraam] to have sexual relationship with. A father is a Harem to his mother, his sister, his aunt, daughter, his niece, while before he married his wife he was harem to her, his stepdaughter, his daughter inlaw, his mother inlaw, etc. All the women listed above were his harem, and his wife stopped being his harem the moment they got married.

The son of a woman, her brother, her uncle, her father, her son inlaw, her nephew, etc and her future husband until she marries him is harem [Haraam forbidden] to her.

When your harem, in either gender reaches the age of sexual consciousness, there is no reason for you to see the unclothedness of each other. Even the people in the same gender, there are parts of the body that is haraam to everyone. the only people who have the biggest allowance to each other are husband and wife.

so i am wondering what is wrong with harem [the way turks pronounce Haraam] which sets up the boundary for decency?

it sure beats letting the two bad boys 'all hang out' for every tom jones to see.

i know purestboy wants a peep show.

and she hates the turtle neck part.

@Thehomer; « #21 on: May 03, 2011, 09:25 PM »
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True Islam according to who? Sweetnecta?[/Quote]True Islam is only according to one man; Muhammad [as] who was given the Quran.



[Quote]So what if it talks about it? Keep in mind that human knowledge is hampered by superstitious and plainly wrong information.[/Quote]But Islam is from Allah. Where is superstition and wrong Information in what God prescribes? It is your limited knowledge by the unbelief in your heart is making you prosecuting the truth. Islam is evidential belief, not blind belief like the other guy[s].



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How long do you think humans have been on the earth? The point is that to get to the top, there are certain prerequisites.[/Quote]humans have been on earth as early as Adam arrived on earth. Adam is the last specie created. And the time of the creation of Adam was between Asr prayer [late afternoon prayer] and magrib prayer [sunset prayer] on that faithful Friday. when exactly is known by the Creator.



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Why did he not use the same angels? Were they tired? Why use humans? There's a difference between a person being slapped by a neighbour and being slapped by an angel. The act by the angel cannot be tried in court but the other can.[/Quote]Angels, Humans, etc are creatures. The Creator can use whatever means that pleases Him to do what He Wills. He used slavery to elevate Joseph. So why can't you reflect on that Unlimited resources available to Allah? Don't argue as if you are covering your inner eye.



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The fact that sin still exists shows that the act was a failure especially if he knew the flood act was going to fail. Whose commandments or rules has to be opposed for an act to be a sin?[/Quote]Sin is on earth so that people who want to receive His Mercy can avoid it or when they commit it, be conscious of it and seek repentance. On the other hand, those who do not want His Mercy can help themselves to committing sin without stopping, so that they will know, clearly while they end in Hell by His equitable Justice.



[Quote] from: Sweetnecta on May 03, 2011, 12:51 AM
even you who is not one of them see me as wrong and my ways unacceptable the reason you are not on my side.
Of course this is why revelation is not a good way of claiming to have arrived at knowledge.[/Quote]without you being from the people of 'revelation' you see me as wrong. So what benefit is there from you, if you are exactly like the others with their revelation in your hatred of me? You do not have right to condemn 'revelation' as the culprit but human nature, since you are better. And the only thing we have in common is humanity.



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Ok. Would you accept an abortion in the case of a 13 year old child who will likely become disabled if she bore a pregnancy to term?[/Quote]my position covers the preservation of the life of the mother who is a known quantity, already. she could be 13 or 31, the same rule applies.



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No it won't cross my mind since the event is already happening. Neither will it cross my mind that this incident will not occur if I was not born.
I see your point but mine is simply that that aphorism is not often true because more often than not, children who are missing are found alive rather than dead.[/Quote]And the americans look for their missing children for many decades without a 'we found him alive' ending. imagine how many death they parents os such a child have died in one day. you will get it when you become a parent that closure is a good resolve rather than almost empty hope day in day out.



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You're still shifting what I said. I was talking about the buildings that were struck by the planes. Do you believe that was the cause of their collapse?
Your reference to the other building is not quite relevant but I'll address it too. That building was struck by debris from the other buildings and suffered a fire outbreak.
Your claim of[b] pulling[/b] or whatever is curious because I wonder what ropes were used to pull it down.[/Quote]the bold is an amercan building industry's term to mean demolish. when a person cut the light off, or on it means turn the light on or off. cut is just a slang for turn here. You think the debris effect is enough for the building to collapse the same day rather than some other day? when the owner says pull and said they then pull, what do you think e meant? you need to research what silverstein did that day before you continue your argument on this one.



