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@Mrbible; « #46 on: Today at 01:18:40 PM »
[Quote]Sweetnecta

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my islam is after thorough analysis of others and even islam itself.

I think you are missing the point here I respect any religion you belong to. The Bible has it this to say:

Romans 2
14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. 16 And this is the message I proclaim—that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone’s secret life.[/Quote]i'm always wondering if those who call jesus the author and finisher of their faith know that they are not truthful by such a statement when the above verses are obvious proof that they are wrong. from the above, how can you say trinity when God is One is in your instinctive psyche and written in your heart? how is it that you can say God has a son when your heart knows it takes two to tango? how is it that the bold says God Alone judges through jesus while a lot of mankind passed before jesus ever arrived, yet you say the judges will include God, ghost, jesus 12 original tribe [or paul replaces judas, the friend and betrayer of jesus]? secret life is unknown; did jesus know the unknown? hardly. no.

i hope our discussion will benefit a reader out there, even me, if it does not benefit you. amin.

@gombs and mrbible; « #44 on: Today at 01:05:14 PM »
[Quote]Gombs

Jesus told the apostles that they would “Sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel” (Lk. 22:30). In what way would the apostles judge the twelve tribes of Israel?

Any one that truly follows Christ is his apostle.

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You see why i always say you are always out of point?now the verse you quoted,is distant from the matter at hand.meanwhile, Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant?to his own master he standeth or falleth.Yea he shall be holden up:for God is able to make him stand.[/Quote]how many judges are going to be there on the day?

1. God Almighty Alone?

2. God, jesus and ghost?

3. God, jesus, ghost, and 11 disciples since judas betrayed?

4. God, jesus, ghost and the original 12 disciples?

5. God, jesus, ghost, 12 disciples minus judas, but paul replaces him?

how many sitting, how many standing?

if all are sitting who is in the middle?

what is the sitting arrangement? who is closest to the father on the right side and who is the farthest, and who are in between? anyone on the left side at all; how that arrangement, too?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i dont know who is lying to himself wit what you wrote above, saying jesus made things easy for you considering jesus himself followed the laws which you wrote the below, about?

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« #41 on: Today at 11:05:49 AM »
Sweetnecta, Snowwy and others in your boat
The Law is a written code and it was difficult for anyone to keep the law as obeying one law will lead to braking another, an example was the law of the Sabbath.

my islam is after thorough analysis of others and even islam itself.

Olaadegbu say am holy as if that will make me look bad.

it is obvious that i am not, if jesus said no one is good except God.

my prayer however is that God will give me strength when death comes to me as my last word to say there is no deity along with God.

this will be head and shoulders above why has thou forsaken me, which is exactly saying why are you letting me die.

if you come to existence you must also perish from existence.

^^^^^^^^^^ you sing too much of a sad song.

your topic is last word[s of famous people. your bible recorded two different words for jesus. jesus is famous. i asked which is the last words. i know i could have said 'are or were', but 'words' here is sentence.

now, Olaadegbu, you skipped around before without answering. you turn around later to not answering still, but give me explanation of obviously a bad dose of 'my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?'. as if it will justify an obvious disbelieving statement!

imagine if David or any prophet or even when John son of Zacharias was going to be beheaded say this words. he will be correct in the my God, my God part. but people in christendom will point it out that the 'why has thou forsaken me?' part is a statement of low or unsure faith in God! until you can apply this to jesus, you will stay in your confusion.

yet, you cant even just tell me which of the two is the last words of jesus on the cross! continue to kid yourself. 30 years ago, it may have been cute or funny that you kidded yourself. you are now 30 years older. the same principle does not apply to you, but somebody 30 years younger/

in another 30 years you will have to accept that someday,you will die while you mr. invincible now is not thinking about it today, when the deadline of rapture expires many times on you, and you die as very old man.

at death reality will set in; you will able to see jesus son of mary [as], as who he was, a messenger of his Lord. like pharaoh, it will be unacceptable and serves as a regret when you finally realize that you have left guidance of God for the seductive way of satan who made the concept of trinity, man God, death on the cross, etc very attractive and plausible to you. satan is truly a deceiver. but his ways are weak if you have guidance from God Almighty.

