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^ I am not afraid of death. I am concern about my destiny, if I have done enough since I do not merit anything.

I am sure that Igbagbo will not be faith to every yoruba person.

So that you know, I do not get bugged down with whatever anyone does with his life. As i remind you, I also remind myself.

I never said you were never a muslim. But to say Allahu Akbar is authentically the last word/expression of muslims gives me the window that your knowledge of Islam is not really sound: The messenger [sa] says whosoever says Laa ilaha ilAllah as his last word will definitely enter Jannah.


There is no place that Allahu Akbar should be the last statement. So when every muslim goes to bed he/she says Laa ilaha ilAllah.


Actually, I will love to meet you in 9ja and go to your home and break the news to your parents. What do you say?

@Mee234:

by Mee234: 5:03pm
@ sweetnecta: If u show me the verse,I will apreciate it. But it will not be enough to join islam.

You are not seeking guidance. When you are, I will go the extra mile.

I have I know verses too that expressly commend muslim to figth ''them'' until they believe in none but allah and his messenger.

who are the "THEM"? I really wanna see if you pay attention when you read in english what the writer thinks is the meaning of the Quranic verse.

And there is no verse in the bible that say God is a man that dead.

Oh yeah? You have to deny Jesus as a christian God and not a dead man on the cross by the time I am true with you.

Any way, not to derail the topic. The hadith need to be support by the quran to make it authentic?

Yes because comes under Quran and can never disagree with Quran and still be a true hadith. Thats just part of authenticating hadith.

So which one is real and which one is not. I have a couple of hadith

google to ask how does one know an authentic hadith.

@Nimshi:

by Nimshi: 1:17pm
The challenge for Muslims could be one of many:

1) there're many other sources for Islamic teachings other than the Quran

2) these other sources, including the hadith, and more important, the Sunna, are quite varied, chaotic, and many times unreliable

3) many Muslims just give up, and would rather listen to rousing speeches by Imam or the rector at the local mosque

4) Imams/local mosque rectors are not immune to itme #2)

5) victims of the rote learning of the Quran: being able to quote the Quran in Arabic is usually perceived by other Muslims as sign of high learning; but this is almost completely useless for engaging in discussions where you're not working the crowd

6) it must be admitted: even the Quran isn't an easy book to read: the accounts are not arranged chronoligically, and it is frankly usually a boring read

7) er, hmnn . . . some of the practices are downright nasty and difficult to support (niqab, death for any number of minor infractions, mutilations, hatred for a certain pet animal . . . etc etc). At least Christianity has Jesus, who to some extent reformed the Jewish tribal god, Yahweh; Islam has no equivalent of that; this is a big problem . . .

8') and, well, there's that thing with Sunni & Shia muslims; if the questioner knows about it, then it's already too much of a problem . . .

9) many of the Muslims here are lazy; not ready to do the hard work, and not ready to mount a robust defence of their favourite middle eastern religion

of course, there're certainly many more

I any of the above a proof that Islam is not 100% from God? Do you believe in God and that He has revealed a pattern, a religion not religions for man in a Book?

Now: It's surprising that 'cousin marriage' couldn't be discussed/defended . . . Ref #9, perhaps

I discussed it and continue to. I don't find anything wrong with it for those who do it. I dont because I am a hawk, not shy and never been intimidated by woman. I dont like turkey or lamb. But its permissible so I dont find it wrong for those who eat them.

@Macdaddy01;

by MacDaddy01: 5:23am
Have you noticed that when you debate with christians, they use their bibles and church doctrines to argue?

Excluding OT, the full NT where it negates their church doctrines, Truth and Jesus and opted for Paul.

The focus of the argument mainly stays on christianity.

Dogma does has its fault that the one in it does not see; ignorance so that is not always any truth in it except blind belief. For example the Bible says in OT God is 1. Jesus is said to have declared God is his Master and God is 1. God on the lips of Jesus is Ellah so much so that the jews said he was calling Elias, so God on the lips of Jesus was not me, holy spirit, Yahweh, Jehovah or I AM. same Jesus was slave of Ellah according to his disciples is now God himself according to latter day saint Paul who Bamboozled the people to accept, unwillingly since Jesus said they were "oh you of little faith" even toward the end of his ministry. Think. I know you are an atheist.

Try this with muslims here on Nairaland, and the muslims will bring up negative things christianity and judaism. This baffles me as an atheist. What kind of logic is this? When pushed to the wall with reasonable arguments, one would rush to say "but christians did it too"

You are so naive in the bold. Reasonable argument should have convinced you if you have a sound mind. Saying Christianity or earlier group, Judaism did this or that too is to point to you that even with their warped belief, there are somethings that we share as people of faith.

This tactic weakens me and betrays a conscious disingenuity on the part of the NL muslims that do this.