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How do you know what the prophet said? You don't have blind faith? What other sort of faith is there? How do you explain the diversity of organisms on earth?[/Quote]The Quran guides what we know that the Messenger said. The faith i have is evidence based faith, hence it is not bad. it is similar to the person who knows the Air is existing because he breath it in, and feel the effect of its current as a blowing wind. i do not have to see God before i know He exists. i feel His by the effect of His presence around me, even me as i stand on the earth that is swimming [rotating, orbiting] on a prescribed course.



[Quote] from: Sweetnecta on May 03, 2011, 12:51 AM
if they were muslims, you will not call them christians and others. right?
No I won't but it seems that you will.[/Quote]you are wrong thinking that you know my heart.



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Do you not see that all you're saying here is your word against theirs? Iin pristine Islam, when can a female get married? How many wives can a man have? How does a woman choose her husband?[/Quote]A female can get married when she is at least reached puberty. it is the same for male. A man can have 2 or 3 or 4 or 1. A woman chooses her husband by either proposing or accepting a proposal. just like you can't force a man to marry someone he does not want, you can't force a woman to marry a person she does not want. doing that is not part of islam.

@Olaadegbu; « #19 on: Today at 09:49:10 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:15:07 PM

@Olaadegbu; #11 on: Today at 06:16:42 PM »your professor was not your friend when he was teaching you. this is the same with me. i am teaching you, hence i can't be user friendly because you may not learn, but go on with your copy and paste.

I can understand that your arabic alfa was hard on you while you were learning your arabic but that does not mean you should take your anger out on the people outside your world. You've been posting for over a year and by now you should be able to post properly.[/Quote]did u get the message my pst cary? [i intentionally eliminate a letter here and letter there. hoping that you prefer shorter read]. he avoids, always my questions preferring to put a blinder on and just continue his cut and paste.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:15:07 PM
a child whose mother is not the wife of the father is what, again? how relevant were the bold to the time before Jesus or from the time Muhammad was thoroughly established? can jesus be the savior of sinless Job? further you need to watch the youtube video series on 'the missing years of jesus'. they are suggesting that he copied buhhdah and also followed john, copying him in the ways of the jewish essenne sect.

It is either you are not a good Muslim or you are just playing lip service that Jesus is your prophet. If you truly believe that Jesus is your prophet you would not have to resort to derogatory remarks about him.[/Quote]who knows about jesus more, you or God? while i am taking God's Words about jesus, i do know that he did not die, hence there was no resurrection [a thing to happen after death. and resurrection is just one time, happening to every person, prophet included]. should i go along with your 'make up' about jesus, instead? no.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:15:07 PM
you and paige petterson are wrong when you can't even give us a correct answer of jesus as God, while ghost is God and while father is God, too. i counted three Gods above whle you will say you counted one. yet you will tri angle is a 3 angle thing. but you will not accept that tri nity is a 3 god thing. why the double standard?

If you are a true Muslim who believes in what his prophets say you will take what Jesus said as the truth and nothing but the truth.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."[/Quote]did jesus say thing about himself to mean more than a snapshot of his time on the children of israel, only? does this 'i am the way, . . . to the father' includes before him [how about when moses was the way and many died at that time, long before jesus?] and after him for the rest of the world, even as muhammad arrived with what you are asking me to use to believe what jesus said in the bible? if Quran says jesus was not dead, not crucified and no reason to believe he was resurrected and that he was only a messenger at his time to the children of israel, should you not be sincere with yourself before you ask me to believe in the Quran so that i can believe in what is said about jesus in the bible, even when what you said i should believe in the bible opposes what is in the Quran?

you have to make up tour mind. you can't ask me to accept the shafts as the wheat, when they are completely different. shaft is the stock [it can be fed to the cattle, whereas wheat, definitely man eats.