@mrbible; it seems to me that in part the verses of matthews 24;4 and 7;23 and 24 do apply to you, if jesus labored to fulfill the laws and prophets and warned that all must do the same, turned around to turn all of that to love God and neighbor and you will be ok. what if you love, will that be alright if you never worshiped God as jesus did? no circumcision in the tradition of Abraham. no dietary law in the fashion of jacob and Moses. no prayer to God in the tradition of these men. no struggle against evil of all kind in the tradition of all of them. you think your love will amount to anything except empty words, because it is the cumulative of the above, etc that will make the love seem sincere.

[quote]« #41 on: Today at 11:05:49 AM »
Sweetnecta, Snowwy and others in your boat
The Law is a written code and it was difficult for anyone to keep the law as obeying one law will lead to braking another, an example was the law of the Sabbath.[/Quote]either you deceiving yourself or jesus gave you and impossible task? is this what God will resort to; give impossible law to a prophet for His creation to obey? and you people say christianity is easy and full of grace? this is ridiculous. grace would have made things easy for you to follow; a simple law even a child could understand and accept it. it should not require an impossibility. for example, if killing of animal was unattractive to those who hate the sight of blood, or expensive for poor people, killing of man is definitely worse in raw emotion. neither is the best option by simply saying it on your tongue meaning it sincerely in your heart cant have anything better than it. this is why islam answers while others fail.



[quote]Jesus tells us a new command I give you love one anther , if we all love one another there will be no need for any written law even in our society today.[/Quote]if i love you, but borrowed from you and unable to pay years after the due date, will written law not be necessary in the courts to enforce the true meaning of love one another insisting that i must pay you? you cant white wash reality because the reality is easy to see.



[Quote]Jesus tells us that we should do unto others what we would also like them to do to us and that this sums up the law and the prophets. [/Quote]a person who enjoys pain will inflict pain on you, because i will love you to do the same on him. but you dont want any pain! is the above 'summing up' of law and the prophets reasonable? i am sure it will not be acceptable every heart.



[Quote]When both husbands and wives apply this rule to their marriage then there will be no need to go and see a pastor, that is only interested in getting money coming into his church and for that reason the pastor will support any party that has a higher financial pulling power so that he or she can come and put their money in the pastor's church.[/Quote]i am not a christian. but marriage is more than money and power and position. it is coming together of male and female from different families to unite on one purpose as mates so that they are covers for each other.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is it 'it is finished' or 'in your hand do i commit my spirit'?

which one after it he gave up the ghost?

ghost again? is one ghost 'holy ghost' enough?

olaadegbu, what will you give up; ghost or soul?

Is mrbible for real telling us that jesus abolished ot? if he jesus did, why say 'who ever abolishes it or ask any to do so will be the least in the kingdom of heaven'?

@snowwy; « #28 on: Yesterday at 07:54:00 PM »

@MrBible,
Did you see that Christ did not tell the woman that she could go now as she is free from the law?
The 'Curse', 'Death' which the woman who committed adultery would have experienced is what Jesus 'nailed to the cross' not 'Do not commit adultery'.[/Quote] how did jesus do the bold? please show me the verse from the lips of jesus.
further is it not that the wages of sin is death? is there no sinless christian all these 2000 plus years, since noone have remained to live longer than their life expectancy? what purpose was jesus coming if people still died? dont answer if you dont know; chalk it up to rhetoric.



[quote]Jesus even said that if you look at a woman lustfully, you have committed adultery.
So you see that one has to be purged in his mind first before he can obey God's laws.

isn't that God gives law against adultery? is adultery no a sin by God, or it isn't, but jesus was preparing you by it against some other sin?



[Quote]Do you get me now?

The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus set this woman free from the Law of Sin and death.

