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Hymen has all the trappings of Islam.



but in other thread[s] she said, Muslim ke? no o. I am a [named denomination] christian.

when are you going to let the light of guidance into your heart?

God has provided you with proofs. if only in your beloved LB, that is your own sign.


You must be the one who comes to your Lord God willingly in the correct nature. then, you will see the beauty of the light of guidance.

@kandikane; « #8 on: Today at 07:47:58 PM »
[Quote]^^The Serpent did deceive/tempt Eve. On the other hand Adam was not deceived because he knew about the tree way before Eve was made.


Ofcourse the instinct was there but without the serpents's intervention, that instinct to find out exactly why not to eat that tree would have stayed put.


When you look at the Christian Beliefs and many other beliefs they are all similar in a way. eg. The Greek mythology has myths which I believe can be found in the bibles but disguised.

Religion is man-made.[/Quote]except Islam.

What is the meaning of Islam? it is submission to The Unique Creator, willingly is best.

Allah says in the Quran that He commanded the heavens and earth to come together, willingly or unwillingly. they said we come willingly submitting to You.

Satan who was Iblis disobey God in his not submitting to the Order of God to prostrate to Adam, while all the Angels did willingly. Satan/Iblis was created from smokeless flame, being a jinn, while the Angels were created from light and human from dirt and water.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ your explanation of the trick of the serpent is not clear because you said i think, meaning not sure. the condition of the punishment that Adam received you did not provide. it is to me as if your information sources are torah and injil.

you also qualified yourself in your first or second post on this thread as a christian. read your posts. even if you are not a christian, and only classify yourself as a spiritualist, you cant know God by making up your own way when God actually had sent many personalities [messengers and prophets] to humans with clear process of guidance in revealed books, and keeping people on the single path by inspired words and actions that they led by.

if their records are preserved intact without addition or subtraction, you will see that the chain is one [path of guidance] and each messenger or prophet is a link, starting from Adam and ending with Muhammad [as to each of them]. Any other way, you can't be sure of its permissibility in the Sight of The Judge.

please rethink your position. hopefully, you and those you will impact in life will accept guidance as your parents have. some need a little or a big push, while other dont. it is a matter of how soft the heart is.


i have no desire to derail the thread, so the bird is now in your hand.

@Image123; you are welcome to tag along for the ride. per chance, with you involved she may be willing to stand to hear the truth which her parents told her.

image123 is better than Jesus in this case because you knew the future already.

a mind reader, in a matter of yes or no can get it right in at most 50% chance of the bat. even when he is correct 100%, every question is a guess work of 50/50.


@kandikane; now that you have a support in image123, shall we return to the thread you abandoned or you take me up on my offer or we open a dialogue using a new thread to explain christianity to me with proofs? sell me christianity if it is true. invite a muslim infidel like me into it.

@Kandikane; « #10 on: Today at 07:57:43 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 07:50:05 PM
@kandikane; send me a message at galadinalou@aol.com so that we may connect off NL. I am waiting. thanks.

I am married. Smiley

What do you practice?[/Quote]there is no place in my statement that i am indicating other than dialogue based on our discussion which you abandoned. i am a proponent of marriage. intending to continue our dialogue especially with my earlier tone should tell you that your marital status is fine with me. you are also a person who can receive the effort of dawah as you said you were raised a muslim by your parents.

I practice Islam. i thought you got that from my first response to you, when i cautioned about the 72 virgins in heaven statement? it is truly wise to provide evidence in matters of faith. as i often the non muslims, sell me your religion with proofs i can hang on to. if you can't let me present islam with proofs.

@Kandikane; « #8 on: Today at 07:47:58 PM »

[Quote]^^The Serpent did deceive/tempt Eve. On the other hand Adam was not deceived because he knew about the tree way before Eve was made.[/Quote]if Mother was ignorant and got deceived, why did Adam who had fore knowledge ate just as Eve? shouldn't Adam get blamed just as Eve if not more with all the knowledge than he had?



[Quote]Of course the instinct was there but without the serpent's intervention, that instinct to find out exactly why not to eat that tree would have stayed put.[/Quote]i wonder what duty other that keeping Eve in his sight as a mate had Adam? how could that simple responsibility got fouled up by Adam, while the males among humans are so possessive of their mates, the females? some men will not be so complacent to let a little boy talk privately to their wives without knowing what is being said.

Can anyone tell me why Adam and Eve had such an open enemy to the point that the enemy caused their demise? what did they do against the serpent or whoever the serpent on behalf? there is a cause and effect, always.

