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@SimplySEA:

by SimplySEA(m): 10:37pm

Sweetnecta: @Prof Kenny: Prof Kenny, i do hope you know that the human has a natural instinct to self preservation and survival? No one can endure pain except that he reaches a breaking point that he show signs that he can not endure it any further. He therefore will go into survival mode to prevent any further piling up of about by either running away, fighting back or simply avoid more pain as it were before.

if I are now permitted to do something now, people of insight will think before now you were not permitted, even though it wa necessary that you do so or not necessary yet to do so. either way, if it was fighting those who have been fighting you, how do you see your new condition being permitted to fight back as being contradiction to you being peaceful by nature or that suddenly you are now a violent person?

Those who advocate turning the other cheek do not often observe it especially when they perceive the pain that will come will dishonor them. They resort to preemptive strike before any strike or strike harder that what they received or dont take the strike without showing that it came with overwhelming pain that disorient them, so much so that you wonder why pretend to be the another cheek turner when you will disrespect everyone, including the One Who did not inflict pain on you.

I see fighting those who fight you are the most humane of all strategies that can be proposed in peace or war time, even if you are a giant or weakling.

how you think the below is to what i wrote above is mind bugling.

yr point is quite daisy! If i'd go by d moral of yr msg, i'd not jus strike, i'll do so with all intent and purpose and make it as hard as possible, before my enemy strike! Not very good a msg to preach at dis times! May not be yr intention, but i tell u, d picture is all over yr msg!

my point is dicey? I was making a case for "Now you are permitted to fight back". Think about that before you respond. I used preemptive strike to say that "Permission to fight back those who are fighting you" is superior and normal, even as the USA of George Bush thought preemptive strike was quite adequate in the case of Iraq. Imagine if USA simply fought back and did not engage in preemptive strike? Which of the two conditions would truly justified the position of USA without arm strong tactics of UN and the rest of the world?

lets talk about Afghanistan which i am sure you will say was not a preemptive strike like what happened in Iraq, but was of higher moral quality stand because we can loosely say that since Bin Laden was their guest and they did not release him, Afghanistan did the 911 attack. However, while USA had the moral right and permission after 911 to strike back those that struck her. What she did was struck harder and even continue to strike after it was obvious that it has been worse than a total beat down. Islam cautions muslims that when they fight back those who have been fighting them, when those people lay down their hostility, muslims should stop right there because there is no reason to fight anyone who is not continuing to fight you because he has stopped his aggression.

In two situation Islam tell the muslims to take the best moral position. Not turn the other cheek or preemptive strike but fight back those who fight you, until they lay down their hostility against the muslims. America is morally correct to fight back, except no moral justification for neither over beating in Afghanistan nor the preemptive strike in Iraq.

There is no moral excellence in turning the other cheek because you may lose your life when the second cheek is struck. You will look like a person who does not care for his life if you allow people to abuse you, which is what turning the other cheek is.

@Frobel: A scenario for you; I come to your house often and without permission i just pick up your car keys, always on the table each time to run my personal errant for the evening lasting up to 4 hours, each time.

Your wife is the one who makes the decision for the household that the car keys be left on the kitchen table where I do pick the bunch up.

This past tuesday, i arrived and I cant find the keys so that i could not run my errant and burn off the gas in your car which i never care to put back in the tank.

Now I am going about your neighborhood saying to people that you are a bad person for taking your car keys from the kitchen table to where i can not get to it as i used to before.

are you really such a bad person as i am conceive it in my heart or my characterization of you as bad person is unfounded and fly in the face of sound logic and common sense?

@Prof Kenny:

by Prof kenny(m): 7:18pm

tbaba1234:

Against the teachings? Id just give you one ayah, that should settle that...

Good and evil cannot be equal. [Prophet], repel evil with what is better and your enemy will become as close as an old and valued friend, (Surah 41:34)


That means the teachings of your prophet are contradictory!!!, in one encouraging peace and the other advocating violence by fighting those who fight against you.
Quran 22:39-40
Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory.[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ...".

Prof Kenny, i do hope you know that the human has a natural instinct to self preservation and survival? No one can endure pain except that he reaches a breaking point that he show signs that he can not endure it any further. He therefore will go into survival mode to prevent any further piling up of about by either running away, fighting back or simply avoid more pain as it were before.

if I are now permitted to do something now, people of insight will think before now you were not permitted, even though it wa necessary that you do so or not necessary yet to do so. either way, if it was fighting those who have been fighting you, how do you see your new condition being permitted to fight back as being contradiction to you being peaceful by nature or that suddenly you are now a violent person?

Those who advocate turning the other cheek do not often observe it especially when they perceive the pain that will come will dishonor them. They resort to preemptive strike before any strike or strike harder that what they received or dont take the strike without showing that it came with overwhelming pain that disorient them, so much so that you wonder why pretend to be the another cheek turner when you will disrespect everyone, including the One Who did not inflict pain on you.

I see fighting those who fight you are the most humane of all strategies that can be proposed in peace or war time, even if you are a giant or weakling.

the Rule of Allah for man to submit to Him in Islam shall prevail on earth.

@proo212;

by proo212(m): 1:05am
@Sweetnecta, we will remind you when the Copts have no part in the government of Egypt because as much as you claim view point of lawyer and grand mufti, it will be popular opinion leading to more persecution of the Copts.

What will you say then? Propaganda or lies. Let's wait and see, it will not take long.

what if it does not happen, will become muslim? What happened stayed in Egypt. I am not an egyptian and i will not be bent out of shape as long as egypt keeps on keeping on.

I am a nigerian and i dont pay tremendous attention to nigerian politics. Nigerians need to pay attention to nigeria first and we all need to do so since we have a lackey at the helm.

while Gadallah has his viewpoint, it should be assumed as the viewpoint of Islam. Even if the grand mufti of Al Azhar states exactly as the lawyer have stated, it is still individual opinion. Even if all muslims were to state the same, it will be individual muslim who has agreed to that opinion. You will have to look into the Quran and hadith that agree with what Quran says about Christians to then determine if the individual opinion of the muslim is in accordance to islam or not.

While I am certain that the muslims will not collectively agree on a wrong position, I am equally certain that the national polity/politics of Egypt is not the same as Islam.

Allah says about the Christians [copts and others] there food is allowed for you so is their {pretty and chased] women as wives. It is therefore unimaginable that they will be classified in the same position as the Hindu, Buddhist whose food/slaughter and women are forbidden to muslims.

frosbel. Relax. When Islam settles big time in your neck of the wood [tribal land], the food and the women of the remaining christians will be okay to chop.

@Frosbel and @Macdaddy:

by MacDaddy01: 10:17pm

Sweetnecta: @Bright007: maybe you should try to log in, again to be sure the inaccessibility was not because you made a mistake but the moderator representing the truest nature of Islam about non muslims, blocked you. be sure before you broad stroke paint islam the way you did. the moderator does not know if a 'new poster/respondent' is a muslim or not without posting. in your case without accessing the thread.

Abeg, I'm happy that this thread is here. I'm happy that people can see the intolerance coming from that section. wink

How is the bold the logical respond to what i said? You can log in and post liberally there. the woman said she could not even log in.

by frosbel(m): 10:26pm

Sweetnecta: @Bright007: maybe you should try to log in, again to be sure the inaccessibility was not because you made a mistake but the moderator representing the truest nature of Islam about non muslims, blocked you. be sure before you broad stroke paint islam the way you did. the moderator does not know if a 'new poster/respondent' is a muslim or not without posting. in your case without accessing the thread.

Nonsense !!

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Intolerant religion for sure .

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by MacDaddy01: 10:29pm

frosbel:

Nonsense !!

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Intolerant religion for sure .

Frosbel, more grease to your elbow. Muslims like Sweetnecta like to ignore blatant intolerance from their endz

frosbel, you finally have a tag team partner enemy to to your both of you. Christian and Atheist tag teaming against Muslim. I can live with that because it has been predicted: Its in the Quran.

@Bella3:

by Bélla3(f): 4:17pm
Jesus is the son of God. Who fulfiled the Law, hence, no one shud be killed, stoned etc to show believe in God. People of the bible times believed God was wit them if they won battles, hence God confirmed it. We are al smal 'gods' hence if people say Jesus is God i think it is becoz he is elaved above man! He told us many times that he came to do the wil of his father(God). He didnt claim to be God. Bt if GOD ALMIGHTY can say humans are smal 'gods' then i think it is only right dat Jesus is called GOD, afteral he could create life through the power of GOD.

You arrive at calling Jesus the son of God, because the Bible did not say anyone else is son of God? Sons of God had conjugal adventures with daughters of men, when they came on earth. other sons of God were scattered all over your Bible.


In conclusion, Jesus was no more son of God than the baseless sons of God from Genesis onward. And when Jesus said he was fulfilling the Old laws, he admonished his followers that they must fulfill the same Old laws. So if any of you reading the Bible and saying that you follow Jesus, yet disobeyed him in the matter of fulfilling the Old laws, you are not truly following Jesus, therefore.


If the Old laws and the old prophets engaged in wars and killing, stoning, etc to show believe in God, then Jesus could not have said no one should be killed, stoned etc, if he truly was fulfilling the Old laws of the prophets. I dont know what you are trying to arrive at by your people of the Bible times believed God was with them if the won battle, hence God confirmed it?


Are you saying that after Bible times, people like you using the Bible dont have to believe in winning battles as a confirmation of belief in God and that God is on your side when you win battles? Or battle is no more ordained on you as a believer? It is the jews who wanted themselves special over other that they made themselves small "gods; idolatry" since they think God is for there blood only and no one else can get close to God. Hence when you christians called a prophet of God son of God, you fall into the same idolatry without knowing it. God is alone.


