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^^^^^ Do you have a proof of me saying muhammedanism?

@Joeagbaje; i will resolve your above verse for another day. let me deal with your brother olaadegbu for the moment. your theme is similar; post ot.


@olaadegbu;[Quote] The Bible record presents two dominant themes: promise and fulfilment. Over and again we see God promising and then, true to His Word, fulfilling. Even at the very beginning, when the fall of man first brought sin and death iinto the world, God graciously promise that one day Christ would step into history, as a "lamb . . . foreordained before the foundation of the world" (1 Peter 1:19-20), to shed His blood to save a fallen humanity.[/Quote]what is wrong at the two bold[s]? if it is the Bible we are discussing, we expect the beginning to be something from "GENESIS". how is 1 peter 1 19/20 qualifying for the beginning in matters of Adam and Eve if it is them you are holding up for your beginning here?



[Quote]The story of mankind's redemption is "monergistic"; that is, it begins with God alone as the "Prime Mover." Genesis 3:15 gives the first prophetic promise, an account of the coming struggle between "the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent," whose outcome is never in question.[/Quote]see how you killed Trinity by the bold and actually buried it by the below?



[Quote]Couched within the conflict is the divine declaration of promise and fulfillment. god pledges to send "The Coming One," a Saviour, who would crush the head of Satan to redeem a fallen race. Then He fulfills His promise when Christ appears in the flesh.[/Quote]i think you intended to write God instead of god, even though you later introduced a god? the God or god Who or who promised 'the coming one', is He/he Yahweh of Moses or a god from the three godheads of Trinity? if you read your cut and paste to yourself before you posted it, you would have seen that you have already separated Yahweh of Moses Who would be the One dealing with Adam and Eve, away from any of the three godheads of Trinity that Peter is suggesting above.



[Quote]The Old Testament is filled with types and shadows, prophetic indicators announcing through the ancient nation of Israel a Redeemer who would come to deliver His people. Unmistakably, a gospel theme runs like a silver thread throughout the Bible, joining promise to fulfillment.
[/Quote]His people if you remember are the children of israel. how are christians His people in addition to the children of israel? the christians always in speech say the children of israel are the 'His people'. please explain how you manage to add the christians to this 'His people' group. i will remind you that the children of israel laugh at your concept of God. they also laugh at you adding yourselves to 'His people'.



[Quote]The expected arrival of this divine Person loomed large inthe minds of many in ancient Israel who searched the Scriptures for confirmation. John the Baptist's announcement, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29), resonated within the hearts of the multitudes as they flocked to hear Him.[/Quote]the world here is the world of the 12 nations of israel, or the whole wide world, considering that even ishmael children are 12 nations by this time? 'the lamb' as you call jesus did not allow anyone to preach beyond the nations/tribes of the children of israel. this was so important to him that he said he was sent to the children of israel, specifically the lost ones so that he can return then from the lost and found box. now tell us how a yoruba man like yourself becomes one of the lost and found? incidentally, he was long gone before you were born as a non child of israel.



[Quote]One of the most amazing testimonies to the timelessness of the gospel promise comes from the lips of Jesus Himself. He comforts and encourages a despondent group of disciples on the road to Emmaus with these amazing words, "Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into His glory?" (Luke 24:26).[/Quote]whose glory; his or that of the God Who sent him? my argument is really to open your mind up to the reality that you move from reality to falsehood in your argument. is God One even before the beginning? yes. is God trinity as in three gods in this godheads? no.



[Quote]Whether we look backward of forward in time, God has always saved in the same manner, by His grace through a person's faith in the "seed of the woman," Jesus the promised Messiah, coming in His appointed time to crush the head of Satan and bring redemption to a fallen humanity.[/Quote]i wonder how jesus participated in the saving of Adam and Eve? i wonder if he actually saved them since they suffered for their sins and even their children are suffering for the same sin? how is satan's head crushed when jesus himself was tempted by him? when peter took the form of satan so much so that jesus had to call peter at that time satan? after the event of peter, we noticed that satan still roam free today to the point that some people are worshiping him. was his head crushed, really? the bible says jesus fought death.yet people continue to die. where are the victories of jesus over the still active head crushed satan and still active already wrestled death? nothing changed, man. i guess the condition remained as it before, during after jesus. nothing has changed.

^^^^^ There is nothing called Islamist.

the idealogy of each one of us is the idealogy of Muhammad [as].

no one here among the muslims say Osama bin Laden [ra] is his/her master/oga.

@Thehomer; « #7 on: Today at 08:35:34 AM »
[Quote]
He used some people to kill other people. What you said above does not address the fact that he could have done it himself.[/Quote]i don't know about you, people say about the dead that God calls him home. yet no one has heard God say to anyone 'come home'. no one has seen God, either. so your doing it Himself suggestion of yours is because you want to see God in the physical instead of experience Him through all things that point to His existence that are abound, even in yourself. no soul is terminated except that God wills it to be so.


[Quote]Simple. It's because cultures evolve. Based on the things you've said above, do you think it would be appropriate for the entire populations in which these people were found to be invaded and killed by some people claiming to have been sent by God? You also point out God's failure since these things are still happening.
I don't see the relevance of your reference to how an idealist will address your example.[/Quote]everything has its proper place. if there are no homosexual alive today, but we only know their existence through the Sodom and Gomorrah story, no one will know what homosexuals are and how to identify and avoid their sexual acts. the fact that they are here is not due to the failure of God but as a lingering sin of evil so that you avoid it.


[Quote]The question that follows this is "Which God"? Is it Jehovah of the Jews? Or Jesus? Or Allah? Or the Elohim? Which one?[/Quote[i am a muslim and i declare that there is Only One God Who is Allah. God is a Title. Allah is the Name of the One so Titled.


[Quote]Sorry. When I said that I was not simply referring to Moses but to the actions carried out by the Israelites at that time.
I hope you realize that here, you advocate for abortion at least in Hitler's case.
I am advocating for the application of reason to issues of morality so I am against morality that is arrived at by authority of which Hitler can be considered as one source.[/Quote[how baby hitler can be an authority is strange. remember i do not say i hate hitler, but his deeds. his deeds were immoral. it was his deed that wrapped him so much so that no one say his person but his deed.