@Namfax; As sSalaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah. please do not speak for islam, because i am a muslim who prefers the best of Speeches.

you can speak for the northern people, if you prefer because i am not a northerner.

infact, if you have any nigerian, it may be better if you leave nigeria and take up a citizenship of any other country of the world. there are many people lke you [EzeUche] who should let the rest of us keep our identity as nigerians, home and abroad.


@obiagiu1; « #20 on: Today at 01:39:24 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: ayomifull on Today at 01:07:16 PM
why will anyone be living in violence prone area?

It's the Yorubas, when they are threatened, they run to Sabon Gari for the Igbo to protect them. When they are killed, they deny their brothers.[/Quote]it is human nature when fleeing from danger, panic mode sets in, and you may not be thinking straight, except that you wish to preserve your life. hence you will seek shelter where ever you find it. i doubt if you understand how desperate a person can be when he or she is eager to reach safety.



@texazzpete; « #21 on: Today at 01:52:33 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Obiagu1 on Today at 01:39:24 PM
It's the Yorubas, when they are threatened, they run to Sabon Gari for the Igbo to protect them. When they are killed, they deny their brothers.

You're truly your father's son.[/Quote]How real is your experience in texas, man? the lesser of two evil may be your friend in critical situation. while i say this to remind you only of reality of what a person will do to survive, i am certain if the kkk and aryan nation gang is pursuing you, you will rush toward the waiting arms of blood and creeps. yet there is no reason for you to mix with them blood and creeps if you aint trying to escape the people intending to lynch you. when intelligent people like you are so tribalistic that you can neither see the trees or the forest, taking both realities as a desert, what do you expect from the almajiris?

i tell you though, if anyone threatens by life, regardless of his or her tribe, if i have my chance, i will smoke em up and that will be that. i will not allow anyone to oppress me. i guess thats how sons of their fathers look at life.

@Olaadegbu; #11 on: Today at 06:16:42 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta, Can you please learn how to post and make it user friendly?[/Quote]your professor was not your friend when he was teaching you. this is the same with me. i am teaching you, hence i can't be user friendly because you may not learn, but go on with your copy and paste.




[Quote]I will leave you with some quotes for you and PAGAN 9JA to think about.

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." -- Acts 4:12

This is one of the clearest statements that can be found anywhere setting forth the one way of salvation. Only Jesus Christ can save, for He both created and sustains all things. He Himself has made this plain in John 14:6 when He said:

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."[/Quote]a child whose mother is not the wife of the father is what, again? how relevant were the bold to the time before Jesus or from the time Muhammad was thoroughly established? can jesus be the savior of sinless Job? further you need to watch the youtube video series on 'the missing years of jesus'. they are suggesting that he copied buhhdah and also followed john, copying him in the ways of the jewish essenne sect.




[Quote]As offensive as such a truth may be to non-Christians, we must continually make it clear in our witness to them, for without Christ they are lost and bound for hell. It was Paige Patterson who said this when commenting on the passage above:

"It comes down to a question of truth. Every false religious expression is a religion of darkness. That doesn't mean there are no good things in that faith. But if Jesus is to be taken seriously when He says, 'No one comes to the Father but through Me', every other proposal is one of darkness."[/Quote]you and paige petterson are wrong when you can't even give us a correct answer of jesus as God, while ghost is God and while father is God, too. i counted three Gods above whle you will say you counted one. yet you will tri angle is a 3 angle thing. but you will not accept that tri nity is a 3 god thing. why the double standard?

@Idehn; « #16 on: Today at 04:10:05 AM »
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I see you are not familiar with particle physics either. Unstable particles decay into multiple particles of lower energy states. The sum of the total energy before the decay must be equal to that from before. The big bang theory says this as well. The sum total of the energy/matter were compressed into a single energy state, before expanding to ever lower states. No new energy/matter is required.
[/Quote]first, i do not have to be a master of everything before i know what 'nothing' is. read your own thoughts again; a particle that was so 'compressed' [i wonder what compressed it, or a Causer to bring about it, what compressed it, how it was compressed and how somehow the body can't hold and it had to burst with 'the biggest bang' sound?], that it had no 'size', but position, can't have by itself,without other external factors become all these things that we even have on earth. I dont have to know all the colors on earth to talk about the green color if that is the color that am concerned with, in the same way that i do not have to be expert on particle physics that such a small particle you said gave a big bang can only give a 'whimper' sound. the big bang can never come from a small particle.