@kandikane; send me a message at galadinalou@aol.com so that we may connect off NL. I am waiting. thanks.

@Topic poser; The christians will give you all song and dance but not the truth by providing simple answer from the master himself who warned them to play such a serpent.

The christians will lionize the devil when it fits their purpose. They will demean or demonize or lower the esteem or even make The Creator as gullible and inept as the creature so that they justify their agenda in various forms.

In all of the above, they never give anyone of themselves the name Satan or Devil or Serpent, Snake, Judas, Pharaoh, Goliath, etc. You can hate a personality but loves the quality. This is hypocrisy.

Is there a time Jesus the god of the christian as wise as serpent and gentle as a dove? I doubt if he ever played the serpent, yet the christians are to be christ-like.

can christ-like and serpent wisdom quality co-exist in one single body, except you are Peter being a follower of a godly prophet and being a fully devil so much so that his master Jesus had to cry out 'get behind me, satan'.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jesus fulfilled as in follow the laws and the prophets before him. if i stop here, your disagreeing with Jesus is an indictment against your desire or lack of knowledge.

@Olaadegbu; « #84 on: Yesterday at 11:46:23 AM »
[Quote] The Bible is not just a book but its 66 books. At least 39 of the books were written by the time Peter penned his, and today we have 3 x 9 books in the NT which then adds up to 66 books. The Bible can be said to be the book of books and one of its most remarkable qualities is the complete unity of the overall message despite having so many different "authors" writing over many centuries on hundreds of controversial subjects. Natural explanations fail to account for the supernatural character and origin of Scripture.[/Quote]I am wondering what the Catholics will say about the accuracy of the bold? Which came first, the chicken or the egg? My question is about chicken versus egg, not the each chicken breed versus the other breeds. We see that a live chicken will at maturity lay eggs, in her lifetime. An egg on the other hand needs a period of incubation in order to hatch to a baby chick. Catholic Bible that has been here before the protestants sheared themselves away to write their own using the Catholic Bible, while shamelessly truncating it by as many as 7 books is not the chicken but the egg. And we know that egg can't stand on its own strength. Just reminding you that 66 books will not pass for a bible with the catholic. The Ethiopian orthodox will also reject the 66 books of a bible and even the catholic bible.



[Quote]Sorry ooo! Don't be annoyed Cheesy Did you notice how many of these authors of Scripture verified each other's writings as God's Word? Shortly after Jeremiah wrote his book, for example Daniel recognised what Jeremiah wrote was the "word of the Lord" (Daniel 9:2).[/Quote]can you say without doubt in your heart that what Daniel and Jeremiah wrote are still in the Bible in their most authentic forms, as when each men were alive and had just finished their 'books'? i remember reading it somewhere that the same Jeremiah spoke about inauthentic,ie corruption entered and remain in earlier books, the reason he was making such complaint.



[Quote]Later in the NT, the apostle Paul quoted the Gospel of Luke as "Scripture," on par with the inspired writings of Moses (1 Tim. 5:18, citing both Deut. 25:4 and Luke 10:7).[/Quote]God's word [the one that did not become flesh] came from the mouth of men who were not prophets, even one who was not a follower of any prophet. Do the opinions and requests and letters of Paul count as Word of God which is Scripture?



[Quote]Peter claimed inspiration for the entire OT as you can see in the verse I quoted above (2 Peter 1:20-21). Peter also equated Paul's epistle with "the rest of the Scriptures" (2 Pet. 3:16-17), which Deepsight alluded to in his post above.[/Quote]claims are no proofs for authentic statements when these statements lack evidence to back up the claims.



[Quote]The most powerful evidence of the Bible being inspired comes from Jesus Christ's own life and statements. He claimed that the Bible was God's Word. Jesus tied His own life and reputation to that claim. It is either He is God and His Word is flawless or both Christ and His Word are false.[/Quote]how about neither of the two? What if what Jesus said about himself were interwoven with all types of falsehood, after he had been lifted up to heaven? can we accuse Jesus and make him take blames [interesting that he is taking the blames for the sins. why not another especially when he is going to deny it] for the lies told against him? The accurate position of Jesus is known absolutely by God and Only God can reveal it in Revelation. The another comforter is the one to correct the established false position that people developed after Jesus left the earth. When the another comforter arrived and said Jesus was not God because God is One Lord of all people, that was correction. Also, Jesus was not son of God because God does not need a son since such an act does not fit His Majesty [in the same way being fatigue, eating, sleeping etc do not fit] and since God has no consort, that was a needed correction. And the position of Creator is Unique while creatures do have similarity in its nature within the group [man looks like man] it belongs. Therefore, we cant blame Jesus for the wrong corrected. The one who is at fault is the one who proposed and established the wrong situations that the another comforter corrected.