Small God[s]/gods is your own idolatry of yourselves. Jesus didnt create more than Moses created and both did of what the did because permitted as He commanded Moses, allowing Jesus as means of supporting them that they were truly elected. It is strange that you started out by wrongly calling Jesus son of God, since there is no logical/non confusing explanation for such God to have any child. You mounted your concept further by suggesting that you are all small God[s] and since Jesus was higher than you, he has to be finally be elevated to full God.


I submit to you that your argument and conclusion lack rational footings. You being a christian have suggested more than One God; The Original God and now the Jesus who is elevated to the status of God. And you claim in beliefs that you have One GOD, yet here is your argument above that at least 2 God[s] are in your religious life. You refuted The One God Concept and at the same time destroyed your Trinity. I am grateful that I am a muslim that i dont have to have many concepts: 1, 2 and 3 God[s].

its hard to believe that a "True Muslim" will in the month of Ramadhan be fasting, then killing innocent people because they are not muslims, then worse go a herbalist for anything at anytime.

I can not imagine going all the way against The Commandment of Allah not to shed innocent blood and not believing in Allah by going to a herbalist. Hard to believe.

@Bright007:

by bright007(f): 9:15pm
Well there is no smoke without fire.[b]I tried accessing one of d religious thread today and tried to no avail.
It only shows how intolerant the adherents of islam can be.[/b]First it was å push for å separate section and now they are restricting forumites from visiting the threads in d isolated section.
If people can hide behind computers and still portray their hatred for others by the actions above,u can imagine what they will do if u are with them physically.
Lesson of the Day:Tolerance is å Virtue.

maybe you should try to log in, again to be sure the inaccessibility was not because you made a mistake but the moderator representing the truest nature of Islam about non muslims, blocked you. be sure before you broad stroke paint islam the way you did. the moderator does not know if a 'new poster/respondent' is a muslim or not without posting. in your case without accessing the thread.

@Auwal87:

by auwal87(m): 2:23pm On Aug 07
Think of it like this, most simplest way to understand the difference.

Body = Hardware
Soul = Software
Spirit = Electricity

In Islam soul and spirit are different names for the same thing.
The thing that if in the body, the body becomes a living body.
The thing that if not in the body, before it is put in or after it is taken out, the body is not living, for sure.

Soul/spirit is like Man/Human

In the Quran naf of man is his soul. Then the same soul of man when looked at from spirituality aspect of the man is his ruh [spirit].

when the man dies, his body becomes lifeless, devoid of spirituality [he can not perform ibadat, acts of worship], and has no control of self [ability to stand, walk, talk, respond, etc, though he may still be able to hear, based on what the messenger [sa] said of the pagan makkan who died in badr].

@Bella3:

by Bélla3(f): 1:05am On Aug 06
@sweetnecta
what was Jesus b4 he became mild?

If you look at Jesus as "I AM", Yahweh, Jehovah of the Old Testament, then that hard killing and destruction and wholesale and grand scale massacre will be who he was before he became who you say he is the mild son of God who was advocating turning the other cheek and getting hung on a cross.

But wait a minute, that will not be any moral justice in killing everything including children, very old and even animals, cutting down the trees or the hanging of an innocent man so that the guilty can go free. Or you see differently?

But the God of Jesus Who is Allah/Ellah [according to syriac accented Jesus] is Compassionate, Merciful. He could have shown His Ability to punish, but He chose Mercy, until He will finally punish on the Day of Judgment, if He chooses.

@Davidylan:

by davidylan(m): 4:56am

debosky: undecided undecided undecided

Too sad. Unfortunately, self-preservation is the first rule in Nigeria - many are likely afraid of condemnation lest they become subjects of attack by these animals.

What is wrong is wrong - Muslims should be roundly protesting the un-Islamic nature of these attacks. I am saddened that none are doing so.


perhaps they are fasting? Or perhaps they are not protesting the "unislamic nature" of the attacks PRECISELY BECAUSE these attacks are mandated by allah, and are in accordance with islam. It is hightime christians stopped trying too hard to put a human face to islam when muslims themselves dont even bother to try.

While there is president in Nigeria and he is christian, perhaps someone needs to remind him and dame patience that the armed forces and NSA/SSS are at his disposal to protect nigerians, their lives and properties and should not be worried about who cattle got gored.

If Christian Gowon had killed many many christian nigerians to make the task of keeping nigeria one is a task that must be done and succeeded in doing it, i wonder how a christian president in the person of goodluck ebele jonathan cant deal with boko haram, just to keep nigerians in apparent secured border? A man who wishes to govern must be ready to shoulder the good and the bad of governance.

Is he afraid of his own power, his office, his image? From what i read on nl, he has a low image and when your image is in a tank in politics, you go for broke and do a full throttle up in governance. If this were to happen in america, President Barack Obama will unleash the power of his office to go get the white separatist, supremacy, etc, KKK group. The muslims of nigeria does not necessarily have to be the public voice constantly against boko haram when the christian president and his mostly southern christian executive personnel are not even concerned.

As a muslim, i deploy the act of evil by or from any muslim, on himself or on others. Islam allow freedom of religion when you read the Quran thoroughly. And no one has the right to terminate the life of others who are not in war theater against you.

And you will find the word infidel in the bible and there is no word in the Quran that means literally "infidel". And those commit excesses and say the are doing it as believers are lying in their saying that it is in the Name of Allah. It is in their own self interest, not for Allah.

@davidylan:

by davidylan(m): 5:09am

Delafruita:
jerusalem was totally sacked by the babylonians.even the bible confirms that all the isrealites were taken as slaves for 70years.its good you admit the isrealis didnt actually own the land.they forcefully took it from the jebusites.then they lost it and the palestines occupied it.bear in mind that the palestines didnt migrate there,they had always existed alongside the isrealis.also remember that salahaddin conquered jerusalemthe romans conquered jerusalem


Did this individual read his post before clicking "submit"?

Let us look at what he says...

1. Jerusalem was TOTALLY sacked by the babylonians - so i assume he means not a single jew was left when this happened. But we do know that jersualem was rebuilt AFTER the babylonian invasion... this much is well documented in history considering the Romans yet again invaded jerusalem and destroyed the temple LONG LONG after the babylonian attack.

American forces totally annihilated the Taliban fighters. I am sure davidylan will say this is a true statement because there is no true taliban resistance or fighter to openly step forward into the war theater. Are there any taliban fighters left? You bet, the reason america and the forces of her allies are still going about with guns, etc. They are still hunting for talibans. The condition of total annihilation of the talibans in this case is exactly the same as "Jerusalem was TOTALLY sacked by the babylonians". Both are exaggerations of the deplorable military strength of the people routed to be a noticeable resistant against the victorious, babylonians and americans, respectively.

2. Then they lost it and the palestinians occupied it - First of all... there were no arab people known as "palestinians" prior to 1964. Infact we do know that as at 1948, the name "palestinian" refered to jews. Secondly... when does the OP opine that "palestinians" occupied Jerusalem? After the sacking by the babylonians? In that case, does delafruita mean to tell us that Herod was an arab who rebuilt a jewish temple for arabs in the absence of muslims? Does delafruita also want to tell us that years of Roman historical records of their proxy rule over jerusalem jews was all a lie and that the people were infact arab/muslim "palestinians"?

the "pelestinians" do not truly have to have any arab blood in them before they are called arabs. My virtue of speaking the language, they are arabs, based on the statement of the messenger [sa] about anyone who speaks arabic to be arab. this is different from nigerians speaking english therefore british. no. there is no declaration from the crown that this is the case and england is nationalistic while islamic arabia under the messenger [sa] by an large was a religious entity. we are not talking about what the arabs are all about, today.


Makka adopted the arabic language of the yemeni and other arabs who settled it along with Ismail [as] when Zam zam water became a magnet drawing them to this place. I guess did not know that hebrew language was not the language created by the jews, but they adopted it from those who will definitely not be classified as jews; the language of the inhabitants already there when Abraham arrived with his family. if you argue that it was the language of Abraham, you will buttress my case, since Abraham was not a jew, so was Isaac, so was Jacob, so were 11 sons of Jacob and you may have to crudely argue that their brother Judah is possibly the first jew. Even that your heart should be able to tell you that you are wrong.

3. bear in mind that the palestines didnt migrate there,they had always existed alongside the isrealis - this is quite senseless. If the palestinians did not migrate there but had ALWAYS existed alongside the israelis then why where they not taken captive alongside the israelis by the babylonians? Where were these "palestinians" when Herod and pontius pilate were ruling over Judah/Jerusalem long after the babylonian sacking of jerusalem? why is there no historical record of this?

did people who were inhabitants of Jerusalem before Abraham ever set his feet on it, . . . . before the children of israel settled it after exodus also got taken captive alongside the israelis? if you don't know just say so. if you do know, just provide proofs. or the jews wiped them off the face of the earth and took their properties and believe no one else must enter and settle it but must be left empty for them and they will repopulate it when they are ready? davidylan the gentile man, the jews killed your God, says your bible.


is the jew more mportant than your God that you are so blinded that he can kill others or oppress to achieve his objective? the palestnians and the original owners of the land might have been minorities on that land while the stiff necked jews were being captured and exiled, ruled over by the roman kings you listed. if a bully walks into a playground, he will pick on the one who is strong to challenge his rules. when he is done giving him a thorough whooping, the weak who are on let us get along is always safe from the wrath of the bully. think about about the many defeat of the jews in the hands of the babylonian and roman bullies.

