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^^^^^^ you drag your bag of assortment of evil from thread to thread.

of course, it does matter because if the intention is to cover up and be modest, parading with all eyes on you is not modest is it?

if you cover and your action is 'uncover', is it not the reality that you are not covered?

A muslim woman is assume to be pure in her concept of the existence of God, being One, no three or represented by anything like doll, etc and etc, etc.

You sir, mr. jesus believe in three god existence in trinity.

how can the two concept co exist in a matrimony where the Trinity belief is the dominating one?

husbands usually dominate in the relationship, even if it is the slightest of degree based on physical strength borne out of the gender differences.

the children bear the husband's name as well. the wife tend to lean towards the tendencies of the husband in many situations, including religion in your case.

i am sure that you are looking for a muslim woman to convert; you are using your marriage proposal to push forward your missionary atrocity. you don't mean well for any muslim woman.

your intention is to lead her to disbelief ending up in fire of hell.

What good comes out of such a situation?

@Effiko; « on: Yesterday at 07:21:19 PM »
[Quote]This my GOD has uncountable names that we all{ought to}call him but the one I love calling him the most is the
'ANCIENT OF DAYS'. what about you/ Smiley Smiley Smiley[/Quote]

What is 'ancient of days' and does that fit the description or the nature of God?

Please each one and marry them together before it can never be accepted as a serious opinion.



@Odunnu (f); « #1 on: Yesterday at 07:28:19 PM »

[Quote]When I start, I doubt i'll stop!
I call Him 'the one who is, who was and is to come'[/Quote]

Can who is be who is to come, because the former is present, already while the later is missing in action, now?

It seems to me that you are talking about two entities, the who is and who was is talking about what has always been present before the start to exist what exist[ed] the earliest. But what is to come can't me what has been consistently existing before existence, yet never fail for a moment to exist in the 'state that it has always existing, not allowing metamorphosis in its existence'.

Maybe you need to clarify yourself and marry the obviously two entities to one. The way you left it, above, there are obviously two separate and not equal in the way the exist. Definitely one has the continuance of existence in the same form, while other has termination at some point, at least regardless.

@Sexyduby;« #21 on: April 21, 2011, 03:29 PM »
[Quote] Is Islam a religion? Pscheeeeew Tongue Tongue Tongue I so detest that religion wit a passion
Quote from: Sweetnecta on April 21, 2011, 04:53 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ double take, double post, double sour grapes.

islam will be here long after you, even if you hate it.[/Quote]Deen is religion or way or path of divine purpose. Denying Islam is impossible because you are so animated by it. Detesting Islam is what comes before the love, falling head over heels.

Again, relax. you will live long to ripe old age.And after you are gone, Islam will remain. my prayer is that you do realize Islam before your final hour because when that reality sets in, the only thing is that one bites down a hot burning finger, thou it will be seen by the biter and no one else.

Hellfire consume vigorously.

and my youth in the south west,the best and brightest were for the most part those children who in addition to secular education were in struggle to acquire Islamic education. they had no time to waste. they were very disciplined; always on the go.

to ascribe the northern failure of the youth to islam is actually saying what is supposed to nurture and nourish the body and soul is the poison that is killing them.

i find that hard to accept, because arab students are also exactly as i have said of the south western youths in my experience.

a fertile mind if not cultivated properly, instead of remaining idle it becomes a tinder box. it explodes because the moral code is left to rot.

i am always sad to hear the word Almuhajirin bastardize and twisted so terribly that it has become the poster word for chaos as almajiri.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ there is no place in the Quran or hadith 72 virgins are mentioned.

in paradise, everyone will be a virgin. so are the mate[s].

we should not make disbelievers our scholars, so that we accept what they say about islam over what islam says about itself.

@Yommyuk; « #3 on: Today at 07:51:54 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta

What you lack is what I have, "The Holy Spirit". Without it you are nothing.[/Quote]i don't need the holy spirit that can't point to a single thing he has corrected you on, taught you, led you to that is the truth unknown before or lost after Jesus. I do not need the holy spirit which you said is 'God', but had to wait to hear God before he speaks what God commanded him, with no one hearing what he said. You forgot that God cant command God as the Superior commands subordinate. if this type of command happens the one commanded to obedience is no God at all. and before you claim that Spirit can't talk, you need to realize that God spoke to Moses many times without seeing God, but hearing His Words in clear Voice throughout. God even told Moses when he asked who was speaking that He is God the Almighty commanding him at the burning bush to remove his shoes because he is in a holy ground. Your excused holy spirit is not what i need. I am in good company in obedience by following the unlettered prophet by the scripture given to him, the Quran.




[Quote]Actions speak louder than words.[/Quote]what word did the hoy spirit taught the whole of the christian anew, in correction, guidance, glorifying Jesus son of Mary in the correct manner without exaggeration or diminishing him in purpose, and how have you actioned it in the past 2000 years? think before you respond; new thing that was taught after Jesus is what i need. show me the book i can learn it or read it from.




[Quote]What do you think Jesus meant when he said the following:

John 18:36
"My Kingdom is not an earthly Kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world."[/Quote]while what i think does not matter, the absolute truth alone matters. if the above is not a cop out i dont what is because you christians in your bible drum it ever so loudly that he is the king of the jews! are the jews dwellers of any other place than palestine/israel where they have had kings in their homeland starting from Saul to the son of Solomon? it is the belief of the christian that he is the king of the jews and the jews mock him as such. when the jews were mocking him, was it in heaven or on planet earth? i am not going to go into the fact that a real king always have a throne, just like a real God does not have another God over him. either you have been suckered to accepting falsehood, or you intentionally dont wanna know the truth. the choice will lead to peril except that you change your belief to the truth while you are on earth. please do not forget that the bible recorded that no followers of jesus hung around to see his end, how could they have fought to keep him? cowards ran away. cowards do not hang around to defend their positions. you expose the truth of the bible for people like me to point to you; we see that if it is true that jesus preached non violence, he would not have asked his followers to buy swords and would never have said the above fighting verse, except that cool head prevail knowing that any order to fight will end in bloodbath. when there was not a single disciple to stick around, how can we trust what they said happened when they were not eye witnesses? the above and many that i will not bother to tell you know are indication that the writers embellished to serve their purpose, not what Jesus came with.