Same thing for 'Do not kill'.
If you hate your brother, its like you have 'killed' him in your mind.
Thats what Christ means, infact it is even harder now to obey that is why the Hol Spirit is there to guide us.[/Quote]so those people jesus hated and called them adulterous nations, vipers, etc he had killed them by hating them by his words, because what lurks in the heart does come out from the mouth? how about 'why has thou forsaken me?'. to me thats hateful statement.



[Quote]Christ surmarised the laws of the OT by the new commandment He gave us which is to love God and our neighbours. That is what the whole law and the prophets was hinged on. Understand better now?[/Quote]you mean all the going to mount sinai for 40 days, and the fasts, etc of moses and all of other prophets amount to love your God and neighbors? what is true meaning of love your God and neighbors and would God allow all the generations of prophets and humanity to believe more than this simple statement is required, and finally let jesus tell the same jews who from moses have been killing their many a time defenseless neighbors? is this the only thing jesus bring? if love your God and neighbors are enough as obedience to God, what need is for jesus nailing on the cross, since obedience to God must definitely be enough to receive 'grace', 'mercy', 'forgiveness' etc of God? sometimes, the christians are not analytical at all.
you cant obey God and still be sinful, especially since God is Just and Merciful.

@Poser; sexyduby doesn't know what she is saying. i have never seen a christian that know what he or she is to do. turn the other cheek? forget, instead pre emptive strike as bush did with baseless lies for his reason.

an eye for an eye, as soon as the chance to hurt anyone is presented.

my answer is that the practitioners of the two religions have failed us.

the religions, for sure one is true or both are false have not failed us, because if you truly follow what islam says, you may not turn the other cheek, because it is truly not practical and definitely foolish, but you will not start any aggression and will not continue to fight when youe opponent seek peace from you.

true muslim is rare.

i also believe the same for christians because i do think anyone has ever turned the other cheek.

@sexyduby; what reason do you have for what you wrote?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what jesus did as you posted it above, is that turning the other cheek?

there was no slap of the other cheek, there was no willing offer of the other cheek and those who truly offer the other cheek can only demonstrate it when they are in position of strength, not when the one will sap the other cheek is in the position of power to just slap it as he wishes.

a man who was wronged and in position of power to avenge, but chooses to forgo the revenge is the one who shows mercy. not the man who is weak and when the powerful strikes him he says i forgive, because in reality he cant do anything unless he really want a beat down, from the powerful who the weak claimed he is forgiving. but it is empty forgiveness.

@Snowwy; « #21 on: Today at 03:27:09 PM »[
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Snowwy
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What Jesus abolished was carnal (or fleshly) commandments and ordinances, and hand written ordinances. Carnality was what defeated people in the Old Testament, and prevented them from keeping the law. Because the blood of bulls and goats did not remove the sin from the heart (Hebrews 10:4), people were often stuck in bondage to sin (Romans 7:14-24). Why?[quote][/Quote]show me the verse from jesus that says the above, if you are not making it up. i know that jesus had nothing to do with hebrews 10;4, romans 7; 14-24. why quote them and say this is what jesus did or recommended? did jesus say anything outside the 4 gospels? no. i am sure 100%.



@MrBible' [Quote]So why then are we told that:

Galatians 3:10 (Whole Chapter)
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

You should go and study the Old Testament Laws to know what these laws are about.[/Quote]is jesus the author of galatians? absolutely, not. so it does not matter, if you can even get it from the 4 gospels there is no need debating it.

@MrBible; « #20 on: Today at 03:13:51 PM »
[quote]Sweetnecta
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Is the blood from Jesus, or somebody else?

Jesus said "dont think i came to destroy the laws or the prophets. i come to fulfill both. for i say to you, even the smallest jot, whosoever abolishes it and or encourages anyone to do so shall be the least in the kingdom of heaven [this least place are met for those who disobey this statement from jesus]

this above quote from jesus, is it in the same line with colossians 2;14?

if yes, prove it.

if no, which one is correct, which one is therefore wrong?

which one are you following, so that you do not become those who will end up in the 'least' as jesus stated it above?