[Quote]The Evolutionary Theory I subscribe to is the one espoused by the Biological Sciences. If you do not, than why did you attempt to connect science positively to the Islam when they are not compatible. You yourself are an example of the incompatibility. As a Muslim you are not even willing to take the time understand scientific principles and instead reject them whenever they contradict the Qu'ran. How can the impact of Islam on reason be anything but negative?[/Quote]consider that science changes as new knowledge determines the position that science takes. the other position is Absolute position that Islam holds since it is from The Owner of all knowledge. should i opposite absolute for what shifts based on latest knowledge? latest knowledge of yesterday is incorrect, today.



[Quote] from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:35:42 AM
you are running away from the evolution where human came from the ape family. i do not believe in that. ape is ape regardless of how much it looks like human. human is human regardless of how hard to try to link him to ape.


Humans in the realm of taxonomy are defined as a species of Ape by series of common anatomical characteristics such (5 digits, oposable thumbs, four main limbs) . Calling humans a type of ape(Hominidae specifically) is no different than calling an alligator a type of crocodilian. That is category that the creature fits. Evolution merely explains why/how these common features exist among multiple species/families/genera etc, and more importantly can make predictions based upon them(such as in epidemiology). Saying that the order was randomly/spontaneously formed by already complex being does nothing of the sort.[/Quote]continue with the charade. are alligator and crocodile really the same? can baby alligator stray into the community of giant male crocs and not be dinner? can we not see a croc standing out by its snort in the mist of many alligators? is a zebra and a wild horse the same, or even similar, if lion and tiger are not similar? you may not be alive when the hypothesis of human and ape being of the same species is disproved, in the future.

@Olaadegbu; « #7 on: Today at 01:27:12 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: PAGAN 9JA on Today at 01:05:00 PM
Before jesus died on the cross everyone were saved thanks to their Pagan Gods and Godesses. After jesus died on the cross, all those who remained Pagan were saved by der Gods and Godesses but those who converted were doomed for eternity. Cool

"For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law. (For not the hearer of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law to themselves: Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" Romans 2:12-15.[/Quote]this shows how unjust an unjust deity is. there is no human society that punishes anyone for action that is not against any law. sin by its definition is an act deemed wrongful because it goes against a law. if your deity will condemn anyone without going against his law, what kind of fairness can we attach to such a tyrannical deity?


[Quote]The pagans will go to hell for murder, ra pe, adultery, lust, theft, lying, etc. Sin is not failing to hear the gospel. Rather, sin is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4). And the Law is written on your conscience.[/Quote]remember that they do not have a law prohibiting them against what you call murder, rape, adultery, lust, theft, lying, etc. how are they transgressors when there was nothing to even prick their conscience to consciousness about it? they are like a people fast asleep. do you punish a person for what is [done in sleep] committed while unconscious of it? there is no sense of fairness in your statement since biblical God actually told Adam and Eve about the consequence of the tree. was that not on their conscience or it was not enough to be on the conscience and it must be spoken to them? if the people who were not given the privilege to hear it, is going to be punished, why are Adam and Eve forgiven, so much so what they suffer is only on this earth, suffered by people who are sinless but want to succeed? even job was sinless. so was zacharias. so was his son john. job suffered in the health department while john was beheaded.

@Olaadegbu; « #3 on: Yesterday at 11:47:06 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Joagbaje on Yesterday at 09:57:38 PM
Here was a foreknowledge of God . And predestination of God. But the way of salvation came through Jesus .

Hebrews 9:8
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Have you read Revelation 13:8 that nuclearboy referred you to?

