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Tiarabubu, how far now?

Logic and sound reason of the mind. heart being primary body part to help us will let you know that jews as a whole, even when you call them children of Israel or even children of Isaac or Abraham has no exclusive right to what God gave Abraham.

The reason is that:

1]. They are not the only seed of Abraham. The Ismail children are the older seed

2]. Abraham was a true believer of 1 Universal God. Jews believe that their God is a tribal God.

3]. The coreligionist of Abraham has more right because the gift to Abraham was based on religious righteousness. The muslims are on the religious of Ibrahim [as].


4]. Abraham did not love Ishmael less, instead more attached to him than to Isaac the baby boy.

5]. Abraham loved and kept contact with Ishmael all his life. Isaac loved his older brother and kept his history alive in his own family. This is how Jacob and his children were able to know the full history of the family of Ishmael and his 12 sons.

6]. The life of Ishmael was not as the angel said about him; the wild"ass" prediction did not happen. We know that the angel was a fake when this was not the case on Ishmael who Yahweh Personally named from the children of Abraham and blessing Ishmael will not be giving him desert full of oil and no correct spirituality. Heck. Venezuela, Mexico, USA, Nigeria, Libya, Ghana, Russia, and others just as blessed with oil. No one wants desert for home. So what is the blessing about? Isaac that Yahweh did not bless gets all the blessing is what you are saying? When did Ishmael sell his birthright like Later brothers Esau and Jacob with deceitful mother and blind father?

^^^^ I read your wikiislam article. houri is not a reward for committing suicide, because suicide is illegal in islam.
and please write religion out completely, instead of r******n. we are no jews who is afraid to write out God, Yahweh, etc instead write G-d, YHWH.

To me that type of abbreviation of words shows extremism and Islam rejects extremism, though many muslims ignorantly become extremists.

If you wanna talk about women of paradise promised to men of paradise, why are you telling us about the christian's marginalization in the gulf and the lack of oppression of muslims in the christian countries?


first, what you call christian countries are secular societies with majority checking christianity ad their religion on forms. America is not a christian country. And the churches are deserted by the white britons.

Ok. The vatican city: no muslim is truly welcomed.


But Jesus promised the christians 100 wives for each wife each christian leaves for him. This your bleeding liberal heart is fake and you as a christian will have to pass rejection of Jesus first in his "I do not know ye. . . ." before you will get to the first base on possible 100 wives thing, maybe you will hit a grand slam long home run out of the ballpark.

honor killing is cultural, evil and sad event. Nothing Islamic about it.

@MacDaddy01;

by MacDaddy01: 3:20am

LMAO.....are you educated at all? Simple biology will tell you that the brain is for thinking and not the heart. "Heart" is used figuratively.


Please, use google to your advantage. You were searching for nonsense to support your claims.


You can start with wikipedia and learn the basics about the human brain or mind

Google is an american product. Though you cant touch it. Its not physical. You live in England, across the pond from America.

Biology is related to medicine. Medicine deals more intensively with Brain, Heart. Yet medicine is not an exact science the reason not all the time the same medicine applies to the same disease in different people.

Mind is not something capture, not physical.

You are no expert on any branch of biological or physical science. From your idea of running from pillar to post on this site, you probably study something from social science or humanity.

How come therefore your idea about Mind is the absolutely correct idea?

I think you are so naive and to cure you from this wretched mindset you have since you have no heart to lead you that to ignore you sometimes may just be the right amount of dose.


Have you heard charge it to my brain, not to my heart?

www.therealessentials.com/followyourheart.html

. . . ."...our hearts may actually be the
'intelligent force' behind the intuitive
thoughts and feelings we all experience.". . .




www.metaphysics-for-life.com/brain-hemispheres.html
. . . Without intuition, inspiration, and inner guidance from the Heart, choice and creativity cannot happen.

The mind is "enlightened" when leadership is given to the Heart. But a healthy brain, including integration of left and right brain hemispheres. is required for the Heart to connect to the mind. . . .

frosbel you cant even come up with a full sentence from Jesus without others as part of the narrative.

did Jesus really say anything for himself?

where is the gospel of the child will be born to us whose name will be Immanuel [jesus never was called immanuel!].

but Jesus promised an another comforter to correct the wrong concept when it has became normal, was when he came.


but rejected him, hence rejecting Jesus.


how far, now?

@MacDaddy01;

by MacDaddy01: 10:29pm On Aug 20

Ignorance is a disease. The mind is a function of the brain. The mind does not exist in reality, it is a description of the thinking and reasoning abilities of the brain.

do you have a mind of your own? it is an expression talking about the feeling and emotion felt from the heart.

I see you worship your brain; intellect and the british guys hawkins, hutchenson and dead one without God.

you remind me of the christians who talk about spirit of man and when their bible talks about soul.

My frame was not hidden from You,when i was made in secret,and skillfully wrought in the highest parts of the earth. Marvellous are Your works,and THAT my soul knows well; I will praise You,for i am fearfully AND wonderfully made.

there is no spirit in there but soul. And they argue about spirit the same way you are blindly talking about brain instead of the heart.