[Quote]Where was this Kingdom situated that Jesus was talking about?[/Quote]should you not be asking yourself why you call him the king of the jews if he is not supposed to be a king in land fall palestine?




[Quote]Quote
and as for me, we don't need anyone dying for us, because we will approach our merciful God Who needs no life lost directly, seeking the needed Forgiveness. We shall be given, InshaAllah. so if there was a life given as a ransom, it was in vain and worthless to us

Luke 5:31 recognises your kind.

Jesus answered them, " Healthy people don't need a doctor- sick people do. I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent.[/Quote]While you condemn the whole mankind with original sin, your words to instill guilt in my clear conscience will nor work. the writers of the bible after saying that everyone is a sinner by original sin, except jesus, they forget that they said job was sinless. so were many others who were sinless and even have holy spirit dwelling in them; zacharias and his son and Mary the mother of Jesus, all his contemporary, tell me the sin any of them that it is the death of jesus that will clear it, since i have used job to tell you that original sin is a fluke? just ike i do not need some animal to be killed for me, it is the same way i dont need a man being hung and cursed for me because my God has said He is the Most Merciful and has taught me in the Quran how to seek forgiveness with my heart and tongue. how do i know i am forgiven? i became a person who hates to commit the sin that i used to commit without batting an eye, before. i stopped myself from such a sin. thats the proof that you have been forgiven. do you have such a clear proof except a spit and a prayer of uncertainty?




[Quote]You wont be the first and surely not the last. unto your kind Jesus Christ has decreed:

Luke 10:36
"Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me".[/Quote]the above is o the children of israel in that moment in time, since he said he was sent to them and his disciples should only preach to them and no one else. unless i am a child of israel and jesus is still here with his disciples and where i am is also israel, then what you wrote is meaningless. but then the another comforter arrived and under his domain, till the end of my life. it is in the authority of this another comforter [as] that God will Judge me, so the way to seek mercy here is sincerity of the heart. blood, from animal or human does not apply here.




[Quote]What will you do when you face the throne of Judgement(inc Muhammed) and find the Lamb of God on the throne? You guess is best as mine.[/Quote]which throne will be God then, since the 'lamb' occupies the throne of judgment? what throne will the ghost be occupying? never mind. what throne[s] will the 12 disciples be occupying? how many thrones are there? i remember somebody said paul told them in the bible that he will judge the Angels. lol. how many thrones are there, guy?




[Quote]Unto your kind these things have been hidden from.

Luke 10:21
At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hidding these things from those who think themselves WISE AND CLEVER, and for revealing them to the childlike. Yes, Father, it please you to do it this way.

Are you feeling cool right now with your sole purpose in life which is to discredit the word of God with satanic wisdom invested in you by the Koran. Keep it up. That is were we differ. I approach the word of God with faith like a child accepting and trusting that whatever it says is the absolute truth and nothing but the truth.[/Quote]is that verse coming from anyone who wishes people to be inclusive in the 'mercy' if it is that he brought? the one who is childlike is the nuslims who say that forgiveness is very simple, free without the cost of blood, but only from the heart. my soul purpose in life is to worship God and in the process of living tell people like you about the Most Merciful, while i present easy to accept real proof. you lack evidence that what you have is from God. God's word will not be a confusion. it will be clear and direct and will not contain words of men or their dubious agenda.

my question is where is islam in the hearts of these violent individuals or mob[s]? which prophet did they copy when they kill innocent lives? it is hypocrisy to remain in a path that you refuse to follow its leader.

Muhammad [as] showed mercy, these people showed disregard to life.

they should rethink their ways and enter islam in fullness, instead of behaving as if there is no faith in the heart at the slightest sign of difficulty.

@JeSoul; « #46 on: Yesterday at 02:52:20 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Yesterday at 12:21:25 AM
i have told JeSoul that she should open another thread so we can discuss the Quran if she has any doubt or evidence against it.but she said its not a challenge.

 My dear, it wasn't a challenge - I tried to explain what I meant by that question. But then, I think I might take you up on your offer of opening a thread Smiley. Sweetnecta, I'll be expecting you too bro.[/Quote]i am sure that lagosshia is sufficient in doing the job. i am available to support him, however.

there is no word like 'islamist, muhammadan, jihadist, infidel, etc' that they muslims use for themselves, in the same way they use the word 'slave of Allah/God, believer, etc' and for others 'disbeliever, pagan, etc'. it is the enemy of islam that will say we are islamist, jihadist, we read koran, and we call people infidels'. unfortunately, like dick cheney succeeded in making yellow cake stick, the occidentals and the orientals have succeeded in even making the muslims see themselves in the matter that was imposed upon them.

is it when you pen something that you are the writer? what about when you dictate it and it is penned verbatim by one scribe? what if the scribes writing what you are saying to them to write are 4 in numbers and they wrote exactly what you asked, making therefore 4 originals to check against one another? are you still the writer if what you said 20 years was repeated to someone who paraphrased it as he wished, but not using the exact words he heard? what if the one who heard you say it then paraphrased it when he repeated your statement for the very time, not using your exact words, are the writer, still? what if the 'statement' attributed to you was not 100% from you in the first place whether it was made to be believed by the speaker and the listener/writer that those were your words, yet the final version is always generation, the current generation is not exactly the same as any generation before it, are you still the writer?

which of the many scenarios above has the likelihood of being unadulterated from you? is there a better confirmation than the one written by 4 scribes, all sitting in your presence, writing down what you dictated, each reading it back to you, as you collect it from them, bearing in mind that each has down exactly the same wording as they read it back, individually to you, and based on inspired divine guidance you have photographic memory what you said and what they individually wrote being the same thing?

which of the others can you trust to have 100% accuracy like the one with 4 scribes writing and reading back to you in the place? i am sure you are familiar with the idea that some individuals do ask others to pen letters that they which to write to their grand daughter in boston, as an example. if the 95 year old illiterate grandmother ask james who is a 20 year old university of ibadan student to pen such a loving letter. when the boston resident receive this mail delivered, reading it, if she wants to tell her husband who wrote her from nigeria, will she say i receive letter from james or from grandma in lagos? in reality whose pen hits the paper; james or grandma? when you see the penmanship, whose penmanship is it; james or grandma? in reality whose message or words are you reading?