Here you are darn Godless and mindless heartless person complaining that we have to compromise with you. You look around and in the bible and coming to Quran you see that Muslims argue in a natural form; saying that evil people can claim to be people of faith, and what you see as evil in Quran is simply human reaction to evil. Only a fool and suicidal man will offer his other cheek to Mike Tyson in his hay days. Only ignorant and arrogant racist will say that God belongs to his family and no other family can come to be a people of God regardless of them being pious about the Orders of God.

A few examples;

-Burkha argument'
"what about nuns"
"what about mary in the bible"

Is any of these a lie, you atheist guy? Epic fail.

-Death for apostacy
"In christian America, there is capital punishment for treason, apostacy and speaking against islam is treasonous"

Even the leader of the free world has justice for unjust people. See?

-Cousin Marriage permitted by Quran
"European Kings used to marry their cousins"
"Some states in America do not prohibit cousin marriage"

etc

Is that not a reality for you to see? I know your elevator does not really get to the top?

@Avicenna:

by Avicenna: 8:47am
Woooaaaahhhh

One more...

What's faith in Islam?
The christian faith is irrational but #links to website# the arabic word for faith/belief is very different, English cannot do justice to the intricate...........

Ya, right!

Tell me, is there any life preservation of self or humanity avoiding excessive abuse from evildoer or abuser in "Turning the other cheek"?

You are a yoruba man, give me the meaning of Avicenna in Ede ibile, if you are smart.

Give me the English word that will mean exactly any of these yoruba words: Oduduwa, Bajulaye, Itaganran, Ojude oba, Kaiyesi, Ikubabayeye, Gbangba, Ojuolomooto, Idiileke, etc. Choose any authentic Yoruba word and give me the full expression in English and let the yorubas on Nairaland critique it to see if omo yoruba gangan nie to mo oro ibile.

If you have "Epic fail" {good morning mr mcdadday01 who will be lost in the make of yoruba maze i put his atheist comrade in] in this imagine how it is a greater epic fail it is to do justice to The Word of Allah in Arabic when He did not reveal it in English.


So all your being an imam, you do not know that the arabs have to study Quranic arabic? I am going to sing Ojuelega of Fela. Can you tell me what Ojuelegba is in English?

@truthislight:

by truthislight: 8:28pm On Aug 25

why are you transfering the questions of her age over to us when your hadith that contain your pilars has allready given her age as 9years old?

Pls you have to do better than this in the defence of your prophet.

If only all the hadiths were authentic, proven to be factual by agreeing with the Quran, the narrator was possible to have heard it from the prophet [sa], so many narrations from so many people, at least more than 1 person who is not deemed likely to have been 1 on 1 alone with the master [sa], no one in the chain[s] is deemed with memory lost, a liar, and all deemed trustworthy in the chain[s] and there is no hadith that contradict it. There are still other reason to know about true hadith or false, weak and fabricated hadith.

Definitely, a person born must have a day of birth. And in the past or even now, the special events in the world, in one's country, tribe, town, family, etc may actually reinforce the actual day of birth.

For example, the children of President Jonathan is older than how long their father was a president starting from when he was sworn in to serve the remaining days of late President Yar'adua. How do we know that these children are older that their father's presidency? They were already alive by the time their father was even a vice president of President Yar'adua. Then Yar'adua died later. This is a simple proof and it is document that President has not had anymore children officially since he left his state for national offices; first vice and now presidency.

Muhammad [sa] was born on monday in the year of the elephant. So if one one to find out his age, one will refer to the year of the elephant. One can ask that if he was born after the end of the elephant, he was not born before before it, definitely and he born before the year following the year of the elephant very definitely. Do you agree or not? I need answer from you so that I know you are following my practical thinking.

The makka of the "before revelation" to Muhammad [sa] ushering Islam to Arabia did not have an almanac as we have it today. We already know that Jesus was already lift up many centuries ago. People say that was 570 AD. But the makkans say it is the year of the elephant. I guess the event of the elephant happen in 570 AD, neither 569 nor 571.

So when was Aisha [ra] born by her mother to her father Abu Bakr [ra]? Was she the first child, the first girl, what was her place among the siblings? We notice that she was the last, having 2 older brothers and 1 older sister named Asm'aa [ra]. This will e very vague if we stop here.

But we know that Asm'aa was 10 years her senior. We also know that her father had engaged her to a future husband, who was the future messenger [sa] because the engagement already was established before the beginning of revelation, an event ushering the community of muslims which her father and her entered same year it was established. Her father also divorced her mother immediately the same time he entered Islam with her because her mother refused to enter Islam with the family. Her father then became the sole guardian of Aisha, which by itself tells us that Aisha did not need the bre.ast milk of mom anymore.

If i stop here we can definitely conclude that before Aisha was engaged to this suitor and future husband she must have been born and definitely identified as a female and the suitor as male for a future husband and wife relationship in pagan makka.


