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@Kay17: « #2 on: Yesterday at 09:31:58 PM »
[Quote]I think your first misconception was to think oppression was worse than be murdered. Murder deprives one of his life and future and other rights, losing one's life is losing everything.[/Quote]Someday, you will actually grow up a year to be 18, the legal age in almost every corner of the world. Then you will know that a person oppressed will die every moment until the oppression is lifted, if he ever survived it. Meaning dying a slow death is worse that just sudden death. I do not want to be oppressed and may Allah protect me from it, but definitely I will die and I already accepted it as my final condition, before the soul that carries my body departs the body which will lay down flat.


[Quote]Most Muslims claim Islam is peaceful and the war verses only apply to self defence. However the Muslims launch numerous raids against the trade caravans both armed and unarmed. The Muslims' state was not under a direct threat or attack from the Meccan state or the caravans. The Badr battle was one of defence by the Meccans ironically.[/Quote]What about the muslims who left Makka with just the Jilbab they were wearing? You think they were happy being foreigners in Madina instead of living in home town Makka? If you are a man, your type Kay17 is the husband who allows armed robbers to ra.pe his wife, daughters, sisters and mama. This is type of oppression which no soul should allow if he can do something about it. I will rather fight them and lose my life or I take the lives of the robbers. Thats how real man should aspire to do. There are fights worthy of engaging in. Badr was that type of Battle for Muslims.


[Quote]The Muslims were out of the reach and oppression of the Meccans, so continued oppression is not a ground for attacking commercial caravans. Recovering their original property from the caravans doesn't make sense as they were traders.[/Quote]when you keep my properties and have the gut to remind me that you have it and i cant do anything about it, you better watch out because i will do something about it; try to get it back from you, even if I have to fight you to actually break your arrogance that i couldnt do anything.

^ Tidytim, Quran is not less than in importance to the muslims than the Original Gospel of Jesus to the 11 remaining disciples.
Imagine if somebody were to confiscate it an desecrates it and burns it. Imagine that.
The 11 disciples were willing to die for the anything Jesus. In fact they died for them.
will the 12 disciples minus Judas who died because he betrayed Jesus leaving now the 11 not die for the Word?

Though the muslims wear their emotion on their sleeves, so were the 12 disciples of Jesus. Even Paul was not a disciple died for his belief.

I guess the muslims who you are criticizing are exactly like the 12 disciples, plus apostle Paul; all of them stubborn as a goat ready to lose their heads for what they hold dear; their faith.


Tidytim; how far now?

^^ Woman if Islam stands like a rock and not crumble like a pulverized sand block/brick, will you become muslim say at age 80 when all the beauty and perkiness have faded?

@Kay17; Are you a man r a woman so that I can better use your gender to illustrate the situation of Battle and what led to it, in today's conditions, while Lagosshia will see the battle, in his own way and style.

But all muslims knows the difference between outright violence an self defense. You as a human being knows what is outright violence against other without provocation. That will be different from self defense in all forms of self defense.

Heck. Let me educate you about self defense in Islam; What is paramount to every muslim is preservation of lives; yours and those of others. The only time that life can be taken is for the good of the community; as corrupted souls often spread corruption and nothing apparent may be any reason to preserve such a soul.

A person who is in self defense can be considered as a person preserving his life and lives of others in due justice and mercy. For instance, if a band of criminals walked in to a eatery and demanded from everyone [the clientele and management], at gun point, to hand over their corpus; monies and valuables. Let just say that in the process of handing over, or even after it, something happened that caused the "victims" to be able to overpower the criminals, will you be considering the victims as bandit, criminals, unjust persons just in case the people with guns get beat up or even get hurt or worst, die. Will you say the initial victims; management and clientele of the eatery are still the victims or now the criminals and the people who pulled out guns, intending to rob or actually robbed the people are victims now that they got what they deserve of justice or still the criminals who got the thing that they deserve to get; beating or hurt or even dead because they intended to kill if not satisfied with the loot?

If you say the victims at the end in the above scenarios were the original bandits, then you lack ability to see justice where criminals are the one who started the act of crime. If you say the management and the clientele which at the end became successful in overcoming the animals who intended to rob them of their possessions were not the victims, but the aggressors, you will still be unjust, until you say they are the victims but God Almighty helped them overcome their oppressors, shaming and humiliating the oppressors.

The above is the case with Battle of Badr and what led to it. It is a worse case scenario for people to be going through oppression which is worse than killings.