[Quote]Not just a snapshot but what I'm doing is actually bringing some of these expressed thoughts to life and placing them in perspective.
Sorry but I disagree with this too. It is not true that the parents of mentally ill people generally prefer the death of their children. There are mental health institutions that take care of such people and some of them are quite expensive. This is the effect of the emotion that we call love.[/Quote]would you not wish that the man who put a gun against you person, beginning his russian roulette was never born when you are going through the ordeal? when we talk a mad person, it is the extreme case of madness you must consider. the child who is dead the yorubas say is better than the child who is lost.


[Quote]Those that deny the fact that the buildings were brought down by the planes are simply conspiracy theorists and we know this based on the preponderance of evidence in support of the planes bringing down the buildings. If you disagree with this, then all I'd like to ask is whether or not you agree that those buildings were hit by planes.[/Quote]not every building hit by plane implodes. not every building that experience fire implodes. no every build that get hit by plane and catches fire implodes. but tower 7 was a 47 story build some distance away owned by the owner of towers 1 and 2. tower 7 never got the experience of being hit by a plane. the owner said on tv, i told them to pull. hence they decided to pull, just mere hours or less later. now tell me how a 47 story building comes down as soon as the command was given, unless slated for such a command much earlier? i will leave the molten steal experience for you to research.


[Quote]In other words, you disagree with the late bin Laden's "revelation"? Yet for some reason, knowledgeable Islamic clerics and other educated people agree with his interpretation. How can one who is on the outside tell the difference?[/Quote]was anyone of them a prophet with a book or another book after the Quran? Allah says one should take the best meaning of the Quran. some hypocrites may look at the verse of how many is permissible to marry may come to 10 by additions of 2 and 3 and 4 and 1, dubiously ignoring that each is a choice and not addition to another choice.


[Quote]Oh no. I asked if they were muslims in the first place.[/Quote]i stated that the greatest enemies of muslims and islam come from the muslims themselves. have you heard of samson and delila? it was delila the wife of samson who knew the hair was the source of the physical power of samson. she was the one that suggested that they should shave him and he will be weak. this is an illustration of the real enemy is aways from within, while the enemies outside cant really succeed without knowing what the insiders know.


[Quote]Well the world population has grown exponentially with the application of science and reason. I'm sorry but I simply have to let you know that they cannot be victorious if they refuse to apply science and reason in their governments. That of course is why emerging countries especially the BRIC nations simply will not adopt what they see in countries with Muslim majorities. In fact, many Islamic majority countries are trying to break away from the old Islamic teachings but are being held back by the fundamentalists and clerics who are probably afraid of losing power.[/Quote]when ever Allah Wills Success, no force can hod it back. islam of muhammad [as] was unknown until muhammad [as] proclaimed it. from that time on, the world have never forgotten it. when Allah Wills to bring it up from its low place now, the likes of salaudeen will come to the world stage with the virtues of islam. remember america was once a place not worth mentioning. nothing is impossible, just like spain started the renaissance of europe, a new renaissance of islam can come at anytime if many go back to pristine islam; great belief level, doing tremendousgood deeds, cooperating together in all things that are good, defending the weak, studying and researching, etc. there is no better position than obedience to and reliance on God.[/quote][/quote]

^^^^^^^^^^ does it include the preaching is in vain if jesus didn't die and rose up?

paul said after jesus rose he was seen by the 12, and also him [paul].

did paul count the 11 and created a 12th person, considering that judas iscariot was to have been dead by suicide already?


suicide. very interesting committed from a true friend of biblical jesus.

@Thehomer; « #4 on: Today at 05:13:21 PM »
[Quote]I don't quite get your train of thought here because I'm working from the premise that the God of the Bible exists and presented the Bible as it is. If this is so, then he is actually evil based on our conception of evil.[/Quote]and then you chose one of the many points to operate from. your idea of God is based on your idea of what God should be. If God does not intend to punish, where is justice, if all God does is giving mercy? the evil doer will commit evil with ever receiving justice. the good of the doer of good will be watered down with ever knowing that his reward is truly a mercy from God.



[Quote]Yes it is a bad thing. He can do it himself. He does this regularly so why should he co-opt or coerce these Israelites? Making someone who does not want to kill people go out and kill people makes the instigator a pretty terrible person.[/Quote]have you seen a soul, or the one who removes the soul from the living to render it lifeless? no death occurs unless God ordains it. so in essence, it is God's will, except that those who are unjust employs evil means to accomplish the Will of God.



[Quote]I disagree with this. You simply cannot make this extrapolation because as we have seen, cultures evolve.[/Quote]how sure are you that my thinking is not the better? in the time of Lot, the men wanted men. Today women want women. grown men want young boys. some want infant children as in the south african hiv/aids sufferers thinking these infants are means of cure. people are changing their gender, literally. all of these are in addition to men still wanting men, and other evils from the olden days, while idolatry remain, still. today some people call themselves god and they have followers. imagine if there is no death, will there be a cleansing of the human community of those who love to do evil? your concept of justice is definitely unjust. i am certain that if push comes to shove, it is idealist like you that may not know the limit of anger and revenge. how will you handle a killer that invades your property intending to harm you? will you give him cold drink and be hospitable so much so you offer him one of your women to marry that very moment?



[Quote]How do you decide who is on the wrong path? Is it one who does not follow the Bible or the Qur'an or the Torah or any one of the numerous and contradictory religious texts out there? You say he is never unjust yet he shows himself to be unjust.[/Quote]God's standard is the only standard in this case.