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Do you now see that this does not say that names have been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world but that the Lamb was planned to be slain from the foundation of the world?  If so, why not see that Jesus died to redeem the OT saints who looked forward to the Cross by faith.  Read Hebrews 11:1-40 for better understanding.[/Quote]while you are now in two camps in the above; joagbaje believing that it was the foreknowledge and predestination of God that made people Paradise or Hell bound before Jesus, you, olaadegbu and your suppoter are quoting verses from books that were written after Jesus exited the earth. these new ideas about Jesus oppose what Jesus said about himself and God. if if we put all of these into the all things considered category, we will have to accept what we can be certain that came from Jesus and not what we think Jesus said or might have said or what some other person said about him.


paul for example forced the idea on the conscience of people that jesus had to be more than a prophet by saying that if jesus didn't get crucified and resurrected his own gospel that he is now preaching, which is not exactly the gospel that Jesus preached. that gospel of jesus is known by his disciples of 12, a group paul was never part of. we will read about peter opposing paul so much so that paul had to bully him with 'i will say it to his face' statement that is definitely confrontational. what is the truth about Jesus? Only God Who was never on earth but in heaven as Invisible to people on earth knows without anything hidden.


jesus himself knew less of himself compared to what knows about jesus. could the another comforter not to have been informed of this 100% truth about jesus, by God Almighty Whose Speech this spirit of truth as another comforter hears as in command and latest information and repeat just that without addition or subtraction in order to correct [you don't correct what is right or correct. but if when you correct, people have the freedom to adopt the correction or reject it], guide and lead to all truth and speak the most honoring thing about jesus. if jesus was always God, what is it that the another comforter who is the spirit of truth is going to say other than mere confirmation, which is not going to make the 'he will glorify me' part come to life?


but if the another comforter says that jesus was a prophet like previous prophet but without a father, yet his mother was not a sexually lewd woman, we will soon realize that this is the best form of glorification, instead of making a man, a prophet, a definitely powerless on his own strength [jesus said all of these about himself] a deity. we can't beautify a mansion be name by calling it a palace, when it is not big enough and no crown resides in it. reality my good man.




[Quote]« #4 on: Today at 12:13:19 AM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:53:13 PM
 
@olaadegbu;what is wrong at the two bold[s]? if it is the Bible we are discussing, we expect the beginning to be something from "GENESIS". how is 1 peter 1 19/20 qualifying for the beginning in matters of Adam and Eve if it is them you are holding up for your beginning here?

Ask me again.

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:53:13 PM
see how you killed Trinity by the bold and actually buried it by the below?

Why is this trinity thing eating you up like this?

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:53:13 PM

i think you intended to write God instead of god, even though you later introduced a god? the God or god Who or who promised 'the coming one', is He/he Yahweh of Moses or a god from the three godheads of Trinity? if you read your cut and paste to yourself before you posted it, you would have seen that you have already separated Yahweh of Moses Who would be the One dealing with Adam and Eve, away from any of the three godheads of Trinity that Peter is suggesting above.

Thanks for the correction as I have duly edited my post.  Must you Muslims always be fixated on the trinity that you don't understand, can't you practise your faith without using Christianity as a reference?

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:53:13 PM

His people if you remember are the children of israel. how are christians His people in addition to the children of israel? the christians always in speech say the children of israel are the 'His people'. please explain how you manage to add the christians to this 'His people' group. i will remind you that the children of israel laugh at your concept of God. they also laugh at you adding yourselves to 'His people'.

Since you have excluded yourselves from being His children why bother yourselves on those who have received Him as their personal Saviour and Lord?

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:53:13 PM

the world here is the world of the 12 nations of israel, or the whole wide world, considering that even ishmael children are 12 nations by this time? 'the lamb' as you call jesus did not allow anyone to preach beyond the nations/tribes of the children of israel. this was so important to him that he said he was sent to the children of israel, specifically the lost ones so that he can return then from the lost and found box. now tell us how a yoruba man like yourself becomes one of the lost and found? incidentally, he was long gone before you were born as a non child of israel.

You should also tell me how you a Yoruba man becomes an Arab descendant.  I have chosen to worship the seed of the woman what about you?

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:53:13 PM

whose glory; his or that of the God Who sent him? my argument is really to open your mind up to the reality that you move from reality to falsehood in your argument. is God One even before the beginning? yes. is God trinity as in three gods in this godheads? no.