muhammad [as] is the unlettered person asking 4 scribes in front of them to write in their own individual hand writing what he saying to them, at the same time. by divine providence, he was given photographic memory and when the individual scribe read back to him what he wrote, each scribe matches the others and matches what muhammad [as] dictated. if a final book was to be made out of what the scribes have written, any of their copies is sufficient as a source. each set is like a micro finch, a recorded film/data/speech. now we have 4 of them, exactly alike, as original and source to make a book.

can the book that is produced not be an original book as those sources of 4 from the scribes? did i mentioned that the community and muhammad never fail in any single day for 23 years period of revelation not to recite many parts if not all the Quran in their prayers, personal recitation, learning how to recite, or the meaning as it applies to their daily lives, or other reasons including mere meetings and gathering? the first book bind was commissioned and completed in the time of Abu Bakr, which was the immediate years after the passing of the messenger. it was easy to complete the book because they have 4 original masterpieces to simply copy from. but the community was also an added surety that what was the first book bind 'Quran' was already in the circulation, because it was already memorized in the lifetime of the messenger, and the rank of those who memorize it swell as the muslim community increases.

you will be defeated by lagosshia if you dare to take him up on what is outright defeat for you if you have any conscience. dont play the blind faith game. faith is not always blind especially proofs and evidences are readily available. The Justice of God is not blind. His Mercy is not blind, either. if it does matter to you what lie is when you see truth it will not matter to you because you will carelessly ignore it. May God help you from the attitude of 'it does not matter' Amin.

@yommyuk; « #7 on: Today at 01:35:19 AM »
[Quote]@post

You seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick in regards to Jesus Christ death on the cross. Don't you know that a seed must die in the soil, recieve sunlight, breakout of the same soil and before it can grow?[/Quote]no seed dies before becoming seedling. if it is the dormant seed that you wishes to use for the 'death' of your jesus, the reality therefore is that to an untrained and ignorant eyes and mind the seed is dead because does belong to the living tree after it has been plucked from it. but the seed is in the wait to receive the strength in the planting environment so that it can bust into living again by shooting forth its vigor as a seedling with tender leaves, stem and roots.

the dormant seed is in a state of faintedness or coma if you will [the same as your torture person was, in reality living without the external signs that a novice will see] when you think it is lifeless, but the planter knows it isn't dead, the reason he planted it, and provides it the care and attention that bring it to a 'seedling'.

when God planned to make jesus like a dormant seed in the eyes of his enemies, there was no fool proof test method to know whether he was the one on the cross, because it could have been simon of siren or even jesus bar abba s. further there was no one of the 12 disciples around who you guys later accepted their 'eye witness account' without no one of them being an eye witness, leaving you with guess work alone. finally, God is the Only One Who knows the state of Jesus even more than Jesus and anyone and everyone individually or combined. God told His Messenger Muhammad [as] the truth so that the 'correct' understanding of event can be know, 'correction' is one of the values of the 'another comforter', if you understand. The another comforter maintained that this is what happened to Jesus son of Mary the messiah [as], as the messenger a true prophet of God, being a sincere spiritual entity from God, said he heard it from God, and simply repeat it, not adding to or subtracting from what he heard.

yommyuk, i thank God for allowing you to bring this seed to seedling example forward.

« on: Today at 12:56:32 AM »

Matthew 20:28
“For even the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many”

Alhamdulillah. you didn't for all. Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, etc an Muhammad [as] and me don't need anyone dying for us, because we will approach our merciful God Who needs no life lost directly, seeking the needed Forgiveness. We shall be given, InshaAllah. so if there was a life given as a ransom, it was in vain and worthless to us.



Jesus gave us his life voluntarily to pay off the debt of sin we all owe, thereby buying us out of spiritual slavery. He gave his life to purchase our freedom. From the cross Jesus proclaimed “It is finished” hence meaning he had triumphed on our behalf that he has finished the work he set out to do. On the cross, Jesus was not a victim, but a servant doing God’s bidding.

when something is dragged by force, it is not voluntary as you said. either you do not know what constitute voluntary action or you are just being hypocritical. if debt was paid, do you owe anymore especially when the JC gold card is for ever? then why is the concept of individual sin not covered by the JC gold card, the reason he said he will tell those who approach him on that day telling him that they used to cast out evil spirit in his name; depart from me, for i never knew ye. i wonder if it was finished at the supper or is it on the cross, where he said 'i commit my spirit to Your Hands' and gave up the ghost? which one is his very last statement, yommyuk?

he didn't say he triumphed over anything by his it is finished statement. how did you read that into it? the work given to he completed by his it is finished remark at the dinner table, long before the crucifixion. check your bible and see that the it is finished on the cross relates not to what he was sent to do. it is ironic you called him a servant of God, doing what he was sent to do. if he said he completed his work already at the time of the last supper, adding the crucifixion to it, is now a problem that you have to deal with. a lie that someone is trying to make into the truth. and crying my God my God why do you let this happen to me is nothing short of blame worthy, definitely not a quality of a hero



Christ death on the cross marks the central event of the Passover season for all mankind. When the Israelites were being rescued from Egypt, the blood of the lamb was sprinkled on the doorposts of each Jewish home in Egypt and saved those inside from death. Jews who came to Jerusalem to celebrate needed to supply a perfect young lamb for sacrifice. The animal could not be diseased or have broken bones. Jesus used his final Passover meal to show that his sacrificial death would give new meaning to the festival (Mark 14:17-31). Therefore, the cross became an altar where Christ, the Passover lamb was slain. Jesus legs were not broken (John 19:33), hence fulfilling the Passover rule (Exodus 12:46)

the jews will disagree with you about what is the central event of their so called passover. it is brain dead that people will believe that Angel of God will only the home children of israel and skip it by blood wipe all over the door, thinking that the egyptians who were looking at them doing this will not eve copy them. dumb angels you guys think were sent.

equally dumb egyptian who failed to copy the slaves who didn't have any animal, but managed to kill an animal for every house to protect themselves when the more wealthy egyptians get the big 'passover' punishment. this is a faulthy story of how the beginning of the end came to pharaoh. islam has the accurate account and there is no dumb angel sent who only know which house to kill their children by lack os smelly blood. i wonder what is the difference between one alter and the other types of alter? yommyuk is in a quick sand.