@RoyalVII:

by Royal-VII: 7:55pm
They stay moving this thread into the Islam Section...smh We know why. It keeps disappearing to


You need not fear that your Muslim male baby-sitter will Molestation your
7-year-old daughter. If he is a good Muslim he will only sodomize her. If
he does force his joystick into her tiny womanliness he is obligated to pay for
any surgical repairs that may be required. If those repairs are deemed
insufficient you may work out a financial settlement to compensate you for
his trivial infraction. No big deal. Muslim boys will be Muslim boys. And,
after all, she is only a girl


^----?

"If he is good Muslim he will only Sodomize her"

"And After All She is Only a Girl"

What happened to ~Royal~? You seem like a person of few words. Even christians with their depleted morality can do what is written up there. So how does anyone tag Muslims with it just because they say a man called Khomeini said it? Abeg go sidon. Its getting late in 9ja already.

@Val dee:

by val_dee: 2:23pm
^
@chop and clean mouth, moslems don't abi? Your double standard and inability to call a spade a spade is alarming.

I never heard of chop and clean mouth until i joined Nairaland and I am a red blooded 9ja man as they come. If it was not Islam, oh sister, you dont wanna know. While some or even majority of muslims were to be involved in chopping and cleaning mouth, the case of edo state is an indicator that Islam perfects and worse cases improves the morality of people. I think you should at least appreciate that if one follows Muhammad[sa] he will be improved. I know I am because here where I reside it is Islam that guides because people chop and clean mouth real good woman with mere couple of loosies; sticks of cigarettes. Almost everyone is a freak, including the jews.

I believe that Mohammed(pbuh) is a called one, but some aspect of his human nature let him down and worse still, they are meant to be a standard for people to follow.

like desola of NL says "Omo yoruba ni mi o swagger". And with the amount of tons of women in yoruba land, some of us are restricted by Islam. And no muslim can say he has the moral quality of the third generation and to talk about the leader of the best of mankind as having character flaw is lack of understanding at best. God chose the best for last.


[quotePuttin up defenses through long copied posts, diversion to unrelated topics etc is a sign that you cant stand up for the truth.[/quote]nothing i copied except verses of Quran and hadith t buttress by points made from the knowledge Go gave me. I did not attack the christian leadership in my effort not to offend anyone. I believe in Jesus son of Mary [sa] and his God, Ellah Who sent him.


@Abouzaid:

by abouzaid: 4:29pm
Sweetnecta, this ur tactics of diverting from the op article with ur self contrasting speech and attacks on irrelevant ppl to this topic is irritating.the op did not quote the bible or jewish talmud, he quoted islamic texts so face the topic. 1) closing this thread 3 times and moving it to the islam for muslim section(where their motto is islam for muslims, muslims only even the moderators are muslims) clearly shows the intolerant spirit of muslims. 2) the holy spirit did not penetrate mary and mary issue is irrelevant here.if you want to discuss mary issue, open a thread for it based on biblical accounts just as the op did based on the reliable quran,hadith&sira and we will discuss it with out me quoting islamic books to prove that muslims did worse. I will face the issue squarely. Right now face the quranic and hadith quotes in the op article.3)aisha was 6 when she was married to muhammed and fondled/thighed by him(the act of thighing is a criminal offense known as child molestation) and she was 9 when he penetrated her. If that sounds like a legal marriage of consent to your conscience, so be it.4) muhammed married thirteen wives whereas he commanded muslims not to marry more than 4. 5)he had captured married women at war and penetrate them as he wish 6) this your chop and clean mouth talk is totally off point. Pls face the issue. I teach here in the north and i know the promiscuos life style lived and accepted as normal by muslim students, lecturers, non academic staffs etc. Even secondary school students. The fulani are well known for Molestation,immorality,homo,fornication,adultery,armed robbery,etc the muslim north is the only place where open air homo prostitution thrives in this country. It's now a common talk that many women breed children from another man 4 their husbands. Muslim arab beggers are giving birth everyday to mixed race children out of wedlock from the local muslims. The list is endless,yet i don't use it for this post cos it's irrelevant to what we are discussing. Since i have noticed that u have no good defence, i thereby conclude with the op and will not answer you again.

The muslims know a proper hadith when they read it; it always must agree with the Quran. And Islam does not end up in northern nigeria: we have southern nigerian muslims. I happen to be one with long family history in Islam.


islam is not all about Arabs, because there are arabs who are not muslims. And 911 was a litmus that Islam is bigger than the muslims because many in the west started running into Islam, in spite of what the muslims were going through. And the standard yardstick of knowing how a muslim is doing is the Quran and authentic hadith and verifiable sunnah. Islam stands on its own, devoid of culture, even that of the arab even that of Makkan and Madinan. Again, i say that Islam is the chain that ties me and many from our lower instinct. So when a person writes garbage, we sometimes dont let him have a free range by challenging him.

And in spite of so many saying they are believers, they make mistakes; adegboye slapping a young woman is a good example or the collection of big bucks from poor people to buy private jet is another or chris calling his newly divorced from former wife jezeebel is another. I do not know a christian leader on earth worth his/her weight in morality where in you and yours think Muhammad [sa] is a beer parlor discussion topic? The catholic priests and nuns are parents of children buried in the convent buildings.


and if you think we will not respond to your allegations when you only copied and pasted not being original, then it is very shameful because as a young man, you should research things out. You even quoted wrong hadith {Bukhari 4/232} which has not bearing to the argument. If you had checked, you will know that Ali Sina is completely off base.

if the muslim leaders have been up to par in Islam and the muslim community as a whole had put their reputations against Islam, all would have stayed as muslims, and not as religious and tribal bigots you see them as now.