My friend, we are not talking about your Allah of the Qur'an here, so do us a favour and beat it.
[/Quote]suddenly, you broke into michael jackson's mood. When you lie on God and lie on His prophet [as], it is our duty to at least agitate your conscience, reminding you to be very careful of the consequence of your action. God is an English word to identify Allah an Arabic word being the Personal Name of God. If you write in Yoruba and you use Olorun, will that be a different being from the being that you have in mind when you write the English word; God? incidentally, no knowledgeable Arab Jew or Christian will say Allah of the Quran is not the Yahweh or Elah, etc of the One God [not a trinity god head] in their mind. if you find a truly knowledgeable one who opposes my statement here, direct him to the video on youtube where a jewish rabbi is saying Islam is the original religion of mankind dating directly to the time of Adam, the first man, directing him to God, alone without any deviation.

And you should posse the arabness of the yoruba to the entire yoruba tribe. start with olusegun aremu obasanjo who wrote about this in order to identify his yorubaness. he is a christian, but will not deny the origin of his tribal heritage. olaadegbu, are you a yoruba man, if you are denyng your arab root, simply because you are a christian, while the elites of yorubas who are christians are eager to embrace the arab past in them? change your name. that will work, instead of opposition to what is obvious.

i am not a child of God but His creature who approaches Him directly as He commanded. He, alone is Enough for me, so why would i take a savior when He is the One Who is able to save me, by His Infinite Mercy. i cant practice what the osun worshipers indulge by introducing a personal savior to get to The God Who already said i must approach Him directly. i will be disobeying Him if i install a personal savior, as you have suggested. Should I obey God or taking your suggestion? taking your suggestion will be a double jeopardy; not truly serving God since i adopted your idea to serve you is a subtle manner and clearing serving that savior you suggested. this is another form of trinity [lol].

and i am bothered or obsessed by trinity. what is clear is clear. truth is clear and it is a singular thing. false is another thing, changing as the world turns; God was One, then He became Three as in Three persons, yet still One. This is not something the mind or spirit can accept as sound. since you ask that i ask you, again; how do you do it?




[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:53:13 PM
i wonder how jesus participated in the saving of Adam and Eve? i wonder if he actually saved them since they suffered for their sins and even their children are suffering for the same sin? how is satan's head crushed when jesus himself was tempted by him? when peter took the form of satan so much so that jesus had to call peter at that time satan? after the event of peter, we noticed that satan still roam free today to the point that some people are worshiping him. was his head crushed, really? the bible says jesus fought death.yet people continue to die. where are the victories of jesus over the still active head crushed satan and still active already wrestled death? nothing changed, man. i guess the condition remained as it before, during after jesus. nothing has changed.

This is a typical example of what Joagbaje calls a natural man who cannot understand the things of God except he be born again.[/Quote]Which of you is not a 'natural man'? please explain what is not natural about you? Give us examples of your features, perchance you may not have a soul, or dont eat, etc? what are things of God? Can we ascribe confusing thing[s] to God when the bible declares that God is not the Author of confusion? it will going against the bibe if we say confusing thing like three godheads is One God is not confusing and therefore ascribe it to God, defining Him by it.




[Quote]« #5 on: Today at 09:09:50 AM »

Again to answer the question of what happens to the people who died before Jesus came, let us read this verse in the book of Hebrews:

"But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect" (Heb.12:22-23).[/Quote]does this verse make sense to you at all by speaking the truth and direct? First, the writer is not jesus. i will submit to you that the content of this verse is completely opposite what jesus said, and what the another comforter returned believers to by his correction. Jesus is not familiar with any church, a concept developed after his God took him up. jesus prayed as in worshiped in a temple so that you should know that church is foreign to jesus. jerusalem is on earth and there is nothing heavenly about it except many prophets lived or visited it. in the time of Jesus, and the time of the writer of Hebrew 12; 22/23, most people in jerusalem were disbelievers. today the people who control it are exactly the same disbelievers. angels are believers and obedient to One God. they do not believe in trinity since you can not show a place where the Angels worship the holy ghost. your first born concept is just that without any proof of its validity and you have no clarity of its meaning.




[Quote]Jesus is and has always been the central point of history.  In the OT, we read about the law that was given to the Israelites, and all the sacrifices they were commanded by God to carry out, all the festivals they were to keep, and all the feasts they were to conduct.  The reason for all of these is that they pointed to Jesus.[/Quote]what history is this? in ot, jesus was not mentioned even once. show me 'jesus' in any ot verse. can you recall when anyone called him 'emmanuel' in nt? we read the names of adam, eve, etc in ot more than just a casual word. jesus did not even meet that qualification in ot.




