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A man told some people a made up story about himself so that he may be thought to be a noble man. His outside image is not actually his reality. He knows it and someone else knows it with him. That Some Else is God.

The same man in his deceit is generous to a fault to those who are not the most important person in his life. The most important person in his life is his aged mother who he in spite of all his outside showmanship he knew that she was destitute and called him for help. He made sure that she is locked up so that she never has the opportunity to speak up about how much she is suffering while her son is the philanthropist of the nation.

At long last, his day came that a reporter discovered the truth, while writing a piece to honor him.

Does anyone think that the news about the treatment of his mother will make him worth than pure dirt in the eyes of people who can reason? I think not.


The above is a weak similitude about the man [the people who make up ways to please themselves while they ignore the One True God Who creates and deserves all worship] and the way his Lord will deal with him from the moment the Angel of death comes to extract his soul and leave him lifeless.


Alhamdulillah. I pray that each of you can turn your life around and worship The Most Merciful.


Allah is not to be worshiped as you wish. His religion that He gave to mankind is roadmap specific. It is unlike the others full of make up and personal desire.

If you say your Lord is Allah, you must worship Him as the community of muslim does without going to another society to co mingle with others who with you say their god is Buhddah, etc.



The declaration of faith of Islam is a two parter; negating all gods and worships first. The solely declaring that Allah is the Only One and to Him is all worship, request, hope, etc depending on Him under His Will, with all patience and reverence.


How is it The One Who controls everything is ignored or in association to what He has Absolute Power over? Is there a god but God Almighty Allah, alone?

@Thehomer; « #1 on: Today at 01:24:02 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Deen4me on Today at 12:35:11 PM
Hijab Our Pride !

A christian man asked a Muslim' "Why do your women cover up their body and hair ? "

The Muslim man smiled and got two sweets, He unwrapped one and kept the other intact.

He threw them both on the dusty floor and asked the christian :

If I asked you to take one on the sweets, which one would you choose ?

The christian replied , The covered one.

Then the Muslim man said, " That's how we treat our women."



Really? Does this then mean that children and men who do not wear it are somehow dirty and unhygienic?[/Quote]No. Oh dear. thehomer cant see a forest even if he is in a jungle. Men wear beard and cover as appropriate as required by the their gender need. Children are too innocent to realize sexuality, yet it does not mean that every child will like to be naked in front of strange adults, even family members. when you grow up to actually know that a woman is different from man, you will be bashful and see the need of covering up. Illegal sex is the first major sin committed in the history of mankind by group of people; the disobedience of the commandment of mixing of the people of lowland and highland during the lifetime of Seth. With melody from flute, these people committed the sin of sex out of marriage byt the prohibition of not mixing together.



[Quote]Or do the women somehow have a weaker immunity that they need to be protected in this way from the germs in the environment?[/Quote]When you put on cloths where ever you are, are you doing it because you are guarding yourself against germ or probably against indecent exposure of your private parts of your body? do you shower in open space, without anything to prevent people from seeing all you got? The same covered up woman could be completely do in a different setting in the presence f that person that it is permissible that she can shed off all of that outer garment.

@lepasharon; my wife keeps her last name. if you are married, or when you are, is it mandated that you keep your family name?

Eve was the only one blamed in the Bible. the Quran blames both Adam and Eve, equally and forgave them completely when they sort the forgiveness from the sin.

Islam go so far as retiring a woman from the hassle of worldly rat race of the struggle to survive. what does the bible say except impoe labor pain on women?

do you want me to continue?


and it is not the duty of the wife to slave on the husband. the husband, if he copies the Messenger [as] will know that if his wife prepares his food, washes his cloth, etc, she is doing them not because of her duty, but her love for Allah, therefore she is showing mercy on the husband.

[Quote]Anyways, the point is go away[/Quote]Alhamdulillah that you have no authority that 'seun osewa' has. The Mercy of Allah has covered me right there in your presence, yet you are unable to realize it. if you can't know this benefit on me, how can you know the evil of Thalatha; trinity?



[Quote] - us here have found the truth![/Quote]the truth as in trinity? please explain it; how 3 [whole[s]] is 1 [whole] or how 1 [whole] is 3 [whole[s] without giving us confusion. nuclearboy, you beta jawo kuro ni apoon tio yo and better gbe omi ila kaa noo. you know about complex matters as in 'nuclear' yet simple arithmetic straight forward matter like 3 and 1 you are clueless on less you put forward ojooro method. this is worse than 419 scam.



[Quote] Problem is that some are trying to distort it to their private gain. In effect, all here have gone past your stage and KNOW the truth.[/Quote]explain the truth as in trinity, the speechless Another Comforter which you turned to Invisible spirit, while other Former Comforters were persons like Moses, Jesus who were humans.