@Jerseyboy: I know enough about New Jersey to know that your statement about culture and fear are the things that keep people in Islam. I dont know where you live in Jersey, but on bradford and broad in newark, there are muslims and their mosque is one of the good size building in the whole of downtown. You will find african americans, caribbean american in there. And there are many other mosques including the ones on springfield av etc. East orange in the armory near to the highway going to the oranges has a good community of mostly african american with abu amima a solid american scholar at the helm.

how about Jersey city? I doubt if you know what you are talking about.

@saint paris:

by Saint paris: 9:28pm On Aug 20
Did he sleep with a 9yr old or not? huh

he slept with his legal wife if that was your question. i hope you will sleep with yours or if you are a woman yours will sleep with yours. Between Muhammad's relation with his young wife and Holy Ghost and his young baby's mama Mary, the better example to follow is Muhammad [sa], or you can follow the example of the ghost who didnt marry Mary?


@E_monkey:

by E_monkey(m): 10:25pm On Aug 20

truthislight:

no wander your name is monkey.

Stop Monkeying Around here pls.

cry

Saint paris: Did he sleep with a 9yr old or not? huh

I like how your pathetic anti Islam topics didn't go anywhere at all. grin

there is nothing special about his question except ignorance. God answered him by what the Bible recorded for Yahweh and Holy Ghost on Mary.


@abouzaid:

by abouzaid: 10:34pm On Aug 20
the most decisive argument against the
claim that Joseph was a craddle-robber is the
fact
that the same non-canonical writings which are
used to gather information on Joseph and
Mary's age, also confirm Mary's status as "ever
virgin" (in The History of Joseph the Carpenter,
Jesus says on Joseph's death "my mother, virgin
undefiled" .

tintingz you wrote that, honestly your posts re totally confused and self contradictory, i think your intentionally wearing us down with abra ca da bra talk so i wont reply you again

for me Joseph is too little. So I am putting up Holy Ghost on Mary as the forced sexual partner. That is rap.e. And it is fitting for a ghost to sleep with a person. It is unbecoming of Trinitarian God to sleep with Mary. She got pregnant. Was she married to the ghost? You have a problem ridden God, abouzaid. I can live with what Muhammad [sa] did: i married a younger woman. Can you mount a woman that you do not marry, overshadowing her and coming upon her so much so that she got pregnant and you claim that you did not have se.x with her? Who will believe such a bold face lie if you tell it to your village elders? Oh. You may have to bride them all to get out of that one.


@Abouzaid;

by abouzaid: 10:51pm On Aug 20

Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Is...perversion.htm
PedophiliaLet me begin with a quote from a fatwa by the late and
unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran.

Fatwa is an opinion. It could be wrong opinion.

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl
is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from
having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other intimate acts such
as pre-intimacy, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having
intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed
a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged.
If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for
her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four
permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

You need not fear that your Muslim male baby-sitter will Molestation your
7-year-old daughter. If he is a good Muslim he will only sodomize her. If
he does force his joystick into her tiny womanliness he is obligated to pay for
any surgical repairs that may be required. If those repairs are deemed
insufficient you may work out a financial settlement to compensate you for
his trivial infraction. No big deal. Muslim boys will be Muslim boys. And,
after all, she is only a girl.
Other forms of intimate abuse inflicted on children by Muslim male family
members include handling of Cores, coercing a child to handle the
abuser's Cores, self-service with the child as either participant or
observer, MouthAction, BehindBased or womanly penetration by joystick, finger or any
other object. Another technique used by Muslim men is called "thighing".
The child's legs are pressed together and the abuser inserts his joystick
between the thighs of the little boy or girl. As this was how Mohammed had
sex with his wife, Aisha, from the time she was six years old the
practice, of course, was approved of by Ayatollah Khomeini who in his
Little Green Book asserted “It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh'
or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place
his joystick between her thighs, and to kiss her.” Yes, indeed, you can be a
good Muslim while copulating with the thighs of an infant. An Arab woman
vigorously denounces this vile practice in the following video clip from
Bahrain TV. Her denunciation of the "thighing" of infants and young girls
comes towards the end of the interview.
This practice flourishes in Muslim countries where women are ruthlessly
oppressed and normal intimate development systematically suppressed. That
would include the Arab world, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Deny men
wholesome and natural intimate outlets and they will find unwholesome and
unnatural alternatives.
The Grand Ayatollah's full ruling on marriage can be found here. The
institution of "temporary marriage" appears to be designed to facilitate
prostitution. A USA Today article tells the story.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112411

the article have links to all the quoted reports

i only read enough to my last bold. I know that a man like khomeini would not have penned such an opinion. And i am not even a shiya. islam forbids contact with a person of the opposite gender that is not your spouse or close relative. How on earth do you think a man of the caliber of khomeini in his community, a father and uncle will say "oh sodomize, and all that you put up there" each completely opposite to Islam and no one in his shiya community did not have an opposing opinion? What will the sunni say to this? What does Quran say, mr. abouzaid the anti logic? I am sure the ex muslim is now covered with the blood of Jesus or if he is humanist the just doing of good and i am sure he is not jewish because the christian already took the right of covenant and the ark is lost, anyhow.