[Quote]Sorry but I do not think genocide is the best course. Think of what you're saying. If a person looks around and decides that since currently, so many Muslims have become so tightly associated with suicide bombing and random murder of civilians with some of these videos posted online, why don't we go out and exterminate them so that they do not corrupt other non-muslims?
The thing is that performing such an act is unjust so is commanding people to do it. Especially when one considers that among this vast population of people are children, pregnant women, old people, young people and others who simply had nothing to do with this image being presented.[/Quote]i never advocated genocide. i do know that the action of prophet Moses [as] could not have included the killing of innocent. And only God Who knows the truly innocent. the unseen as in the future is unknown to you. so a child who will grow up to be hitler is better of dead as a youth. he is even better of dead as a fetus. his mother is better of dead before she bore him. just imagine how many lives would have been spared if his mother or him or both had perished before the turn of the 20th century? well, neither you nor i is a knower of the future, so we rely on the event of the past. you advocated for the preservation of the life of hitler and you read about the outcome in the books. i advocate against his life. if my thinking had prevailed at least he would not played such a horror in the world.



[Quote]I disagree with this too. Such a person should be able to decide for himself whether or not to continue living. And I don't think the death of a person while doing good deeds is necessarily better especially when one thinks of the incidents of the brutal murders of NYSC members in the line of duty.[/Quote]i see that you look at things from a snapshot of the moment. a great grandmother whose great grand children are dying while she has become old as only bone and skin without any flesh making her looking as she a living skeleton, if you ask her she will preferred death. if you ask those who are caring for her, you hear the same from them. even israel will prefer ariel sharon to die already that lay dead alive by life support in bed where the once overweight modern day tyrannical pharaoh is drying up. the NYSC youths, there could have been a worse condition. i remember reading about a young man in a thread on nairaland. he was a student in the university in one of the eastern states. he found himself naked in the city of lagos when he came to his senses. according to him, he said that he must have trekked from his home in the east of nigeria to lagos. imagine that! he was a university student. what if this was his condition till his death? i believe when he was in that state of madness, his father would have preferred that he died before his madness started. i am hoping that you can read appropriate meaning to this. remaining alive at all cost is not the best option. those who terminate lives by force are satanic if only when they are committing the act.




[Quote]Is it really? How do you know that bin Laden is not guided by "inspiration"? The problem is that he seems to be able to back up his statements from the Qur'an. That is one reason why he is able to have such an influence. This is why I try to encourage people to think for themselves rather than relying on authority to make crucial decisions for them.
[/Quote]Inspiration in this case is the Quran and Quran is completed since over 1400 years ago. The truth is that he has not been found guilty in the way america normally processes her accused. While i am not for evil, I am always against evil and injustice. it seems that many more americans have the same quality the reason you see more people asking what happened to Tower No 7 and talking about Termite as possible agent of intentional demolitions. Lets be patient. the truth will come out, if not in our lifetime definitely in our children's children's children's children. If Osama bin Laden or anyone from the muslim community did it or any evil at all, justifying it from the Quran is impossible for many reasons; I will list two.
In Quran itself preaches against evil, and prefers wholesale forgiveness and overlooking instead of retaliation, when it is legally due and justifiable. The Quran warns that when one retaliates it should be in the same kind in which one has been violated, and not not retaliate in a degree more than what you are avenging. without going further, you will see that retaliation is strictly according to a definite road map, often very difficult to accomplish. you can't punish the innocent for the sin committed by a relative, otherwise muslim may as well convert to christianity a system that believes the innocent carries the punishment of the guilty.
in islam, the guilty is the one who should bear the consequence of retaliation. but if a man were to violate a woman, can her people violate him in the same way without become a people of Lot? so this type of sin, one cant truly seek retaliation because you can't retaliate upon his woman folk who for all intense and purposes is innocent.
there is no justification for what happened on 911 or the previous WTC incident of 1993, or similar evil deeds. they are evil and done on innocent people by those who committed them.



[Quote]Oh really? Christians and William Lane Craig are muslims? How about someone like A. C. Grayling, and the so called "New Atheists" are they muslims too?[/Quote]i am not saying they are not enemies of islam. i am simply saying that musims are he real enemies of islam. if there are no muslims who are enemes of islam, even the enemies from the outside, will be rendered powerless in their words and all their efforts to undermine islam. this will be similar to the adage; your enemy is always outside, but the one who will doom you is always inside your home. if the doom comes from within, without him, the outside enemies are just that with their never to come to fruition plans. like it is in islam, you are not a sinner until you commit sin, regardless of your continuous thought. it is better you don't think about it, but the thought alone does not make you a sinner, without the act.



[Quote]In that case, victory will never come because most of humanity is not Muslim and many do not like Islam.[/Quote]When Muslims were "Victorious" in those days, whatever you call victory, they were significantly fewer than the estimated 1.5 Billions people of today. What they had then was exponentially greater Faith and they actually put it to practice just as much, while the muslims of today were many but their faith if any is insignificant, like the foam of the sea to the power of the sea current. Victory from my point of view does not mean when muslims defeat their enemies in battles, or the number of the dead from the enemies. Victory is when the muslims are one voice, marching towards what is right as one body, speaking out against evil, while they themselves avoid it and performing good deeds, so much so the enemies can't do but to imitate the muslims, clearly knowing that they are doing so. This way, the enemies will be forced to melt at your sight,in the same way pharaoh perished while Moses was victorious.

@Idehn; « #156 on: Yesterday at 07:50:16 PM »
[Quote]Considering that almost the whole of Biological science is grounded by evolutionary theory(not to mention the plethora of evidence that supports it) doubtful. The fact that you say with certainty that it scientifically flawed and illogical is indicative of the fact that you either have no idea what Evolution actually is beyond some silly caricature you have projected onto it or you simply do not care too understand it.

Furthermore, the current fashionable creation myths that describe a infinitely complex "thing" creating the universe with what can only be described as magic, requires a lot more than a "little" delusion.[/Quote]Can science proof that something can come out of nothing considering the same science saying that; for every action there is equal reaction [this is how equilibrium is achieved] and energy can not be created or destroyed [it may occur in different form of energy]?

why not apply the principle of your argument against creation, above, to evolution as see if it will hold, considering nothing can evolve into these many complex 'things [human and iron are just two of the many uncountable things we know, but even more are still unknown from the group of things from your evolution concept], whereby at least the scientist will have to readjust the concepts of equilibrium and impossible destruction of energy if not many more?

iron can't substitute for human like the way zebra may for donkey or a horse. there is noway a single particle, so small that they think it has position but no size to reckon with, will give a loud banging noise! at best it is a whimper noise and such a particle that is singular in unit content since it has no size can not break into bigger and more complex complex matters and substances that we find biological and non biological 'magically' emanating from it.

it is a theory untested and unsubstantiated at best. in reality it is delusional hypothesis.