The muslims had suffered through 13 years of Makka; getting killed, getting harassed, getting ignored as if what they had was a plague except the muslims were not bowing to pagans, getting shunned so much that they were banished to the city limit until Allah made the poster of banishment got eaten up by termites off the wall of the Kaaba. this itself is a miracle because the pagans were blinded not to see the agreement notice being eaten by termites.

It was this state that they were in that even marriage agreements were cancelled out, reminding me of that of Aisha [ra] long before the proposal from the messenger [as]. The muslims could not bear the torture which led to the minor hijr to abssynnia known now as ethiopia. At the end of the day, no muslim was allowed to leave with any of his properties as they left Makka for Madina even Umar who was bold enough to announce his from a hill top at the edge of the city. The prophet [as] and his traveling companion [ra] left at night, all depending on Allah, alone.

Makkan's leadership took possession of the properties of the muslims, benefiting themselves from it. It was in this situation that the second year of Hijr came when the Makkans were actually bold enough to use the route of caravan nearest to Madina, instead of others that could be just as convenient; Badr route is closest to Madina.

Do you imagine a man who beat you up and stole you motorbike or less, your bicycle or a man who forced you to leave your neighborhood, making sure that you left without your belongings, but only your life since he thinks he can take your life, too? If later on this man happened to come to your new neighborhood where you are now loved and considered an assets. Imagine him coming to your street riding your machine, wearing your clothing and bling bling. He has been using your belonging to enrich himself, improves his image, elevating his status in town.

Lets imagine it was winter even that you and your friends run into him in your street. Or if you wish, Summer evening when the blood of revenge or avenge is at its peak, remembering all that you have lost and how far you may have gone if only you had the properties left in old neighborhood to use as your starting point. Imagine how furious you will be in eagerness to take back your clothing from this guy? Thats what normal people; they demand back what is theirs. Imagine a man who doesn't demand back what is rightfully his?

Islam preaches that you take back what belongs to you, if you have the chance. Americans say give me life or give me death in the spirit of oppression is worse than killing, in the spirit of these colors dont run.

The Makkans are enriching themselves with the properties in Makka that belonged to the Muslims who are the emigre. Now the emigre has the right to want to take back a mere part of it back even if they had taken the whole of the caravans. Notice that the emigre told the helpers [the Madinan] that this fight; Badr is not obligatory on them.

To me that is justice. The Yorubas say what poorly means; a child not strong enough to have his hand capable of holding and then swinging the sword against the enemy, should never confront the man who murdered his father. The muslims were justified in the battle of Badr, in the same way almost all believed the USA was justified at the beginning of the Afghan's war.


If you could not find the USA as oppressors an bandits at the beginning of the war, how can you find the muslims wrong in the battle of badr, considering that Allah says that the muslims were not interested in fighting, but thrust into it the same thing president bush spoke about as resolve.

^ I think what you have said is inaccurate considering that you are making a mere unproven hypothesis from Darwin now a serious science.
Islam calls for thinking and reasoning and knowledge even before belief or believing.

You need to go and study science of yesteryear that is the bedrock of the science of today as well as its result f human advancement; you will find the work of Muslims there. Not because they went out to study by desire, but that Islam challenged them to it.

It is also a good thing that knowledge is not the exclusive property of Islam, nor that of judaism or christianity or the west.

success without God as its bedrock is no everlasting success, but temporal one. Further, everything is a time, and place. Soon, it will be a renaissance of Islam.

How are they blessed? Everlasting blessing is that one to be revealed in The Day of Judgment.
What exactly do the Israelite do that is a remembrance of what Abraham used to do?

List them or any.

the best in their fields among the yorubas are mostly muslims.
yes the missionary schools did it.
but Allah sustains what He Wills.

@Divinereal; You can choose these two songs or just one of them;
1]. Its a rodeo cowboy going on a rodeooooo
2]. Mama don't let you boy grow up to be cowboy.

divinereal, Islam do not roll like that. Anyone who is homosexual is only a muslim by tongue.

Alhamdulillah. I will never be anything but a simple muslim. No sufi, no hyphenated Islam for me, not even sunni. All the poets, Allah has answered them in the Quran.

@Joagbaje: « #11 on: Today at 02:59:47 PM »
[Quote]So the devil carried Jesus on his shoulder ? Cool Far from it. of course something is really wrong there.[/Quote]You see this as demeaning. But this below you don't see as even equally demeaning?[Quote]Posted by: Joagbaje
Insert Quote
They didn't go to the temple.Jesus was tempted in his heart just as we are.
James 1:14
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Hebrews 4:15
. . . but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.[/Quote]


[Quote]The temptation of Jesus took place in th wilderness . He didn't come out of wilderness until his fading and temptation was over. The temptation were in the realm of the soul and thoughts .[/Quote]And what is imagined in the heart is as if done said Jesus of the Bible as in the lust of the heart is as if acted already.