Many a story i have read on Nairaland where christians connect right here on NL and took that connection to se.xual flings in places like Akure and Abuja is not excluded. The muslims just finished ramadhan and in it, they organized eating together. No one of them intended to take advantage of the meeting and turn it to chopping and clean mouth.

You can lie, but your lie will not pass as truth in the mind of reasonable people.

@truthislight:

by truthislight: 8:12pm On Aug 20

Sweetnecta: ^^^ I dont know what you are on.
But it is a bad quality in you if:
you re not a muslim, yet dress up like a muslim.
That is deceit. You need to go and remove the Islamic head covering you have on in your picture.
You should uncover your head, as it should be uncovered.

if you are a muslim, then you are one of the most ignorant muslims on earth.
islam does not need you and it will be a relieve if the wheat is known clearly from the useless shaft.


did you not notice from her post that she was quoting you saying that you can Be Intimate with a three year old child?

Lol.

This is insane.

you and her seem to be driving away from the light of truth into the abyss of darkness borne by spiritual ignorance. Islam will not let me sleep with a woman who is not my legal wife, whether she is a full grown woman or underage. A woman i will sleep with will have to be my wife that participated in marriage contract with me. This is the rule which Muhammad [sa] tells me to follow.

What rule do you follow and who instructed you about the rule?

@Msdarkskin:

by MsDarkSkin(f): 4:36am
Lol @ this thread.

This is why Ayan Hirsi Ali gets my respect.

Ayan Hirsi ALi is the biggest fraud ever from Somalia. I will tell you why below.

Not because she talks down about Muslims. In fact I respect Muslims to the fullest however, [b]she exposed everything that has been mentioned on this thread live and direct SOOO many times, yet people STILL seem to be "astonished" when they read about Prophet Mohammed's fetishes. LOL[/].

Yard girl, what "fetish" are we talking about here? Is anyone you know anywhere on earth a virgin at 25 and marries a 40 year old, twice married already? Lived with this spouse until death when the 25 year old now is 50 and next marriage and sex.ual relation was 2 years after? Even if a 65 year old man marries you right now, they will say exactly the same thing while you are a fully grown woman, or are you underage in any society?

The jews say 13 is the age of maturity. Islam says age of maturity when the individual hits puberty: and you know there is no standardize age for that. Or is there in your mind? You live in new york and you know how the blacks, whites, spanish, asian kids are? or you wear blinders on flatbush and norstrand? The labor day is coming on eastern parkway in just 2 mondays. Do you see how the youngs whine? I a a muslim and I do not go near the place. Why and not because I a an angel. Muhammad [sa] is my example.

]Funny thing is some folks popping shotz and fail to realize as Christians/Catholics you need to put down the heat because if I am not mistaken, s3xual abuse (of little girls AND boys) is known secret within the faith and the international community. lipsrsealed

This is why I don't follow any particular religion...

Anyway,
In defense of the Prophet..."do as he says, not as he does." tongue

I a doing as Muhammad [sa] did and says. My wife is pretty younger to me and she is legal in any place, including Kingston, New York City, London, Lagos even. Ayan has a misplaced priority and took advantage of her unsettled society of Somalia and exploited it to the fullest. Here is a girl who couldnt keep her panties on around men in her circle even if they are married. She is a freak and a darn home wrecker. Such a person is not fit to talk about Morality when it comes to se.xual decency.

Her crux initially for being against anything islamic was the female circumcision. Islam is against it, too. But for an ignorant mind like her, it is enough to capitalize on, keeping the truth, that it is sub sahara african thing instead of it is Islam! well she lied too often so frequently that she actually believed her own lies. And I dont have to tell you how gullible the liberal whites are in their hatred of religion and in particular, Islam. Or you don't know?

In america, more astute white and black and in between women are accepting Islam, yes, including lawyers [and you know how the lawyers are all about evidence].

Her case is like the case of the period of civil war in Nigeria, when everyone thought the federal citizens were Muslims oppressing the eastern christians, hence every student who is not from the east was a muslim, even as hes/she attends churches with the Iowans. Was that the truth because there were people who saw this lie as a means of getting ahead when in reality the two leaders on a war path were both Christians? Her disagreement with her horrible country, she puts on Islam. Islam should have shaped the people from warring among themselves, just to let you know that bad muslim is not the fault of Islam, but the fault of that muslim, alone for not correcting himself into Islamic quality.

Ayan has no standing on earth, except that people are so gullible that they will eat up lies as long as it helps them to remain blinded to the truth; the intention is for her to fleece the west. The christian west sees a chance to say see this man who says our human God aint really God is not to be followed.