^^^^^^^^^^^ what i find difficult to accept is that pagan9ja is finding excuse the accommodate the killing of twins because they are unaware of their environment at the time that they were killed.

is that a moral reason to kill them, even at that time, when the joy was 2 times the joy of a single birth? i find this terribly unacceptable even now that we know from biology that it is truly a bumper crop occurrence, if i can express it that way.

if your cow produces 4 calves, do you kill all the calves which are part of your wealth? what if your corn field yield more ears of corn, do you destroy the stalks and render your labor to waste?

paganism is attractive to those who may hate the truth. we can't say that paganism was established in human community before belief in One God Who does not need a representation by stature, if we believe that modern man came by creation of the first man; Adam.

And just because something is foreign to your land does not mean that it should be shunned. often it is good for you.

@Thehomer; i believe, if i am wrong correct me, that you are operating from one of or combination of these premises; There is no God. If there is a God, He is not that important in real time and sense as to hold sway over all affairs. If God is holding sway, then He is unjust in His ways because a single thing that 'thehomer' deems evil is one evil too many. God is not Holy or Good at all by the way He has set up the process of human lives, regardless of the principles that may apply between man as in action has consequences, a good action deserves a good consequence, while a bad action, if the consequence is equally bad, the one who experience the reaction should have expected it.



[Quote]« #2 on: Today at 08:13:43 AM »
Actually, we would. Recall that these wars were written in the Bible and were carried out based on God's instructions. To say that they were not God's instructions would imply that those who did this were either lying or deluded people who simply wanted to kill people for their land.[/Quote]Do you blame your professor for failing you if you do badly in the test? If God wiped out evil people by the hand of God fearing souls, is that a bad thing if you truly understand it as such? Consider if God had allowed the people of Noah to flourish even till today; what we will see will be Lot people's evil on top of all of that. Then the evil of the people of Pharaoh also on top of that. Soon enough, when the WW2 came about the action of the third reich would not have been a sore in the eyes of morality.

To me, the jews were killed under third reich because they were jews, the same way the jews are killing palestinians for just being palestinians and the hausa-fulani cabal killing the other ethnic peoples because they are other ethnic peoples. The children of Israel under Moses killed the disbelievers who were on the wrong path, after due warnings from God [i know the bible didn't tell you that, the reason you must read the Quran where God says He is never unjust to His creation and will not punish a people until they are duly warned]. The set of killing done by Hitler is immoral and unjustifiable. The set of killing done by Moses is to control and cut short the expansionism of evil. You should realize that is the best course, if decency is ever to be allowed to blossom. To me, this is Mercy on all human beings, otherwise many more peoples could have been copy cats rendering human beings to the breed where it is very rare really to find any goodness. Just imagine how bad human race could have turned if you thing we are bad, right now without such intervention?



[Quote]In the case of Jesus and the trinity, the concept of the trinity is also up for debate but, it could easily serve as one more point of separation among the people involved.[/Quote]even at that, you will agree that there is good unpleasant outcome; a person dying young while doing good deeds is better than a person living long with a long term stress on himself and his loved ones, if he were to have suffered everyone by his condition for many decades [it is better that he dies, is a well known expression which i hope that you must have heard], when he finally dies, his death is a relief on the people who have been laden by his suffering, at least.



[Quote]The suicide bombers have also made some religious requests like the one from bin Laden advicing America that their main desire if for her to become an Islamic nation. As is being reported here.[/Quote]Osama bin Laden's statement, if different from the Quran, can we take it over the Quran? The messenger [as] had to in every respect conform to the Quran. if anyone doesn't, Bin Laden or not, can we take his decision as the prevailing authority? We cant, because even the human authority [as] had to be guided by the 'inspiration', the real Authority; The Words of God.



[Quote]Do you consider Christians as enemies or is it just the apologist?[/Quote]neither of them is the true enemies of Islam. that group is in Islam itself; the muslims. it is in islam you will find deviants and outright hypocrites. these two are lukewarm muslims whose presence pollute the muslim community and people use that to smear Islam. Victory will come when muslims return to Islam. even in that state, when they suffer defeat[s], such will stand in the same position as tests of faith. i remember a story where the early muslims defeated their enemies without a single arrow from either side. God make the enemies see the mere brushing of teeth tradition with chewing stick seemed as if the muslims were 'sharpening their teeth in preparation to eat the enemies'. incidentally, both are naturally forbidden to believers who should not change their nature or eat human flesh.

^^^^^ why do we not expect temporary memory lapse, the reason a person with good religion can behave badly, opposing the virtue[s] of the religion he professes, instead of saying he has a bad God just because he behaves badly?

if you can't find his God telling him to commit the bad behavior, why fault his God, instead of him?

we wouldn't fault Yahweh for the wars of Moses and the present day jews.

we wouldn't fault the Trinity for the potential wars that Jesus proposed but couldn't mount enough soldiers to carry out and the many wars of present day christians.

why should the game change when it comes to the muslims, who inspite of the many verses condemning killing and definitely suicide, some commit it? when you look at the history of the suicide bombers, they are fighting for nation, not religion. they often vie far away from the tenets of this religion when they commit this terrible act, otherwise they would have let the warning against such act prevail in their hearts.

opinions of enemies are most of the time subjective, the reason they are enemies.

^^^^^^^^^^ Is the christian looking forward beyond the rapture coming up this may?

and the first 5 verses of Surah Alaq was the first revelation to the prophet. these 5 verses dealt with evolution from lack of knowledge to acquisition of knowledge and that biological evolution of human fetus. are these coincidences or accidentals or pure declaration of what it is; deliberate?

@Idehn; « #149 on: Today at 07:45:03 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:51:17 AM
if you youtube 'stem cell research and islam', you will learn something about the view of this noble religion. islam is really progressive, though the muslims may not.