My advice to you is to apply wisdom when reading the Bible because it was Jesus that told us to turn the other cheek if someone strikes us on one cheek.

But when Jesus was struck on the face he did not turn the other cheek but this was his reply

John 18
22 When Jesus said this, one of the guards standing near Jesus slapped his face and said, "Is that how you answer the chief priest?"

23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?[/Quote]if there is a group that are true hypocrites, but pretend not to or just ignorant of its condition, you will be correct if you use christians as the poster child, in their claim to be following jesus son of mary. i asked you, mrbible questions about jesus versus colossians, you are going about talking about slapping the face of Jesus! is this the proper answer to obedience to jesus by following OT and not abolishing it, so that you do not become one of the least in the kingdom of heaven?

if you think it is an answer, it is absolutely an irrelevant one. you are raising more issues and showing us in reality that you do not follow jesus, or even listen to him. you can find every verse that will muddy the issue, you will never be able to show us that Jesus said you should not follow the OT, a thng he followed himself, and warned you not to disobey. lip service that not even get beyond the tip of your tongue will definitely not get to your throat. You are not taking jesus seriously, but paul and those who give you avenue to disobey him, you follow.

@ezeUche; « #7 on: Today at 01:20:27 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: gentlem80 on Today at 01:08:59 PM
were ni awon people i sha, That is what these mallams are known for-violence. I just pray for thr unity of the country after this election

Why pray for the unity of this country, when these people always riot? I am getting tired of it. These riots have been happening for over 70 years!
[/Quote]are for real in the bold?
70 years of right, man? tell me when was the first so that i know you can calculate 70 years?

if this was not a serious issue, i was going to say that you are too skiddish. not firm on your feet at all.
imagine that yoruba people just this moment wish to get out of nigeria. how are you going to beat them down so that they can remain in, when a mere riot in the north get you tired out? i do pray no more war in nigeria, because one is one too many for us who experienced it.

dont respond to the yoruba issue part. i write it so that you can think about what you said on thread where you think you are the king of the road. but please let me know how you get 70 years of northern riot. that will be 1941 or 1940 as the year of the first riot.

if these people understand islam, they will not be looting, destroying, stealing.

each of the above is forbidden.

@mrbible: « #12 on: Today at 11:54:23 AM »
[quote]Sweetnecta
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maybe you dont know that OT is part of the christian bible and jesus said he came to fulfill it, as in live out its ruling so that you can copy him, exactly the same way for your life. this is the very reason he said that no one must abolish even the least of its jots, such a one will become the least in the kingdom of heaven.

So why don't christians today offer 'Burnt Offering' to God, is it not in the Old Testament?

Jesus came to set us free from many of the old testament ways.

Colossians 2:14
Bible in Basic English
Having put an end to the handwriting of the law which was against us, taking it out of the way by nailing it to his cross;[/Quote]Is the bold from Jesus, or somebody else?

Jesus said "dont think i came to destroy the laws or the prophets. i come to fulfill both. for i say to you, even the smallest jot, whosoever abolishes it and or encourages anyone to do so shall be the least in the kingdom of heaven [this least place are met for those who disobey this statement from jesus]


this above quote from jesus, is it in the same line with colossians 2;14?

if yes, prove it.

if no, which one is correct, which one is therefore wrong?

which one are you following, so that you do not become those who will end up in the 'least' as jesus stated it above?

Allahu Akbar Kabira!

OLaadegbu avoided by question, above.

No christian is coming to help him, either.

o ga o.


Is "my God, my God, why thou forsaken me?" not a bad statement from a believer?