Let me ask you this: If a man marries a wife and the community did not see anything wrong with the marriage, we will have to accept that either the community is sincere or ignorant in their position, maybe afraid to speak the truth. But if we see that no one challenge him on his marriage, even as his enemies talk about their opposition of him in many matters or his core position as the jews, and pagan arabs did against Muhammad [sa], what will be your conclusion on the issue of the marriage? Were they afraid of him because they are challenging him and even at war with him? He married older wives, no one complained about the younger wife or the older wives or the many wives.

I will like to read your opinion. I am very sure that it is the moral quality that I see of Muhammad [sa] that has made me as committed as I can and you know how easy it is to leave something that you see as filth. Each of us, man or woman can go to a neighborhood and enjoy something before we return home. And for me, it is Islam that stops me. If I were a christian, as they say "i will be chopping and cleaning mouth" so often that you will thing i am always chopping.

@Abouzaid:

by abouzaid: 10:39am
@tintingz, at what age did muhammed Be Intimate with aisha,did he thigh(child molestation) at 6? How many wives did he marry? Did he Be Intimate with his slave girls including the married slave women he captured at war? Etc. Simple question asked from your own holy books and your could not give an answer.

Abouzaid, what age did holy Ghost become intimate with Mary? Did the holy ghost thigh [first indication of rape] at 14? How many times did holy ghost over shadowed and came upon her? Did the holy ghost have intimacy with his creation, the woman Mary to produce your human God Jesus? Yes or no?

abouzaid, i can respond to each of your false allegations and make your God look worse than a common criminal.

No man is ever accused of molesting his legal wife, just because she is very young to him. I know. I am married to a grown women who is very young to me. Remember your God did not marry Mary. Oh no. He didnt see fit that she was good enough to be respected, hijacking her from the hand of old man Joseph who was yet to pay for her, though your Bible says he was already "toastng" her. This whole Mary thing with the ghost God and Joseph is frosting with fraudulence activities: She did not have anything to say about "nothing".

We read that Aisha [ra] participated in the formulation of the marriage contract. You are a nigerian. How many woman you know participated in the formulation of their marriage contracts? Do you know what marriage contract is in christianity if you are? Its prenuptial agreement. Islam invented it.

Many notable nigerian married younger wives; Ojukwu was one of them. Tell me a christian in any part of the world, in any time from Paul onward who has any morality to stand up to Muhammad [sa] or any of his followers [ra]?

I will then tell you where you are completely wrong.

@~Royal~: do you have anything to contribute or you just follow follow and being an armchair quarterback on monday after the sunday afternoon football, not soccer mind you? i know you dont have any sincerity in your bone.

@Kool J: get Jehovah, Yahweh or Eli/Elohim from Halleuysh/Halleluyah, and you will not be able to do it.
I will easily get Yah Allahu/Yah Ellahu from it.

I have to say something about the pictures of nigerian neighborhood; though off topic, why is there lack of beauty to the eyes instead it all looks like war zone, fallout shelters? Nigeria needs to learn about landscape and property maintenance. Everywhere is eruku and with all the pretty clothing, the wearer is covered with dust and she is not ashamed to walk the dirty streets.

@Val dee:

by val_dee: 7:09pm

When will you start defending your prophet and this despicable act? I don't even believe in the bible so quoting it.means nothing to me.

whats despicable about a marriage that no one used it to accuse him? or you think the people of old times dont have morality and you are a good measure of morality? a man who married older woman, twice married while he was a 25 year old virgin in over 1400 years ago is better than a 40 year old virgin of today. even a 50 year old virgin of today does not have his morality. Are you a virgin, man and how old are you in today's nigeria? I am certain that you are no virgin and if you are not married before se.x what moral compass are you using to talk here?

The quality of minimum age of marriage is puberty. Aisha [ra] reached it and she was like the daughter of donald trump of new york city of today. she did not married because of poverty and she was not abuse and she did not complained of being not treated like a wife. so what right do you have in talking, again?

I want to understand the justification for a 52 year old man marrying a 9 year old girl? What a shame Heobviously falled in His calling .

today muslims under Muhammad [sa] close to 25% of world population. Is that a failure after close to 610 since christianity has been on earth? more than 2000 years the jew claims that his religion has been on earth, forgetting that Adam was a muslim. How did Muhammad [sa] failed when Islam is the fasted growing religion in USA? In the world, too. what justification do you have against a legal relation of marriage between 2 noble people, where no one in their time used the relationship as a reason to reject Muhammad [sa]? 52 is a young age in so many parts of the world. I know that you see 52 as over the hills. people are living into 120 and beyond so 52 is nothing. So if 9 year old pigmies had married an 8 year old where life expectancy is like 24, what will you say? are you now saying 52 years old man in a society where life expectancy was 30 and where people got married young, should not live out his life?
Muhammad [sa] was our example of how to marry: older, divorced, widowed, younger, age group, only wife, co-wife/wives are all permissible. Incidentally, to support my statement of him being our best example, when revelation was completed, God took is soul not long after. What moral compass are you using, mr. nigeria where because of lack of men and lack of serious moral footing, prostitution abounds, homosexuality is now a thing people can be proud of. In my youth people run out town when they are pregnant without being married first.