I seem recall that you are opposed to evolution. If islam/muslims cannot bring themselves to accept this fundamental tenant of Biological Science, then I would have to say progressiveness within the Quran is at best a coincidence and at worst an accident.[/Quote]Evolution as in the stages of the development of the fetus, islam supports. Evolution as in Fish changing to modern human at a long period of time, islam does not support it. i wonder when i spoke about evolution? if you want to know where islam stands, consult the Quran, Hadith and scholarship materials on that specific subject. i am a beginner in islamic knowledge. i am still learning, so you can expect mistakes from a kindergarten child when you give me linear algebra problems.

@Martian; « #41 on: April 19, 2011, 08:51 AM »
[Quote]Sweetnecta Son of Bitternecta,[/Quote]Who informed you of this? Martian did you ever see Close Encounter Movie Series or Cone Heads? They were about aliens. you will love them since you know the drills.


[Quote]you don't have to defend Jesus Son of Mary from the false statements. He'll come do that himself on the 21st of May! A muslim like you should repent because your hell doesn't exist but trust me by May 22nd you'll be in the christian hell.[/Quote]Jesus son of Mary i defend knows nothing about trinity. I think you are thinking about another one. Jahannam exists. When a person says 'trust me', there a lie coming up. The Christians have lake of fire.


[Quote]You go around harping on and on about how false christianity is, like your faith is more reasonable. Y'all borrow the Jews' folklores, then you demonize them and the other Abrahamic faith and act like your version isn't more barbaric.[/Quote]tell me if Adam was a jew since we wrote about him, but in mostly dissimilar way from the jews? its the common person that we wrote about is your reason for saying the later borrowed from the former, even though the contents are different? Tell me where islam is barbaric? Moses had more wars and or perished more people. The christians pretended as if they would not have fought if they had the strength, the reason no modern day wars are fought without their signing on.


[Quote]I wonder how all the other "prophets" you always mention are all jewish patriachs except for mohammed. Did god/allah get so tired of talking to the jews through burning bushes that he decided to go talk to some arab in a cave?[/Quote]Who was the first jew among these people; Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael [if father Abraham was a jew, son Ishmael will have to be a jew], Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and his brothers, Judah the brother of Joseph, the children of Judah, the whole grandchildren of Jacob? If none of these people, who? I wanna see how perceptive you are, instead of empty statements.


[Quote]A Prophet is a person who speaks for god. Like a spokesman or maybe a press secretary. The difference between the three is that the former can never make his client available because his client lives somewhere inside his skull.[/Quote]a liar is a person who says he has a brain [incidentally, brain is housed in the skull. i guess you are saying brain is god in your above logic], but can show it. can you show me your brain? even a simple situation; you enjoy fresh air, sometimes? Show me fresh air. who made you come about to this complex thing call human from a mere mixture of papa and mama's drops of liquid from mere excitement they engage in often?


[Quote]Lets assume your fables are true, why do you even refer to Adam as a prophet? prophet to whom? His nuclear family? Or maybe to the other creatures?[/Quote]Prophet because he was aware of the Oneness of God Who created him. Every prophet had this awareness. i can give you more reasons, but it seem to me that you are not ready to learn, yet. Prophet to the environment; animals, etc. For example he built the first house where the name of God is proclaimed. The house is called the kaaba, right there in makka. after the flood of noah, Abraham with the help of ishmael rebuilt it using the foundation footing that remained. his nuclear family and those generation that saw him alive. Even he was a prophet to himself, then to himself and wife, then to himself, wife and children, then to himself, wife, children and generations of humans that came from the children before he passed on.


[Quote]I wonder why allah didn't bother to send a prophet to the chinese , native americans or africans. I guess these ethnic groups didn't exist 6000 years ago or whenever you religious kooks believe your god spoke everything into existence.[/Quote]every people had a prophet. the single prophet that was sent to everyone in a single message was the last of them; Muhammad [as]. He said in a hadith that the world saw 124,000 prophets. the children of israel was not the only people to have receive prophets before muhammad, the reason he warned us not t abuse the sages of any people who came before him. that sage could have been a prophet, if he is a man.


[Quote]About the bolded part above, why is it so hard for you people to understand that an Omnipotent being who is supposed to be benevolent will LIKELY refrain for roasting people just because they don't believe in him because theres no evidence he exists, or because they belive he has a son, or because they refuse to wear a burqa or whatever ignorant reasons you people give.[/Quote]i guess you are in a fighting mood. The most liberal [lets assume liberalism is to mean most forgiven here] society will punish a particular brand of criminal. will you agree if a criminal in such a society begins to kill 2 people every saturday, it will take less than a year before the society will decide to kill him, if it will stop him and deter potential copy cat[s]. if mankind know that there are some implied bad acts [sins] worthy of hash punishment, then God Who from His Mercy provided messengers and prophets with books of guidance should not be doubted to demand His Right based on the guidance He has provided which you shun. yet it is His air you breathe, earth you walk, sustenance you survive on. The brain in your skull which you can show, yet leads you to this type of mischief, He gave it to you, unless you will deny that you have no brain, i will gladly accept your verdict on yourself.


[Quote]And if your god truly exist, why don't you stfu and let him perform a couple of miracles to prove his existence. After all didn't he help mohammed[b] split the moon in two?[/b][/Quote]if this bold does not move you, nothing will until reality is brought to you at the point of death. death will happen to all of us.


[Quote]Jesus son of Mary doesn't need your delusional thoughts or help so Sweetnecta son of Sournecta, keep your ancient barbaric bedouin bull$hhit to yourself and mohammed(pbuh, no F_ck him).[/Quote]nigeria is breeding them by the minutes. i weep for her. is this how you show your independence and or anonymity? Learn culture so that your people can know that your speech will not cause them grieve if somebody with your type of headiness does respond in kind.