So tell me what year was the engagement and what year was it broken relative to the mega event of the year 610 AD, the first revelation which is the rebirth of Islam in Makka after the many millennial of paganism of worshiping 360 gods? How old Aisha was in 610 AD can be one of these 3:

If she was X years old already by 610 AD, she will be +X years old.
if she was born that year, then her age will be X where this X is Zero years because she was just born.
if she was born X years later, then her age will be -X years.


Now could you use the events of her Makkan township to tell us how old she was at the 13th year of Islam in Makka before hijra to Madina?

I know my age to be X before the end of Nigerian military ruling decade which brought in President Shehu Shagari. So if anyone wants to know my age, all that must be known is this X and add to it how many years ago since 1979. If X is positive, then I am over 33. If X is Zero, I am just 33. If X is negative, I am younger than 33 by the number of negative X.


Have you been following so far? So tell us how old is Aisha in year 13 of Islam in Makka?

If you dont research it well, so how sure are you that the singular hadith of her being 6 and then 9 which definitely contradict her being of marriage age/having for sure monthly and already been engaged in the past is not fabricated, just like the verses of the Bible saying Yahweh is now a man dead?

@Mee234: If i give you verses from the Quran and verifiable hadiths where people criticized Muhammad [sa] and Allah came to his defense in the Quran, and in the hadith Muhammad [sa] did not hurt the critique will you embrace Islam? You should embrace Islam because it is the only way to succeed with God.

i runaway from crazyman.

in your view, does a filthy body gives you the possibility that the person is morally and spiritually clean?

tiarabubu, how far now, woman?

@avecinna:

by Avicenna: 9:46pm On Aug 27

Sweetnecta: is all the occults and secret societies we have not enough with all the killings and we need to have more people giving in to evil until it becomes normal?


Cults, secret societieshuh
Do you have something against seeking knowledge?
I want to read to see its value. If It isn't valuable, I will still learn something. How can you have a problem with that?

the bold was my statement. then you think your respond is adequate to it?

i could say i wanna learn how to do something evil if i already left something good that should guide me away from the evil.
normal mind will wonder if i was not intending to use this new knowledge for what it is because i do not have anything protecting me from using its value.

The above is similar to your case: you left Islam and now you are reading about occults and made up stuffs from some mental revolution game players. Whats stopping you from joining ogboni or aje and all this ritual[ists]now? is not that there is a spiritual cautionary holding you back. You will now be worse than boko haram who in spite of Islam are terrible. You do not have islam to hold you back now.


And there are some knowledge better left alone. Disbelief is one of them. And i am definitely twice your age and I am still learning, daily.

so let your charity begin at home you crazyman!

only crazyman can understand the absurdity of the op.
normal christians didnt, it has to be the crazyman that did.

well done op; your best friend is now the crazyman because he understands you.

anyone crazyman understands needs his head examined. crazyman is the adviser of the op.

@guirbyjohn:

by quirbyjohn(m): 11:03am On Aug 26
GOD IS AWESOME GOD!!!

I have a question for you and you may answer right away or seek help of the learned among the christians, taking as much time that your conscience will need.

We see that the English calls the Creator God.
The Igbos call the Creator in Igbo language Chineke.
The yorubas call the Creator in Yoruba language Olorun.

The christian Arabs call the Creator in Arabic Language in their Christian Bible Allah.

Are you saying that the Muslims the world over, including the Arabs call the Creator in the Quranic Language of Arabia allah?


This is a question that you may wish not even answer, but just reading it is enough: the children of Israel before Exodus was aware of the Creator and they probably though He is One God the Creator. The called Him Yahweh then. This is what they called Him until they crossed the sea and Pharaoh and his army perished in the same sea. The children of Israel called the Creator Yahweh taking Him to be One Entity and nothing else with Him. The children of Israel had this belief up to and until they made the golden calf as what they wanted to worship when Moses did not return on time. They made a single golden calf for all of them to worship consistent with their belief that their Yahweh of Moses is One.

Here are my questions;
1]. What name did they give to the golden calf that they are now intending to worship, being clearly idolaters now that they have an image to worship? Did they call it "Golden Calf" or something else like Yahweh since they know Yahweh was the Name of their Invisible God, or do you think they began to speak english as say "Golden Calf}?


2]. The children of Israel as per question 1 above seem to have ignored Trinity concept of the later group of "believers", the christians. And Jesus of the cross/tree being hung said about the Name of his Creator being Ellah. No Yahweh, not Jehovah, not God, not god, not Jesus and not Holy Ghost of Holy Spirit.

How can the children of israel and Jesus agreed and then disagreed on the same issue, Name and Nature of Creator?

@Niflheim: Yes. I am a muslim and for me boo haram is worse than an outright disbeliever.
how many people they kill, thats is meant for their souls.