[Quote]Jesus didn't climb the temple to jump down . He imagined it.[/Quote]Imagine people who imagined they are in sex.ual intercourse, meaning lusting? What did Jesus say about this?


[Quote]Th devil also showed him the kingdom of the world . How did he do that ?[/Quote]This is very shameful if there is a God that His handwork, satan can demean like that. Is that a God, really and is that satan not greater than that God?


[Quote]They flew in a jet plane round the globe in 80 minutes?. No.
[b]It was in the realm of the mind. Satan has access to suggest thoughts and imagination to our minds[/b].[/Quote]This is truly an insult on God if Jesus was God. Even a prophet of God has been abandoned if satan is allowed to rule him as the bibles suggest that satan did upon Jesus.


[Quote] We counter it with Gods word.[/Quote]You can't counter it it with God's word because if you see above, satan is actually doing the exact same overlord on Jesus your God.

@Frosbel: You should be ashamed of yourself, frosbel, for culling Psalm verse above, while you found the Gospels barren!
i ask people, how is Jesus the author and finisher of a faith he didn't start and you don't find in it anything to protect yourself, but rush to Psalms?

there is no way i will leave the Quran, a document that I consider to be absolutely the Word of God, sufficient enough to satisfy my spiritual are other yawning, for say the Torah, Sabur and or Injil. If i have to supplicate God it is the Quran that i will use. If I have to ask God for anything, including protections, etc, Quran is sufficient.

come on frosbel. you "fall" my hands [whatever that means as in disappoint me] every time.

On another matter; how is the family? Did you like my analogy of 3 is 1 and 1 is 3 about your Trinity using 3 boys as 1 boy and 1 wife as 3 wives all in 1? Dont tell madam o, abeg. Nigerian woman could waylay me on something like that.

^Olaadegbu knows Jesus more than Jesus knew himself.
When Jesus was praying and begging, he was not actually praying and begging if we let Olaadegbu tell us the story.

@Frosbel: Imagine when Jesus said another comforter which is the Holy Spirit. Imagine that for a moment, since the Holy Spirit is actually God.

It means Jesus was saying Another God. Lol.

That Another God, like the Former God will hear from God and then will SPEAK to man, reminding them the truth that Jesus might have said, correcting them of any wrong that is prevailing, leading them to all truth, telling them new things and glorifying Jesus.

Did this Another God did it because some former God or Gods and Jesus didn't do it? We know what Jesus promised. Did the Holy Spirit listen to hear from God and speak it to man?

Imagine Another God [in the fashion of Another Comforter which is the Holy Spirit] listening to Yahweh. Imagine that.

Which of the Gods is/are dependents on the God or Gods; Is Yahweh that God that is dependent or Independent?
Is Jesus that God that is dependent or Independent? Is Holy Spirit that God that is dependent or Independent?

Is a dependent God really a God?


But can we read what the Holy Spirit heard God say and then the Holy Spirit relaying it by speaking to the men? That's exactly what Jesus said will happen. Did it?

^^^^^^^^^^ so those who did the same against Yahweh, Jesus, Angels, even men, they will be forgiven while doing just the same against the Holy Spirit, they will not?

Why? Is it because the Holy Spirit cant talk? Is it because the Holy Spirit has not station, position, etc? What? I need to know.

Malcolm X poster classic. Jesus definitely not christian, double classic.

^^^^^^^^ you understand 3 to be 1 or 1 to be 3.
i understand 1 to be 1.

so i konw 'dear'.

@Frosbel: « #30 on: Today at 07:02:55 PM »
[Quote]You cannot understand these things except they are revealed to you by God.[/Quote]How difficult is it to know that 1 is not 3 and 3 is not 1 since you have to pass through 2 in both situations? Even the villagers know it, except you in the whole village. Chei.


[Quote]Humble yourself and God will reveal himself to you in his own way.[/Quote]I humbled myself in the same way Jesus humbled himself at Gethsemane; we both prostrate our faces to the One Who can safe us from certain perils. For me, I know, inshaAllah, I will not be hung. My God is the One that accepts supplications. When He accepts it, it means answered.