[Quote]You people are guilty of larceny!! How can you steal the jews' god, change his name and then claim he's always being yours? Just like all these black people saying god must be black/nigerian or jesus was black or god is their father!!! That god concept belongs to the jews, make up your own fairytales already or better yet, drop all delusions. If a character that fits the description of jesus ever existed, the guy probably thought the whole world consisted of the middle east and nothing beyond Egypt.[/Quote]limited knowledge may actually be worse than no knowledge at all. God is an English word, just as Chineke is its equivalent in Igbo. Every human being believes that there is a source that brings him about. We who belief in creation say this source is the Creator. The Arab calls Him Allah while Syriac people say Elah. Are we now to say that no people except the Jews believe in the Creator? this is your argument, unless i misread you?


[Quote]and this statement of yours is just dripping with stupidity. "rapture, i swear by God will never happen, because every man will die, including jesus when he comes back."
If jesus actually came back, that would mean the bs in the bible is reallytrue Grin Grin Grin Grin so how the hell is he gonna die if he is indeed the son of god?[/Quote]you are worse than i thought. you need to learn some civility because someday, you get out of university and stop being a burden on your parents. in real world, you will meet people that you may have to not abuse them as you have been doing here. otherwise, you may be the loser in more ways than one. Why having a son, and not try a second son, even a daughter? you see where it is leading to? procreation is the instinctive reason one has a offspring, always of similar kind. Jesus was a jew as you alluded, so is his father in heaven a jew, too? Jesus was a son of Joseph the carpenter, is his father in heaven actual the carpenter man named joseph? Jesus was the son of mother Mary, is father in heaven the husband of mother Msry? i can give you a thousand and one things to help you know if Jesus is son of God or not, in the fashion that i established, above. Does the Creator needs a junior?


[Quote]On a final note, there is no god but Shango and if you doubt this may his double headed axe smash that skull of yours into smithereens.[/Quote]thats on you, man. i am certain your arrogance may get you into hot water, if you not learn how to restrain yourself.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ these are the possibilities;
1]. what you call gift of the spirit, is really gift of the bad spirit. the pastors are not prophets of God, as Jesus said using the test in the Bible.

or

2]. the BBC documentary is against truth because they perceived it as false because they do not love truth.

or

3]. the truth is different from the two above. it is different from [1] in part because the truth lies somewhere else all together. the spirit of truth from God had already came and christendom completely ignored it and keep denying its reality. and it is different from [2] in part because BBC see to much of the false that christendom and others brought that they throw up their hands and just said it is easier to say religion is false or man made and God does not exist [the arguments of so many groups; spiritualist says religion is man made, atheist says God does not exist because in part they want physical God while the ignore the physical and practical evidences that there is a Mover, a Single controller, Agnostics say that God is incapacitated, not really needed to oversee all things].


falsehood has tainted truth by its very nature so that those are familiar with it overlook truth when they got to it. they have already became blind, not wanting to see another evil, but good was also missed as it passes along in front of the one who intentionally became blind to everything.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [Quote]John 1:1-4
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.[/Quote]I bet Genesis disagree with this John, above.

The beginning [Genesis] has God.

The middle [John] is claiming beginning of 2 Gods; The real God and His word, as in speech/ audible word?


[Quote]3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.[/Quote]What role did the Speaker of the mere word [His means of commanding things to come to existence [made]] play in the making of what you are now claiming for the 'word'? Who is the maker, the word or the Speaker of the word?
who is more important; the Speaker of the word, Who, if He does not speak the word does not exist, or the word that can not exist unless spoken by the Speaker?

if you youtube 'stem cell research and islam', you will learn something about the view of this noble religion. islam is really progressive, though the muslims may not.

@Zatas; « #145 on: Today at 01:18:13 AM »
[Quote]Why are we threatening each other and getting all personal. This is the problem of religion. taking things to heart, instead of reasoning things out. in fact, taking things to weapons.

@Sweetnecta Islam vs Christianity is like pitting your left hand against your right. It really does not make sense, considering they are all so similar. It is very self defeating. they all stem from Judaism and they all carry forward the same fundamental flaws. It is an extremely retrogressive argument and serves no purpose at all. With or without the differences, religion has always and will always be at odds not only with science but with knowledge as a whole. Christianity perhaps benefits from the fact that most of its followers don't take it seriously and don't even know its bible. We just need to start taking religion less seriously.[/Quote]If man discusses other issue where there are different views points, you will see the same problem that you are ascribing to religion. it is in human nature to differ and show it in different degrees.

Islam is not against Christianity. Telling christians that they are wrong is a sign of endearment, if you ask me. When our professor says you are wrong and gives you the reasons, he is not against you. But he simply wish you well, by telling you the truth. Islam is not from Judaism. And being similar is not a sign of commonality. Finally, Islam is not against stem cell research if it does not have the agenda to play God; creating lives and or destroying potential lives. If it is developed to cure diseases and improve existing lives, it is in agreement with Islam.

^^^^^^^^^^ You are still in school, being pampered by mom and dad, or you are on your own, so that i will know how eager you are to commit financial harakiri?

which state are you from so that i can know how to make the people hate you after you have bankrupted them by bankrolling your offer?

what country are you from, because the chaos you will bring about to her citizen, they will think the worst of the almajiris is financial paradise?

i do hope you are not from continental africa because i will hate to see the people being classified as fifth world?

i hope you are from another planet, the reason you do not have a really deep sight when you throw out this type of challenge thinking that my price is within you reach? in reality, it isn't. you will turn your society to a community of destitute if i name my price and they assist you to fulfill such a demand.

again is your youth that is running ring around you. everyone has a price. price of some people are jaw dropper. enjoy your show.

[Quote]« #137 on: Today at 06:46:09 PM »

Quote from: Pastor AIO on Today at 06:39:31 PM
Some would disagree, but I won't mention Deepsight's name otherwise he will accuse me of picking on him!

LOL! Actually, i don't disagree. Your communication style is easy to follow, I have no problems with that. I just wish you wouldn't shut down and then explode in fits and starts.[/Quote]and he denied worshiping him. you dont have to bow down to your idol before you worship it. you only have to revere and exaggerate the actual status of what is your idol. example; cheistians to jesus. catholics to mary in addition. a wife who says yes to every thing, including the evil her husband may commit. the same goes for the husband. if you love money to pieces you are worshiping it. like the jews who cant let a kobo go without wanting to pocket it. i see the youth in your misbehavior. so i overlook everything.