@abouzaid:

by abouzaid: 7:13pm
@tintingz, ur post that said mary was married at an early age as quoted by an apocrysha book also said the same apocrypha book said she died a virgin. It even said that jesus called her my ever virgin mother when joseph died. Pls read ur own posts and stop posting nonsense here.

leave the marriage of Mary to old man joseph aside because we dont believe it. We believe with you that Mary God pregnant. So lets look at how old Mary was and who got her pregnant. Shall we and do you have the liver to discuss it parallel with discussing Aisha [ra] and her husband [sa]?

Remember who was a wife and who was not? Who was a husband, legally married and who was not but got a woman pregnant, anyhow. I hope you can be honest for once in you discussion here.

this ignorant people marching against 11 year old who is handicapped, even she was not and even she was carrying out the order of her elders does not after all of that merit the outrage.

The muslims may show displeasure, thereby discouraging people taking the Quran as a thing of play. that should be it.


The messenger [sa] forgave all and was mild and wise in how interfaced with people who were clearly wrong.

Quran is an oral document, though projected that it will be a physical book by its being referred to as "Kitab" in many verse.
Kitab that is not studied benefits those who do not study it. Even if studied and the knowledge from it is not implemented, it is a bad and useless knowledge.

Knowledge should benefit man. And since Muhammad [sa] referred to raufun rahim in surah taubah, muslims should learn from him and display kindness and be willing to forgive.

I say that most inject culture into Islam, hence watering down Islam. May Allah guide us all. Amin.

you know that Laa illaha ilAllah is the appropriate last "words".

This your Allahu Akbar tells me you were never truly a muslim. no muslim will say Allahu Akbar is last words instead of Laa illaha ilAllah.

or you used to play one on tv? today there is "america muslims" tv program centere on arab blood, michigan.

@Vemmawealth:

by vemmawealth(f): 12:56am


Which invisible devil?

I forgot that you know the devil enough to give his full description.

Is it d one that deceived your Muhammad?

The only one the devil cant impersonate is Muhammad [sa] Get behind me, satan; Jesus said to Peter. And Jesus was driven into the wilderness and later was tempted 3 times by the devil. Oh see. The devil is not invisible by your account. I notice that you did not respond to any of my questions.

Even to yourself, you are not making sense.

she also read mind of a man she can not identify if she met him. You are on a roll, woman.

If you like fast forever, there is non of you that will not enter hell. It is the commandment of Allah.

Apart from the evil doers and hypocrites among the muslims, no Muslim inshaAllah will enter Hell. The commandment of Allah that hell will be filled with stone and man will be fulfilled on disbelievers.

You guys are so dumb. Moon and star is d sign of d power of ur Allah? What about d ocean, d Galaxy, Milkyway, axis of the earth, rotation and revolution, etc? They are not part of what show forth his power? Too bad.....

everything is in the control of Allah. He can use any and or combinations or all as His means of blessing or punishment.

Allah is limited. He's a god and you are serving satan tru him.

satan is cursed by me. I hope you do not curse whoever you are serving? And I serve Allah directly not through anything or with anything or anything through Him. Allah is Unlimited and He is never weary, fatigued that He must rest and refreshed.

I put it to you that the reason you have star and moon on your mosques is because those are the elements you worship. Ezekile 8:15-16 said you face the east and worship the sun.

Those muslims who live westerly to the Kaaba do back the sun. Those who live northerly or southerly side the sun. How do you come to the conclusion of us worshiping star that are adornment of the heaven/sky, help in nightly navigation, missiles to pelt the devil, or the moon that allows us to measure the length of the month, while the same moon helps women to have their monthly? abeg woman, say something else. You hate Islam. Thats known, but shameless lies, thats completely evil. i forgot you know the devil intimately.

Where do u face when you prostrate?

I face the north pole like from where I live. I do not face the sun. So ma. The facing of the sun is for those on the west side of Kaaba and between the tropics. Research it out.

@Tiarabubu: There are ethnic muslims. Makka and Madina are exclusively the homes of ethic muslims.
You cant enter these places unless you are a muslim.

if you are not and you are discovered, you and those who supported you to commit this crime are done.

Jerusalem if Abraham were to be alive today will have more right over it than any of these people: His first son, Ishmael. His second son, Isaac. The sons of Isaac, Esau and Jacob. The sons of Jacob. From the sons we have the people called the jews.

Definitely, the city of Jerusalem belongs to those who follow the foot steps of Abraham in belief. And we know that Abraham was not a Jew or Christian.

My argument is strong and Masjid Aqsa is a clear evidence of it. So is the Dome of the Rock. For the most part the palestinians are by and large Muslims just like the jews are by and large jews in religion.

Judaism does not predate Islam which started from Adam [as] Even Moses was not a jew by religion and i doubt if he was a jew by his national ethnicity. Check your bible and see when the word jew was used as a religion, then as ethnic identity. It was a thing not in the time of King David.

^^ There are many things that are in your missing link.
if somebody is functioning without a full deck, it is you.

how do you suddenly assume that mind is a function of the brain?
are you just talking without thinking it through?

which one is more important to man to be alive: brain or heart?

we have seen people missing part of the brain and they are alive.
if a person is missing part of the heart and it is not repaired to a whole, death will occur as soon as possible.

few years ago, I saw a chicken on a far in iowa or so that had no head, yet lived for many many days or even months.

have you heard of headless chicken? it can function without the head so it is without the brain.

i have not heard of heartless chicken alive before. mind must therefore the exclusive functions of the brain,
but more of the heart and less of the brain.


and i have answered your hell and eternity as both eternity and if God Wills temporary eternity.
the question is do you want one of the two for yourself?

i dont want either and i dont wish it on those who are alive because the Door of Forgiveness is flung wide open for all to enter.