Blood ran freely from Jesus wound (John 19:34), showing that his life was being exchanged for us. Just as a lamb died to save the lives of Jewish families at the Passover in Egypt, so too this one death of the Son of God on the cross serves to bring salvation to the world.

just for assumption sake,if a child of israel commits a sin in egypt today that deserve death or enslavement in jail, will the passover ritual prevents his punishment? if you are guilty of sin in the Sight of God, will the crucifixion prevent your being punished in lake of fire? your answer should tell you the truth of Who is in the Control; God Almighty, or jesus you are trying to put in a place he does not belong, using all kind of faulty schemes to satisfy your temporary satisfaction.



CONCLUSION

The blood of a lamb can only do a temporal job (Muslims take note), However the Blood of the Lamb of God does a permanent and eternal Job. It is wrong to be a critic and enemy of the cross. I implore that you let the blood of Jesus shed on the cross become operative in your life.

It is the blood of Jesus that can make us white as snow, making us have peace with God.

God bless Wink

Abraham was tested, and his attempt to slaughter his son who submitted to the slaughter is regarded as obedience to God. it was concluded in happiness by ransom of ram of God, brought from heaven by Angel Gabriel. we must realize that by obedience in that moment in time, abraham's sins of the past, if there was any was forgiven, wiped out since there is now at the slaughter a 'new beginning' and a new life for father and son. while you will agree that jesus hid himself throughout from the jews, unless you and he believe people can die many times, we have to ask why he was walking in the shadows, never in the open, or he was not killed in the first place knowing that if they see his face in the open, they will kill him this time and make sure he stayed dead?

it is the muslim who honors Jesus son of Mary [as], speaking about him in the right and correct manners. when we slaughter any animal, we do it for food, thanking God and most importantly in obedience to Him as He instructed. God does not need blood, flesh, but He looks at your piety in God consciousness and obedience.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Long holiday for you alright.

Lagosshia forgot that you have to be nailed to the cross, just about now.
and then resurrect sunday morning, having spend 3 days and 3 night in death.

when you resurrect, jesus, i will ask you to calculate 3 days and 3 night for me, starting from nailing on the cross [friday late afternoon] to resurrection [sunday before dawn].

you have your long holiday to think about your answer.

as lagosshia provided proofs from your bible, you cant provide clear evidence from the same book.

if there is a verse of the bible that opposes your argument, it has created reasonable doubt and it is enough to throw away your argument.

a muslim does believe in the Quran, so lagosshia believes that jesus was not killed or crucified.

@namfav; how will your type help propagate islam with this type of speech coming from your mind? and you are so young, not older than the youth corpers who lost their lives. if you do feel anything for the lives that were lost before they met good muslims, at least feel for their mother since are all from the same father; Adam [as].

islam is not a thing of heritage, you know. otherwise we would not have a single non-muslim arab.

it is better to convert out of islam out right than to be a hypocrite being the devil that is preventing people from looking at islam. dont plunge nigeria into another war calling yourselves muslims, while it is ignorance that has taken hold of your hearts that has no islam in it.

as a nigerian muslim outside nigeria and old enough to be a father of a youth corper, i weep bitterly for nigeria and the lost souls and feel sad for those who say they are muslims and there is no mercy in their hearts. these ignorant wrecks need to learn about islam that muhammad [as] practiced.

islam of muhammd [as] never start a war. and when it engaged in war, the best manner was displayed; the muslims were ordered by Allah to accept peace when it is offered by the enemy, and if an enemy seek protection to give it. treat him with kindness and escort him to safety.

where are these killers of islamic learning their islam?

they waste lives as if they can create one. if they can't practice islam of muhammad [as] why are they muslims? do they think the name alone will be enough without the good deeds and manners expeected.

from God we came. to God we shall return.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ jesus is here. he is defending or are you denying the verses above?

@Jesoul; « #15 on: Today at 07:25:14 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 06:38:47 PM
too bad, you do not have a goal post!
read it in both ways.
Haha! nice one Cheesy . . . but you should try again. You still don't get it. Sweetnecta, you should also take note.
I repeat, if both of you would just relax and just breath in and out for a minute, you might actually notice that the fight you're both fighting is against an imaginary opponent Grin[/Quote]while neither one of us is fighting anybody, the imaginary is interesting. the book is imaginary because the authors are nameless, imaginary.

marriage is imaginary even if the wife is pregnant, she is still a virgin.

boston is imaginary even with all the history and the 'the spirit of massachussets is the spirit of america' song.

this is after i took your advice, above. the story is true. it doesn't matter who wrote the bible, so it doesn't matter if paradise is forbidden to those who say it doesn't matter. just dont tag God Almighty with what doesn't matter.

@jesoul; « #4 on: Today at 02:17:21 PM »
[Quote]LagosShia & Sweetnecta,

my brothers, can either of you prove Mohammed wrote the Quran? and that it is indeed of divine inspiration from allah?[/Quote]it is spelled Allah. there is a capital A instead of the lower case that you use. you of all people should know that.

Mohammad did not write the Quran or any hadith. He received it by hearing it from Jibril. you know the Angel, not Mikail? He also received the last 4 verses of the 2nd chapter directly from Allah when he went on the night journey to eavens where he received the numbers of daily prayers. Allah, you know is the God Who is The Creator and not part of the creature, unlike The Trinity, you dig?

and you dont have to be a literate to receive knowledge by hearing it. writing down is another matter. it is reported that there were 4 consistent scribes, with each of them miraculously from the beginning to the end of revelation.

each of the 4 copies were left with the messenger [as]. these copies and others and the community's individual memory served as the source of the first book form of the 'revelation'.


who wrote the Quran? the 4 scribes have first and last names. it is from these pool of scribe that in time of Abu Bakr that the scribe of the 'first book form' of Quran was picked. he was the same man that wrote the many styles written based on accents, each style of recitation was established with each piece of revelation. so for example, when chapter 112 was revealed, it was in these many styles of recitation.


there is no 'according to' in islam. gaddit?