[Quote]Since the Fall of man, when sin entered the world, everyone on earth through faith (either in Jesus who was to come or Jesus who has now come) has the opportunity for salvation through faith.  This is why the Jews had so many laws (613 of them), festivals and sacrifices, which now have all been fulfilled in Christ, the Messiah they were looking towards.  It would have been impossible for a Jew to do something without it having reference to the Messiah yet to come.  Praise God, the Messiah has now come.  We all need to make sure we have put our faith and trust in Him.[/Quote]what is the fall of man? do you know what you are talking about? where was man created and what did he fall from and by? why is man created being the purpose of his life? you think all things hang on the jews when mankind have been here before the direct forefathers of the jews; the forefathers were isaac, and jacob and even joseph and his brothers whom judah is one of them. we should notice that excluded abraham because he is also the forefathers of arabs and not an exclusive forefather of the jews like his son and grandson isaac and jacob were.




[Quote]Therefore, people before Jesus Christ were saved by faith, and thus went to heaven when they died, and those who did not have faith went to hellfire, which is the fate of all those who choose not to believe and receive Jesus Christ as their own Saviour and Lord today.[/Quote]is not save by faith what the christian still stand on? you see why your 'therefore' does not really carry any weight?

^^^^^^^^^^^^Thank God that your evolutionary process is different from mine, the reason we see things from different prisms.


if you are saying fish ultimately became fish, or the smallest particle that could ever existed exploded, giving out the loudest sound which you call 'big bang' thereby producing all these complex things, i do not subscribe to it.

my evolution is for example the fusions of male and female emitted fruits to finally become a living baby person, through the many developmental evolution [changes from one state to a completely different one, and still from one stage based on size and refinement to another], is my own type of evolution.

you are not in my mind, and i pen my thought, my disagreement is simply in your type of evolution.


you are running away from the evolution where human came from the ape family. i do not believe in that. ape is ape regardless of how much it looks like human. human is human regardless of how hard to try to link him to ape.

the only common thing they share is that they and all others are creatures of the same Creator.

@divinereal« #9 on: Today at 03:32:16 PM »
[Quote]"Well the world population has grown exponentially with the application of science and reason. I'm sorry but I simply have to let you know
that they cannot be victorious if they refuse to apply science and reason in their governments. "[/Quote]islam played father to science and reason before. it will return to it when the muslims return to true islam. read the Quran it does talk about science and reason and a whole lot more.


[Quote]Well said homer, can't seem to get this throught these people greasy thought process. The reason why people do not understand history and that the wests advancement over other nations in the past 500 years is because of science and reason. The methodology of reason not religion, race or culture. Reason is core to Western culture. A society based on religion will always fail regardless of the faith. Cultures and societies must evolve as everything else in the universe lest they die.[/Quote]500 yeqrs is just last night in the life of the human race. before 500 years ago even timbuktu in mali was on top of the west in science and reason. what is making you to think that muslims will not return to the basis, later? there is a cycle in everything.



@thehomer « #11 on: Today at 04:35:40 PM »
[Quote]It's not about what I want to see. Remember that in the time of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, he decided to destroy the city himself. If he could destroy these cities himself, why did he coerce the Israelites? These are stories that are reported to have happened many years ago.[/Quote]the Angels were used by God in the cases of sodom and gomorrah. angels are creations, just like men are. Angels are Messengers just true believers are. The angels were ordered. Moses and the israelites were ordered. where is your capability to conduct parallel observation?



[Quote]How do you know it is not due to God's failure? After all, he's failed in the past e.g in the case of Noah and his flood. Besides, why do you say homosexuality is a sin? Is it a sin like stealing a vehicle? Or murder?[/Quote]i dont know how you decide what failure is just because decision is delayed till its appointed time, because of Mercy instead of immediate Justice? How is Noah's flood a failure the evil people perished and believers were saved? A sin is action opposing a commandment/rule. Homosexuality, God says of it, He will not look at them. incidentally, sodom and gomorrah was wiped out, while stealing a vehicle meets a cut off of the hand and murder may actually pay blood money or forgive without any kind of punishment.