[Quote]Eff off! And you could spend some time with a psychologist - you need the help for the trauma. Plus some laughter - check out "Achmed the dead terrorist" on Youtube for free enlightened laughs[/Quote]the bold is a first class quality of speech. Where did you learn that from if you are a follower of Jesus son of Mary? Dont be one of those he will say I do not know ye to.

@Arabboy; Muslim Woman and non-Muslim Man:

, And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikun** till they believe in Allah alone and verily a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik, even though he pleases you, .[2:221]

** Al-Mushrikun=>Pagans, idolators, polytheist and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and in His messenger Prophet Muhammad SAW) -

Islam considers the husband head-of-the-family and therefore requires that a Muslima cannot marry a non-Muslim because she will be under the authority of a non-muslim husband. He may prevent her from carrying out her religious obligations by either pressuring her or physically abusing her. But it is not the sole reason for imposing the restriction. The situation is considered very damaging for the woman to practice Islam afterwards and even worse for the kids in such marriages. There are NO single condition mentioned under which a Muslim woman IS allowed to get married or remain married to a non-Muslim husband after she has accepted Islam. Therefore, even if she has freedom to practice Islam after marriage, she is NOT allowed to enter into an inter-faith marriage.

@Tuneh and Joagbaje; « #7 on: May 13, 2011, 05:40 AM »

[Quote]Quote from: tuneh on May 11, 2011, 09:29 PM
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful but not all things are expedient. Before you decide to do anything, ask yourself why you feel physically altering your form (which is nothing but a temporary tent) will give you confidence or improve your self esteem. If Christ can't do it, nothing else will. God won't condemn you for plastic surgery, but I think He'll laugh

Brilliant post! Your look is simply a thing of choice. In the days of Jesus some men were were castrated as eunuchs so that they won't sleep with the kings wives while serving or massaging her, others made themselves eunuchs so that they could serve God without temptation and distraction . Jesus himself said you could pluck your eyes out.

Matthew 19:12
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

It's a matter of choice. But as a christian ,even though it is not a sin if you do enhancement. Just like an accident victim that may require it. But spending such huge amount for body assesories may not be a wise thing .[/Quote]Self deformity or someone deforming you while they use al types of reasons except a sin you committed is clearly evil. I thought the speaking in audible voice Another comforter on the day of penticost should have led the disciples to all truth while he corrected them of what they were wrong on after Jesus left? where is the book of record of what the Another Comforter said and did in that one day, while we already knew that in 3 years before Jesus didnt complete everything so that no Another Comforter may come?

^^^^^^^^^^^^
[Quote]« on: Today at 08:40:18 AM »

In the book of Exodus 12 in the OT we read about a major festival - "The Passover". This festival is still ongoing and is very relevant to the live of a christian. There is a misunderstanding about the concept because a lot of people including the Jews associated it with political independence or in extreme cases "Canibalism" Grin. Wrong! A key reason why the religious leaders of Jesus time on earth failed to recognise "the Messiah", God in flesh that came down from heaven and dwelt among them.[/Quote]If the Jews in UK ever identify you, they will make your christian life miserable just because of the first bold. Even me, a muslim knows that there is no truth to the first bold.
As to the second bold, the messiah simply means the anointed. was Jesus the only anointed?



[Quote]What was/is the purpose of the Passover. Why did God command that it must be celebrated year on year?[/Quote]is this a true statement and can you support your claim of 'annual' celebration with a verse?



[Quote]Deliverance from death!

Israel's main enemy was not bondage to Egypt but bondage to death, as it is for all people including Christians. The most fundamental problem facing humans is not political or physical(what we can see) but spiritual. Of course, only the death of the firstborn was prevented in Egypt. So was death really conquered? Furthermore, why did the passover require that the Israelites apply blood to their doorpost? Remember out of all the plagues that God inflicted on Egypt, this was the only time the Israelites were required to perform this ritual escape. Why was it not required in any of the other plagues?[/Quote]while it is obvious that there was no deliverance from death of anyone in 2000 or more years, the Jews will dispute with you that bondage [oppression that they were experiencing as slaves] is there major problem an death was something they knew that there is no escape from. It is almost unbelievable that the reason given for the blood on the doorposts was not to escape or any other reason but that the Angel [dumb angel I say] can "Identify" the homes of the Children of Israel. This somehow underscore a not the know all that we expect the True God by, Who would have definitely empowered the angel to automatically know all the homes of the Children of Israel, just like the same angel was empowered to able to enter the Egyptian homes without the doors being ajar and be able to know which was the first born among all the 'born[s]'.



[Quote]These questions highlight the significance of Jesus Christ death and resurrection as associated with the passover season. Death is the effect of sin.[/Quote]and all the disciples are dead.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is an ostrich head in the sand syndrome.

Muhammad [AS] was given mandate [The Quran] as a mouth piece of God on earth [thats what Messengers and Prophets of God were].

read the Quran you will see where God says that man should follow and obey Muhammad if man loves God. God will love man back and forgives and make the path/affair of man easy. I am sure you don't punish a person you love and God will not punish a man He loves.