@Frosbel: calling people swines and dogs without reason is horrible.
and arguing for Jesus with words of others as you have dont is even more horrible.

by frosbel(m): 9:39am
The bible is full of imperatives. Some call for positive action: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. (Mt 28:19-20)

was it in the tradition of the Jews to baptize? how was the new idea developed and how can the disciples know how to do conduct this new concept, considering that you said they were forgetful, the reason the holy ghost came so quickly? And how wide is this "all nations" if it is more than the 12 nations of children of Israel?


and the Jesus who said he was not but sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel wouldnt have extended his message beyond the boundary and still be obeying his Sender, if the order is true on the disciples. or are we dealing here as we would deal in "by myself I can do nothing" suddenly becoming the maker of all, while we read how Satan [lana] said he owns everything and the jews [lana to the evil doers among them] became his "biblical killers"? you dont have any evidence and you can not say because he is God while we know that Ellah is God of Jesus.

Some imperatives call for negative action: "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." (Matthew 7:6)

meaningless.

the Spirit inside us we are admonished in Matthew 7:6 to be careful of offering holy and pure Gospel truths to those who are only snarling dogs, waiting to tear them apart for their own vicious pleasure. In this day and age of instant social contact through blogs, Twitter, Facebook and other media, Gospel outreach is all the more prevalent. But so is the ease with which the dogs and swine mock and scoff.

who advised you Jesus or somebody else? Please let us see the Gospel of Jesus not gospels mostly about Jesus. How far?

@MacDaddy01: To explain my golden rule, and using nigerian jingoism: When I toast a woman for wife she will hear me say to her "if you want me, you must be a muslim".

And hell is Permanent and could be if Allah Wills it for some, finite, having an end.
Life on earth is lived as if it is permanent: part of a hadith.
Life on earth is lived as if it is ending right now: the other part of the same hadith.

The message of the hadith [Allah and His messenger [sa] only know], with a reality that I know is that I did not know for sure when i started living this life. I will not know for sure when my time will be up. One thing I know now is that I am here now; I have lived some life and for certain I will die and the world/life will remain for as long as God permits it.

Then Judgment Day.

Hey. Have you heard of the Golden Rule of God? "I your Lord is your God. So worship Me and obey My Commandments".

When you are closing your eyes and do not use your mind, you ask where your God is.

Do you have a mind? Where is it? If you a creature like me know that you have a mind and you will never be able to show that very mind as a physical component like the limb or liver is, how do you expect to see your Creator Who created the mind you have yet cant show the mind to me?

@true2god:

by true2god: 4:03pm

E_monkey:
That Royal just put the picture there. The person in that picture is not him.

E-monkey and sweetnecta u guys shuld leave 'royal' alone and face the fact. Different pple, difffrent culture have a way the dress. The dressin of an average european is differnt frm dat of an arab. A european that wears jacket and trousier might be a muslim while an arab that put on kaftan might be a xtain. The jews cover their head in synagogue, most xtain churches, e.g lord choosen, deeperlife, assemblies of God church, etc make it mandatory for their women to cover their head in the church. The muslim women also cover thier head. Evryone has a taste of fashion and wat he likes to put that he deems good for him. I dnt particular tink his dreesin shuld bother u but his contribution to this topic. Pls u guys should stop chasin shadows, derailing the thread. I put my question to E-monkey and sweetnecta, if u hav a six yr old daughter and a FIFTY-TWO yr old man comes to ur house tellin u he wants to marry her wont u calll 911? I say and i repeat: DO NOT LET RELIGION ALTER YOUR RATIONALITY.

the other day the music group that mitt romney is using their song as his campaign song complained because they disagree with his ideology. the girl whose picture ~Royal~ has on the window should e disgusted with him/her if she knows what he/she is doing. Alhadulillah that it i not everyone that loves Muhammad [sa] in the way that not everyone loved Jesus [as] and Moses [as]. The verses of the Quran are alive appropriately.


"head and neck" covering is specific to muslim women and from america to europe and across the world muslim women put it on as obedience to Allah of what He commands on pages of the Quran. your argument on closing falls flat. I am a muslim who wears the beard and if i were to like the christian cross or the jewish capi [skull cap] or hindu red dye on the forehead, because I am not from anyone of them, i will not do any of them. It is one of my reasons that I do not wear what is common to the hindus or what is particular to the jews, etc.


hypocrisy is what "Royal" has displayed.
And as to my 6 years old being married to a 52 year man, if i were to be a father of daughter who is ready by that age, it will be a better thing that she is married than she is the girl that all the boys in our neighborhood will be experimenting and gaining experiences through. after all the christian holy spirit for the father came upon and over shadowed young virgin marry of 14 or so to have the god son.


how wrong a mere human being could be when he married his already matured wife who never objected to the marriage or complained about what husband and wife do in the marriage? Remember she had her father to complain to if she was a child innocent, she would not have known how her father will react except "daddy will support me". Who supported Mary and who can she complained to? again, the ignorance of people will not let them realize their foolish thoughts.


in the eastern coast of the usa, a mere 100 years ago, women could be married at 12. people set up age of marriage to prevent the continuation of early marriage and we all know that not everyone achieve at the same age. in nigeria, people mature differently. and little boys and little girls are sexually active,wrongly though. but thats the reality. Allah prepared Aisha [ra] for Muhammad [sa] as you a christian that Yahweh prepared little girl Mary for really old old man [ancient of days] holy ghost.

live with it. take it on the chin.