@Wetu; your opinion of Moses is opposite of what Jesus did and commanded you to do, if you are a true follower of Jesus of the Bible.


@Experts; the way the alphabets of the letter are, being so advanced from the alphabets at the time of Muhammad [as] in arabia, the lack of the seal from his ring [signet that appears in all his other letters], unless there are other factors in place, i have my reservations. But God Knows the Absolute Truth about the letter.

The good news however is that christians themselves are telling their brothers and sisters in christianity that Muhammad [as] was a prophet of mercy, respecting other people's religions, lives and honors.

@pastorade; [Quote]Although there is an appointment with death, it can be fast-forwarded by touching God’s anointed. This season, all agents of darkness plotting your death and downfall, shall go earlier to their appointment with death, long before its time in Jesus name.[/Quote]are the in bold necessary just that somebody is protected from being questioned based on love or hate? the second is in itself a sign of evil in the heart of the said speaker of it. invoking god while not seeking the Protection of God is terrible, if you ask me.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the word in this case is not what john says became flesh?


this is another word, like in 'another comforter'?


dig a big hole for yourself and fall in it like 'erin karele o kowa joba'.

@lady123; [Quote]Quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahabbism#Attitudes_towards_Non-Muslims
Attitudes towards Non-Muslims
A study by the NGO Freedom House found Wahhabi publications in a number of mosques in the United States preaching that Muslims should not only "always oppose" infidels "in every way", but "hate them for their religion , for Allah's sake", that democracy "is responsible for all the horrible wars of the 20th century", and that Shia and certain other non-Wahhabi Muslims were INFIDELS[/Quote]There is no word in Arabic that is directly meaning Infidel[s]. You can only find such a set of word[s] in the bible; OT and NT verses. Do your own checking.

in addition, there is no masajid that i know in the US that is preaching 'always oppose' infidels 'in every way'. Muslims are marginalized in this part, regardless of what you may think; pre 9/11. post 9/11 is even worse because every mistake, the authority will tag it 'muslim' even if you sneeze.

my experience is that a weak minority is not always strong in implementing its agenda over the stronger majority that has all the trump cards.

no muslim hates them for their religion for Allah's sake.

we may dislike or hate their attitude for Allah's sake, we love them at the same time for Allah's sake, because it is from their rank that will come the 'reverts'.

There is freedom of religion. Muslims are at peril because Islam opposes Jesus as God and Jews as no longer holding God's preferred people. Hence the Christians and Jews are backing each others up against Islam. Today, the authorities on islam are the non-muslims over the scholars and practitioners of Islam.

I am not a hyphenated muslim, so my position is in support of my noble religion only and not any or against any sect.

^^^^^^^^^^ but Moses died longer, even Abraham much longer. Don't you love them still.

Jesus left the earth long time. you don't seem to have him.

none of them you saw, met and their condition is similar to that of Muhammad [as] in your life.


Either you have your priority in disarray or you block off any good out of your consciousness.

The best that can happen to you is Muhammad [as].

^^^^^^^^^^^ I wonder if what is immediately above is is addressing the top or a consumption for diversion from the essence of the thread?

i dont expect a miracle of limb regeneration to be the symbol of truth. Truth in its essence is consistent in maintaining its position from the moment it emerges. It has no newer version[s], or interpolation[s].

the One in Authority has 100% Authority.

when the authority is being ascribed to the wrong entity, instead of the Deity Who is the Owner of Authority, the He lets them remain in the position they place themselves as followers of the evil one; satan.

It is God if He wills that can regenerate a lost limb, etc.After all He generated the body that wasnt before. He will regenerate the body anew for Judgment Day. So a limb is not more difficult than the regeneration of the whole body that will take place in the future.


God Almighty has assigned time and place and reason for each thing to happen.

Prophets and their miracles were so performed because God performed them through them, the reason Jesus said he was unable to do anything of his own power. It simple means however you look at it, I Jesus is powerless.


What we should be seeking is the Truth. If you are on it, congrats. My your feet be firm on it.

If you are not, may God open your heart to itso that you accept before you die.


There is no truth that cant be proven. This is the reason that blind faith is untruth.