Other parts of the Quran, God says He will admit believing man and believing woman into Paradise. Even you, aloy/emeka know that non muslims [christians for example] say that the paradise of the Muslims is super entertainment.

So how do you not know the answer of where Muslims who true believers and do good deeds will end up?Do you think Islamic Paradise is created for any group other than Muslims?

Christian Protestors Throw † Crosses † at Feet of Old Muslim Man Praying by White House

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_wxPdQdeA

and they claim to be 'the ones who gladly offer the other cheek', similar to the one who says there is no way Muhammad is a prophet after Jesus.


incidentally, the more peaceful prophet 'John son of Zacharias' disagreed with Jesus about him being Elijah. Is Jesus not just the Christ, while leaving 'that prophet' for somebody else, a person that was not identified throughout the lifetimes of Jesus and John who was murdered by beheading and never for once complaint about the certain peril he was about to be his fate.

^^^^^^^^^^ the cry of an 'one' his god already predicted that he will deny.


your statement above is false similar in degree and reward to those 'healers' who caste out demons an performed great miracles using Jesus name, yet they will condemned by that very Jesus.


your works [false statement above and its like] are filthy rag, according to Jesus who has promised to deny you.


i will not dignify you more than this, since your statement is unimportant, unable to deny that Jesus promised after him there will be many prophets that will come, all of whom will be false prophets except one.


anyone who has ability to think will see, clearly that the 'test' of spirit/prophet from God will not be necessary if all the prophets that will come after Jesus are all false. we read what Jesus said [test the spirit to see if it is from God for many false prophets have gone out into the world]. in your mind, i hope you are able to provide why there is a need for the test if all are gonna be false prophet after him?


i see why people like you conveniently ignore the action/duties of the 'another comforter' who you dubiously call 'ghost'. how will ghost be talking to human beings, especially when when he was to hear and repeats what he heard? is ghost which for your wild convenience called god in the trinity need to hear from himself as Yahweh so that he can know what Yahweh wants him to say? how does ghost hears from God and speak to humans, when Moses, Jesus and previous human beings as prophets heard from God and spoke to humans? they had voices that people heard. they had forms. they were physical. how does your ghost fit any of these and what did he lead the disciples to as in lead to all truth?

how did he correct the disciples as in he will correct when Jesus just left as you stake penticost as the great event that the ghost performed his duties, forgetting that Jesus just left his followers just less than couples of months? unless their minds are nuclear waste how could they have forgotten what a great teacher taught them for three years so soon?

the bible either indicted the disciples or Jesus or the bible writers or combination of the guilty parties from among them and whoever follows that party if penticost was when what Jesus said came about. finally, if it was penticost, the ghost stopped on that very day, so how are today's christians claiming any continuation of ghostly activity? use your mind the rest will follow.

An Ethiopian Orthodox Easter in Lalibela

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMd2qMFpSvM&feature=related


Early Christians Prayer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLFeldPG3Y&NR=1


Jews are praying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNxLF0ILFgw&feature=related


Jewish Rabbi & Christians praying like Muslims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvRfftVrh0w


The above are just examples of proofs that while ancient traditions of prayers among the Jews and Christians mimic what is with the muslims, neither the Jews nor the Christians have been consistent as communities among their own religious brother and sisterhood to agree on a singular pattern of prayer. Notice that the Christian commentator said, falsely I dare to say that Islam adopted what was original mode of prayers of the Christians. He had no clue about this "christian prayers" before arriving in the Coptic community, worse is his lie against Islam, considering that Islam was praying as muslim prays today from the time of Muhammad [AS], long before Islam reached Egypt.

Now Olaadegbu, how did you, a protestant abandon the "earliest" mode of Christian prayers [standing up, bowing and prostrating] according to what the BBC commentator alluded to in the piece on the Coptic and definitely how Jesus prayed in the Garden of Geshemane?


Are you following a false way of worship? Who told you that you must not stand, bow and prostrate yourself in prayers which you prepared for by washing your feet, among other external parts of the body including the face, hands, etc?


How is the Bad Tree with its Bad Fruit not including you here?

@Olaadegbu: #32 on: May 13, 2011, 12:39 PM »
[Quot]Quote from: Sweetnecta on May 12, 2011, 12:54 AM
After Prophet Jesus [as] [check your bible to know what i wrote <<<< and what i am writing next >>>>] there was a single 'true' prophet [AS] from God.

the rest ^^^^^ todd and co included are false prophets and they say other things than what Jesus said was the hallmark of 'true prophet' would say.

Jesus son of Mary is the christ is the test.

anything more than that is false. hence false prophets.

False Prophets And True

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:11).

In the apostolic period, two main gifts of the Spirit were those of the apostle and prophet. In fact, the church itself was "built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets" (Ephesians 2:20). One function of these men was to receive and transmit God’s revelation to His people—first verbally, then eventually written in permanent form in the New Testament. "Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit" (Ephesians 3:5).