@Mrbible; « #9 on: Today at 09:10:29 AM »
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no wonder the bible puts all the blame of the shortcoming of Adam and Eve on Eve, washing Adam clean of it.
I don't know which Bible you are reading, Christians are followers of Jesus Christ and if you read the book of Matthew to John which gives us all the words spoken by Jesus there is no where he puts any blame on women.[/Quote]Did Jesus discuss Adam and Eve and their experience in the garden? No.
if he did, please post the verse.

if he did not, then are you denying that no part of the bible did?

if you are first on that position, then you have not followed the bible or specifically Jesus who you identified by name when you gave the opinion and that you are God fearing, but you didn't qualify your wife with the same quality of 'God fearing'.


maybe you dont know that OT is part of the christian bible and jesus said he came to fulfill it, as in live out its ruling so that you can copy him, exactly the same way for your life. this is the very reason he said that no one must abolish even the least of its jots, such a one will become the least in the kingdom of heaven.


in heaven there is paradise. there is also hell. if you dont even acknowledge the OT how are you following jesus, never mind the aspect of the human addition, subtraction, changes, etc, which is another thing altogether?

i am not a christian. but i must defend the honor of Jesus son of Mary from the many false statements by people for and on his behalf;

we all know that jesus was not a christian.

he didn't start christianity.

he didn't say he was the only way from Adam till end of mankind to God.

he didn;t say i am your God, so worship me.

he did not say that no prophet will come after him, the reason he warned that they should be aware of 'false prophets'.

he didn't have a religion that was different from the religion of Abraham which was the same religion of Adam, Noah, etc.

jesus didn't say he was the son of God as in begotten [sired].

etc, etc.

rapture, i swear by God will never happen, because every man will die, including jesus when he comes back.

if you think you will not die, it is similar to denial that sleep will never over take you.
everyone will hurry to die when death comes similar to a thirsty person hurrying to gulp down cold drink.


i hope no one will open him/herself up for regret for not listening to reason when at death they see where they are heading.
the fire of hell will burn the whole body; inside and outside, including all parts between the innermost and the outermost all at the same time. and it will be repeated and the one being punished can never ever get used to the punishment. and there is no hope of escaping it. what is everlasting for the evil doers who say there is no God and or God is many and or has a son is the fire.

@poser; we praise Allah only. but we send salutation and seek blessing of Allah on the messenger [as].

^^^^^^^^^^^^^it is Allah Who makes muslims.

sometimes the tide of iman decreases. its like being a mumin in the morning. and y night fall not so much.

we pray that we are people who reach jannah without being punished in naar first. amin.


yoruba muslims and muslims all over the world need to step up so that the non muslims around them, regardless of their tribe[s] so that islam can rub off on them.

@mynd_44; i'm sure that friend did not tell you that smoking is permissible in Islam.

@lepasharon; i'm certain that Quran does say that women can be nude, so that depraved minded men can catcall them.
they say money and sometimes women are at the root of almost all evil of men.

for sure money and men play big time role in the evil that plague women.

tell me how Quran figure in your judgment.

mrbible thinks that women cant be God fearing from the way he wrote about the gender, above.

no wonder the bible puts all the blame of the shortcoming of Adam and Eve on Eve, washing Adam clean of it.

if this is what christianity teaches about women, it is a sad sad story.


by the way how is jesus the author of your faith when he is jewish by tradition and in the same religion as Abraham? was either a christian?

and how is jesus the finisher of your faith, when paul spearheaded christianity till he finished it, while it was the people of antioch who said 'christians', where christianity came about?

let me know what role jesus son of mary [as] played in christianity.

if the christians dont know, they should not say it is not there because they do not see it. after all many christians argue that not everything jesus said was recorded. further, what is recorded is not exactly what he said every time.

proof; a son can say his father is his God, and stop there. he will say that he is the next, hence worship me.
the mother of such a child will be the wife. so if the mother is not the wife and the son of the woman has a God, Who is also the God of the mother, the son can never be His son, while some say he is even the begotten or unique as swaggart said, son.

further, why worship a God if you are God already, unless you are no really God is the correct position?