4. also remember that salahaddin conquered jerusalem - This is jumbled nonsense. On one hand delafruita is talking about the babylonian massacre and suddenly he jumps forward more than 1000 yrs after to talk about salahaddin? Was salahaddin a palestinian?

your nonsense is worse than what you call nonsense and try to critique. if salahuddin was a muslim and spoke arabic, if majority of the people residing in palestine were muslims and spoke arabic, then an arab speaking muslim salahuddin was a palestian based on the hadith that stated about speaking arabic.


but davidylan is probably no realizing that he should be ashamed because it was muslim salauddine who liberated the jews from the iron hand and merciless killing of the jews along with the muslims from the all too meek and turn the other cheek christian crusaders. Please step backward to you your former position on this matter.

@area boy:

by Area_boy(m): 3:58pm On Aug 06
@ sweetnecta

You keep posting these your annoying (very) Islamic propaganda videos that confirm nothing.

Please address directly, the issue raised by the OP and stop cherry picking on silly side comments made by others since after.

you are truly an area boy if you think glen beck is not speaking the truth but a propagandist for Islam. That Allah forced the lip of glen beck to announce that uslims have unique advantage of having God on their side. but a muslim propagandist glen beck changed his mind to simple say muslims have uniqueness of having faith. if there was no confirmation of anything special about the Islam from the tapes, why bent out of shape about Islam that mr ben-zion and jewish supporters like you are are working overtime to undermine it, calling it fake, and other derogatory words? lets leave the rabbis as possible muslim propagandists. anyone who knows anything about the american media talking heads for jews, other agenda and purely against islam will say you are wrong. You could not pay glen beck, sean hennity, bill o'reilly and others any amount of money to say anything good and truthful about Islam. people like me speak up to say that not everyone around is in the back pocket of the zionists. christians may because they are guilty about many things, holocaust being one of them, having a jew "Jesus" as their God, even some muslims because they are lukewarm or their positions need to be protected, but not this muslim. and many of us are semites by religion and or bloodline. and are not jewish.

and i have put the case forward for Islam as much as God has permitted me. the case for muslim is a person by person basis, just like for christis and jews and even outright idol worshipers.

@ israel ben-zion:

by israel ben-zion: 7:53pm
@ Sweetnecta:

1. Islam has many places in its Hadith where killing of Jews is advocated. So don't come here posturing as if Islam has ever bin friendly to Jews.

disbeliever who wage war [directly or indirectly by cooperating with people at war against islam],regardless of their ethnicity, jew or not jew is in the category you mentioned. and the enemy will kill you if he has the upper hand. but islma says muslim must not start any conflict, while judaism go out of its way to annihilate people. Both groups dislike disbelief, except tat torah of your "G-d" told you to kill even children. The rules engagement of war in Islam is far superior to what i see in the torah. I surmise that the jews wrote their own "rules of engagement of war" harshly so that they can justify all rap.es etc they continue to commit in frequent wars they wage. God will never support evildoers. When you kill gentiles or get some others to do it, that is from satan, not from God.

2. On the issue of Jerusalem, I wil hav u know that that city was a city of d ancient Jebusites, b4 it was conquered by d greatest Jewish king ever, David. And since then it became a Jewish city witout challenge or re-conquest. It was d capital of d Jewish Kingdom and has always been under Jewish control apart from brief colonial periods. So d claim of d Palestinians to d land is baseless.[/quot]the jebusites were not jews and the jews accused king David as adulterer, murderer, while islam says he is a good man, a warrior for the same of God, a just ruler, a man of good character, not an adulterer and not a killer, but an elect of God, instead, a Prophet [as]. The jebusites might not have challenged the jews because they were disbelievers. But God had allowed other people to sack the jews out of jerusalem, carted them away and made them dwellers in these places. The muslims captured Jerusalem and ruled it for centuries an built masji Aqsa and Dome of the Rock on it. Or will tell us i am lying, Mr. bin-zion? you also forgot while the european christians were waging their crusade, they didnt wage it for judaism but for Jesus or their fight with the power that control Jerusalem was the muslim, not the long defeated jews who were just mere residents.


[quote]3. Jerusalem had long bin a Jewish holy land before Islam was invented. Yet the hating Arabs claim it as theirs, as if the holy Jewish Temple had not stood there b4.

if she had people in it before the "jews", then somebody else can occupied it and jews have no right to claim it as a permanent inheritance.

4. How come Mecca and Medina ar no longer enuf as 'holy' sites? Must Islam be connected to anywhere d Jews hold sacred?

The best sites on earth deserves places of worship of God, instead of leaving it to worship of baal and tradition.

5. For ur info and anticipated trepidation, know this: the HOLY TEMPLE of G-D wil be rebuilt on that land that currently houses that mosque called Al-Aqsa. And there wil b nothing the Arabs can do abt it.

actually your Goliath pride is making you forgot that God has a way of raising up a David to crush prideful souls. Lets see you destroy Masjid Aqsa and try Masjid Madina and masjid Haraam in Makka and see how quickly God bring His Decision to you. God is worshiped by Muslim 24 hours a day worldwide. Every hour, somewhere on earth it is fajr, duhr, asr, magrib, isha and somebody is making tahajjud.

6. All I get from ur posts is a fanatical devotion to a lie,

Islam is a lie, yet it is the religion of Ibrahim [as]. Ibrahim was not a jew or a christian, his Lord said in the Quran. Could you prove otherwise, though you claim that you are following one of the Abrahamic faiths as if he had more than 1 religion? If Abraham was not a jew by neither religion or tribe, arent you now ashamed that you did say Islam is a lie?

a false religion and a hatred-filled way of life.

its hate filled. i know you are blinded by the rage of your hatred for Islam. Islam will triumph over you and your hatred. while judaism was named after the man judah, or the country judah or the town judea, Islam is not named after any of man, country or city. "bowing to the Will of God" is the meaning of Islam. Do you know any quality meaning for judaism?

And for those who say "If God exist, I like to see Him", forget that they will only know the reality of their folly when they finally get to the time God has appointed. Reality: the earth appears to be relatively flat if you are on your property. the truth of the spherical shape of the earth will no more be doubtful if one were to be in space looking back at the earth.

one who wakes up before sun is shining may actually observe it rising. he may see the sun throughout the day as if it is moving to a destination. Then he actually see it setting, heralding the nightfall. This is the reality of his sight. But if he were to be in space, he will that it is the earth that is moving, turning about so that new part is exposed to the light of the sun that made his eyes see a rising, a traveling and a setting sun. sun in reality does not rise or set, though it is traveling on a journey part from that of the earth.

what i am saying is this, if your eyes can give you an impression that is not reality when your brain interpret what the real situation is with the sun, why would you think you can handle the sight of anything that is Truly God's, eg Light from Him that the bold Moses [as] could not handle when the light was allowed to the mountain, which cause the mountain to become dust?

If you dont even know the reality of the sun from the earth, how can you ask for God to appear physically to you? Can the earth be able to contain God when His Angel can overwhelm the earth, if God commands it?

Should we not be satisfied with the creation as signs of existence of God Who has brought about all of these? why then do we want to look at God with our sight before we believe He exists when we cant even look at the sun with our na.ked eyes without disaster of compromised vision, right away?

And for those who say "If God exist, I like to see Him", forget that they will only know the reality of their folly when they finally get to the time God has appointed. Reality: the earth appears to be relatively flat if you are on your property. the truth of the spherical shape of the earth will no more be doubtful if one were to be in space looking back at the earth.

one who wakes up before sun is shining may actually observe it rising. he may see the sun throughout the day as if it is moving to a destination. Then he actually see it setting, heralding the nightfall. This is the reality of his sight. But if he were to be in space, he will that it is the earth that is moving, turning about so that new part is exposed to the light of the sun that made his eyes see a rising, a traveling and a setting sun. sun in reality does not rise or set, though it is traveling on a journey part from that of the earth.

what i am saying is this, if your eyes can give you an impression that is not reality when your brain interpret what the real situation is with the sun, why would you think you can handle the sight of anything that is Truly God's, eg Light from Him that the bold Moses [as] could not handle when the light was allowed to the mountain, which cause the mountain to become dust?

If you dont even know the reality of the sun from the earth, how can you ask for God to appear physically to you? Can the earth be able to contain God when His Angel can overwhelm the earth, if God commands it?

Should we not be satisfied with the creation as signs of existence of God Who has brought about all of these? why then do we want to look at God with our sight before we believe He exists when we cant even look at the sun with our na.ked eyes without disaster of compromised vision, right away?

@Sirniyeh:

by Sirniyeh(m): 4:25am On Aug 06
Sweetnecta
na wa for you o! Which one are you saying again, that your God is up there.

Because He is not on earth with us, duuh.

You are pointing to up as your God's dwelling place.

dwelling place? where did i say that? God is not on earth and He is above all, including all the heavens. all creations, including the heavens are like a speck in His care. You need to be honest when you respond to me.

That means the God you talk about has three bedroom flat in the firmament?

so the biggest 'place' in your eyes is 3 bedroom flat? While I did not say the Creator is housed at all, there must be homes where you live that has more than 3 bedrooms, hence bigger than your 3 bedroom flat?

For a person like you to point upward for where God resides shows that you dont know what you are saying.while i pointed up, i never said God lived or resides there. I simply said God is up there above the earth for those of you who asked that He been seen with your human eyes, above all things including the topmost heaven so that you know that He is not within or part of creation. His Throne Supreme is over all heavens and He is "ABOVE" His Throne. I didnt say sitting on the Throne, but Above it.


[quote]Does He have bed there where He sleeps?

My God does not slumber or wary or tired. The ideal of refreshing of God in your mind is not part of Allah Who is my God, your God, regardless of your denial. Your reality is your reality. Someday, you will grow old to actually know that you may one day die and God may take account of your deeds.