@Toba:

by toba: 9:58pm On Aug 18
you guys should desist from fooling ur selves on the internet and get to the real world

is new hampshire fooling herself by the law on the people of that state? if the law of same sex marriage allowing people to do what they do, why are you saying the law on the books talking about 13 for females and 14 for males in marriage is fooling yourselves?

america meant it when they john hancock it.

and it is Muhammad[sa] that is restricting us from behaving like you, keeping a girl on the window and chase after every muslim woman just as well. abeg do dubule. either you marry the one on your window and let her go so that some sharp muslim in lagos can make a muslim wife out of her.

@MacDaddy01:

by MacDaddy01: 2:36pm On Aug 17

tbaba1234: ^I have given you the answer... check ibn kathir tafsir for more

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2877&Itemid=66

May Allah save us all from the Hell fire...


Allah should save us from the hell he prepared in the first place?

remember you dont believe He exists and He didnt create anything. If the kitchen stove is too hot for you to lean over when you are cooking, maybe you should change your disbeliever concept and know that you need Him Who you can not totally conceptualize, capturing His full essence.

I wonder how you would react if a salesman came to your door to tell you that he has a product that would save you from mental illness. However, the mental illness virus was designed by him and if you dont believe him/the product, you will suffer the mental illness

if the sales person has total control over me, then I have no choice but to accept his statement. This salesman's idea of control if I accept your premise as I am refining it in my way that he has absolute control, then he will have that control over me that I realize that I need him. Others do need him so as much as I do. A doctor is more likely to illustrate this need on a sick person in the hospital ward.

But the position of the salesperson is simply temporary because he will need the very device he is trying to get me to buy. Hie and the doctor are mere humans like me, and could be in my shoes just as quickly. So their authorities over me are at best temporary.

The case of God is difference. Regardless of your denial, He is Permanent and Absolute. So you will have to know that God is not the salesman, messengers/prophets were. God is the designer of the product that will make your life okay which the salesperson is telling yo to even take without paying for it. All you have to do is to remember using it according to instruction, everyday and at the end of term, you will be evaluated on your usage and remembrance of its constant use as per manual.

If you buy Rose-Royce and refuse to follow the instructions provided for oil changes in engine maintenance, will you have the right of recourse with the car company when you have no transportation because the engine is damaged?

@MacDaddy01:

by MacDaddy01: 12:41pm On Aug 17

tbaba1234: ^ The bad?

Islam is perfect..

Your question has been answered... Thread close...


[b]Really? Didnt you tell me to accept that the Quran says that a non-muslim can not marry a muslim woman? Is that perfect? lmao[/b]it is perferct because lion [muslims] is never a spouse of cattle [non muslim]. Besides, Quran gives the reason; disbeliever [in your case atheist man] and even atheist woman can not be the spouse of a muslim [woman], and even men making the allowance to marry non muslim wife a thing with guideline.


[quote]Asper this question, you'll notice that Sweetnecta is perambulating around the issue.

perambulating i did not: the eternity of punishment is even as long as there is intense punishment, not knowing when it will be ending. God may not end it if He wills. Only an ignorant prideful person will say he will rush in to a raging inferno for 10 minutes. How much will the pain be in that length of time? So the permanent eternity and the eternity that God may stop by His Will both are not what a person should want to experience. In spite that Allah did not say he is Angry and curses on the other group, it is His Will to stop it or not.

I put up 2 quranic verse the sum up my point and she is giving theories that have no grounds in reality or the quran.

I am a he, silly. And if I were younger and live in England, your muslim girl you will lose in a heartbeat because she will definitely prefer a muslim nigerian as a husband over an atheist nigerian boyfriend. And there is no theory in my response because while you rushed through your reasoning, I took the verses in. I say "if Allah Wills" in the case where it may end. "May end" I say because "if Allah Wills" it not to end no one can do anything about it.

-That there is one hell for killers and another for disbelievers huh

look at it this way; its a prison. Some are isolated as lifers, getting no contact with the general population at all and having just 1 hour of light, everyday.
the other is a prison that may have an ending if parole is granted.

do you want one of them? for me, neither.

^^^ I dont know what you are on.
But it is a bad quality in you if:
you re not a muslim, yet cover your head up like one.
That is deceit. You need to go and remove the Islamic head covering you have on in your picture.
You should uncover your head, as it should be uncovered.

if you are a muslim, then you are one of the most ignorant muslims on earth.
islam does not need you and it will be a relieve if the wheat is known clearly from the useless shaft.