@Tonye-t; the fraud[ian]/gimmick is right in your alley. the lie fits you like a glove [its the line of argument] instead of fessing up to the truth. its a play on words; expressing the truth in me. no one asked if God or Jesus wrote the Bible. we already know the answer since God did not reveal the Bible to Jesus. we asked if it does not matter the true ids of the writers, why say it is revelation from God.

i know you didn't get it. almost all the time good argument is lost on those who do not wear thinking cap that matches the discussion attire. if the idea of the thread is about the technical writing skill, the poets will be alright. but when the content of the piece is what billions of people have hung their position in the hereafter on, somebody need to wake up the sleeping soul to the reality of the material that can't save.

the nigerian christians will defend her christinity before the nation, tweety121 needs to know this.

american christians defend christianity before defending america, the reason they support israel on the issue of the masjid aqsa complex and the jerusalem problems.

i am sure that you have seen the video of the nigerian civil war with the captives been told to say in the name of jesus?

there are videos of american gis loading the bombs to drop on iraq with writings like this is from jesus, say hi to your god, etc.

to single out one thing that you are not part of as the reason for evil, when so many that connected to the same thing are far from being evil is not being sincere to get to the root of the problem.


i do hope the nigerian youth can be educated. if these hoodlums are mandated to receive thorough education, i doubt if they will have time to cause mayhem.

@Tweety121^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^could Islam be the culprit of the northern violence as you claim? hardly, my dear.

islam betters the manners of the individuals. if you can't say its the ethnicity, why say it is the religion, especially you know nothing about this noble religion than the sound bits from her enemy, similar to what the enemy could say about the ethnicity?

i will not say that it is in the ethnic make up of the northern people. i will not accept that it is islam if you cant accept that it is the ethnic make up, because as you are a christian, i am a muslim. it is christian you will claim that makes you a better person, while islam has done the same in my life.

i will not buy the excuse of poverty, but instead say that act ignorance is a horrible disease. it is ignorance of the wilding mass and the hypocrisy of those who know but refuse to use their knowledge for progress are the reasons we have this sad situation.


the imam who whip up people into evil emotional state is not following islam. islam is not supporter of destruction. hypocrites and ignorant are where you find evil.

@namfav; are you reading the Quran revealed to prophet Muhammad [as], following his sunnah, since you claim 'islam' is your tradition? your tone is very confusing, since my tradition is 'islam', and i have had this religion in my yoruba blood longer than many 'fulanis' and even arabs.

some fulanis are christians and i have seen grown palestinian who converted from christianity, reverting to 'islam'.

in islam, we support an oppressor in the two situations;

when he is being oppressed. we are on his side against his oppressor.

when he is the oppressor, we fight him to rid him of the spirit of oppression.

you tend to lack the goodness of islam in this respect, dealing in yourself with the fulani ethnicity only.

i tell you one thing; Allah will not look at your tribe or ethnicity in the Day of Judgment, the christian and jewish arabs will not be in the company of the muslims.

from among the muslims. you have the hypocrites. the hypocrites are the worst of people.

if you bury your head in the sand, as i think you are doing now, you will not be a good dawah person even to yourself. dont from those people will see and say i will not want to become muslim. this advice is also for myself.

you are so young, and thats a good thing.

islam is bigger than makka and madina, two places on earth non muslims are not allowed. islam is bigger than the whole of the world, so the north of nigeria is pale in this instance.

my hope is that the sw amd se people will realize that the northerners among them are nigerians who are suffering as the whole country is suffering. that these people from the north, living with them and remaining in the south are not the hoodlums who are killing, rioting in the north with ethnic and or religious bigotry.

you know when i read the word almajiri, i feel sad that those who are so called have no knowledge and probably lack islam in them.

Muhammad [as], Abu Bakr, Umar Kattab, Uthman Affan, Ali Abi Talib [ra] and all those noble souls who migrated for the sake of Allah spreading the deen in good manners were Al Muhajirun [the immigrants] and the lived in peace with their brothers and sisters the Ansar [the helpers].

they didn't terrorize them. they were not terrorized by the ansar, either. they both as a unit fought the disbelievers who came to fight them.

it is illegal for muslim to start a fight, a riot or a disturbance. how did my muslim brothers from the north are standing this low?

your master; the devil should have told you about the above, since he told you where he doesn't live or what he doesn't do in waylaying man.

after all, he told you that a man is one of your three Gods.

he also told you that your father God did not know the future, as He showed regrets in the actions of what He created; man competing with Him.


i wonder how you can live in your skin now that you asking if God should not have known that Adam and Eve will err, fall as you call it?



the devil who tormented your human God in the wilderness should inform you about the things you are asking.

that same devil tested him 3 times more and even became one of his disciples, conning him so much so that he had to yell on peter 'get behind me, satan' should be your leader here informing you as you have made God into puppeteer!

No; i do not want to remain on earth

and

To the Divine Companion; i want to go to God

are not statements you expect to hear from the one who does not love his Creator and his Creator does not love him greatly.

such a person who was washed by the like of Ali bin Abi Talib [ra] and assisted by Angels, could not have anyone who ever walked this earth having a higher ranking of nobility than him in the Sight of The Most Merciful.


@olaadegbu; the prophet [as] did not complain or lament. you need to see wisdom in that.

@Olaadegbu; [Quote]It appears that you could not see what SeanT21 posted, see how the link Pastor AIO suggested and read what Jesus said before He died and rose again because it doesn't appear that you are true Muslim going by the way you ridicule your supposed "prophet".[/Quote]whatever i write is not in criticism of Injil or Seyiddina Isa bin Maryam [as]. this you already know, if you didn't here is it for you.

pastoraio in my opinion lacks manners the reason i dont care about his wayward style of responses.

what your topic is as far as i see it is the last sentence of famous people. if in the case of biblcal jesus you wanted to flip the script and tell a story instead of the last sentence, we can see why you will not say anointed when it comes to jesus but will not say massiah about others when anointed and massiah is the same exact thing.

read the below excerpt, while i will not say Jesus did not get hang except that the evidence of it is in the Bible, agreeing with what the Quran says, unless you wanna forget Simon of Cyrene and Jesus son of the father [bar abbas], and the dead does not have flesh and bone;

[b]One day Ka'b Akbar asked the Second Caliph "What did the Prophet say just before his death?" The Caliph pointed to the Commander of the Faithful, who was also present in the meeting, and said: "Ask him". Ali said: "While the head of the Prophet was resting on my shoulder, he said: "Prayers. Prayers." Ka'b Akbar then said: "This has been the way of the previous Prophets also''. Tabaqat, vol. II, page 254.

During the last moments of his life the Prophet opened his eyes and said: "Call my brother so that he may come and sit by my side. All those present understood that he meant no one other than Ali. Ali sat by the side of his bed but felt that he wanted to rise from his bed. He therefore lifted the Prophet from his bed and made him rest on his own chest. Tabaqat, vol. II, page 263.