@Proo212:

by proo212(m): 10:40pm On Aug 06
Lies, lies and more lies. I guess if you tell it long enough you start to believe it.

this should be directed to the egyptian woman spewing rubbish. i simple responded to her article in truth as much as i can. the absolute Truth is with Allah and she will find it on the Day of Judgment. you and will also see it.

You and I know Allah is full of hate for the Jews and unbelievers.

when you can figure why "I AM" of Moses hated Pharaoh and the egyptian who lost their first born in the PASSOVER, then you will under why the same may be case in the case of "jews and unbelievers". Weren't "IAM and Moses" to the hated egyptians similar to "Allah and Muhammad [sa]" to the your suggested "jews and unbelievers"? You see how dishonest you are seeing one set and ignoring, hiding really the other similar set?

I guess lying to you guys is OK if it promotes Islam.

i see that you forgot that the father of lies are biblical personalities? Let mention Paul for starters. Read him and parallel it against what others who knew Jesus said about Jesus. Read Paul and parallel him with the true disciples of Jesus who saw and lived his live with him. We already know that Yahweh did not commission Paul, considering that he was not the coming comforter who will "correct" the already "wrong, misguided, corrupted, etc" disciples of Jesus. Or was he, mr proo212? If the disciples needed comforter to correct them already, even if the comforter was the holy spirit, we will have to agree that either the teacher was a terrible teacher or the students were terrible student or both were just terrible teacher and student!

Lying to us is a sin.

really? so how come 1 God becomes 3: Father Yahweh/Jehovah/I AM/Ellah, Son Jesus and lastly the no name Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost?

I was going to read all you wrote but after the first few lines full of lies, I just had to switch off.

point out one lie that presented. Or are you former VP Di.ck Cheney who repeated "yellow cake and aluminum tube" enough to for an unnecessary way which ended huge amount of Muslim lives in the Crusade of President George Bush?

Please show me where Abraham ever set foot in Jerusalem.

open your mind, for a moment with religious mindset. How did Benjamin the son of Jacob get to Jerusalem, if his father was not there? How did his father get to Jerusalem if his grandfather Isaac was there? How did his grandfather get to Jerusalem unless his great grandfather was there? Where did you think Abraham lived so that the Bible writers for the jewish angle to claim that Isaac was to be sacrificed in a place now call dome of the rock, a muslim mosque in "JERUSALEM" that the "stone of the jewish story" is housed? I guess you didn't know enough of the lies of your history to actually know that the truth in the middle of the lie is the city of Jerusalem?

Jews are called pigs all the time, is that not hatred.

Jews are not called pigs, all the time definitely muslim jews are not pigs. So you are completely wrong, while the jews call the rest of us gentiles or goyim. Being called gentiles or goyim is hatred in my book, just like it is hatred that lead people to say yorooba or Yoruba instead of yoruba or olobeloloko.


[uote]I'm typing on a tablet, I would have refuted every o e of points properly.[/quote]your dishonesty is well recognized here.

If this post is still running by the end of the week and it hasn't derailed by then.

somebody will keep the light on for you. definitely, mr. pro212, you are a rare bird. you have no conscience.

Lies, lies and more lies.

God protect us from your fingers and the fingers of the egyptian writer.

by israel ben-zion: 2:46pm On Aug 05
http://www.jihadwatch.org/Nonie Darwish: Why Muslims must hate Jews

Why Muslims Must Hate Jews
by Nonie Darwish

Recently a Pakistani religious leader, Pirzada Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai, said: 'When The Jews Are Wiped Out... The Sun Of Peace Would Begin To Rise On The Entire World'. The same preaching is routinely done not only by clerics but politicians, in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. This is not just Ahmedinijad, it is at the heart of Islamic theology that world peace will be established only when all the Jews are wiped from the earth. But few people in Western media are alarmed by this kind of rhetoric or care to expose this dreadful dark side of Islam’s obsession with Jew hatred.

again political words and personal view of the "scholars" if different from what Muhammad [sa] said, it is worthless. Same way i see words of Benjamin Nathanyahu as worthless when he said benjamin, the son of Jacob walked the street of Jarusalem, earlier than any arab blood. But he forgot that he calls the father of arabs, is Ishmael who walked the street of Jerusalem with Abraham, 13 years before Isaac the grandfather of benjamin. say political rhetoric shimon perez produces. and we hear many rabbis lie outright like many muslim leaders. I guess the winner is the one that can shout the loudest, with the media and many nations cheering them on.

I do not believe one has to be an authority on human behavior or group thinking to find out the obvious pathology in Islamic Jew hatred. It is time for all of us to uncover and expose this atrocity against the Jewish people. We owe that to humanity and the truth.

is the hatred one sided? i guess the jews don't hate anyone, while everyone including the muslims are derogatorily call us gentiles and goyims as names. while the jews call themselves "jews" while we muslims do honor believers among then calling them believers [muslims, prophets, messengers], children of israel.

No true Muslim can see that such hatred is unbecoming and unholy for a world religion to focus on and that the credibility of Islam is tarnished by such hatred.

hateful jews abound and i believe the jews should do something about this evil cancer in their world religion. it is already unbecoming and unholy hatred based on many videos on youtube, including reping muslim women, abusing christians and insulting Jesus [as].

No Muslim is allowed to go far enough to self analyze or question why such hatred.

hatred is not allowed in Islam while dislike is normal in every society and thus allowed in Islam.

Muslims defend Jew hatred by claiming that Jews betrayed Muhammad and thus deserving of this kind of treatment.

if there is any hatred since this is your word of choice, it is mainly because the jews killed prophets and or disobey them as elects of God Who had helped the jews from exodus till they were sacked. Islam and Muhammad [sa] God has guaranteed to success. Islam didnt need jews and the battle of Huud is a testimony of it.

Even when I was a Muslim, I believed that the one sided story against Jews by Islam, was enough to justify all the killing, terror, lies and propaganda by Islamic leaders against Jews. To the average Muslim, routinely cursing Jews in mosques feels normal and even holy!

the writer needs to read the Bible and see what the jews say about arabs and youtube and others to see what the jews are doing to the palestinians coupled with the names and opinions they have of non jewish people. I think it is you who is slanted towards the jewish "history" without being neutral

After a lot of thinking, analysis, research and writing I discovered that Jew hatred in Islam is an essential foundation to the Islamic belief system that Muslims cannot seem to be able to rid themselves of. Jew hatred masks an existential problem in Islam.

please quote a verse that says hate jews, regardless of belief or disbelief. islam is head and shoulders over judaism. no muslim i jealous of jews.

Islam is terrified of the Jews and the number one enemy of Islam is the truth that must be constantly covered at any cost.

what could mae Islam be terrified of Jew, actually Judaism, unless you meant muslim and jew? Anyone who knows a thing about Islam will be satisfied and hope in security of God that will be uncovered from death onward.

It does not matter how many Muslim men women and children die in the process of saving Islam’s reputation.

Islam has a solid reputation. Reputation of muslim is another.

The number one duty of Muslims is to protect the reputation of Islam and Mohammad. But why would a religion burden its followers like that?

i am suspecting that the zionist are behind this guy: daniel Pipe and gang. Islam and Muhammad [sa] are doing just fine, thank you.

This is why:

When Mohammed embarked on his mission to spread Islam, his objective was to create a uniquely Arabian religion, one created by an Arab prophet, which reflected the Arabian values and culture.

arabian religion, when it is not essential that world religion be a tribal thing like judaism? arab prophets when prophet Salih, Hud and Shuaib [as] already existed? Anyone who knows Islam will tell you arab culture it is not. You can dress appropriately in your cultural clothing, eat your local food, and many others and the pagan culture of arabs is definitely destroyed by Islam, or are you saying the arabs used to make salah, and fast, pay zakat, make hajj, and believe in 1 God while no one else did from the bloodline of Abraham? I remember reading that Jesus of the cross said Ellah, instead of Jehovah or Yahweh.

Yet to obtain legitimacy, he had to link it to the two previous Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Christianity.

show me a like to judaism and or christianity, unless you will proof to me that Abraham is not the father of the tribe of Muhammad [as], that Abraham was a jew or a christian, that the prophets before Muhammad, like Moses and Jesus were Jews performing like the jews do perform today and christian performing like christians perform, today, respectively? I want to read it or them. The whole world wish you to see your proof[s], unless you are just writing garbage?

He expected the Jewish tribes who lived in Arabia to declare him their Messiah and thereby bring him more legitimacy with Arabs, especially with his own tribe in Mecca, the Quraish.

what was the reason for jews to set up outpost called yatrib in arabia, except that they were told in their book that the last prophet will be in this town, thinking that if they populated it, this prophet will be from them? This is the reason the jews never said he was a liar, but were jealous and evil enough to mount up effort to undermine as they tried with prophets from before from their bloodline. Jewish scholars in Madina, many became muslims and die for Islam in Battle of Huud. Do you know Abdullah Abdulsalaam [ra], a jewish scholar who died as a martyr?

Because his own tribe had rejected and ridiculed him, Mohammed needed the approval of the Jews, whom he called the people of the book. But the conversion of Jews to Islam was part of the scenario that Mohammed had to accomplish in order to prove to Meccans that they had made a mistake by rejecting him.

Islam is free for all to accept or reject. Read the Quran. Islam is not a tribal religion and was never and no one needed jews to accept Islam, because it served no special benefit. Incidentally, the victory over Makka was largely arab effort rather collective effort of the muslims of Madina. Allah,Alone is Enough for Muhammad [as]. And He supported Muhammad [sa] with believers and Angels to strengthen him. Who can rely on jews when Moses could not? Read about the order of how many daily salat, you will find what Musa [as] said.