[Quote]ALLAH is dead and cannot save you,[/Quote]One of His Qualities is Hayyi; Always Alive, Everliving. Another is Qayyum; Never dying. So you see you have lied, son of satan. You lie like a rug.


[Quote] his daughters cannot save you,[/Quote]He neither has a daughter nor son, so your lies about daughters is awash just it is with calling God 3; Father, son and ghost. Yeye boy.


[Quote] Muhammed cannot save you,[/Quote]I was not expecting him [as] to because he can only tender intercession, pleading that I truly followed him.


[Quote] only Jesus can save you my friend.[/Quote]I dont need him [as] because you have lied on him, so he has his own issue to deal with before Allah.


[Quote]Is it not shocking to believe that you are saved ,  not by deliverance from sin and living a holy life, but by prostrating before a black stone in Mecca,[/Quote]I am in North America, very far away from Makka. Yet I pray. The whole of Kaaba is nothing but a direction marking. I pray towards Masjid Haraam, in it teh "Marking" called kaaba.


[Quote] deifying Muhammad,[/Quote]I do not deify Muhammad [as]. No real muslim will do that. We leave that to you christians who love man god.


[Quote] going on pilgrimage to Mecca,[/Quote]Muhammad [as] met the custom of going to Makka which Abraham [as] called believing mankind to after the flood of Noah [as]


[Quote] washing your hands and avoidance of pork meat.[/Quote]This i am happy to do because Jesus your man god did them, too.


[Quote]Do you sincerely believe that BY observing these dead works , you can please God,[/Qute]Abraham [as] pleased God on following and obeying His Commands. Thats exactly what I am doing.


[Quote] do you for one instance imagine , you can please God on your own terms.[/Quote]This is your problem; thinking that you will please God by creating a religion and by it making up a relationship. Both God rejected because He has ordained a religion on all mankind, starting from Adam [as], in it He Allah has allowed relationship with Him and believers to be true and rewarding.


[Quote]Do not be deceived, Jesus is the WAY , the TRUTH and the LIFE.[/Quote]And after that he called for people to pay attention to the Another Comforter [as] who will correct all the lies and lead to absolute truth. Frosbel refused to listen to Jesus [as], but became deaf, dumb and blind instead.


[Quote]Without him you are LOST !!![/Quote]I do not bow/worship those who bow/worship. But I worship the One Who worship truly belongs.[/quote]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ i know, 'dear'.

^^^^^^^^^^^ Over 2012 years and still counting late.
Frosbel you are in a high league of ignorance all by yourself.

continue with your patch up job; make him all that is. you can make him escape death on the cross, according to your Bible.

^^^^^^^^^And a prophet can't be king or king be a prophet? This destroyed the prophet-hood of Jesus or his being claimed as a king or in reality both. Your thought that the Bible[s] [since there so many of them and no two are alike, even in successive generations], is the standard of truth, is way off the mark. Take for example of what jeremiah says of the old testament as being corrupted already by the pen of the scribes. one will have to question everything that the Bible says against common sense even if we leave the Quran out of it.

Yahweh loved David enough to bring victory to the people through a were stone throwing from the hand of the lad, when he was still not quite old enough to participate in war. God didn't stop there; He made him a king and winner of battles and wars. Then he gave him Psalm that you christians read to ward of evils or call success to yourselves, while you could not use the Gospel to do either, even if you try. Yet it is the man you make to a God, prophet, etc that gave you the "Gospels".

just to remind you how wrong your premise is abut prophet-hood, we see today that many male and females in christianity are called prophets and prophetesses. What qualifies them and what disqualified King David and or King Solomon except your corruptions?

She says Jesus is not a prophet. If i quote verses from the corrupted Bibles where Jesus is called prophet, can you do either of these or both here on this thread?
1]. declare that the Bible is corrupt anyway the reason I am able to quote corruption from it.
2]. abandon christianity because of the corruption that the Bible penned calling your Jesus who is not a prophet by your own account, prophet
see i have not asked you to become a muslim. that will be your choice a decision you will have to make afterward.

if we see the Bible calling Jesus a prophet, then Jesus will not be more important than prophet Nathan. Is that correct? Please accept the above challenge, first and i wanna see how much you know your Bible, in English.

@Emofine; « #83 on: Today at 10:02:47 AM »
[QUote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on February 16, 2012, 01:52 PM
Omo emofine yi, kini excuse iwo lati ma di muslim?
then we shall talk about salat the highest form of 'prayers'.