Do I kill people? not so.
Do the larger group of muslims kill people? not so.

has anyone died in the hands of those who are not muslims? yes: muslims and non muslims.

has anyone died in the hands of atheists and agnostics? yes; muslims and non muslims.

so please dont gloat. not all of us want the evil of boko haram. you have no serious leadership in nigeria, the reason boko haram evils have survived to date.


@plaetton: sorry, i almost wrote playdough.

Before Muhammad [sa] people were killing one another for many reasons, including nationalistic, tribal, clan or family or race agenda or superiority. The arabs did it within their structural tribes and did it against others to suppress the race[s].

Before Muhammad [sa] and his brand of Islam, which started on man with Adam [as], passing through all the prophets [as], people were killed by non muslims and muslims before Muhammad [sa] alike. The completed Islam under Muhammad [sa] by its process helped united a people, first the few from makka, who were forced to migrate by the pagans, the non muslims. And the united people became larger in Madina comprising of former idolaters, jews, and christians all are now muslims. then the whole arabs and now a community of human race called the muslim ummah. They are instructed not to be what boko haram or taliban, alqaeda and others are.

Yes. Before Muhammad [sa] and his brand of Islam, there were people killed by non muslims, atheists among the evil doers. There were people in the life of the prophet [sa] who will say there is never going to be a Day of resurrection. When we die we will just rot and thats it. Fir'awn said tat he is certain that if he climbed up to heavens he will not find anything, the exact same mindset the atheists have today.

Fir'awn forgot that he was able to rise more than just walking on earth because there is gravity on him. A master needing assistance to do anything is not a true master. Those who worship their intellect say their is no God, as if they are certain. The same people will feel pain much if a little discomfort happens to them.

is all the occults and secret societies we have not enough with all the killings and we need to have more people giving in to evil until it becomes normal?

Allahu Akbar Kabirah. Leave the best is not worst you have to take up more evil.

Are you now having the blood of Fir'aun of Musa [as] flowing in your veins?
Are you now the intimate friend of Abu Lahab [Lanatullah allayhi]?

Many of us who live outside the show of our original homeland are discovering guidance as we see what is good, then what is not so good.
There must be a reason we are discovering these and becoming closer to God, acknowledging Him.

For me, I see that I am not as extremely young anymore as yesterday; everything is relative and what are permanent are what says are permanent.


Those of you who were in elementary schools yesterday are now in the University now, while a new crop is in elementary school.
sometimes in the future you will have to leave the university to the real world for the present elementary school children to occupy the desk at the University.

Later in your job, you will be too slow or not interested in it any longer. A new group of people will be better suited to do the work.

Soon after say 100 years after you left the job, the body will not be able to function and like an old jalopy car with already worn out engine and just barely holding on bumpers, the engine will knock out and the car will be carted to the junkyard where it will never see the asphalt of a newly laid out highway, again.

If i do not believe that there is life after death, when I learned that when Adam [as] was going to die, the fruit of Paradise that he used to live was what he craved. He sent his children to go and get him the fruit from a far away place that God has allowed him to see that same fruit on earth. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that up to his time of death, the fruit was not something he craved and the tree may not have bore fruit but until that time. Allah knows Best and the truth, so Adam's demise process was already set up and the fruit and its tree and the craving for it and the awareness of its location were all there to make the end come as it has been appointed. It may be true that the Eden of the christian Bible is where the fruit that will be the last food that Adam will crave for is located? No wonder that no more tree or location can be identified because both served their assigned purposes and Adam [as] is no more on earth now.

At the place where the tree was, the children of Adam [as] found angels of God with burial materials, including digging tools. These angels with the materials returned wit the children of Adam where he was and removed his soul and participated in his burial. We will all agree that something keeps this living body of ours alive. I will say it is the soul that is in the body.

if you leave a dead body is a place without preservation, regardless of how clean the place is, sooner or later it will begin to decay and maggot will eat it from inside out.

The machine that will dispose off dead body is already constructed in the body. worms and maggots will emerge from the eyes after eating through them from within to outside. Shall man e therefore arrogant, if children who used to hear and reach to other stimulus like touch when in mother's womb find a world of difference out of the womb, can any of you atheist say that you will not find a world of difference after death, realizing from point of death that there is God and Truly He takes account of the individuals?

If I tell you people can hear after death, there is no proof that you can present against it.


If i say to you that I am certain that people express emotion still after death, you can not dispute it, because I have seen a muslim whose skin brighten up and whose face expressed happiness as if smiling after washing and shrouding.


You people need to be less arrogant and more contrived so that you can reflect about your lives and ponder about all that you see and cant see and ask is there no Organizer, The Director, The Maker and Watcher over all?

@Truthislight:

by truthislight: 2:19am
Damed!