The Apostle Paul revealed also that such prophecies would cease once they were no longer needed. "When that which is perfect [or ‘complete’] is come, then that which is in part shall be done away" (I Corinthians 13:9,10). Clearly in the context, this refers to the complete revelation of God. When the last book of the Bible was transmitted to the church by the last living apostle, the Lord warned us neither to "add unto" nor to "take away from the words of the book of this prophecy" (Revelation 22:18,19).

But many false prophets have indeed "gone out into the world" (I John 4:1), just as Jesus warned, and they have "deceived many." One of them, a self-asserted seventh century "prophet" from Arabia, received certain "revelations" from a "god" that were vastly different from those of the God of the Bible, and his followers now number over a billion.

There have been others, before and since, and the Lord Jesus warned us always to "beware of false prophets" (Matthew 7:15). The basic criterion by which to test any alleged prophecy, ancient or modern, is whether or not it fully conforms to the written word of God, the Bible. "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20). HMM

For more . . . .[quote][/Quote]I wish Olaadegbu and his ilk can stand behind the first bold and wager their faith on it, so that I can use the Bible to destroy that false assumption. It is this false assumption that they use to arrive at the second bold. The two are your false claims. Below are my reasons;

(1). Did Jesus say there will be only "false prophets" that will come after him, therefore no single True Prophet will come after him?

I start my answer by defining what a "True Prophet" must be. Wikepedia defines prophet thus;-

In religion, a prophet is a person who has directly encountered God, of whose intentions he can then speak [Analysis; Islam is a religion and Muhammad [AS] came after Jesus and he says he is speaking the Intentions of God Who he says Allah is His Name. This is similar to Moses who says he was speaking the Intentions of God Whom he called Yahweh [if he actually called Him that] when he was speaking to Pharaoh].

Is Muhammad not the True Prophet after Jesus while the others were false Prophets? While Jesus spoke about many false prophets to come after him, he acknowledged that at least, a True Prophet of God will come after him by the below;

Did Jesus say that he is the last prophet sent from God ? No.

Did Jesus say that no one will come after him ? No.

The fact is that Jesus warned his people from the false prophet, but he never said no one will come after me.

Let us read I John 4:1-3

1. Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2. This is[b] how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,[/b] 3. but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. (NIV) [We see that the above is saying that at least One Spirit is expected from God]

False prophets; The following verses (Matthew 7:15–23) are from the Sermon on the Mount:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them." [Muhammad [AS] never pretended to be something he was not firm in his commitment. His followers after him stood in firmness of what he brought, not changing a bit. Both he and them said Jesus is the Christ. Is there another test to grade his fruit, unless if the grader is insincere?]


"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. . . . For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect – if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time" (Matthew ;24 NIV). [is it possible that Muhammad [as] fits "false prophet" considering that "time" and prevailing events and conditions are parts of the overall qualities of the false prophet[s]? great signs are what many complained that Muhammad did not perform].


"Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets" (Luke NIV). [and not men speak well of Muhammad [as] proving that he was not a false prophet by OT and NT [spoken by Jesus].

This was some 570 years before the birth of Prophet Muhammad [AS].

That means Jesus is not the last True prophet sent by God ! Also means that there is at least another True prophet may come into the earth ! [Of course we already know that Jesus lacked 100% of the knowledge of the future, which Only God is the One Who Knows it]

So how can we know that this prophet that will come after Jesus is send from God or not ? Do we need more that Jesus to know what Jesus said about a possible single True Prophet to come after him, while others will be false prophets? Why argue with other parts of the Bible except what may be possible that Jesus said [which can only be found in the canonized Gospels]? Can we trust what say Jesus is the speaker in the Corinthians, etc after the gospels?

Jesus said: ”but test the spirits to see whether they are from God” [Spirits in this group will be all false Spirits/Prophets except One that must come from God. If there is no single True Spirit/Prophet that he is proposing to come from God, even though Jesus did not know when this Spirit/Prophet will come, we should now ask ourselves what reason can Jesus have in telling us to TEST the Spirit[s] to see if anyone of them is Truly From GOD? This very statement to "test" tells us that the True Spirit from God will be a True prophet from God. Smart people should examine what Jesus said of the Another Comforter that will be sent from God, coming to speak only what he hears from God to the people (after Jesus) so that this Another Comforter corrects, guides, leads to all truth and speaks not of himself while he correctly honors Jesus. If it applies to any one who claims that he is a prophet after Jesus, can we just say such a person is a false prophet, if he apply the test that Jesus proposed?].


True Prophet; So let us test this spirit :

“Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God”

So note, the person who confesses that Jesus is the Christ, is from God. Those who do not confess that Jesus is the Christ are the anti-Christ. How many anti christ[s] are expected?

so why don’t you apply this test to Muhammad [AS]?