Soon afterwards signs of death began to appear in his sacred body. Someone asked Ibn Abbas: "In whose lap did the Prophet breathed his last?" Ibn Abbas replied: "The Prophet departed while his head was in the lap of Ali." That person added: "Aisha claims that when the Prophet breathed his last his head was resting on her bosom. Ibn Abbas contradicted her claim and said: "The Prophet breathed his last in the lap of Ali and Ali and my brother Fadl bathed his body." Tabaqat, vol. II, page 263.

In one of his sermons Imam Ali has mentioned this matter in these words: "The Prophet breathed his last when his head was on my chest. I bathed his body while the angels were assisting me". Nahjul Balaghah.

A number of the traditionalists have quoted that the last sentence which the Prophet uttered before breathing his last was: "No. With the Divine Companion”. It appears that at the time of his last breath the Archangel Jibreel gave him the option either to recover from the illness and return to this world or the Angel of Death might take out his soul and he might proceed to the next world, and lead his life there along with the persons, who have been alluded to in this verse: These are with those upon whom Allah has bestowed favour from among the Prophets and the truthful and the martyrs and they are the best friends that one can have. (Surah al-Nisa, 4:69)
The Prophet uttered the above sentence and passed away. A'lamul Wara' page 83.[/b]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ double take, double post, double sour grapes.

islam will be here long after you, even if you hate it.

@lagosshia; my brother, salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah.

your first line is a blow away. i laughed whem i read it. i didn't have to read the rest to know that that was a big hatchet you used to cut to the chase. may Allah reward you. Amin.

those people who said it doesn't matter who the writer[s] was/were have no right to say it is God as they claim which you cleverly pointed out to them. the other thing they should be aware therefore is that we know that they are either ignorant or playing the hypocrite. since it does not matter who wrote it, i am sure they will not bother to know if they are just kidding themselves, until it is too late which is the time of death that the reality of living a lie hits with reality plain in your face.

@poser; it does matter who wrote the bible, if it is true masterpiece, for guidance and for spirituality to please God.

if it does not matter, then why say your way is the true and only way?

does it not matter the type of examination you take to correspond with study material?

does it not matter who grades your test papers?

does it not matter that your teacher knows the course material?


should it not matter if a bricklayer writes the textbook for medicine?
should it not matter if the professor of medicine is the plumber that serviced your water system?
should it not matter if the one to operate the heart patient is the school bus driver?

frosbel^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ignorance of the highest order. we in islam are not northerners. north is not islam. and i as a yoruba muslim with generational heritage, never mind what low thinking propagandist from any part of the world say have no single blood on my hands.

if youre saying islam is bloody, then you forget what christians who were as ignorant as the ignorant muslims you tag islam with have done. is islam evil, or you are the evil who calls good evil? since jesus is not a christian, i will not even go there with you. borrowing a label will not make counterfeit an original.

the ignorant muslims will let you believe that they are scholars of islam, especially when they want to justify their evil deeds. but they forget to copy the messenger [as] who was the best to tell you what islam teaches by his hadith. their ignorance is borne out of knowledge and emotion, without thorough use of their brain and wisdom. they based all their action privately in their heart on 'i am better than you' mentality, the same form of arrogance you have projected here.

both of you are agents of satan in your different ways; you psych people up with your rhetoric, dividing up to us against them. the war theater of nigeria was based on ethnicity and the two leaders were jack and odumegwu; they were both christians who dragged others along. in the world stage theater of the world, christianity can't hide from the blood in her hands and i will not be lying if i say there is no chance of violence that she had shunned. maybe you should ask europeans of what happened in the 1990s over there.

while killing a soul unjustifiably is like killing all mankind, Quran warns while the Bible is silent about it, there is no knowledgeable and God conscious muslim who can say what happened in nigeria is from islam. yet we see you the foot christian soldiers is playing your adolph hitler role on your way to impliment the third reich in nigeria. just as christianity will out live me, so it is certain that islam shall out live you, even if you hate it to happen. wait for your rapture, man.

i doubt if these violent muslims understand islam that we know from the messenger [AS]. this is why hypocrites will be in the worst part of hell fire.

it amazes me how young people reason. i think the burden of youth is a hard thing to bear.

to all of the christians who taut christianity as a religion of mercy and peace and tolerance, you have failed miserably.

your failure shows the true nature of christianity or either you are hypocrite and or ignorant of what christianity is.

i have never seen a people who quickly choose the an eye for an eye old testament law and the prophets, while at the same time say the same old testament is irrelevant because it has been reduced to ' love your god and your neighbor". yet you cant love your neighbor, for real.

if the northerners in the north killed your people, what crime has the northerners in your mist in the south committed that you have to scare them so much that they think that they must get away from you? their remaining with you when their people in the north were killing you show that they were not with them but with you.

if you are really gutsy, strong and are not just empty warriors of the internet, your leadership should have openly say to the northerners in the south that they are safe from your anger since they are not your enemy. but announced to the northerners in the north that you are coming in force of large mass, with weapon to protect your people who will live among them.

all of you are as ignorant as the marauding ignorant northerners terrifying the people in the north. the president elect need to grow spine. he needs to be a leader. there are nigerians oversees who love to see united nigeria. the hope must also come from the leadership of nigeria.

when only clueless people go into politics we find from among them people who are slow at taking leadership seem to be the best among them.


there are nigerians who know law enforcement that could have been consultants to the governance and steps could have been in place to prevent a single loss of life and just maybe the civil defense apparatus could have been improved, even so much that 'the so aclled' rigged election could have been fairer. and we will not have these type of outcome where nigeria is a the joke of the season, and nigerians are pitted against one another.

by the way, i am not a northerner and am not in the security business. but my islam preaches and recognizes justice. dealing with the northern issue should not come at the cost of the northerners in the south. And i aamnot a coward yoruba, for those who say yorubas are coward. it may take a lot to push us, but our limit is deadly when we fight back, we attack the evil doers only, not his brother, if he is not part of the evil.

let us practice what is fair. you can not arrest me for the sin of my brother.

@poser; you know what the christian pastors and their supporters say about Islam is not true? i hope you are mature enough to know that even if the christians don't.