I never knew that muslim men Love Intimacy this much! huh

It is pass along quite nicely.

From prophet to followers.

Please, have your 72/100 wives o?

what is annoying is that you are denying the obvious and resort into explaining it away in such an in congruency that it defies the excuse of just chalking your statement to lack of knowledge, but to say that you are sincerely dishonest. even if wife was not listed, the fact that it says whatever is left for his sake, the reward for it 100 fold of the same exact thing shows that if you left 1 USD for his sake, he guarantees that 100 USD will be minted for you in return. 1 meal for him, you wlll receive 100 meals.

funny that you wll not need the food or the money because you dont eat.

In Islam, while we will not USD in paradise, InchaAllah, all kinds of food without the foul smell during digestion, etc will be given to us free of charge since we are permanent guest of Owner of all. See the difference?

@truthislight:

by truthislight: 2:03am
please, can you point out the contractions between Ijawkid and mine?

Quran is my Book 100%. Authntic hadith which are not weak, false or fabricated by ignorance or enmity are my primary means of explanation of what is not clear. ut the Bible is your book. Proofs are coming up right here below, considering that you only die once, and that death is physical death and then judgment, according to the Bible:

No 1 proof of disagreement between Ijawkid and truthislight: Ijawkid elieves that man will e eternally alive on earth and in heaven, even though we see man dies on earth so that Judgment day can come: Ijawkid may just be a rapture believer for some but not for all, even though the person who proposed the idea is already dead and no rapture for him

by ijawkid(m): 7:57pm On Aug 25
Hey!!!!!!!!

Everlasting life will both be experienced by persons both In heaven and on earth....d bible says that....

Read matthew 5:3 $ 5.......

New International Version (NIV)
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

Look up those verses........

Eternal life will be enjoyed both in heaven and on earth..........no 2 ways about it........

This is d bible talking.....

But in trying to support ur 72 virgins in heaven by quoting scriptures frm d bible ur Ón a long thing

and truthislight is opposite of the belief that the above from Ijawkid may carry by the quote below:

by truthislight: 11:27am
i dont really wish to join this thread at first even now.

But i notice that your information is not base on facts.

3. I and Ijawkid dont ascribed to the immortality of the soul but you are have imputed it to us.

No 2 proof of this set of disagreement is on going to heaven [heaven in this case is paradise, whether it is on earth or in the sky above, but it may be after death or no death at all as rapture is proposed for some but not for all since death has already occurred to the saints of old who were far better than the christians alive today.

by ijawkid(m): 7:57pm On Aug 25
Hey!!!!!!!!

Everlasting life will both be experienced by persons both In heaven and on earth....d bible says that....

Read matthew 5:3 $ 5.......

New International Version (NIV)
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

Look up those verses........

Eternal life will be enjoyed both in heaven and on earth..........no 2 ways about it........

This is d bible talking.....

But in trying to support ur 72 virgins in heaven by quoting scriptures frm d bible ur Ón a long thing

below is what the opposite is from truthislight:

by truthislight: 11:27am
i dont really wish to join this thread at first even now.

But i notice that your information is not base on facts.

2. I and Ijawkid dont accept that all rigtheous person will go to heaven but again you have attributed is to us.

The Bible dances between death for all and then a proposal by a person that death will not reach him and his generation where rapture is drawn from. But this person's proposal who is already death is an epic fail, using the lingo of Macdaddy01. Those who have not died as God has not willed it on them yet will die in the future.

Ijawkid did not discuss trinity and holy ghosr which you insist of calling holy spirit. Your bible says holy ghost, if only once, it is enough since I am just discussing your bible with you.

Finally, since Ijawkid believes that there is everlasting/eternity of life, either or both on earth and in heaven, will you proposed the opposite, even for the soul of man [look guys no christian has mentioned spirit of man here, because the soul is actually the spirit], then you have disagreed with each other 100% in what both of you discussed.

I am therefore of the opinion that you will disagree Trinity or how else is Jesus God at the same time that the others, The Holy Ghost/Spirit is and Yahweh the third is also God? How is Holy Spirit not holy Ghost, if the whole christian world believes it, even the Bible saying it is Holy Ghost, just as I said?


Here is quote from truthislight:

But i notice that your information is not base on facts.

1. I and Ijawkid dont really ascribed to the trinity doctrine but you have attributed it to us.

2. I and Ijawkid dont accept that all rigtheous person will go to heaven but again you have attributed is to us.

3. I and Ijawkid dont ascribed to the immortality of the soul but you are have imputed it to us.

4. We dont know what you call holy ghost, what we know is holy spirit.

Below is Bible saying Holy Ghost:

Acts 2:4 as translated by the King James Version:

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
(KJV)

Acts 2:4 as translated by the Revised Standard Version (which was based on the American Standard Version, which was based on the King James Version):

"And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
(RSV)

The "Holy Ghost" Is The Old English Term For God's Spirit

Below is the Bible saying 3 Gods of different persons since each is a God of His, his, its own and up there telling me different. I know you are ashamed, the reason we are extending the hand of welcome to Islam to you.