^^^^^^^^^^ if it was the poison that God used to end his life, he [as] was a martyr of the highest level.

you said the agony took three years to finally over come him. this proofs that he was a real lion and definitely superior to a lamb.

but do we expect him not to die at 63 considering that his work was 'finished'?

for an old man to grin and bare it, living a normal life for three years with potent poison in his system is extremely remarkable. It is a sin that God was with him.


we will be happy to discuss it thoroughly, if we are alive when you present your thread of narrow vision.

@Thehomer; i do believe that there was a man named Adam who had a woman mate named Eve. These two were the first pair of modern humans. They were creatures, created by The God. I believe in creation by the Creator Who organized, ordained and ordered all things.

I believe that the first pair named above was given a religion by the Creator.

that religion is simply Submit to Me your Creator in full submission.

Are you saying that the above is not the case?

if that is what you are saying, then tell me if Adam and Eve invented a religion for themselves to more complicate themselves in their new environment called earth, which i am sure they probably did not dwell long on earth to live long enough in every square inch of this relatively small place if you contrast it with jupiter?

If Adam and Eve did not have a religion, how did they organize themselves and their children discriminating between right and wrong? finally, who was the first to invent 'religion'? what was the religion that was first invented? considering that Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, etc, even Moses, etc didn't practice the religion of judaism, even Jesus didn't practice judaism [look at how the jews of today practice their religion you will know], what religion will you consider the submission to God of these men? or did no one of them have a religion by which they obey/submit to God?

@yommyuk; « #9 on: Yesterday at 08:32:59 PM »
[Quote]Quote
you must never forget that the bible recorded that jesus call the disciples all kinds of names to indicate they were unbelievers and call peter 'satan'

Probably this is where islam and Christianity differ. How can you based your argument on St Peter's past.[/Quote]the same peter you flaunted as the beacon of good wholesomeness before is now being denied by you.




[Quote]2 Corin 5:16-17
"So we have stopped evaluating others from a human point of view. At one time we thought of Christ merely from a human point of view. How differently we know him now! ---->>>> This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone, a new life has begun!

Prior to accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and savior, one tends to see Christ as a good man or at most a prophet (That is were u are), but immediately we increase our knowledge by the power of the Holy Spirit, we receive a clearer revelation of who Jesus really is. We no more see him as the son of Mary, but has the son of God. Even Mary acknowledged that fact.[/Quote]paul already got you cornered with his cooked up story. the aborisha can you your logic to elevate their deity to Deity. did you see any verse in that your not 100% true Bible where Yahweh Who is not seen makes Himself less than God? any verse will be enough. contrast it with the lies above, as sometime he was just a prophet, but now that you accept him as your savior he becomes God. is this not a mere wishful thinking? is God Almighty enough as Savior?




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islam is submission to God. the final destination of the people in islam if they are true in belief and work righteousness as much as they have the ability to work it, from the Mercy of God they will receive forgiveness and be entered into paradise without ever been punished in hell, first. it is article of faith that muslims believe in jesus the christ as a messenger and prophet in the same manner that we believe in all messengers and prophets of God, a chain that started with Adam and ended with Muhammad [as to all of them] disbelief in muhammad guaranteed such disbeliever a place in hell, after the truth about muhammad has been established and has come to his attention. you sir, yommyuk is in the disbelief column in this case.

The first part of the above is ok. However what you call the "MERCY OF GOD" is Jesus Christ which is our core belief and a highly advocated principle in Christianity. As we work towards prefection, sometimes we come short because naturally we are all rebels. Sometimes we want to do right, but we don't do it. Instead we do what we hate. God recognises this nature of man that is why he gave us his son, "that whosoever believeth in him shall not die but have everlasting life. That is why Jesus Christ said in John 14:6[/Quote]before the God in the bible didn't recognized all the faults in man. now that you introduced jesus, the God recognized the faults and therefore produced jesus as mercy. This is the same God Who showed mercy on Mary, before that on Elizabeth, before then,many people including forgiven Adam and Eve. the liars will want to justify jesus, so they transferred the already forgiven sin to you and those who believe with you. well i dont have this concept because God is Sufficient in forgiveness. i do not inherit an already forgiven sin. My God is capable to forgive His creatures if yours cant, hence he employed an outside agent. your son is not you. and when we ask you to explain how he is His son when Mary was certain that you can have a son at that time as a virgin without a man, you will give me a round about story that will amount to nothing. creations from God have been in 5 categories; from nothingness, from one form to another, from one gender to another, from sex, from without sex. jesus was created without sex. so was Adam and Eve. Adam was created from something of different form. Eve was created from different gender. Both were the first in their gender. Adam was created first in human form. Both were created as adults, while jesus was created as a baby like you and i. even today the non reproductive ants [termites] are produced without male sperm on the egg. does that make them gods, if jesus was without a father?