[Quote]Therefore the Christians, Jews and Hindus are wrong? I hope you realize that your claim is no better than theirs since the entire basis is revelation.[/Quote]even you who is not one of them see me as wrong and my ways unacceptable the reason you are not on my side.



[Quote]This is not about baby Hitler but the fact that you seem to accept abortion. My question is do you? And the reference to authority is not about the baby but about any human at any stage in their life. If he was not elevated and obeyed as an authority, he still would not have been able to do what he did.[/Quote]i accept abortion if the life of the mother is in the balance. i accept abortion in the case of a rapist which i am sure no sane woman wants to keep the child from unwanted and force upon sex from a complete stranger for a fact. you and are are at different levels in our worldly out look and i doubt if you are as progressive if you do not see a situation in which abortion is acceptable. i see plenty.



[Quote]Desiring that the person was not born would be irrelevant at that point in time because you are making a poor comparison. It's no more relevant than saying what if you were not born? Then there would be no one to be held at gun point.
Sorry but I have to disagree with this aphorism too. It may be applicable in some cases but consider a case in which a child was missing for a month who was later found. Would you still say it was better for the child to be dead than to have been lost?[/Quote]i did not ask about the relevance. i simply ask if it will cross your mind that the man was never born which would be a fact that the incident would not even occur. between a good person and a bad one, the one preferred and beneficial to mankind is the good man. how shall a good man wishes for death so that a bad person does not even come to threaten him? and in the case of the child, just imagine during the period the period the parents were searching without a clue if the nightmare will ever end. if they had found the body, they would not have to suffer thinking whats happening to the child right now. such a worry kills the parents every minute before there is an ending. imagine even a worse condition; the child was never found throughout the lifetime of the parents. Are you a parent, man? no parent wants the suffering of the child to prolong for a moment. parents die 'while alive' when their child is missing. an uncountable thoughts enter the mind.



[Quote]How many buildings do you know that have been struck with large sized commercial planes?
You are simply calling on conspiracy theories here while at the same time shifting the discussion. I was referring to the buildings struck by the planes. Do you think that was the cause of their collapse?[/Quote]imagine a building that was not struck at all, but collapsed just free fall like the ones struck? could you give any reason for its coming down? can you deny larry silverstein saying 'pull'and they pulled? please research it before responding from the blind.



[Quote]No they weren't. Are you saying only prophets should be listened to? I hope you realize that this means the Qur'an then becomes open to be interpreted by anyone in any way they wish. Like the example you've given above. Who are you to say that interpretation is wrong? Are you a prophet?[/Quote]when a person says something that opposes what a prophet [as] said, i will folow the prophet. that is a safe bet than just folowing a person who owes no prophetic authority. All my action will be according to the ruling of the prophet as soon as i know it. i dont follow blindly or have a blind faith. God also gave me mind to think. right is clear. so is wrong, too.



[Quote]That's not the question I asked. I asked if Christians and other non-believers were Muslims.[/Quote]if they were muslims, you will not call them christians and others. right?



[Quote]In that case, Allah cannot will it. I thought going back to pristine Islam was what the Taliban were pushing. You need to realize that to actually have good studies and research, there must be a large degree of academic freedom. Even the freedom to not believe in Allah and not be killed.[/Quote]if taiban did not allow education for women, how can that be pristine islam, when there were women scholars among the companions [RA] who taught men. so were also women in the next generation and the next who did the same before the generation that started the adoption of 'no education' for women. can we say boko haram is on pristine islam wherein they say education is bad even for men, the reason you have the almajiris? consider the wasting brain power and human resources? will nigeria not be a larger educational pool if these men are educated? Almuhajirin is a beautiful name and a description of those who left Makka for the sake of Allah escaping persecution. these people call almajiris have tarnished such a beautiful name.

This is a problem muslim woman does not have.

God says every person must be known by the father's name. so a wife keeps her father's name.

^^^^^^ The place where the word is preached? the word brought in my the word that became flesh?


this is a stretch. two words. yet can't stop the entertainment.