@zataxs « #138 on: Today at 07:20:37 PM »
[Quote]@Pastor AIO

If Islam is what made muslims build Dome of the Rock does it make it Islam a good thing. What then of the Aztec religions?[/Quote]dome of the rock is a mosque that housed the rock. no one pay too much attention to the rock. it receives less attention than the Kaaba, which is the Quibla; direction is the meaning of Quibla. Kaaba is located in Haraam Mosque, just like the rock is located in the Dome of the Rock Mosque.



[Quote]So even if, though I disagree, that religion may have resulted in progress (religion has an uncanny tendencies of trying to attribute credit to itself when it is clearly not due), We need to ask ourselves,  at what cost? , Ask Galileo.

It is too expensive. we cant just sit down and force ourselves to give the church credit on some pieces of art and ignore the atrocities and outright blocking of progress e.g stem cell.

religion is at odds with science. and with progress.[/Quote]i wonder if this fella realizes that Islam allows stem cell research as long as it is not a process to foster 'playing God'? Islam is never at odd in real progress.



[Quote],  bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” Luke 19:27[/Quote]you need to quote the complete verse. if you are intending to be honest, go all out.



@Pastor AIO « #139 on: Today at 07:35:48 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: zataxs on Today at 07:20:37 PM
@Pastor AIO

If Islam is what made muslims build Dome of the Rock does it make it Islam a good thing. What then of the Aztec religions?

So even if, though I disagree, that religion may have resulted in progress (religion has an uncanny tendencies of trying to attribute credit to itself when it is clearly not due), We need to ask ourselves,  at what cost? , Ask Galileo.

It is too expensive. we cant just sit down and force ourselves to give the church credit on some pieces of art and ignore the atrocities and outright blocking of progress e.g stem cell.

religion is at odds with science. and with progress.

I never said Islam was a good thing, or any religion for that matter.  I said it would give a turbo-boost to your orientation, I didn't say it would give you that orientation.  ( I don't know the dome of the rock, I know the Kaaba stone though, but I'll google dome of the rock later).

I never said religion resulted in progress.[/Quote]it is islam that brought the arabs out of the caves of civilization to the peak of it as long they focused on what Muhammad [as] brought. it is the moving away from islam that brought down the 'muslims' [these days most are by name and tradition of birth/family] and plunged the arabs in the malaise that they are in, today. i am sure that in your mind it is ifa and opele that are the real religion combo. if you do not even know about dome of the rock, evidently you dont know about Al Aqsa Mosque, too. what do you know about islam while you have been play a pundit?



[Quote]I'm not sure if stem cell is progress.  In fact on the issue of progress one must first establish a goal and then (only then) can we say whether we are progressing towards the goal or not.

"Religion is at dods with science. and with progress.", so you say.  Can you back this statement up?[/Quote]can you back up your 'satanic verse' from the Quran?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ We are talking about those who say they are following the footstep of Abraham.

i hope you and your family are doing well?

when i have your time i will respond to you.

if you are playful, find a pet, a game, a toy to assist you in that department.

when you open your thread if i do not respond is because i do not have your time.

i am sure others will take you on.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i will not marry a woman once and divorce her 3 times. it is not sensible similar to 3 gods in 1 God or 1 God in 3 gods of the trinity.

it is a good thing that you correct yourself that woman can divorce her husband for those rare reasons. it is the same rare reasons that a man may have for divorcing his wife. no man can wake up in the morning and say i divorce you to a wife who has done him no evil. if such a man exist, know that there is something wrong with him.

the oppression of women by muslim men is not sanctioned by Islam. i will not say the same about the way the Bible describes the women, if we start by the fact that Eve had to carry the whole blame on herself, while Adam was cleared from it.


marriage is a very serious thing in islam. so many things go into it, including contract [pre nuptual agreement/contract], etc inclusing representation of the woman. divorce is such equally a serious thing and it does not happen very lightly, if people are serious about islam. they are God conscious always, so they just don't walk away from one another as if it has been a casual chance of encounter.

please learn about islam and you will know by that knowledge who is a true muslim and those who say they are muslim, but far from the religion.

[Quote]Then read Inesqor's link again.

The matter na old matter, and dem don write one gbalakalada book wey touch on the matter, wey wan cause jihad, abi na lie?[/Quote]this is your best effort?

thats weak, man.

Muhammad [as] told the jews and the christians that the corrupted their revealed books. no one of them challenged him. He said they knew he was the expected messenger. no one said he wasn't the reason many jews and Christians of Madina became Muslim.


In Makka, there was no time that his uncle Abu Lahab became his ally from the moment he told his family that they should abandon idol worshiping.


Now, if there was a moment that your 'satanic verse' ever appeared on the lips of the messenger [as] or on piece of compilation of the Quran, we would have read that Abu Lahab was a friend of the messenger at that moment. This is the first proof.

another proof and i will stop to allow you to think; Allah revealed the chapter of total disbelief that Abu Lahab will die on in the early period of makka. This chapter is called Al Masad [chapter 111], which says Abi Lahab will die as a disbeliever. If there was a satanic verse, Abi Lahab would have been on the side of muhammad [AS]. This never happened. Abi Lahab was told upon the revelation of the chapter that his nephew said he will die as a disbeliever. He died before the messenger left makka, while the chapter hung on his head for 10 years before he died.

He died without been buried in the ground by a simple slap on his face from one of his a wife of one of his brothers. A small scratch developed to a horrible sore. it is the sore that killed him. he was stinking so much that they had to throw stones to pile upthe house which everyone else abandoned, leaving him to rot in it. the stones were coming in even before he died. this is a miracle itself.


now tell me when did the satanic verse occurred? Making an allegation is not good enough today without proof[s] to back it up. You know that salman ate his words? Now roll up you sleeves and dig in.


Quran; chapter and verse, please.



@Free123; and when i dont obey, you and deep sight will do what now?

Dont go do illegal thing to satisfy me. my price may bankrupt your states or the nation as a whole. i am very expensive.

Salman Rushdie is the Quran?