That was one of the reasons Mohammed chose to migrate to Medina,

are you serious or daniel pipe paid you a mint to just write fable? was Muhammad [sa] invited or imposed himself on strangers, especially when he sent his companions [ra] to Ethiopia, earlier? Muhammad [sa] left with Abu Bakr [ra], and with all the muslims who already left Makka and settled in Madina, muslims were as a group a sitting duck for any group of fighters. It was almost a full 2 years in Madina before they were giving order to fight. A people running from his home because of oppression can easily be defeated by the residents of the place they are seeking refuge.

a town that had predominantly been settled by Jewish tribes and a few impoverished Arabs who lived around the Jews.

everything arab is bad in your eye. Arab had businesses in Makka and I wonder why you think there was no single arabs in Madina when the prophet arrived?

The Jews allowed Mohammed to move in.

Really?

At the beginning, the Koran of Mecca was full of appeals to the Jews, who were then described as “guidance and light” (5:44) and a “righteous” people (6:153–154), who “excelled the nations” (45:16).

relative to pagan egyptians, and pagan arab tribes. Let me support my statement with Roman defeat in the hands of the Persians. Then the impossible victory of the Romans later. Muslims wagered in favor of the Romans, because the roman were closer to Muslims, in belief than the pagans of Makka. Same scenario with the jews who were reminded of their victory by permission of Allah, over Pharaoh and pagan Egypt, now a true sat of Islam.

Allah commanded Muhammad [sa] of every word he uttered of the Quran, including when it seems from mere glance that it is against himself. I am sure a person who wished to curry such a favor fro the jew will not say something against himself that they can pick up and attack him with it. Or do you know if John who was beheaded said something against himself? How about Jesus? How about Moses? How about the father of the jews, Jacob? How about the first prophet of the jews, Joseph?

But when the Jews rejected the appeasement and refused to convert to Islam, Mohammed simply and literally flipped.

tell us when this great appeal or appeasement and when Muhammad [sa] flipped? We already know that charity begins at home. And religious charity is no different because like every prophet [as], the first invited by Muhammad [sa] was his family. And true prophetic fashion and purity of hearts, some accepted and some rejected. If he didn't offered appeasement and flipped when some rejected [uncles, etc], why will he flip when the jews rejected it? He must love his family than the jews? His beloved Uncle did not accept his religion, even though his son [ra] accepted immediately [i know shiyah has a different opinion and that i for another thread].

The Quran changed from love to threats and then pure hatred,

we can say the same for the Bible loving believers and hatred of the disbelievers.

cursing and commandments to kill Jews.

The biblical God cursed disbelievers and commanded killing them all.

Rejection by the Jews became an intolerable obsession with Mohammed.

if Pharaoh was a believer, do you think he would have been punished and lastly drowned? If the people Jericho were to have been believers, would they have been killed? Why do you think that at some point hostile enemy, disbelievers will not be curbed, even killed in war, or in treason/treacherous deeds?

Not only did the Jews reject him, but also their prosperity made Mohammed extremely envious

Muhammad [sa] was envious as Jesus and or Moses were? are you serious? Muhammad was a good merchant that died poor at the end because of his misson. But wait a minute, the makkans wanted to make him the wealthiest of them if he will stop his mission. He rejected it then, why will he be envious of wealth of strange tribe when he did not want that of his tribe which will definitely allowed him to remain in Makka?

The Jewish Arabian tribes earned their living from legitimate and successful business, but Mohammed earned his living and wealth through warfare, by attacking Arab tribes, some of whom were from his own tribe, and trade caravans and seizing their wealth and property.

thank God yo didnt say that he attached the jewish caravans. Why would Muhammad [sa] attac the caravan of those who wanted to make him the wealthiest among them, early, except there is another reason? The reason was the makkan forced the muslims to make hijra without their wealth which the arabs are now using for their own benefits and are not mindful that Muhammad and the muhajirin now in Madina will want to recover their wealth from the makkans.

That did not look good for a man who claimed to be a prophet of God.

what would you say about Moses, in this case concerning many killings, including animals and and cutting down trees?

The mere existence of the Jews made Mohammed look bad which led Mohammed to unspeakable slaughter, beheading of 600 to 900 Jewish men of one tribe, and taking their women and children as slaves.

the warrior Umar [ra] did not kill all the jews and or the christians when they conquered Jerusalem. How come? He had been tempered by the quality of the messenger, Muhammad [sa].

Mohammed had the first pick of the prettiest woman as his sex slave.

this better than keep all the virgins and kill the rest of the Bible.

All of this senseless slaughter of the Jews was elaborately documented in Islamic books on the life of Mohammed, not as something to be ashamed of, but as justified behavior against evil people.

the jews did worse to every pagan tribe they encountered until the settled in canaan. at least Muhammad [sa] did not kill anyone jut because he is a pagan or not muslim. when you wage war with one who God supported, you will lose if God wills it; the same reason little boy David [as] was able to kill evil big man Goliath.

One does not have to be a psychiatrist to see the obvious, that Mohammad was a tormented man after the massacre he orchestrated and forced his fighters to undertake, to empower and enrich himself and his religion.

if you are psychiatrist, you are a failure because Muhammad was not tormented man and he died as a poor man, when he could have remained a merchant without the mission of his Islam, or remained in Makka as their king, their leader, the wealthiest among them, the one with most women since each clan wanted to give him the best of their women as wife. The refusal of Muhammad [sa] worldly fringes shows that you don't know anything about "nothing". Islam of Muhammad [sa] succeeded because it is the Way God has chosen for man to truly obey Him in worship and guidance.

My proof: No prophet was a jew or christian. They were all muslims, the only reason Allah brought them all back on earth on the night of ascension so that all of them without exception along with Angel Gabriel to pray behind their leader, the last messenger [sa], the beloved of God, my leader, Muhammad bin Abdallah. The prayer was alt masjid Aqsa, and it is a mosque you can see with your own eyes, today. God has supported Muhammad [sa] and your feeble fable will no have any effect on hi success, even if you have supporters covering the numbers of all humans and jinns and others in the creation.

To reduce his torment, he needed everyone around him as well as future generations, to participate in the genocide against the Jews, the only people whom he could not control.

The jews? The only people he can not control, when Moses was able to control them? I hope you know that Moses put the jews to death after their pagan episode of the golden calf? What name did they called that god of theirs? God let them wandered around so that anyone who was of age, say 40 years old at the event of golden calf perished in the wilderness.

If Muhammad [sa] was as vicious as you made him, if the prayer of Noah could wiped off the whole of disbelieving man in his time, how difficult would it be for God to answer Muhammad request of dealing with the Jews? We see that Muhammad, contrary to your statement was a first class prophet, full of compassion, so much so that God described him in the most excellent way of human mercy and compassion: 9:128: There has certainly come to you a Messenger from among yourselves. Grievous to him is what you suffer; [he is] concerned over you and to the believers is kind and merciful.

9:129: But if they turn away, [O Muhammad], say, "Sufficient for me is Allah ; there is no deity except Him. On Him I have relied, and He is the Lord of the Great Throne."

An enormous number of verses in the Koran encouraged Mohammed’s fighters to fight, kill and curse Muslim fighters who wanted to escape fighting and killing Jews.

The battles of Badr and Huud were fought between Muslims, the first battle, the madinan were excused, if they chose. You will not talk about that because the arabs of makka who were disbelievers in Muhammad [sa] like the jews of madina are not humans. Its only the jews of madina that has the right of being disbelievers, treacherous and must be left alone. Did any prophet of God leave disbelievers alone after order had came that the prophet [as] fight them? Tell me about the order on the city of Jericho.

The Quran is full of promises of all kinds of pleasure in heaven to those who followed Mohammed’s killing spree and curses and condemnation to those who chose to escape from fighting. Muslims were encouraged to feel no hesitation or guilt for the genocide because it was not they who did it, but “Allah’s hand” was behind the killing.

Just like the hand of Jehovah or Yahweh [your choice of name]. Jesus promised 100 wives for every wife a man left for his sake. Moses gave virgins freely, from the pagan nations he fought. Pleasure in heaven? Yea. I wonder why the sons of God came to earth to co-habitat with the daughters of men to produce the giants of old? I wonder what Eve was to Adam before they ate the Biblical apple story?

Mohammed never got over his anger, humiliation, and rejection by “the people of the book” and went to his grave tormented and obsessed that some Jews are still alive.

I hope whoever paid you paid you plenty because you need a lot of cash for these lies. A honored messenger of God is never humiliated by the hands of man, the reason we say Jesus didnt die a cursed man. Muhammad [sa] was not humiliated. No amount of your lionization of the jews will matter, because God has confirmed the position of Muhammad [sa] over man, including the jews.

At his deathbed Mohammed entrusted Muslims to kill Jews wherever they found them, which made this a “holy commandment” that no Muslim can reject.

show us the hadith and reason that the muslims didn't do that right away in Madina, when the commandment was freshest and the muslims had the advantage of size and power? Are you serious that you threw all form of shameless to lie this hard?

Muslims who wrote Sharia, understood how Mohammed was extremely sensitive to criticism and that is why criticizing Mohammed became the highest crime in Islam that will never be forgiven even if the offender repents.

Criticism in the Quran: "He [Muhammad [sa]] frowned!" Muhammad got contrived right away. He did not give excuses and showed love toward the blind man [ra]. He made him a governor and said always when he saw the man "through him my Lord remembered me [word similar with same meaning]".

Mohammed’s message on his deathbed was not for his followers to strive for holiness, peace, goodness, and to treat their neighbors as themselves, but a commandment for Muslims to continue the killing and the genocide against the Jews.

only if you could copy the evidence and let us read it. I will copy the contrary from Quran and Hadith, to expose you.