Allah is not a god, or a doll or whatever. He is not made, never have been represented by anything by any body. Allah is no father or son or husband of anything, anyone, but He is the Sole Creator while everything is His created being. Allah is Invisible and not subject to anything anyone anywhere is subjected to. He holds sway every Superiority and Capability over everything. He hears all our speeches all at once, if we gathered together to make it in one single shot. He knows what is hidden and what you reveal.

He sees you and you are always within His control. You can not escape Him and His Mercy covers you, while His punishment can reach anyone as He wills it.No one can frustrate Him. His appointed time for you is determined by Him alone. You can't hasten it if you wish to test Him as the ignorants often do. You can't delay it when it arrives, even if you wish thet it does not happen.

You are living as His created human on His created earth, eating and growing strong by what He provides to sustain you. His heavens cover you as to envelope you in layers, one on top of the other until seventh heaven.

Allah's Throne Supreme is above the seventh heaven. This seventh heaven is so small to the Throne in the same way a human finger ringer is small when viewed from the space on the vast desert. The earth is the same size to the first heaven. every heaven is the same to the heaven immediately above it. So the sixth heaven is exactly like this to the seventh heaven.

Allah did not create the Supreme Throne so that He can sit or rest on it. Allah says He is Above it, to mean High above it.

This is just introduction to Who Allah is. There is nothing compared to Him and no eyes have seen Him. But many ears have heard His Voice. His Speech is Unending, yet each Message is clear. Muhammad [as] heard His voice and said there is layers of light without knowing the depth of the layer separating him from His Position. The Best give for the muslims in paradise is the chance to gaze at the Face of the Almighty. The greatest regret of the hypocritical muslims before they are herded to hell to reside with the disbelievers in it is that they will see the Beautiful Face of Allah in the shortest time possible so that it can be etched in their collective individual memory the Greatest loss for being hypocrites. i hope you guys get the gist of what i am writing?

however, what muslims say about christianity is not a lie; can anyone explain how trinity is one, if you will not accept triangle as a straight line? both having 'tri' to say three. how do we say man is God, and say God is not man? how do we say God was killed and say God does not die? you will see that those christians infuse man and God into each other, and we ask who is the Creator of the creature, if the Creator in their own mind is also the creature, while they say creature and Creator are not in the same level at anytime? how did the creature whip, torture and kill by hanging the Creator Who is Superior and able to do all things, just because He wished to stop animal blood letting, but it His own blood as His own son that should be wasted, while He simply could have device a simpler method to accomplish the same object of not killing animal or Himself as His own son?

we in islam say that sincere utterance of repentance from the heart, is enough. You will know that Allah accepts your repentance when you dislike committing the since that used to be your second nature, before you offered repentance. finally, if muslims can provide a simpler than bloodletting process to forgive [human say am sorry to each other and that will be it, if the other says apology accepted and all is forgiven], then muslims have shown that their God is more Merciful than any God or god, while at the same time showing even muslims have superior spiritual knowledge, and mankind in general by the their easy forgiveness of one another with mere utterance, if only that for the moment, while the residual anger and resentment remain in the heart, unable to equal what we expect of God, have demonstrated that they are not as demanding as the christian God who seek blood revenge, yet christians will end up in the lake of fire, since jesus said 'i do not know thee' to those who will say they used to 'in your name caste out devils and perform great miracles'. whosoever Allah accepts his repentance is as if he never committed the sin he tendered repentance on.

I am a muslim. i do agree that the practitioners of traditional religions are more tolerant in africa relative to practitioners of islam and christianity in nigeria. the reason i think is the case is that where people are minorities for all intense and purposes, the influence is also minimal.

for example, some igbos say they are jews. the jews among them are very tolerant in religiosity, while it is not the same for the jews in america, though a minority, but it is a different grade of minority to what we have even in SE of nigeria. the jews in america are loud, aggressive, vindictive, vigilantes and start a riot at the drop a hat because they know they can shame the christian rights, centrists and even liberal and carry them along to support the agenda. the jews in israel am sure you know that they are not tolerant at all. well you may say therefore it is the the so called Abrahamaic religions that are the problems. no. hold your horses.

the hindu are the majority in india. we know about them already. they are violennnnnnnnnnnt. when ussr had communism and china had socialism as their official religion or lack of religion, those people who had practiced other religions were repressed, marginalized, etc. today, we see north korea as intolerant people to their brothers and sisters in south korea and the west, indeed america. china hates the tibetians with a passion, and cant stand taiwan for a moment. in 2nd ww japan made a ton of chinese women sex slaves.

what you find common in all of the above, are few things; human beings by and large as a group when riled up and cloaked in garb of mob mentality are evil. almost everyone wants to get over somebody.

in defense of islam now, it will be wrong for a man who they brought for his approval before slaughter a healthy calf, but says dont kill it, go get me the run over [last week road kill] dead goat that has been in the gutter, decaying with visible maggot come from it. this is similar to a group of religion or no religion concepts i do not call my religion.

another scenario; a man prefers an animal slaughtered because of ill treatment and obvious sickness over the healthy calf. this is similar to an abrahamic i do not call my religion.


yet the third man prefers the meat left on the kitchen counter for many days that the color is not bright red anymore and it has now began to have a strange smell, though slighty. this is another abramaic religion i do not call my religion.

my religion of islam cared for the animal throughout. never abused it. take it to the field to feed. let it run around, with a long leash, let it loose in a closed range grazing. just before it was slaughtered, gave it cool water to drink. swiftly slaughter it [so it does not fill the pain more than you feel a very short pinch] with a very sharp knife after supplicating The Creator on it. such a freshly slaughtered healthy animal, after the blood is completely drained in about 15 minutes, the meat ill be the best to munch on and head and shoulders above any and all of the above.


but you wanna eat any of the above instead of what i am eating, go right ahead. when you suffer the stomach pains, i may choose to ignore you because i already warned you ahead of time.

@gombs;« #49 on: Yesterday at 02:43:22 PM »
[Quote][Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 01:43:17 PM
@gombs and mrbible; « #44 on: Today at 01:05:14 PM »how many judges are going to be there on the day?