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit [Matthew 28:19].
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all [2 Corinthians 13:14].
To God’s elect. . .who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood [1 Peter 1:1-2].

@Ijawkid:

by ijawkid(m): 5:16pm On Aug 26

So we shuld take advice from Jesus if only he was married abi??

does it make any sense for a billionaire to take business or money management from a person who has always been the poorest in the country? Does it make any sense for an already a good father to take advise from a 2 year old girl on how to manage the affairs of the family? Does it make any sense for a season military strategist to take advise from a coward? Does it make any sense for a sane man full of wisdom to take advise from a crazy man or a retard? Does it make any sense for a married man or man going into marriage to take advise advocating for institution of marriage from a confirm bachelor? If anyone is thinking he should e asked why arent you married and begin to have children if you are for marriage?

His vast wisdom wasn't enough uh??

not any on marriage. If you know any, show us and ask why didnt he marry if he was an expect on it. To be an expert, you have to do it. All man is is doing it so that he can be an expect in it, instead of just being an unproven theorist.

@godspeed:

by godspeed: 11:27am

Are u sure u want to submit this ?before i start showing u from the Koran verses that imply Allah has eyes ,ears and hands

He already did submit it and please dont forget to show us exactly the shapes of the eyes, ears and hands of Malaika Jibril [as] when he is not in form of a man ut in his angelic form when he was at sitra munthahada [the tree of the farthest in the 7th heaven], when you are discussing the Eyes Ears and Hands of Allah Subhanna wa Ta'ala, The Creator no man has seen, but many [Adam, his mate Even, Noah, Ibrahim, Musa, Isa and Muhammad [as]] just to name a few of men who have heard His Voice. Please go on and lets read your proofs of the exact shapes and how many each are, from the Quran and you are free to use your Bible so that you can tell us His color and height and shape.

And hell here is the Greek word - hades

what is hell in Moses' language? What is hell in Jesus' language?

which is grave and not the same as hell fire

Since neither Moses nor Jesus to greeks or in greek or lived greece whats the word for hell in their languages, while jahannam is the word for hell in the language that Muhammad [sa] preached in Arabia to Arabs in Arabic language? It is interesting to note that in spite of the large and dominant population of Jews in Yathrib/Madina, Muhammad [sa] did not preach in yiddidh, hebrew, aramaic, but only in Arabic.

@truthislight: you failed in your prophesy of me being finished just like the Bible failed on Ishmael being wildass of a man.

The God of the Bible blessed Ishmael first. Then cursed him to be a wildass man; trying to render His own blessing upon the lad useless. Lad is always innocent, unlike grown up folks.

So Allah made the blessing stick by raising us the Rasullu-amin [sa] with the last revelation and completion of perfect deen/process of Ibadat on him [Muhammad [sa] the last Messenger and seal of Prophet-hood of God under whose messenger-ship Islam that started on the first man, our father Adam [as] was finally completed].

I am inviting you to the Post graduate program of way of life, instead of staying in corrupted grade school still or at best mushroom undergraduate program.

Ns your life. I already told you you are wrong. Proof: You see 100 fold, you dey deny say if you leave 1 wife you no go get 100 fold of am, 100 wives which the wife you left will not be one of them. It means that the christian God will make am for you. Nothing for christian woman. See?

And Jesus did not marry, a confirmed bachelor. How on earth do you take marital advise from a bachelor? It like taking law advise not from lawyer, but from bricklayer.

@Ijawkid: Your religious brother, truthislight has disagreed with you about everlasting life. He has dragged you to disbelieving that Jesus is also God, so is Holy Ghost/spirit and Yahweh of OT is God too. Though Jesus said Ellah with which you form HALLEluiah HALLElujah is his God.

@Truthislight: You are busted and Ijawkid should sue you or tell you to stop thinking for him, if he is honest to his own statement. You are driving further and faster into darkness upon darkness. Even faster than the already in the abject darkness that Ijawkid is already in.

@Ijawkind and Truthislight: compare your responses and see how different you guys are to each other on the same issue, my statement in quote.

Ijawkid said the immediate below as response to the quoted from me, while truthislight said what was below the quote as response to the same quote from me. How are these two following the same book, having the same holy spirit teaching them puzzles normal mind. The holy spirit is absolutely a ghost that does not teach or lead anyone to a successful destination. At least not good spiritual destination.


by ijawkid(m): 7:57pm On Aug 25
Hey!!!!!!!!

Everlasting life will both be experienced by persons both In heaven and on earth....d bible says that....

Read matthew 5:3 $ 5.......