Salman Rushdie said every white woman, regardless of who she is, is easy to bed, the reason the 1989 summer time wilding took place in Central park in NYC .

Is every white woman an easy sexual object? Of course not. So salman is incorrect, as the bible is incorrect by flip flopping.


Deep sight, use your eyes. I said a verse from the Quran. Can you produce it.


You produced Jeremiah 8 verse 8. Produce such a verse, plainly from the Quran. I do not want a fairy tale. I want a verse that i can look up in the Quran on the internet and read.

it what you provide is not in the Quran, you and your pastor should be contrived.


i am being a gentleman here.

[Quote]« #112 on: Today at 11:37:28 AM »

Lol @ worshipping Pastor AIO. Obviously you have not even been reading this thread.

Please I beg you in the name of God, stop posting on Nairaland. I am willing to pay you for that. How much will you accept to stop posting on Nairaland. I am willing to pay any amount. Please this is a serious proposition.[/Quote]You wanna bankrupt your state?

i am very expensive, you know.

or you are going to perform a major operation to meet your proposal?

The nigerian government hasn't stopped executing armed robbers. i don't wanna read a thread about somebody doing evil and mention my username in any court of law.

ok.

i dont speak broken.

@Aloy-emeka; Bia, ol boy.

stop your lies against Allah.

we know you hate the northerners.

that should not make you hate Islam, because many of us who are not northerners are muslims.

let me tell you, i will not go along with the north in any of their action that is not from Islam. i do not accept falsehood.

though the muslims are my brothers and sisterd, i have responsibility to support them by opposing them when they do evil so that they can come back to the truth. in such a condition, if their is fight, i prefer to be on the side of truth instead of tyranny because he or she is muslim. it does not work that way because my allegiance is to Allah, the Messenger [as] and true believers, not hypocrites.


your hatred of islam, whatever added reason[s] you have, should not push you to lie against Allah that it is permissible for the north to slaughter people. show me the verse in the Quran. otherwise stop the untruth against Allah and Islam.


On a different matter;Nigeria need to plant grass on her lawn and field, open space, instead of stripping everything of vegetation and exposing a desert like land, throwing up dust even on the president as he campaigned. the houses should be painted every so many years instead of the only time when it is just being completed as a new house. maintain your properties, people. keep repairing before irt begins to fall apart. it will last longer and look new when it is much much older.

^^^^^^^^^^What irritates you in a name?


Fortunately, the freedom to post or not is mine, alone. Just as you have your freedom to seek against me, i have my God given freedom to conduct myself in what i see as moral for me.

I am not hurting you, except if your ego is fragile.

I know you worship pastoraio. i dont. if you are offended by my responding to him, tough.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ I quoted Jeremiah 8 verse 8 to indict the Bible. open the Bible, you will find it.

You convicted the Bible by projecting a lie against the Quran.

I now call your bluff and if you are certain of your morality, honesty and dignity, if not for your self, for your group, the people who read the Bible, please provide to the world the 'satanic verse' you accuse the Quran of containing.

I bet my last nigeian currency [naira and kobo lao ma noo. 100 kobo is equal to 1 naira], against your english pounds or european euros, you will never be able to provide it.

The Quran is there for you to examine. So examine it. It will frustrate you and in vain you will search for your 'satanic verse'.

it is easy to accuse. today you must back up your allegation with evident. i provided mine. now is your turn; we want chapter and verse of the Quran so that the world can see how true your words are. i say you not truthful. thats the fact.

@Olaadegbu; « #89 on: Yesterday at 01:55:46 PM »
[Quote]
@Olaadegbu; « #84 on: Yesterday at 11:46:23 AM »
Leave the RCC and Evolutionists out of this and allow them to defend their 73 books and chicken and egg riddle respectively. What part of my claim do you not understand, the 39 books of the OT or the 27 (3 x 9) books of the NT?[/Quote]The same RCC you pattern your Protestant Bible on? Read the Topic of the Thread, again. It is talking about the "Bible". Not Protestant's, or RCC or even Jewish Bible. It says Bible in general, or in the generic sense. Maybe you think the only Bible around is the one you read. Your problem is that with so many 'Bibles', which one should I pull out to argue its corruption? Do you have a Bible that Jeremiah 8 verse 8 does not appear to chastise the writers? Is this verse from God and what purpose is it revealed? Has the problem[s] been rectified? Please show me the place of correction and what was the correct about?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 12:10:49 PM
Are you as a Muslim saying that God cannot preserve His Word? If not, produce the preserved Word so that we can compare notes.[/Quote]It does seem that the Christian God intended to preserve the Bible based on Jeremiah 8 verse 8. Correct me, if the verse is meaningless.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 12:10:49 PM
Why are you guys so much on Paul's case like this, did he touch a raw nerve?[/Quote]Doesn't Jeremiah 8 verse 8 apply to Paul? Or are you going to claim it does apply to Jesus and or earlier Prophet? Consider that Paul said Jesus was cursed for him and you, while the earlier prophets said that those who are cursed will dwell in fire of hell, is Paul correct, while Jesus said some people were cursed? Will Jesus accept the category of a cursed person as Paul said? This is the issue with Paul; he is against the master himself. And we in Islam are on the side of the master.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 12:10:49 PM
What is your proof that they are not authentic statements?[/Quote]Is Jeremiah 8 verse 8 not sufficient? What else do you want?



[Quote]
To you, the Qur'an is the inspired revelation directly from Allah via an angel Gabriel and you are not allowed to scrutinize it. But we can and have discovered that it contains some apocrypal writings which were not inspired by God and which you continue to use to attack the divinely given Word of God as you have done here. Produce the original authentic Word of God and let us see who has added or subtracted from them.[/Quote]Jeremiah 8 verse 8 already indicted the Bible. Tell me what indicts the Quran, from Quran or from outside it, except that you will be putting forward a guess work based on the "already indicted Bible"? can we trust your proof since it comes from such a porous source lacking true evidence, except when supported by the same Quran you want to put on trial?

@Kandikane; it is GALADIMALOU@AOL.COM.

all lower case. sorry if i had typed it wrongly.