[Quote]" I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. If you had really known me, you would know who may Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him"[/Quote]imagine when the flood in noah's time starting up. noah cry was if you do not come to me, you will perish because i am the way. his son didnt listen and he perished. Every prophet was the way. no one knew jesus when moses was the way out of egypt to canaan.




[Quote]Who is the Father? Who have they seen?

The last part of your post regarding how you/ Islam relates to Jesus, Have you really thought about why Islam never accepted Jesus as the Son of God? In my honest opinion, it goes beyond religion. It has more to do with "SIBLING JEALOUSY" which is sinnful. It started from Ismael, the first son of Abraham. But God himself declared to Abraham in Genesis 17:19-22[/Quote]sons of God saw daughters of men. were these the brothers of the son of God you believed? sibling of young children is acceptable. but sibling jealousy of the type between jacob and esau was unacceptable. these were grown men. islam does not count the misdeeds of children as sins. it does not transfer sins. it does not continue to hold a sin forgiven against you. christianity does all of these.




[Quote]"But God replied, "No- Sarah, your wife will give birth to a son for you. You will name him Isaac, and I will confirm my covenant with HIM and HIS DESCENDANTS as my everlasting covenant. ----->>>>> As for Ismael, I will bless him also, just as you have asked. I will make him extremely fruitful and multiply his descendants. He will become the father of 12 princes, and I will make him a great nation. By my covenant will be confirmed with Isaac, who will be born to you and Sarah about this time next year."[/Quote]you remember the test to slaughter the son? it is ishmael who was the son. the muslims observe this great event in remembrance of father and son. the jews and cheistians dont because it was not isaac. well try to give me a good reason they dont since the jews observe such a mundane event as the victory of the macabees over assyrians. so your jealousy story is meaningless.




[Quote]The promise made towards ISMAEL is one of the reasons why I never discard ISLAM.

1 Corinthians 1:25
"This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wiset of human plans, and God weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength"[/Quote]how did he decide what is foolish in that verse? foolishness and God are not in the same column.




[Quote]On that I rest my case Cool

Quote
read your bible again. while you cant give a specific name to your holy spirit and provide us with his nature as you can of jesus and the God Who sent him, it is a sign that you have no idea what is the holy spirit. we in islam do and his name is Gabriel, an angel of God, created by God from light. Gabriel is a servant of God the reason you he is involved in carrying messages, strengthening human, etc.

Matthew 1:18
This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was STILL A VIRGIN, she became pregnant through THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. ---- HALLELUYAH![/Quote]where was mary living when she got pregnant? i hpe you will be wise enough to know that fiancee/fiance did not live together back then.




[Quote]A specific name for the Holy Spirit you asked for --- JESUS CHRIST - the one who was born of the HOLY SPIRIT.
The one who while praying, the heavens opened, and the Holy Spirit, in bodily form, descended on him like a dove and a voice from heaven declared "This is my beloved SON in whom I am well pleased.[/Quote]so we have two holy spirits then? one of then spoke from heaven about the other on earth. is that it? yet, the one from heaven will be sent by his son who was the other one that made the promise? nd God is not the Author of confusion.




[Quote]Well pleased? Why? Colossians 1:19 "For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ"[/Quote]while Jesus said God resides in heaven, colossians writer says God resides in Jesus, forgeting that jesus was claimed to have died, earlier. imagine what happened to what resides in jesus while jesus died, not even mentioning the events on the cross which indicated that God could not have been so close to jesus, the reason he cried out, since God is all hearing, even when you whisper, even talking in your heart.




[Quote]Did I hear u call Angel Gabriel the Holy Spirit? Shocked OMG Cool[/Quote]when i read omg or mog from christians these days, i know some big lie is on the way.




[Quote]Isaiah 11:2
And the Spirit of the Lord will rest on him- The Spirit of Wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of Knowledge and the fear of the Lord"---------------------------------------------- Undecided[/Quote]Show me holy spirit, or another comforter or jesus in the above? did the spirit of God rest on jesus alone; how about john? solomon the wise, was jesus wiser and how? show me any of the above that only jesus had?




[Quote]I would not say much.