Therefore Muhammad is from God, the prophet Muhammad did confess that Jesus is the Christ; Muhammad never confessed that Jesus is NOT the Christ.

Read these verses from the Holy Quran:


-“Behold! the angels said “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.( Qur’an 3:45-51)


-“It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step) in truth the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this as a guide to mankind and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong”. (Qur’an 3:1-6 )



-Say ye: “We believe in Allah, And the revelation given to us, And to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, And that given to Moses and Jesus And that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: We make no difference Between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).” (Holy Qur’an 2:136).

Do you know that any Muslim who doesn’t believe in Jesus peace be upon him is not a Muslim and he will be thrown in hell forever. Are the Christians still saying that by their fruits we shall know them? The fruits of Muhammad [AS] holds Jesus in high esteem. Is that a bad tree yielding bad fruits, when we apply Jesus own words and tests?

Do you know that Prophet Muhammad was mentioned by name in the Quran only 4 times whereas Jesus Christ’s name was honorably mentioned 25 times, and Mary is mentioned in the Quran 33 times.

-Could the Prophet go to such an extent of honoring someone more than himself if he had written the Quran?

-There is a chapter in the Quran entitled and dedicated to “Mary”, the mother of Jesus Christ, while there is no chapter called, or dedicated to, the Prophet’s own mother, Aminah, or daughter, Fatimah, nor were their names mentioned in the Quran. Could this have happened if the Prophet was the author of the Quran?

-Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, is glorified in the Quran as a “woman of all nations”. Why would the Prophet glorify a woman he had never seen and one from another race, saying that she was chosen (by God) above all women unless the formulation of the verses had nothing to do with the Prophet’s own authorship but that he only repeated what was inspired to him by God?

^^^^^^^^^^^ there is heaven and there are paradise and hell in it.

heaven[s] are 7 levels and that is not the place that anyone will end up

paradise is many levels.

hell has many grades from bad to worst parts.

@inked nerd; go to fulton and rogers turning to bedford. ask for sheikh yusuf, sheikh ilyas for starter.

bad message. its like an epidemic.

it kills the soul though the body looks fine.



i'm wearing 9ja style of clothing. i'm thinking you are in your jeans and sweat shirt.

@congoshine « #174 on: Today at 09:54:54 AM »
[Quote]
E wo gan gan l'owe yen bawi. Admit it you're completely blinded by your beliefs.[/Quote]is it because bush snr didn't know or sanctioned it forward [maybe] his one world order agenda, that the 'owe' is talking to me? and i'm blinded by my beliefs because i spoke the truth about bush snr, while you say below that you have a grudge with america for your own reason. who is at fault here?



[Quote]Well, this is Islamic thread not American thread. No one is saying America is good . I personally have a grudge against them because they have supported corrupt leaders in my country.

My point is -Human beings are generally EVIL. Americans,Christians,Muslims,black ,white etc.[/Quote]if you know humans are generally evil, what prevents you from not as evil as the 'human beings in general'? are you saying that your lack of Abrahamiic religion is responsible dealing by your instinct, alone without any religious code to make it robust in your heart? it is the abrahamic religion that guides those of us who are in it helps us not to be 'instinctive' in our affairs, though inspite of that evil of 'human being' will raise its ugly head. if we imagine that those evil people in abrahamic religion do not have that religion that they follow, i assure you that their degree of evil will be much worse than what you complain about, today. of course i do not recommend any evil, but i must let you know that inspite of religion, people still give in to evil. you who is 'irreligious' will be a better person with less evil if you adopt islam among the three, even if you think you are a non evil person right now. your goodness will be much higher.



[Quote]However,typical muslim 'victim ' ideology from conspiracy theorists like you - can never see anything wrong with muslims - no its always the kafirs that control everything.[/Quote]i never played the victim card. there are things wrong with muslims; we abandon a good part of islam. even you say that i am a disbeliever [kafir] in your irreligious dogma.



[Quote]When Saddam gassed his muslim country men,women & children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack) - its must be America , when he fought against Shia Iran for 7 years and  over 1 million people died - it must be the Americans.[/Quote]was reagan presidency not a factor in the reason the un was not able to condemn iraq on the use chemical?

[Quote]He invaded Kuwait because he said it was part of Iraq until the 19th century,surely America is at fault.

When I pray you will a muslim like saddamever be at fault ??[/Quote] www.moderateindependent.com/v2i4911reality.htm - Cached - Similar
APR 16 - 30, 2004
VOL. 2 ISSUE 8
                                                     WHAT ACTUALLY LED TO 9/11
Most Americans Simply Don’t Know The Facts: That George Bush Told Saddam It Would Be Ok To Invade Kuwait, Leading To Gulf War I, Which Turned Osama Against Us, Which Led To 9/11 and Gulf War II – And No, This Is Not A Joke And Yes, It Is Documented

by Samuel A. Stanson

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [Quote]« #3 on: Yesterday at 11:27:59 AM »

Quote from: greateros on May 09, 2011, 08:38 AM
@aloy-emeka are u a Muslim? Shocked Shocked Shocked

God forbid bad thing! Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed[/Quote]i'm i a tribalist and have igbo paranoia? why?
how you came to this conclusion is beyond my imagination.