New International Version (NIV)
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

Look up those verses........

Eternal life will be enjoyed both in heaven and on earth..........no 2 ways about it........

This is d bible talking.....

But in trying to support ur 72 virgins in heaven by quoting scriptures frm d bible ur Ón a long thing

Sweetnecta: @Truthislight: maybe you guys will finally see the light instead of the wretched darkness you have lived all your lives in? even you christians dont have uniformity belief of what heaven which is paradise is; what may qualifies a person, etc. You see confusion of the highest order? ijawkid is of the opinion of the untraceable 'planting garden' type of eden of Adam is the paradise, while still the same ijawkid proposes something in the sky. in either case what eternal reward is no christian knows it. but while he denies what Jesus of the bible says about the one wife you abandoned, they cover it up with what the not so virile Paul said. who is the hypocrite; the one who says his God is jesus, yet abandoned his saying to pick up the saying/opinion of paul or we the muslims telling you to see the light?
who is not following Jesus; paul who said the opposite of what Jesus said, though claiming that he is a slave of Jesus sent by Yahweh or we the muslims who say that the God of Jesus is Ellah from HALLEuyah, bowing to this God and reminding you to follow the already came another comforter?


pure hypocrisy. where does it say that or your holy ghost is the devil giving you wrong details? read the thing plainly, jo and stop going to the abyss of darkness which will never benefit you.


doing what with the empty everlasting life? even 100 wives is just about not enough especially considering your pastime is boy/girl friends thingy.


just like the emphasis on God is my father while i am truly is slave/servant messenger, human prophet? such a crock.


whats the use of 1 father for a grown man who is a father or even grandfather? but he has him. so deal with 100 fathers, 100 wives, 100 mothers, 100 multiplied by each siblings.


i think you can not handle the truth. but you want the 100 homes, horses, hectares of land, etc. there will be any death after death and judgment. so the 100 promised you is to make your house fuller than full.
interesting that people did not even realize that Jesus promised them 100 houris because the wife abandoned will not be that 100 wives, but newly minted 100 wives.

by truthislight: 11:27am
i dont really wish to join this thread at first even now.

But i notice that your information is not base on facts.

1. I and Ijawkid dont really ascribed to the trinity doctrine but you have attributed it to us.

2. I and Ijawkid dont accept that all rigtheous person will go to heaven but again you have attributed is to us.

3. I and Ijawkid dont ascribed to the immortality of the soul but you are have imputed it to us.

4. We dont know what you call holy ghost, what we know is holy spirit.

Is it also possible that what you are inputting to the scriptures are not the TRUTH?

You are of the view of what is the use of eternal life without 100 wives?

^^^^
lol
you are finish because of the lust urges in your brain.

Do you imagine it is all human that operate at such degree of lack of self control?

You input lies to other people just to justified your own urges/lust/lack of self control.

Jesus did not even have a wife let alone ask his followers to marry more than one wife, you wish to take his word out or context and justify you insatiable urge for sex.

Suit yourself.

^^^very incorrigible, obtuse.

both of them {buhari and tinubu] are ignorants.
muslims do not bow to anyone but to God.
muslims do not accept bow from anyone because all bowing belong to God.

i do not bow to anyone. i tell them from afar that Islam forbids it.

i tell my in laws 'oh, with all my respects for you, mom, dad, but all my prostrations, bowing belong to God"

^^ you need to type in bigger font, otherwise people will think that you are dishonest twice; not saying the truth and using awkward means [the color and font and cursive] to make it impossible to read without extra effort in order to respond.

@Mee234:

by Mee234: 10:49pm On Aug 24
@ speeder I said in 'islam'. of cause it's wrong in a sane world but in the islamic world there is nothing wrong with it.
@sweetnecta..... I cant said ur id correctly cos ur id no be gari. I read ur post even in other trends and I thing u are intellegent. So if marrying a prepubescence is condemnable for that senator, it should be for muhammad too. It very wrong for muhammed pewing a minor, more so been a prophet.

how did we now that the senator married an underage/prepubescent except that we know the record of major events in her life, like her birthday? how do we know how old Muhammad [sa] except that we know that he was born in the year of when the elephant army of Abraha invaded Makka. that year was 570.


so can you tell us what year was Aisha [ra] the alleged prepubescent born, considering that we know that Muhammad [sa] and Abu Bakr [ra] her father were neighbors, friends and members of same charitable organization, prophet-hood began when Muhammad [sa] was 40 in 610,


Abu Bakr and all his household including Aisha entered Islam in this same year, except the first son who was disowned on the spot and Aisha's mother who was divorced immediately while Aisha was independent enough as a child being already promised into marriage to remain with her father, instead of her mother, and her father was even willing to let her live with the family of the future husband?