@lepasharon^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what makes a 'prophet' a false prophet?

what fruit shall he be known by?


please give example of each so that we can know the false prophet and what fruit he brings and known by.

thanks.

if you wish, you can give us example of not 'false prophet and his fruit which he will be known by'.


i do know that jesus is alleged to have spoken those sentences while alive.


did he infer that he meant anyone outside the border of the 12 nations of israel? did he say there will not be any prophet sent to any people even to the whole world for the first time, since jesus was sent to the children of israel, only?

in the above, please use your bible to answer any and all question[s]. jesus knows himself best among mankind.

but God Almighty knows jesus better and if He tell a past or later prophet about jesus, then we have to accept what is provided by that prophet if we believe in God.

^^^^^^ Before you jump on my parents [it is least of my worries since you are insulting your Creator], based on your history that i have read when you get angry, you asked for a third person; singular, i gave you a yoruba king on the phone saying 'kabiyesi' is on the line. thats a third person singular. this is similar to He, Him, His of Allah. and before he finished he said 'awa'. thats a first person plural. this is similar to Our, We of Allah.

however where ever you see We, Our, Allah will identify Himself by Name or use I, Me, etc to let it be clear to all that Only Himself is in the We, Our.

there is no place they, them third person[s] plural have been used to include Allah in the Quran. never, ever.

Pastoraio; this is my last response to you until you acquire good matters. omo yoruba nie.

Allah use Nahnu for Himself in the We. there is no one with Him when He uses the Nahnu.

Nahnu is used in other places to mean many people or entities, but Allah is not part of that Nahnu, at any single time.

^^^^^^ If tpiah! is trying to inform me of what she thought i meant with her 'you are talking nasty' remark, should i now register for such a tutorial?

what benefit will it bring if i know one more 'talking nasty' word or expression, especially when i do need to empty my heart of what i have known that can be classified as 'nasty talks' already?

knowledge that is not positive is no knowledge. idle talk is what i am trying to avoid with you, and now you are dragging me to it by suggesting that you and tphia! teach me 'stuff'.

sorry. i dont want it. let me be ignorant from more 'talking nasty' stuff[s].

^^^^^^^^^^ why pretending? what i meant is what i wrote.

i dont know what congo meant other than a country and cono meat in its shell. you see my using skull for shell and brain for the soft mussel. i do not know anything other than the above. i personally dont wanna know anything more than that.

@Tpiah!: « #12 on: April 15, 2011, 03:45 AM »
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Congoshine needs to let the Light of Iman shines on his hidden congo in a cocooned bone.

talking nasty. Shocked[/Quote]whats nasty about not wanting to say brain and skull?

^^^^^^ i'm a brother sister.

choose your location; africa or not.

i have seen what we old yoruba men call 'asinrin peke' [beauuuu tiii ful] black as coal women.

its the face you see. you know she is pretty. Alhandulillah Allah says cover everything else, almost.

imagine if not covered up?

have you see a black skinned woman floats as she walks?

while i think the natural instinct of a one who stumbles on a man with fire burns is to rush to help right away, taking snapshots will be the furthest thing from the first to do list.

@e36991; « #104 on: Yesterday at 10:15:22 AM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on April 14, 2011, 10:44 PM

if jesus didn't raise himself up, how can jo raise anyone up?

If jesus truly died, he would have remained dead.

but jo's story and jesus's story have common thread; no true eyewitness.

finally, no one certified that death truly occurred.

@Sweetnecta

SMH . . .

Jesus truly died so dont go up a creek without a paddle mate . . . Smiley[.Quote]Which Jesus; Jesus Ba Abbas? The Coptic made a saint out of Pilate. That figures. Further do you know of Simon of Cyrene who carried the cross to the place of 'crucifixion'?



[Quote]Have you ever considered or wondered why Jesus didnt take longer than three days to rise from the dead?[/Quote] have you ever considered that it is not exactly 3 days? then it is a mere faint or collapse or other condition but not death the only reason he never failed to avoid those who wanted him dead? you cant die 2ice, the reason he didn;t show himself to the jews was that he didnt die the first death yet. and a prophet who says something, if it does not come to pass is not from God; 3 days and 3 nights did not happen, so how is that from God? especially when jesus said 'i finished what you asked me to do', long time before the 'crucifixion'.