After Prophet Jesus [as] [check your bible to know what i wrote <<<< and what i am writing next >>>>] there was a single 'true' prophet [AS] from God.


the rest ^^^^^ todd and co included are false prophets and they say other things than what Jesus said was the hallmark of 'true prophet' would say.


Jesus son of Mary is the christ is the test.


anything more than that is false. hence false prophets.

^^^^^^^^^^^ thats a horrible word and harsh tone.

i'm not going to throw the same word back at you.

was christianity the first religion of igbo people? you are igbo or you are not?


was christianity the first religion of mankind being represented by our father Adam?


i tell you; islam was his [AS] religion.

@ode remo^^^^^^^^^^^^^ we will not refuse a christian blood because he/she is human and islam is about preservation of life.


however, just because we will not refuse something of the christian does not mean we accept everything from them; pork is a good example.

and when it comes to belief we reject trinity, though we accept jesus [as] the prophet.


And it is about God and His Laws and Commandments. it is not always about love first. such love is insincerity if its intent is not for God. so God is first.


i love that little town call ode remo. my blood is from there. someday, i will visit my ancestral home there. [eeso o].

go to mosques in the bronx, brooklyn and manhattan.

thee are many hausas from nigeria in these places.

even many born in the states.

@oldtime; [Quote]I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” John 14;6. Find out in your Quran if there is any such assertion by your protagonist[/Quote]did jesus say the above differently from what any earlier prophet meant as being the one to follow in his time? i am very confident that God did not tell Jesus he is the only way from the time of Adam [as] to the last man on earth. how can jesus be the only way when he did not arrive until uncountable generation of people have died, yet he didn't stick around till the last man, while he left the honor to the 'another comforter' [maybe different kind of the same thing, but not the same thing as the former comforter or spirit]?

the another comforter who shall hear and repeat what he hears from God to man; thereby correcting them of their former mistakes [so what mistake was it that the disciple made already by penticost?], leading them to all truth [which truth jesus didn't lead them to before he left?], glorifying jesus [what glory was there to give if it is true that jesus is God, a situation that you said was established already, before jesus left, unless it was a lie so that the 'glory' that another comforter will give about jesus is the correct one [muhammad [as] said jesus was a human prophet sent to his people and not to the world, and a son of a pious woman] shall remain with the hearer of his speech forever, just as jesus remained. incidentally, jesus is not here, yet we speak about him, the reason he remains with us even now. we also speak about adam, enoch, noah, abraham , etc, yet none of them is here. the only test jesus gave about who the true prophet will be after him is that the prophet will say 'jesus is the christ' and nothing else about jesus being God and or son of God.

Allah says in the Quran that it is not possible for a messenger/prophet who is given revelation, wisdom and guidance to say other than worship God, alone.  this is sufficient to disprove your above claims, especially when jesus said that he was powerless without the One Who sent him, weakening the concept of trinity since he use the word 'One'. we know God will not send God on an errant, if they are truly God[s].



[Quote]Even your Mohammed made an affirmed statement of his doubts about his eternal security because he rejected the Lord Jesus.
Hear what Mohammed said in the Hadith By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me.” (Hadith 5.266) But then[b] in the Quran the Muslim is commanded to “Obey God and His Apostle” (surah 3:32) and to follow his example.[/b] This is also very contradictory. If Muhammad was unsure of his eternal destination and yet Muslims are suppose to follow his example, how can they be sure of their eternal destination?[/Quote]the first bold is similar to why jesus said Only God knows the time of the hour. every future decision is in the hand of God, alone. by the bold you have shown that God honored Muhammad [as] and that he belongs to paradise along with those who follow him in obedience to Qurqn 3/32.

paradise in mentioned many times in the Quran. who do you think it is meant for, especially when you guys say the muslims expects 72 virgins in there? are you not just kidding yourself at best since christians are not expecting this type of paradise? is there a muslim that will enter paradise while his leader Muhammad [as] who his Lord says he must follow will not enter before him?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ he doesn't know tat bit of information about bush snr.

how about the support of reagan/bush snr for iraq against iran who kept yanks as hostages for over 400 days?

have you heard about gobanifah ever?

you know this iran/contra affairs [gate] was what got attorney general casey out of nyc in big soup.


have you ever heard of oliver north, and the others in that group of shadow operation?

kaka ka fi enukan ba ole wi, won nso fun oninkan pe ibi ti o gbe nkan e si o dara.