Aisha's ]ra] life answered every controversy about her. Allah designed her for a purpose; a narrator of some of the aspects of the private life of her husband [sa], a man for the whole world. By her, it is agreed that a man can marry a younger wife, can remarry after end of a marriage, can marry while there is a marriage still going on with a wife, can be friendly with your spouse, dont kick her to the curb because she is on her monthly, etc


Please tell me when was Aisha [ra] born and how old was she in the 15th year of Islam of Muhammad [sa]? If her relationship was abominable like that of the senator because of being prepubescent, while the whole nation spoke against the senator, why there were no jews, christians and pagans in Makka and in Madina talking against it and it would have been a chance to disproof him? why would the pagans of Makka who were his enemies not seized this great chance to disproof him? they never stopped saying that he was enchanting them and many other form of lies about him, but they never said his Quran or his marriage or his honesty or character was less that exemplary.

@Truthislight:

by truthislight: 4:28pm
@ Ijawkid

truthislight:

why not bring out the scriture and let all see.

I dont think it is all christians that have the believe that all rightiouse people will go to heaven.

There are those that have the belief that some "people will go to heaven while some people will have their reward of eternal life here on an earthly paradise" just like the one Adam lost.


i am hearing for the first time from you guys that that Vers in matthew refers to 100 wives.
huh

maybe you guys will finally see the light instead of the wretched darkness you have lived all your lives in? even you christians dont have uniformity belief of what heaven which is paradise is; what may qualifies a person, etc. You see confusion of the highest order? ijawkid is of the opinion of the untraceable 'planting garden' type of eden of Adam is the paradise, while still the same ijawkid proposes something in the sky. in either case what eternal reward is no christian knows it. but while he denies what Jesus of the bible says about the one wife you abandoned, they cover it up with what the not so virile Paul said. who is the hypocrite; the one who says his God is jesus, yet abandoned his saying to pick up the saying/opinion of paul or we the muslims telling you to see the light?
who is not following Jesus; paul who said the opposite of what Jesus said, though claiming that he is a slave of Jesus sent by Yahweh or we the muslims who say that the God of Jesus is Ellah from HALLEuyah, bowing to this God and reminding you to follow the already came another comforter?

I had always understood it to mean that on leaving father, mother, wife, that had oppose a new christian to join the christian congregation he will meet christians that will more than cover up for what he had lost.

pure hypocrisy. where does it say that or your holy ghost is the devil giving you wrong details? read the thing plainly, jo and stop going to the abyss of darkness which will never benefit you.

But in the new world/regeneration he will have everlasting life.

100 wives huh

doing what with the empty everlasting life? even 100 wives is just about not enough especially considering your pastime is boy/girl friends thingy.

Could the 100 not be for emphasis?
"As in am 100times richer than you"

just like the emphasis on God is my father while i am truly is slave/servant messenger, human prophet? such a crock.

what will the use be for 100 fathers?

whats the use of 1 father for a grown man who is a father or even grandfather? but he has him. so deal with 100 fathers, 100 wives, 100 mothers, 100 multiplied by each siblings.

100 mothers huh

i think you can not handle the truth. but you want the 100 homes, horses, hectares of land, etc. there will be any death after death and judgment. so the 100 promised you is to make your house fuller than full.
interesting that people did not even realize that Jesus promised them 100 houris because the wife abandoned will not be that 100 wives, but newly minted 100 wives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d946a-4GUs&feature=b-vrec

jumu'ah; jim, mim, hamzah, ha.

@Ileke idi:

by *Ileke-IdI: 2:28am

My Ekiti sister, how you dey? kiss

Weren't you trying to turn me towards Islam a while ago? Now it's Desola's turn? grin grin

more like yoruba broda. This yank is no gal. You, 'Desola, Dayokanu [both with Islamic blood]', afam4eve and everyone on the planet are being invited to success; the way of God, the path of guidance which each messenger and prophet [as] brought from their Lord.


while Islam is not by force because the heart is not something that one person can make another change in sincerity using force. In spite of the tolerance of the yorubas when it comes to religion, it is a duty on believers to invite with wisdom and good words and manners. No one wishes to attain spiritual success alone but always along with all people. God is Merciful and His Mercy extends upon all creation. I ask people like you who were never muslims to invite me to what they believe. People like Dayo to invite to their religion if they are sure. People like Desola to invite me to their new religion. People like Afam4eva to invite to their religion.

I have not seen any who has taken me on and able to handle the questions i asked. I do invite people to Islam. This is the right course of guidance, in spite of the likes of the ignorance that permeates and seem to be synonymous with Islam because of the falsehood preached by the likes of Nigerian Boko Haram, The Al Qaidah, Taliban and others.

I have investigated almost all major world religions and I found Islam to e truly the only sound and natural religion that the normal heart of man can accept. Quran calls man to examine it and reflect on its contents and is there a way other than it?