[Quote]Lets sidestep or sideline the "Who" and/or or "Who am I . . ." but dwell on the Whats, Whys etc for now

Do you know what Jesus is and/or was?[/Quote]a prophet sent by God, like other prophets[as]. son of Mary. Adam is no son of anyone. Eve is no daughter of anyone, either.



[Quote]Do you know what Christ signifies and/or what Christ is and/or was?[/Quote]the anointed. was jesus the only anointed? mot. priests, king of israel and many prophets were anointed. i will ignore many stones, trees that were anointed. you can refuse to translate christ/massiah as anointed when it comes to jesus and do it every time wen it comes to others, because you are playing fast and loose with reality.



[Quote]Do you know why Jesus or Christ in the Jesus-Christ combo was/is indispensable?[/Quote]would you know jesus more than himself?



[Quote]Do you understand what REALLY happened when Jesus gave up the ghost on the cross?[/Quote]famous last words; which one is correct of the three, below?

1. it is finished.

2. father into your hands . . . .

3, my God, my God, . . . .

further a God dying is no God for real. will you agree or you cab proof the real God, already?



[Quote](i.e. And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said,
Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost - Luke 23:46 KJV

OR

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost - John 19:30 KJV)[/Quote]which one of the 'or' statements is true, i hope you will not say both of them as his last statement? it will be impossible to make two last statements. one has to be incorrect as the last statement. i imagine two reporters record the last statement of preident goodluck. both are different so must ask which one is his last statement or if both are actually incorrect and the truth is completely different.



[Quote]Do you understand the rationale of the gift of myrrh presented to Jesus' parent for Him?

Do you understand the significance of Mary anointing the feet of Jesus with the pound of ointment of spikenard . . .[/Quote]what is the rationale behind a deceit that is dressed up as truth?



[Quote]Have you now figured out how Jesus rose from the dead?[/Quote]please calculate and spell it out for me; 3 days and 3 nights. this may be what you need to learn first.



[Quote]In addition to those snippets, maybe a familiarity with the Lazarus encounter along the line can aid . . .[/Quote]even the bone of a dead prophet raised a dead man to life. your lazarus story is inferior in its gravity to the action of the bone. if one prophet was able to do it, other human prophets in the same circumstance will be given the power to do it. what you have not asked yourself is this; who was jesus depending on? is that one not the one suited to be God of all things, instead of jesus who was as dependent on His as you and I are on the same God? jesus didn't raise himself. from your book, he goofed by not fulfilling his 3 days and 3 nights. it is also in your book that the indictment of such a blunder is to say a liar is in the house. its your book.



[Quote]Well suffice to say a lot of water ran/was running under the bridge but the moment one of the simplest (i.e. carnal and spirit man thingy) is grasped

then typical wantom ignorance(s) such as these can be diffused[/Quote]if you dress up a filth as the real mccoy, when you UnCloth it, the smell will tell you what you have. how is jesus God, again, when he said 'my God, my God, . . .'?

@joagbaje; Who is the Lord of the 'Word' that your thread 'title' says it is true Humility to submit' to; Jesus or his Lord Who created Jesus?

the Bible says, as per NT that jesus is the 'word'. Who is his Lord, the One he prayed to bowing his face in submission?


do you christians submit in full humility to that Entity or you co mingle Him with others, including His 'word'?


dont answer this out of pure instinct. i want you to reflect on it greatly first.

^^^^^ Wa aleykum Salaam wa Rahmatullah Ta'ala wa Barackatuh. Alhamdullah. I'm doing fime.

May Allah reward you. Amin. And keep us us on His Deen. Amin.

I'm certain the sister is doing fine. InshaAllah.

@Congoshine; not wanting to mix it up with you, at all. but we must agree that to the straight out heterosexual who is married, a guy person in orgy room is a handwork of shaytan by his/her action.

to the same married heterosexual, who lost his virginity to his wife when they got married will say that even they young buck down the street with his unmarried girlfriend are also handwork of shaytan by their being unmarried.

the above are scenarios which will let you know what i meant by influence of satan in my earlier post.