^^^^^^^^^^^ and they say nostradamus statements are like prophetic statement; 100% correct. is that inspired, too and there it doesn't matter who wrote it also, prophet or not?

satan could be correct in the eyes of those who are disobedient to God, the reason they take falsehood as truth, since it doesn't matter who said it, as long as it comes to past.

and in all your argument for the bible in the eyes of the jews, you avoided to mention the new testament and jesus since you know that it will fall on its own weight.

is nt and jesus not the other part of the bible like ot and moses were the earlier part, if truly it does not matter when you are telling us about the jews and the bible?


i guess its partial bible that does not matter to the jews, while the nt and jesus will tear from the weak threading of their seams.



its a good thing you dock your head because the people who know how to yab will yab you plenty.

^^^^^^^^^^^ and you are in christianity!

abeg comot for road.

igbos are not jews.

even jews are not christians.

the bad thing is that you see truth you are avoiding it as if the 'makeup' thing you carry is not bad enough for your eyes to see.

^^^^^^^^^^^ the voice of an insincere disputant.


i am speaking about islam, you are speaking about those who say they are muslim nations.


when person or group claims islam, you look at their core outlook. if it is different from islamic injunction, you point out their flaws to them.
the ruling are Quran and Sunnah, the reason we know that almajiris are far from being Almuhajirun [ra].

iraq of sadaam hussaine invaded kuwait in 1990 not without the knowledge of bush senior who was the vp during the time the same iraq was killing iran, with funds from iran/contra affairs that reagan did not remember what he was doing in a particular day, indirectly pleading 5th.

while i do not say that there are no evils done by muslims. indvidually or nations, none of it can christianity or judaism show us a clean hand from.


if wealth is equal to morality, then america is the most moral country on earth, regardless of the federal deficit. it is in america that we have people claiming to be god[s]. and some extreme immorality like homosexuality, etc are not uncommon.

please dont bring up your humanist agenda over here when you do not even understand the instinct of humanity. you cant argue away your false good nature when you reject divine guidance. this is the reason you think that their is no reason what so ever that human society may morally 'stop' evil in my 'a group checking another' expression.

whats the purpose of life? why are you here?

@divinereal and congoshine;
[Quote]Lastly, Muslims and Arabs are not the only people that have been exploited by another group of people, Europeans and their descendants exploited each other and conquered many nations around the world, enslaved Africans, nearly annihilated native Americans and fought each other. Arabs/Muslims fought wars, enslaved and exploited each other, Europeans, berbers, Africans and fought wars all over the world. The Japanese did the same. Africans conquered and enslaved each other. The same for Asians etc etc. Why is it that most of the world has moved on and trying to build a better humanity while Muslims including those in Northern Nigeria, Palestine, India, Somalia, Philipines, China, Russia, Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt (and pretty much anywhere there is a significant amount of muslims) refuse to live in peace with their christian, jewish, hindu, buddist, atheist, communist, animist, polytheist, capitalist neighbors. My last question is not in reference to each individual Muslims but just a pattern that is very glaring. The Japanese and German have US troops on their land and their people were killed and even bombed with the Atomic bomb (Japan) but we dont see them angry or playing victim with the west or anybody for that matter.
Thank you[/Quote]are you guys for real, or are you playing the ostrich head in the sand? Allah says in the Quran that if He does not check people with another people [less evil or whose evil is not like the evil of the people to be checked [eg. straight checking homosexual]], evil [that particular evil if you will] will overrun the earth [accepted as good and not what it is; evil].

it is Islam and the cryout of muslims in general that shame so many in their conscience to contrive and dont go along with the evil masses, or act as the unmovable barrier against evil. islamic struggle of the afghan mujahhiddin[s] led to the collapse of USSR, a thing that USA and the west/nato could not do in the cold war era. carter and reagan regimes praised and supported the muslims, knowing that USSR was doomed in the hands of the muslims. reagan did not say 'tear down this wall' until USSR was a shadow of her former self.

mark you it is the west and always the west that is afraid od the unity of muslims world; there is oau, nato, eecu, nafta, but a mere kalifah office to unite muslims every group have stood against it. my question to you is why is this?

the muslims were the people who help the coptics of egypt against rome. she was the one that liberated jews and christians of europe in iberia penisula against king rudreguez and his sect of christian supporters. let me just say that europe renaissance stood on the back of what islam brought.

in recent history, england overlords in india pretended as if they were muslims when they created rift between the muslims and the majority hindus by killing sacred cows in the sight of the hindus, but far away that they can escape so that they are not caught and the truth is known.

england created lawrence of arabia to topple the ottoman turks kalifa by exciting the arabs to revolt.

no one wants anyone to convert by force, considering that if the heart is not converted, the tongue is insincere. but it is this type of conversion that spanish inquisition is all about!


and just because japan and germany lay down to die does not mean this is the correct position, especially when the american founding fathers shouted 'give me liberty [freedom that is inert from God] or give me death'. no one wishes to be oppressed. i may not like the method employed in the muslim struggle, but i will not say struggle is not a fact that must come to play. it is the tactics that must be changed, however to meet islam guideline of fair due process of struggle.


instead of you guys condemning oppression, you are blaming the victims.


you may advice that the victim practice justice, but blaming them you must not, if you are sincere.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ you are incorrigible in your linear thinking.

single story fits your emotion. discovering other ideas which were unknown to you before is rejected off handed by you.


this is not the way to go.