Go to Celestial Chruch of Christ HQ in MAKOKO - Lagos. on a Sunday service 10am, and see the manifestation of the Holy Spirit face to face.[/Quote]the holy spirit was restricted to penticost unless the bible was incorrect?

ignorance of the bible is in the above verse,

Ishmael was not a wild child. show me a single wild thing he did, if you have not been taken in by the evil writers of that very verse?

was Isaac the good child turn out to be better? hardly. he lost his sight. his wife and a son betrayed him and betrayed their son and brother.

the grandsons sold one of their own into slavery.

they became slaves in egypt, according to the bible.

they walked for 40 years a distance of only 40 days because of their evil deeds. they killed everyone along the way in the process.

they try to circumvent one another,and killed many of their religious leaders. they were made captives by invading forces many times.

they killed you god. maybe you forgot that.

they were killed by hitler who never forgot that they kill his god anf your god.


now tell me how Ishmael the beloved of his father, the son of circumcision, who was peaceful and obedient to God suddenly became will and his hands were on everyone and everyone's hands were on him, while Isaac the great grandfather of the jews with the above was not the wild child and his hands and other people;s hands were not on one another?


the neighbors in the middle east didn't complain about Ishmael. if you have any proof, present it. one will be enough to water down what i listed above and at the same support your claim.

I feel terrible for lives lost.

when the children of israel were killing the people of jericho, even though the scenarios are not exactly alike, but i can imagine a neighbor of the the people who had family in Jericho wondering if what Moses came with was a religion, since religion, according to you is to only preach peace.

the jews might have said the same thing when jesus of the bible called them all sort of names. the roman guard who lost his ear before it was attached may say ouch, is this a religion, before the ear was attached back to its place.

i am sure the people who lost their lives in jerusalem during crusade will say is the a religion. i am also certain that the people who were oppressed and killed in spanish inquisition will ask the same question,more or less.

how would the natives in the america have reacted when the christian europe was killing them except saying is this a religion.

i left out other atrocities intentionally.

i am not preaching. i am not a preacher. we are just exchanging ideas.

faith, rather good faith is from God alone Who laid out the foundation for all to follow in revealed Books, the latest book, the Quran being what to use as guidance to Him, today till end of time.

but then if i offended you, i apologize since my intention is not to turn anyone off. i will dislike anyone making me get turned off and tuned out from what is potentially and absolutely beneficial.

can a better person not be a better than better? a good person we all say. but according to whose grade of goodness?

it is God Alone Who sets the standard of who is good or not.

the first thing of goodness is faith in God, in the way He prescribes how to have faith. that is the foundation. then other things come on top as addition.

faith is the foundation.

other things are the walls, windows, roof, etc, furniture to have a livable abode.

so you will take chance to find out at the last minute when it is too late anyhow, if mom and dad were right all along keeping you in islam you have now rejected now that you are grown, and don't care to be a better person, anyhow?

can you afford to stay inside a burning house for 3 minutes, if it is a doomsday? yet God has prepared hell as punishment for disbelief and there is noend to the disaster it brings to the body recreated with the soul that did the evil on earth?


your choice.

The day of Judgment will be too late. in fact at time of death is already late.


being born a muslim without practicing Islam is not a benefit. it is not better than being born a non muslim, if not worse.

if one has awareness of Islam and ignores it, but keep the name as if one is a muslim, one truly is a hypocrite.

you need to sit up and take Islam seriously. Start from making the 5 compulsory daily salah. they will calm your soul and steady your heart.

you will be able to improve from there in your struggle to be a better human being, a believer, a muslm.

@Image123; « #30 on: Today at 01:50:00 AM »
[quote][/Quote]Quote from: Martian on April 24, 2011, 09:33 PM
I read it silently, I read it aloud, I read it slowly, I even rearranged some words BUT what this guy wrote still doesn't make sense.


This^ with the combo of that nectar's post gave me a 'tough' laugh into the night. Arabic english?[quote][/Quote]how is a laugh 'tough'? never mind.

now write your tribal english so that we can have a not so tough smile.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ You must be a christian, because such a belief is contrary to Islamic belief. A child in the womb is nurtured to maturity from tiny drops from mom and dad until he is delivered to the outside world. he continue to have all the senses that he had in the womb throughout. he becomes more refined as he gets older and stronger. the same condition will take place in paradise. the food will be better just like the food here is better than what is gotten in mother's womb, though satisfying the need and purpose.

a grown person would not want to be fed as the fetus was fed. a grown person will not even want to be fed by drips just because he can chew, etc. the food and what one gets in jannat are far superior to what is available on earth. even the satisfaction will be at much much higher level that what one can ever get on earth, just like we know the satisfaction in the womb is inferior to what is on earth,outside the mother.

he is not a muslim. he call himself a muslim in the same vain that a woman can say she is a man. lies like that will not take anyone far in the face of truth.