Killing thus became a holy act of obedience to Mohammed and Allah himself. Mohammed portrayed himself as a victim of Jews and Muslims must avenge him till judgment day. With all Arab power, money and influence around the world today they still thrive at portraying themselves as victims. Sharia also codified into law the duty of every Muslim to defend Mohammed’s honor and Islam with their blood and allowed the violation of many commandments if it is for the benefit of defending Islam and Mohammed.

this reminds me of jews, themselves, while it is a lie against Islam and Muhammad [sa]. I actually looked at the name of the author and recognized her as an egyptian ex-patriot. She reminds of tyrannic pharaoh for her lies and self hatred. I know she is not a muslim. but heck she hates all arabs, too. Is she going to pass for other group except egyptian arab, the blood in her veins?

Thus Muslims are carrying a huge burden, a holy burden, to defend Mohammed with their blood and in doing so they are allowed to kill, lie, cheat, slander etc.

muslims dont have any burden. maybe arabs. maybe since there are so much of them who hate themselves like the author and when they are muslims hate muslims because they are chronic nationalists.

Mohammed must have felt deep and extreme shame after what he had done to the Jews and thus a very good reason had to be found to explain away his genocide. Thus by commanding Muslims to continue the genocide for him, even after his death, Mohammad expanded the shame to cover all Muslims and Islam itself. All Muslims were commanded to follow Mohammed’s example and chase the Jews wherever they went. One hundred years after Mohammed’s death, Arabs occupied Jerusalem, and built Al Aqsa mosque right on top of the Jewish Temple ruins, the holiest spot of the Jews. Muslims thought they erased all memory of Jewish existence.

the land belongs to God Who created it and places of Him have the highest priority. I think this writer is jew happy and she can't get enough of them. She may need to move to Tel Aviv to satisfy her appetite, I think she forgot that Jews are coming to islam and live in some of the so called Islamic countries: morocco, iran, etc. Who has chased them?

Mohammed’s genocide of the Jews of Arabia became an unholy dark mark of shame in Islamic history, and that shame, envy, and anger continues to get the best of Muslims today. In the eyes of Mohammed and Muslims, the mere existence of the Jewish people, let alone an entire Jewish state, de-legitimizes Islam and makes Mohammed look more like a mass murderer than a prophet. For Muslims to make peace with Jews and acknowledge that Jews are humans who deserve the same rights as everyone else would have a devastating effect on how Muslims view their religion, their history and the actions of their prophet.

in nigeria, the effigy of jew is a common thing in easter. palestinians did not pay attention to jews as a threat until zionism was born. and from among the palestinians we have christians and even jews. how is Islam responsible for something muslims did not start? Islam is at least 20% of world population. Do they really want to fight 2% or less of world population? It would have been a cake walk.

Islam has a major existential problem. By no will of their own, the Jews found themselves in the middle of this Islamic dilemma. Islam must justify the genocide that Mohammad waged against the Jews. Mohammad and Muslims had two choices: either the Jews are evil sub-humans, apes, pigs, and enemies of Allah, a common description of Jews still heard regularly in Middle Eastern mosques today, or Mohammad was a genocidal warlord and not fit to be a prophet of God, a choice that would mean the end of Islam.

how about a third option: Muhammad [sa] was the last prophet given the final and everlasting process that is applicable till the end of time and some jews for their evils of breaking the sabbath in the coastal towns were turned to pigs and apes? Allah also punished disbelieving arab and they were called evil doers and hypocrites for their deceit?

You see Allah is a Just Ruler and Muhammad [sa] was the best carrier of the message of God, so much so that Muhammad [sa] said if it were so that my beloved daughter Fatimah [ra] were to commit punishable offense like "stealing", her hand would have been cut because there would not be any justification for her to deprive the owner of the good the good. Umar [ra] was reported to have flogged his son who committed fornication 100 lashes even though he died when he received only 80 lashes. The remaining 20 was completed because it was 100 lashes not until he died.

Then and now, Mohammad and Muslims clearly chose the first worldview and decreed that any hint of the second must be severely punished. Jews must remain eternally evil enemies of Islam, if Islam is to remain legitimate. There is no third solution to save the core of Islam from collapsing; either Mohammed was evil, or the Jews were evil. Any attempt to forgive, humanize, or live peacefully with Jews is considered treason against Islam.
How can Muslims forgive the Jews and then go back to their mosques, only to read their prophet’s words, telling them they must kill Jews wherever they find them? It does not add up, if someone wants to remain Muslim.

disbelief is evil and Yahweh of Moses punished them because of disbelief. Jehovah of Paul built lake of fire waiting for them for disbelief. Prophets are not evil because God always chose the best to carry His Message. The disbelievers are evil. The christians feel this way,too. So do the jews.

That is why, the number one enemy of Islam is, and must remain, the truth.

Truth that is truth or truth is lies? Which is truth: the jews say Sarah demanded from God that Abraham send Hagar out of the house with an innocent boy that God Himself named. Yet, the Muslims under Muhammad [sa] was commanded that they can name their daughter after her, because the muslim views her as woman who didnt do such a thing, but devoted to God in way Abraham told her.

Muslims say Ishmael and her mother were taken to harsh land makka as a test of obedience of Abraham, and to establish a new home for Abraham who returned and kept relation with the little boy. First child i always the first child, whereas jews say that in case of Isaac as second child, he was the only child, even though his big brother remained alive and in good relation with their father. Is this rational?

If the truth exposes Islam’s unjustified Jew hatred, Muslims will be left with an empty shell of a religion, a religion whose prophet was a murderer, a thief and a warlord; without Jew hatred Islam would self-destruct.

jew or no jew, Islam will exist the end and no believer on earth.

Nonie Darwish is the author of The Devil We Don’t Know.

this afternoon, i received a call from an egyptian older friend in sydney australia asking me to safeguard his interest in a matter that another egyptian is involved in. i said to the man in australia, i left everything in the care of the egyptian in egypt. he told me that he will hold me responsible to safeguard his interest anyhow. He said he does not trust the egyptians when it comes to tangibles because the muslims among them often will behave like a christian. i was shocked and it dawned on me as i realize the author is an egyptian lady.

she was a daughter of a late military officee raised by a widowed mother. well, she turned to money and sold her soul to the highest bidder with plenty of jewish shekels. i wonder how much shekels did the trick?

@israelben-zion:

by israel ben-zion: 9:04pm On Aug 05
If u remember well, d first enmity started with Ishmael, whom d Muslims call Ismail. Because his own mother was sent away by Isaac

even this jewish perspective of how Abraham had two separate families, you can not get straight. you should go back to your torah or get somebody who is half decent in jewish fable so that the age cap between Ishmael and little Isaac is at least 13 years. How Isaac managed to send Hagar away when Ishmael was little is mind bugling. Whichever Yeshiva you attended should be made to a receptacle.

who was declared d child of d promise,

no one declare Isaac a child of promise of Ishmael. No one. My proof: God of Abraham Himself named Ishmael. Abraham loved Ishmael till his death. How is it possible that the child named by God be overlooked by the same God for the child He did not care to name? Since Abraham is the personal Friend of God, God must have leaned towards the desire of Abraham rather than the desire of anyone in the house of Abraham. Think about it before you respond.

his descendants became sworn enemies wit d Jews of old.

Which descendant? name all the descendants so that we can see how they are sworn enemy of the jews, while descendants of Esau, the other son of Isaac was not. I hope you you will maintain a good discussion with here?

History even suggests that Ishmael is d father of d Arabs and other non-Jewish Semites.

the children of Esau are semites, too. Are they in love with the children of Jacob who stole his birth right {blessings fro his father}? The worst ind of wives, if I look at the Bible were Sarah of Abraham and Sarah of Isaac. And the worst kind of brothers were Jacob and the children of Jacob. Thank God that I am a muslim and do not subscribe to the Bible. If I did, I may not want to take these names for any child.

The second time d enmity crystalized was between Jacob(Israel himself) and Esau, d father of d Edomites.

Is Esau not from both Isaac and Rebecca? Esau is now child of Ishmael, instead of Isaac?

Their wars and enmity was recorded in d Bible. And till date, all those who might have descended from that bloodline still carry on with the avowed hatred of d Jews.

no muslim hates the children of Isaac, Jacob and Esau. No muslim hates the children of Jacob. No muslims hate jews except there is dislike for zionism. From the jews, we have muslims and muslims do not hate muslim because of his ethnicity. From among the children of Jacob we have prophet Joseph, Moses, Aron, Joshua, Elijah, Elisha, Job, David, Solomon, Zacharia, John, Jesus and others [may the peace and bless of God remain on then. See, I am a muslim and I do not hate them]. Yet I will curse Abu Lahab [lanatullah]. Abu lahab was an uncle of the Messenger [sa to the messenger].

But more importantly, it is d Devil's own way of instigating hatred against the race that produced Jesus Christ, his eternal nemesis.

Muhammad [sa] and Jesus and other prophets, including those before Abraham [as], specifically {Salih, Hud, Shuaib [as]] are love beloved to God. From Ishmael came Muhammad [sa] who God gave the last revelation and made his the leader of all previous prophets. You must have seen the masjid aqsa in Jerusalem? There is an event called Isra wa Miraj. Go read upon it. Muhammad [sa] is the leader of mankind and the first to be entered to Paradise. He will be the one to intercede before God for believers.