1. God Almighty Alone?

2. God, jesus and ghost?

3. God, jesus, ghost, and 11 disciples since judas betrayed?

4. God, jesus, ghost and the original 12 disciples?

5. God, jesus, ghost, 12 disciples minus judas, but paul replaces him?

how many sitting, how many standing?

if all are sitting who is in the middle?

what is the sitting arrangement? who is closest to the father on the right side and who is the farthest, and who are in between? anyone on the left side at all; how that arrangement, too?[/Quote]i ask the above. you responded with the below. you are criticizing mrbible? whats the difference between you and him if there is no different between two people who made inadequate preparation for their journey, then got stranded because of this poor decision, in an unfriendly town with time and hope running out [one waiting for a public transportation that is many hours late and may not come until the following day. the other with a broken down raggedy car and no desperado mechanic in sight to work on it. neither has any money on them. neither has any relative near by, even a hundred mile away. both have caught the attention of the bad guys waiting for the cover of darkness to do them harm!]?

did you pay attention that i am a muslim? how in the world do you believe that paul will judge the angels as you wrote in the bold, below? judge them on what merit; their disobedience of the laws and the prophets, followership of jesus, inheritors of the original sin, etc and he paul because he did not abrogate the laws and prophets and didn't ask others to do so, and he is not one of the least in the kingdom? i will like to read your answer. but i am already supporting you that i know the reason you say what you said since you believe that jesus son of mary is God 100% and man 100%, holy spirit is God 100%, Father is God 100%, yet there is One 100% God, while jesus said about himself that he is qualified to be call good because Only God Who is not on earth is qualified to be called Good, jesus saying of himself that he was a prophet sent by God to the children of israel and no other people, jesus was a man like other prophets before him, jesus acknowledge there is a God Who Lords over him and all his people at the same time, jesus prayed, begged, cried, supplicated this Invisible Lord God to help him throughout.

jesus was lifted to heaven alive by this Lord God. yet there are many more things i could write to let you know that Lord God that jesus was talking about jesus made it known that this Almighty is different from jesus. if jesus judges living [will they not die first?] and the dead [will they remain dead?], what will Lord God do since paul is even judging the angels, and the 12 apostles [is judas iscarot part of the 12 or paul is part of this to make the 12?] judge the 12 nations of israel? who judges paul, the 12 disciples, jesus or they will not be judged? who judges Adam, Eve, Abel, Cain, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, . . . Moses, Aaron, . . . . Zacharias and his wife and their son John? who judges Mary the mother of God according to the catholic?

[Quote]dont mind Mrbible. . .paul said we'd judge angels,Jesus will judge the living and the dead.i dont know where he got the idea that Jesus has given him authority to judge people.he's fund of misinterpreting the bible especially when he wants to prove a dim witted point. But be it as it may,Mrbible go on,judge the pastors and whoever you deem right to be judged. Misquote the bible as you wish, speak ill about whatever thing you dont understand.it's your future you're truncating not mine.thanks[/Quote]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ such untruth from olaadegbu and others about the messenger [as].

if we give time line of his passing, we will see that the Angels of his Lord came to honor him and asked if he wished to remain on earth, by Allah's permission. but what must a messenger do when his mission is already completed, if he opted for such worldly dwelling?

would he not be going against his own mission which states 'all souls shall taste death' and messengers have died in the past?

moses [as] was allowed to take as many years as his wide palm could cover of hairs on the back of his mount. and when it was told to him after that he will die, he said death now. yet moses is stationed in the 6th heaven, while ibrahim [as] is on seventh and muhammad is the noblest of all.


if jesus in the second heaven, awaiting his final death on earth says the below [i wonder if it is story they are repeating to us, or the last 'word"?], should what muhammad [as] be less, based on how Allah has elevated him from the Quran? can anyone make a statement about muhammad, except it must agree with the Quran, hadith, sirah [the hadith and sirah as related by his companions [as]]? how do the occidentals get what muhammad [as] said? were they there, or they got it from his wife on whose laps his head rested as he passed? 'Allah forgive my sin, i am coming to you' is not a bad statement because it shows humility and eagerness of wishing to meet. do sinners want to meet the one who will be harsh with him? when you wish to me the one you love, it is a manifestation of that love.

honest dialogue would have contacted the islamic sources and them know that it will never be less noble than the below.

Jesus Christ:
Jesus, after a long morning of torture and a 3 hour lasting excruciating crucifixion, He first forgave his Roman enemies from the cross, saying: "Father forgive them, for they don’t know what they do!" Then he granted eternal life to a repentant thief that was crucified beside him, saying, "Today you shall be with me in Paradise" After the Father's Spirit left Him as He died for the sins of the world, he said, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me!" Then He said "It is finished!" and after He had cried out with a loud voice, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit"—He gave up the ghost!

^^^^^^^^^^^ i wonder when the 'then' will finally give us the final word? from what i read here, my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me is a sign of disbelief, when before that he granted eternal life and after that finally Father into your hands i commend my spirit. this all thing seems as if going and coming out of belief. a true prophet of God will not be such a disbeliever in action and speech. imagine the 'only' way to God showing such a disbelief? i think the whole thing need a retake.

@Olaadegbu; the God of christianity is truly an unforgiven God, or it is the christians who are lacking in what 'forgiveness' is.

saddam hussaine [ra], if your thought is that he is destined for fire, then truly you did not realize how what he said is more superior to 'my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?' or you did not consider how direct and decisive that statement from saddam was compared to what the others in your list said, coupled with what the al sadda hang men were saying during the hanging?

no one except whom The Almighty had forgiven will be calm as saddam was, on the day of id facing death will have the consciousness of Allah and remembrance of the Messenger [as], letting death capture his soul with the Kalimah of shahadah 'laa illa ha ilAllah' on his tongue. this is a big victory on him, while others die that there is closed casket on their funeral because the bodies are horror to see!

even a shia who hated saddam with person will want to die with the same exact words that Allah made easy for saddam to say effortlessly while the thugs of bagdad were yelling al sadr as if al sadr will not want to say the same thing saddam said.

[b]There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is God's messenger.
Executed by hanging, at Camp Justice in the Baghdad suburb of Khadimiya
~~ Saddam Hussein d. December 30, 2006[/b] anyone who believes that hanging is a sign of hell fire should consider the biblical jesus as the christian relates his end to us. anyone who believes camp justice is true justice does fail in acknowledging that God Almighty holds 'Justice'. a person must die in the time and manner God chooses for him. it is pure ignorance that one can say that God cant forgive a man who before death camp seek repentance. in islam, it is the last deed that counts.