@EzeUche; #18 on: Today at 02:13:24 PM »
[Quote]And people wonder why I want division. Let the Christian East go. We do not have to worry about religious extremist.[/Quote]There is Islam in that Christian East, you Islam hater. Will you not throw your hatred upon the muslim igbos after you separate?

Maybe, EzeUche should separate himself from Nigeria. per chance, the hausa and boko haram who hate you and you hate them just equally, they may just improve and freedom and peace ring and there is no more chaos.

can you sacrifice yourself, for the igbo people by leaving Nigeria for say Cameroon, instead of letting the chaos linger because you are among them? i have not seen a person worse than you in hatred of others while you mirror in behavior the people you hate. you rightfully condemn them without checking your own hard heart.

@Jesus;[Quote] deuteronomy 21:23.
Jesus was "cursed" according to Paul, check galatians 3:30

No Jesus wasn't cursed but was falsely accused out of Greed and envy. The passage i gave tells the story. More so John:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. The father loves Jesus and the father didn't curse him cos he laid it down willing[/Quote]
How could you deny Galatians 3;30 a New Testament's verse from Apostle Paul if you decided to deny Deuteronomy 21;23 because its from Old Testament? The Old and New Testaments say by the verse above that he was cursed. Apostle Paul, your leader in Christianity said he was cursed for you. Are you denying Apostle Paul or what are you saying? Please correct the Bible or correct yourself.

@Martian; what is the ancient of days? definite it. then define God. bring them together as one.

how is he was, he is is equal to he is to come? how is God was, is and He is to come?


now put God in each. i wanna read how you will make he is to come stick with the Invisible God Who is always present.


you can understand this now or are you still in the daze of denial?

^^^^^^^ You need not get scared of fatawa. Though you said you are not religious, you didn't hide your religious persuasion by the 'burn a bible so that we are even'. while i dislike what the fringe muslims in their violence do, i will not say that if you insult my mother that i must insult your mother to feel that we are now even. a person may not care about his religious book the reason he is quick to burn that of another. a person may not find his prophet deserving respect, why do you think that when you disrespect his prophet you are getting even with him because he disrespected your prophet earlier?

Just as the violent muslims do not represent the non violent muslims, having the same label does not make Islam guilty, if you consider that NOI in chicago, the 5 percenters, and others all say they are muslims, but do not make salah, or pay zakat, or fast in the month of ramadhan, but nation of islam preach using bible, and you will assume you are in the church.

can you say a chrislam person is a muslim? the same way an ignorant hoodlum regardless of his eduction is not really a true muslim.

while i agree that we in islam have our vocal bad eggs who have hijacked islam, judaism and christianity have theirs, they are the nations in the world persecuting muslims with their many arms of propaganda and military force.

if the muslims have used the misbehavior of non muslims to judge their various religions, without going into their religious books, no one in any religion will be seen as a good person. or many of the non muslims will be classified as evil just like the many evil persons in islam.

northern nigeria is not where islam rest; go to madina where the constitution of islam was ratified. you will find absolute peace in there.

@yommyuk; « #5 on: Today at 05:49:15 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta

I would put it to you. "The truth"

What you have is the "Spirit of Unbelief" which is a spirit of skepticism in matters of spiritual truth.

Mark 6:6 "And he was amazed at their unbelief"

The same I apply to you. I can only pray that God thru his spirit will help you overcome your stubborn unbelief.[/Quote]mark6;6 was to the disciples. you must never forget that the bible recorded that jesus call the disciples all kinds of names to indicate they were unbelievers and call peter 'satan', even. now, are you of a greater belief than peter? if peter was satan as jesus saw him, are you not at least the same if not worse?



[Quote]What is Islam? Where is the final destination of those who hold on to the Islamic faith without Christ? What are those things that dominate your faith? The answers dwells in U[/Quote]islam is submission to God. the final destination of the people in islam if they are true in belief and work righteousness as much as they have the ability to work it, from the Mercy of God they will receive forgiveness and be entered into paradise without ever been punished in hell, first. it is article of faith that muslims believe in jesus the christ as a messenger and prophet in the same manner that we believe in all messengers and prophets of God, a chain that started with Adam and ended with Muhammad [as to all of them] disbelief in muhammad guaranteed such disbeliever a place in hell, after the truth about muhammad has been established and has come to his attention. you sir, yommyuk is in the disbelief column in this case.