@Thehomer; something to interest you in the nature of man and ability to hide the truth when lie is intended to speak volume about how some see women and powerful women are not immune and how lies can be made to overcome truth.

today on hoffpost aolnews, the below is the headline with just a few lines of the news content. please do your own research.

Hillary Clinton Removed From Situation Room Photo By Der Tzitung, Hasidic Newspaper (PHOTOS)

First Posted: 05/ 9/11 07:17 AM ET Updated: 05/ 9/11 04:21 PM ET


A Brooklyn-based Hasidic newspaper removed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and another woman from the now-iconic photo of the Obama national security team watching the raid that killed Osama bin Laden from the White House Situation Room.

The original photo, taken as the raid was occurring, famously shows Clinton in the center of the room, with her hand over her mouth. But the newspaper Der Tzitung, described by the Jewish Week as "ultra-Orthodox," has a policy of never printing photos of women in its pages because it thinks they could be sexually suggestive. Thus, Clinton and counterterrorism director Audrey Tomason, who was seen standing at the back of the room, were removed from the picture.

The blogger Failed Messiah was the first to notice the Photoshopping.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i have watched many videos of various arguments.

go and listen to the jewish terrorists tell it how they destroyed king david hotel in jerusaem of the 1940s.

this incident was what got britain out of 'palestine' so that israel could be formed.

enter 'jewish terrorists of king david hotel', and video of the story may just come up.


the old jewish man telling his story said in his arab looking robe that he wore as disguise, people were looking at him running quickly to the column he was assigned to in the lobby.

he quickly placed his keg of dynamite [bomb] withe wire line [detonation cord] as instructed and ran out. people say him but they went about their business not knowing that what is coming next is disaster.

look. did disaster happened on 911? yes.

did the world see many innocent lives lost that day? yes.

were all the people who died that day on wtc? at least the hijackers were not innocent, yet they died. that is if this is not another gulf of tonki family of events like the bay of pig or scenario that was planned but got the planner fired by president kennedy for its evil.

are there people who are alive today who are guilty of 911? yes. those who planned it. those who knew about it and didn't report it and allowed it to happen.

we can talk about this for a lifetime until the whole truth comes to light by those who knew it but not talking. the best we can do is to guess. but certainly something terrible happened and many lives were lost.


and your questions about if the 'hijackers' were muslims is summed up this way; if they were truly muslims they would not have spread corruptions on earth like that. calling yourself a muslim may not mean that you if you ignore the essence of islam. it is simlar to those who call themselves prophets of God, even today. are they really prophets?

yet many people accept them as prophets when they have no authority and no proof that they have mandate from God. there are people walking the surface of this earth today who allowed the evil of 911 to happen. they lied and concealed the truth just like 'yellow cake from niger' was the lie put forward while the truth was concealed to start the iraqi war.

my man, i am done going in endless conversation on what does not benefit you or . nothing has brought closure to the raw emotion that many felt from that day.

the towers fell on the muslims worldwide. and fell hard onmuslims in the west. and muslims in america and new york city will not be able to shk it off for generations to come, unless if there is a 'truth' out there that points to some other source[s].

@Thehomer; « #41 on: Today at 06:45:46 PM »
[Quote]In that case, I have to conclude that you've chosen to go with a conspiracy theory.
I wonder what a free fall demonstrates since we know that gravity was not suspended.
Your claim of sequential explosions is baffling because demolition experts have acknowledged that the amount of explosives needed and their placements would have been noticed by people who work in those buildings among other things.
Since you don't think that those planes brought down the buildings, I'll like to ask if you think that those planes were hijacked and crashed into those buildings by terrorists who wished to bring them down.[/Quote]new york city is the only place before 911 in the usa that people go about their businesses, not wanting to make eye contacts with anybody [and the condition still remains because you don't know what can come out of it], and walk with blinders on, not noticing anything else around them because of the single focus on the 'mission'.

'minding your own business' is the reason people are shocked when they hear of horrible news/incidents that happened in their community. they have not been putting their noses into the affairs of others. the 'if you see something say something' slogan started in nyc after 911. what you will hear for the most part from people before 911 is 'i never paid any attention to things that do not concern me because it is not my business'.

i do not think the planes alone brought the buildings down since a building that was not hit by any plane fell in the same exact fashion, while all of them had secondary explosions and fire, and the two towers were seen with molten steel flow even 6 weeks after the horrors.

i am sure you refused to watch the videos because you want to remain blind to any other possibility, knowing fully well that what you will see will shift your current position. anyway, its your decision. God Almighty alone knows everything.