More so, the Devil seeks to destroy the race closest to God's heart bcause of d great love God has for them

I hope you do realize that God is relation/covenant wherein He is the Only One doing His part? If the other does not do his part, God will cancel the relationship. Lets start fro Abraham to make my point. The covenant with Abraham would not have held if for example Abraham did not ratify it with the circumcision that was the its sign. It is the obedience of Abraham to God that kept the covenant alive. God promised to allow the covenant to cover the household of Abraham Ishmael and Isaac bloodlines were supposed to be covered, if they maintain the essence of the covenant, including the circumcision. What do you think will happen to the house of Ishmael, while you are thinking the house of Isaac, indeed in the line of Jacob will continue to be covered in the covenant? Before i come back to the condition of Ishmael, let me touch the "Jacob covenant". Are you suggesting that only the children of Jacob will have spiritual connection to God Who created all? Now, what do you think the content of the "I will bless Ishmael, says God to Abraham", from the OT? You think crude oil is enough and just to be millions of people will justify blessing from God on a child He personally named, the first son and only son of His Personal Friend? You think Sarah will be allowed to override the love of the heart of Abraham who God personally named?

I propose that the spirituality of Ishmael is impeccable and Abraham loved and maintain relationship him until Abraham passed away. Go to your Bible and see who were at the burial of Abraham. I know the story has a jewish slant. Thats not my issue here. My issue is that God never abandon the descendants of Ishmael because they are not from Isaac. After all, the descendant of Isaac, indeed the line of Jacob, the jews suffered plenty from egypt to many wars and more than one summary sack and enslavement in the hands of others: Romans who are white europeans, parsians who are not ethnically arabs.


While the jews were suffering around the globe, the makkans were in peace from the outside, without anyone coming to enslave them. They excel in oratory issues and business. The jews lost the authentic language and the Books revealed in these languages. OT had to be collect and the tribal bigotry was introduced against Ishmael and his bloodline. One wonders if Ishmael was not in contact with Abraham, Isaac and knew his nephew Jacob, how did the jews know about Ishmael at all, regardless of their bias? If a person was not remembering you wipe him off your family history.
The NT didnt fair better since what the christian has is now from greek, especially when no everyone in these 12 nations of Israelite tribes spoke greek. Nigeria speaks english, but i will be shocked if a message to the hausas by hausa speaker is delivered in english. it will not happen.

All this is enuf to arouse jealousy in their neighbours.

no one is jealous about the jews who killed prophets of God and by and large abandon guidance of God. While judaism was cancelled by christendom, why would muslim have any jealousy at such a stiff necked person? Below is a video of some jew praying in the way they were told by Moses. But they refused to accept Jesus when he came to remind them of the truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P8vcHpvcbY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNxLF0ILFgw

And they wud also seek to destroy d Jews so that God's words concrning them will not b fulfilled.
But of course they can't. Never!

why will muslim try to destroy jewish muslim?
and what word is concerning the jew that must be fulfilled? please share that with us.

The jews as a religious have lost out the "exclusive right" of spirituality. There is only old time "chosen people", which is long abandoned. God looks at the God consciousness of every individual, not group. Below is a video of a jewish rabbi saying Islam is the way to go, while he still remain a jew.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45iGunX0rXs

i may not like rabbi lapis, i think you must hear was he said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdsVGoGbbqI&feature=related

here is another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN0YbC0BJ8g&feature=related

Here is what glen beck says:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3sjnUecWqY&feature=related


You can lie to the blinds, deaf, dumb. We in Islam rely on God, Alone.

@Ileke idi: advise them to avoid dust bowl by planting vegetation [grass[es] and trees local to ekiti].
landscape left bare is unattractive and kills the built of whats on it.
africa should develop a good property maintenance spirit.

@ sirniyeh and rhymz:

by rhymz(m): 8:22pm On Aug 05

Sirniyeh: Sweetnecta
What does religion has to do with issue of God's authenticity? Whether I am a muslim or not should not be a barrer to define God. It will even be an advantage for you to establish your religion by describing the God you worship. Inability to do that indicates that you serve the God you dont understand!
A pry two child will tell you God is the creator. A pry six will say God is a spirit. A class three will tell you God is the originator of human life. SS 3 student will say God is the source of all possibility. An undergraduate of psychology said God is the embodiment of human thought. A PHD holder said God is the neutron in human brain.
A professor said every human being is a God.
Who is correct among all?

And I say God is man's mental creation to answer to answer questions that expose the limitations of his knowledge.
It only exist in the figment of his imagination, he exists in the mind of those that believe he does and does not exist in the mind of those that do not believe. That's why he can neither be proved nor disproved.
I like to pretend like he does just to get all these indoctrinated averages off my back but in my solitude, I blieve he does not exist.

and it is heart, in your case, solitude that God uses to classify. you can pretend that there is no forest when you are in the jungle with tall trees for miles. you can say there is no God because a ph.d. holder says God is the neutron in the brain. but the reality is that complicated question may have the most simple answer. since you can't see God, some conclude He does not exist. human cant even see air, but can only feels it as wind and sees the particles the wind carries. shouldn't God be even more powerful and more invisible than the air He created?. God is therefore above whatever can be imagined. no one can capture the essence of God in totality. Hence, God cant be seen by the living. But he can feel God.

God is the One that make the mechanics of hunger, sleep, tiredness, need to use the toilet, etc in your body. and they come alive to affect you as they often do. and God has designed you with weaknesses. If you are in a state of chaos, calamity or discomfort enough to be vulnerable, you will call on to Him, involuntarily. God is the One Who can relieve. He can make you not to wake up in time. or not wake up at all until He recreates you. He can make sleep leave your body until one will be viewed as somebody possessed. You cant prevent His decision on you such as punishment or ease.

Where is God? I am pointing upward. All the way above the heavens. Alone. Full of Power and Able to do what He Wills.

@Khan2012:

by khan2012: 6:40pm

Faraidi: you are truely a bastard and a lost soul

Pls my questions are still pending, i need a Muslim's answer like you.


I have been reading this thread and dont seem to get the fight over supremacy of one religion over another. I'm not interested in the supremacy of one religion over another, I I'm only interested in the fundamental human rights of every individual to worship any God or god they so desire without threat to their life by others. I therefore wish to direct my question more to my Muslim brethrens especially the likes of @Sweetnecta, @Wizeboy etc,
1. Why is it that it is Islam that is highly intolerant of people freely converting to other religions and can go to the extent of issuing fatwa on converts or so called blasphemers

Islam allows people to leave it: "O those who believe, do believe in Allah and His Messenger and in the Book He has revealed to His Messenger and in the Books He has revealed earlier. And whoever disbelieves in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and the Last Day has indeed gone far astray. [136]

Surely, those who believed and then disbelieved, believed again and then disbelieved, then went on increasing in their disbelief - Allah is not to forgive thein nor lead them on the path."[137] (4:136-137)

even honour killings by family member?

honor killing is cultural and not religious. islam does not permit it. islam does not advocate it. i know igbos who are angry that i am married to igbo. they wish my spouse leave the union. some of them may actually kill if my spouse is not a person of substance. the same applies to yorubas. or any group for that matter.

I have not seen any so called Christian country killing or sending a Christian who converts to any other religion to jail,

i there a christian country? some thread about polish people hating muslims in poland so much so that they can kill the muslims without thinking about it. Imam jamil alamin of georgia state, usa is in prison and people felt that the case against him happened at the wrong time of history; after 911 and he looked like bin laden with the same thin stringy and long face.

but one dare not leave Islam for any other religion in those Muslim countries.

while "those muslim countries" you have in mind are going about it wrong, so are the christian igbos on nairaland about this thread. whats the difference? behind the close door, who know what igbo chritian community will do to muslim igbo?

Religion should be by choice, isn't it or are Muslims afraid of loosing members that they have to resort to using fear to keep followership?

refer to the verses, about. are the christian igbos afraid the muslims igbos may actually diminish the rank of the christians by good behavior?

2. Why is it that Muslims always find it hard to co-habit with people of other religions,

yoruba land, muslim and christian communities exist.

they come in settle quietly, but over time, when they grow in number, they begin to cause violent activities? E.g in Burma, in India, Russia and so on. (You may want to justify this one).

black america fought for its right when its population became large enough to influence the effort. south african blacks started their effort to let the world pay attention to them over apartheid when they are having many doctors and lawyers, and other professionals. every minority wants equality as they see injustice upon them as evil and oppressive.

Though i always say that 'if every muslim can be like the yoruba muslims,

try senegal. its next door. really. and the muslims in ethiopia, though majority are being killed by the christians. how about that? evil is evil regardless of which group commit it.

there will be relative peace in the world'. In yoruba family, you can find an Immam father and a pastor son and they co-habit peacefully, but same cannot be said of northerners or arab muslims where it seems intolerance is the order of the day as well as indoctrination even from childhood.

do you count the igbo christians aong the fanatics?

3. Why do Muslims always hide under the guise of Islam to term the western world Christians and therefore declare Jihad on non-muslims? Cos the truth is that the fact that former President Bush is a Christian or America and Britain Christian dominated countries does not mean that they are fighting terrorists in the name of Christianity or any other religion.

the opinion about bush is yours. bush said crusade. thats what his people started out as; crusaders. continue to sugarcoat everything for christianity without facing reality.

So why does Muslims always incite hatred against Christians when world leaders take political decisions?

you must be local? every group wants freedom for itself and even dominate others. christians are exactly like that the reason you see igbo christians shunning igbo mulims. the christians have been very successful in dividing the muslims. the office of the kalifah has not been restored because you have some big shots muslims who do not want to be subjected to the kalifah.

4. Agreed that violence is not only limited to Islam, but what I see everyday points to the fact that Islam is akin to violence.

there is no violence in islam, but there are violent muslims. nowhere in the uran you can wipe people off the map including animals and trees.Look into your Bible where Jesus was the God of the OT and see what he was before he became mild.

Dont get me wrong, i have a lot of Muslim friends and they surely are peaceful, but it seems there is an aspect of Islamic teaching to which when twisted tend to turn people violent and intolerant of other religions.

twisting can be applied to get your result. reality is whats important. while islam make people mild[er], the same cant be said about christianity where war is total war until the opponent is vanguished. Thank God that you didnt say you are the peaceful one and your muslim friends are the violent ones.