[Quote]You claim to have the comforter in the person of MUHAMMED Shocked Grin Grin Grin

How does the Islamic faith relate to the Holy Spirit? How do they recieve the Power of the Holy Spirit? How does the Holy Spirit work in a muslim Huh During worship, How does the outpouring of the Holy Spirit manifest?[/Quote]read your bible again. while you cant give a specific name to your holy spirit and provide us with his nature as you can of jesus and the God Who sent him, it is a sign that you have no idea what is the holy spirit. we in islam do and his name is Gabriel, an angel of God, created by God from light. Gabriel is a servant of God the reason you he is involved in carrying messages, strengthening human, etc.
look into your bible, again. you will see that if we are to believe that jesus spoke about the holy spirit interracting with his community after him, according to the bible it would be in the generation of the disciple, a one time thing, and not extending to any other people in any other generation. why we know that what we read in the bible from jesus didn't happen and was not supposed to happen right away as the return of jesus was not supposed to happen right away are many;
the nature of the comforter is the nature of a spirit coming from God.
a true spirit as in immediate above is a prophet of God. read the test of the true prophet as against false prophets in your bible.
it is very very interesting that true prophet of God is singular here while false prophets is plural.
The another comforter shows that there has been other comforters or at least one prior to the another. Could you tell us who were or who was the former comforter[s] and comforter nature, if you know? why was/were they not remaining for ever, while the another comforter was to remain forever? i will say that Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad are still here with us, remaining forever with us, even though none of them is walking the earth of God right now. if each of these people was not a comforter, why are they remaining forever with us, and where is that entity you call the Another comforter, today? give me is location so that i know that he is remaining with us forever, unless you are saying what the bible is saying is not accurate?

according to the Bible, the Another comforter is to have voice, ears, and can't be God because he would have known what he himself was going to say so there will not be a need to hear God first before he repeats it to human beings in his community so that they can act upon it.
what he tells them will correct their currently held but wrong conditions. so tell me what was corrected on the disciples at penticost?
he, the another comforter will lead the human that hears him, if he follows him will be led to all truth, since jesus said his community was not strong in faith to deal with the all truth. what are the all truth that the ghostly another comforter provided at penticost? give me couple of example of things unknown at the time of jesus? dont be shy since we know that jesus said he left everything to all truth for the another comforter to handle.

what about glorifying jesus? how did the ghostly another comforter managed to better the already established notion that jesus is God? teach me what i dont know and let me see your book of reference. if you can walk the walk it will better to avoid to talk the talk.



[Quote]As a believer in Christ Jesus the bible tell me in Romans 8:11 "The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in You(ME). And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you."[/Quote]while the romantic writer of the roman verse above knew nothing about jesus, his statement is irrelevant since jesus didn't say it. Alhaamdullah that his pen was made to speak the truth even while his untruth is the rest of the verse. we see that God is definitely different from Jesus. i am sure if you caught that, you would not have presented this verse. you see how God exposes lies and you cant even cover yourself? the Owner of the heart directs it as He wills.



[Quote]What Spirit are we talking about? The Holy Spirit, the agent of the resurrection of our bodies at the end of time. The same Spirit that opposes the power of sin. The Spirit that guaranteees that our bodies will be raised.[/Quote]Agent is not always at the helm.God is. i am leaving the rest alone because these are your believes based on your primary belief that jesus, ghost are both gods with God.



[Quote]Now tell me, which Spirit will raise you up at the end of time? Your comforter Muhammed or Allah? Ps don't make me laugh Grin[/Quote]there is a thread in the muslim section talking about the very subject you asked me. go and read what is posted by thee poser, about the very tip of human backbone.



[Quote]And lastly concerning the disciples

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please do not forget that the bible recorded that no followers of jesus hung around to see his end, how could they have fought to keep him? cowards ran away. cowards do not hang around to defend their positions

Are u joking? Are u talking about peter who healed the crippled beggar at temple gate called beautiful gate. The illterate one who was filled with the Holy Spirit and faced the religious leaders. The one unto whom sick people were brought out into the streets on beds and mats so that his shadow might fall accross them as he went by. He did not even need to pray for them. Are u joking?

I beg bro, evaporate from this thread Sad[/Quote]if peter was at the hanging why was he missing in action and he has no gospel of his own?