5. Finally, I know that there are extremests in different religions, but why is it that Islam tend to be the religion with most violence and intolerant of other religions. E.g, Moslems are allowed to practice their religion in the western and non-muslim world to a great extent,

great extent, you said. but there are muslim citizens in these so called non muslim countries. they pay taxes and serve in the defense of the countries. you tend to think islam is foreign to the west or the so called non muslim countries. it is not so.

but same cannot be said of Muslim countries allowing freedom of other religions in Muslim dominated countries.

the rule of islam does not dominate or the ruling tool of the places you tag muslim countries. and christians are free to worship in senegal. do you now that?

Instead they resort to calling non-muslims condescending names like pigs and people of the book.

the word infidel was coined by christians so that it can be used in identifying muslims. jews call non jews goyims, gentiles. you tend to be doing a bad job in the bidding for your religion. you need to research some so that muslims are not all perfect. but they need to improve so do all others, including christians.

Non-muslims are not allowed to practice freely in muslim dominated countries and are always under constant threat both by the masses and government. Non-muslims are highly marginalized.

try israel. then come back and tell us. try the vatican. try china. try ethiopia where it is fashionable to kill muslims.

@Faraidi and @ Vemmawealth:

by vemmawealth(f): 8:40pm

Faraidi: you are truely a bastard and a lost soul


Who is a bastard between you and me? You are the son/daughter of belial, the condemned and the banished to hell. You cant miss hell except you repent. Sura 19:71-72. LOL

please stop this caustic statements towards each other. neither one of you knows anything about each other to make such a statement and if you know, it is indecent to reveal such a secret which the one you are using it against has no real influence in the action.

and vemmawealth, the verse you quoted speaks of mankind in general, specifically it affects the non muslims and only hypocrites and hard criminals among muslims will suffer this. But there is no escaping for non muslims, based on this verse. so don't quote it to ridicule muslims because it is on non muslims that it is most effective.

@ Sisi_kill:

by avalontony(m): 10:04pm

Sisi_Kill:
Two words - I believe in that. cheesy

So does this make you the savior since you were the one the Unicorn chose to appear to?

so u mean say na unicorn d man see? hahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha. naija ppl no go kill me o!!!!!

the bold is more than 2 words. its actually 4. count them, again.

@avalontony:

by avalontony(m): 9:56pm


how can i trade what JESUS did for me on calvary for anything? i can never bow to islam and my generation will never bow to islam in jesus name amen!!

no one place Jesus said he will do something for you at calvary or another place. no place, no verse, no nothing. if you find it, show it to me. you said it for Jesus, or maybe you heard it because Paul said it for Jesus and you accept it without investigating it thoroughly and arrive at the right conclusion.

no one bows to islam. no one. but we muslims bow to God in the way and manner of Islam. and when we say you worship Jesus and his God, you set upset that we say you that you say that there are more than One God, based on your trinity.

@Chimsky:

by CHIMSKY(m): 6:41pm
Sweetnecta,if you check the history of the civil war you will realise that Gowon was merely a pawn in the hands of the northern moslem power elite.Even Gen T.Y. Danjuma and other Christian middle belt officers who fought on the Federal side were mere tools.Now they know better.
Islam has an image problem.In Nigeria,it is seen as the religion of the oppressor.Christians will let you live in peace and practise whatever faith you profess,but moslems will insist that you convert by force!

I was alive during the war. I was already for high school, so they might have told you the story, in history books: i lived it, in high school closer to igboland than lagos. All the christian elites who fought in the war, including late ojukwu, if they were truly christians, they should have fought the northern islam elites, will you thing it is the better situation? today, gowon aligns himself with christians, when it comes to religion and aligns himself with the north when it comes to region.

the war was a war of region and not religion. all strategies are fair in war is what christian igbos used against nigeria that its placard was northern islam. but we are now talking about religion and to deny the igbos the benefit of islam, no one has the right to do that. igboland used to be traditionalist before it is christianity. first it was catholic. then you now have protestants.

who says igbos and can not be muslims? we even have jewish muslims. palestinian/arab jews.

my spouse is igbo and muslim. my father of my nieces is an igbo. i wonder how everybody is thinking islam can not be igbo's own religion if roman catholic is for the most part, today.

@Vemmawealth:

by vemmawealth(f): 4:56pm On Aug 04

Sweetnecta: @ Vemmawealth: since Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, etc including were not Christians and their way was not Christianity, what is their fate based on the bold? Heck, the non christian man Jesus said many will be shunned by him. he was not talking about the muslims, you know, but those calling themselves christians. How is Christianity the true and acceptable way of living by God when Jesus did not live like that and there is no statement of approval of christianity by God in the whole Bible? if you have Jesus living like christians and or God approval of the living lifestyle of christians, show them or it. mere statement that has no factual support is meaningless; it is jaw jocking.


My answers will be short. Ask God for understanding.

so you believe in something that you can not articulate and you want me to blindly go to God for the answer? Hindu will say exactly the same thing. none of the men listed here was a christian and none followed the way of christ: Noah, Abraham, Adam, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aron, Joshua, Elias, Elijah, Job, Zacharia and John. I guess they were on the way you say God did not approve.

Christianity is not a religion but a way of life.

So All the listed men about missed the way of life, hence they only have religion. If they succeed, religion like Islam will succeed. If they perish, since Jesus fulfilled the book of the prophets, these men, where do you think you are standing considering that you reject their religion?

Men could not meet the expectation of God.

All the men listed above met expectation of God, the reason from among them you have the Personal Friend of God, Abraham. And you do not have a friend unless you approve of his lifestyle. Moses was speech of God and your Bible agreed that God spoke to him, directly. How are you justifying that no man received the Pleasure of God?

So he sent Jesus to be an example to all men.

John was a better example from your Bible, even from the tongue of Jesus. While Jesus was accused, it was jealousy against John that brought his tragic end.

Christianity is derived from his name CHRISTianity. It simply means living like Christ.

Have you lived like Jesus? Tell me how you worship God and i will tell you how Jesus worshiped God.

Its impossible that Abraham that was called by God in Genesis 12:1 will be living like Jesus he never met.

so your theory should hold through; it is therefore impossible for you to live like Jesus who you never met. It is impossible that Paul lived like Jesus who he never met. Therefore both of you say you are christians will not be in truth. Christianity therefore died with those who met Jesus.

Sweetnecta: Let me tell you what the jews will say about your trinity; you claim it is Jehovah. the jews believe you have jehovah. i think it is jehovah, too. this is the reason you say Halleluyah, which does not resemble neither Jehovah nor Yahweh, but Allah in Syriac; Ellah. And Jesus did not say Jehovah or Yahweh on the cross [i dont believe the biblical account], but said Ellah so much so that the people thought he said Elias. Get a bible and learn before you through yourself headlong into Islamiic and Arabic discussion, that is so much way over your head.


Read Exodus 6:3, Is 12:2, 26:4, Ps 83:18 to see the name of God.

while you had claimed that you are christlike in lifestyle, christ of the cross said Ellah is the Name of his God. Are you disagreeing with Jesus or what? You see why I said you guys are not truly chrstlike?

You said a lot of things but they are not clear enough as I didn't get d point u are trying to make

I am not the first muslim to not make a point with non muslims. Same thing was said about the messenger [sa] in Makka, even though the pagans will listen to Quran at night, eavesdropping behind the door. Enemies of Islam are the same. You have provided Arabic word for "The God", "god", the sentence "there is no god but God/The God". You try not to be a parrot. Make personal effort to research Islam. It is not a boko haram thing. It is not a hausa/fulani thing. It is not a nigerian thing. It is not a west african thing. It is not an african thing. It is not even only a human thing. It is a thing that will get you to the first base will The God, if it is He you sincerely want to worship.

the^^^^^^^^^^ three posts that one of them said he is a student of nairaland want God to be defined in few sentences and that will be it, considering that I take God, as a muslim would, saying that God is absolute and has created and is controlling all things. How is this possible to acquiesce your demand, seeing that none of you is a muslim?

^^^ In a trillion years, your real mind will never be able to provide any satisfaction of your 3 persons of 1 God. Soul and spirit and body as your means of illustration? Why not throw in mind or heart into the mix?

A muslim scholar chimed, which keeps the other up and alive; soul or body? We know when the soul leaves the body, the body is dead, lifeless. We can see the body, living or dead because it is physical. We can not see the soul because it is not physical but spiritual. From this we see that soul is spirit and it is erroneous to say soul is different from spirit and therefore say that man is body, soul and spirit.

The perfect God does punish, the reason there is an horrific destination for evildoers, except if God decided to pardon them. And when God said to Moses that He is "I AM" he didnt say He was Yahweh, Jehovah and when Jesus mentioned the proper Name of God, it was not "I AM, Yahweh, Jehovah" but Ellah.

God did not create man in His Image because you do not know what God looks like, considering that nothing of man has God and nothing of God has man. But God created the man Adam in the absolute image of Adam: grown man from the get go and we know that children change in looks and personality as they grow from infant to adulthood. It is in adulthood that the image, in less drastic in its changes, if it ever continues.

The man Jesus worshiped God in physical sense. I guess Jesus was wrong in your viewpoint in the same way the muslims are wrong in their physical worship. But muslims in their obedience do worship both physically and the spiritual part is 24 hours a day for the prophets of God and same for us if we do not ire. Obedience in God consciousness is what is most important and the reason spirituality and physicality of worship are based on what God Commands.

If I say I want a particular meal. If some different meal is prepared and placed before me, I will not be satisfied with the cook and the meal and regardless of the effort and intention, the reality is that the doer of this action and the action are not following an not according to my specification.