Sorry I don't understand Embarrassed Subtitles please.[/Quote]simply put why are you standing at the edge of success, without entering it after yu have taken the time to walk to it? Islam is Success and learning about it is walking towards that success. You might just take the bold step into it, otherwise the effort you have mustered to get to the edge will be naught.

Deols is correct in her statement above. Looking at the faces of those who are the link of chain around the praying crowd one will not see anything but Islam. There is no way the more in control Muslims in Egypt will leave their security in the hands of non Muslims in a state of war. Allah sets the ruling that Deols pointed to. The same argument i had the first time i saw the picture, months ago.

@Jokingly: « #19 on: Today at 12:48:25 AM »
[Quote]if you say jesus is not the son of God y did the temple of God rent in twain wen he died.[/Quote]This is poor reasoning. When Ogunmola died in the days in yoruba land, there was a big wind and heavy downpour in Ibadan that he used to affiliate himself. You sound like the Shongo obakoso people or the egba with their chain in ground man.


[Quote]matt 27:50-55.who raised christ from the grave?[/Quote]You should be ashamed to say that God is a man. Worse is that God is dead. Worst that God was killed by His creation! Is that not ignorance to say God must behave like human, have character of man. Yet the dead God cant raise himself up, but another God had to raise him!


[Quote]whos spirit rested upon him when baptised by john d beloloved?hypocrites read st.john 1:1-end[/Quote]Show me a jew that got baptized before, during and after Jesus. Did John or his father get baptized? Did Mary get baptized? You will realize that the baptism you rave abut is fake. Anyone ever saw the spirit of God, except the fake story in your Bible talking about hearing the voice of God from heaven and seeing the spirit that far away? Is there any consideration to how far the human sight is?


[Quote]« #20 on: Today at 01:01:55 AM »
prov23:9 says speak not in the EARS OF A FOOL he will despise the wisdom of thy words.read st.john3:16-18.and wash ur ignorance.[/Quote]The fool and ignorant toad is you since you can say God is man, father of man and ghost getting mother of man pregnant and all of these are 1 [i could have said is, but i was talking about the 3 instead of 1 that you made them equal to].


[Quote]« #21 on: Today at 01:11:15 AM »

GOD IS TRINITY.Gen1-3in the begining God created heaven and earth,and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep the SPIRIT OF GOD(GOD THE HOLY GHOST)moved upon the face of the waters and GOD said let thier be light and there was light.john 3:16 talks of GOD THE SON.pray 4 GODS understanding b4 u run ur mouth.[/Quote]You have to say that the jews new 2 Gods and the christians brought about the 3rd. make another God, man. How about Melchizedek? After all he was more qualified as God than mothered Jesus. Ridiculous.

^^^^ I asked Tiarabubu to give the names of five prophets, she named Samuel. What happened to the remaining 4?
Is Samuel more important than Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc, Aaron, Joshua, David, Solomon the wise?

And there is no prophet that Christian has. Jesus is not a prophet by your religious account; he was God. a dead God even for a moment.
so who is the prophet, except you take "jewish religion" by your own admission for prophets?

God straight from the OT and NT, yet they can't quote a direct verse like "I am your God and beside Me there is none" and "worship Me and no one else".

@Aletheia: Your yeye dey smell. Continue to sneak in and out like a tief. Haa. I forgot there is that one that comes like a thief in the dead of night.

@ Frosbel: Just like you are sure that 3 is 1!
You have 3 sons. Right?
I declare, based on the concept of Trinity that you sincerely have 1.
Do you agree?

Please transfer the excess boys in your household to me after you pick the 1 son you take as son. This is based on 1 God many names Trinity game.
I will take care of the extra boys and tell them that you do not know how to count more than 1!


After you have done the above, you will see how madame will really go nigerian on you and send your behind to the gutter for not being able to think.

I want  to laff at you.

And let me push you over the edge a little; I declare based on 1 is 3 that you have 3 wives.

^^^ Which destruction method have you chosen for yourself when you insist that Jesus is God Almighty Creator Who Jesus put his face to the ground to pray to at Gethsemane?

@Diluminati: Jesus didn't preach christianity or judaism.
Jesus didn't say he was son of God. the jews all said in arrogance over other that they are children of God.
nothing Jesus did made him more than human. after all he said he was powerless.

all he did was done by God through him, just like what happened to Moses. Muhammad [as] performed miracles and it was from God through him.
Islam was completed on Muhammad[as] saying clearly that it started at some point before it was complete in the time of Muhammad [as].

you will agree with me that if Adam [as] and his family had a religion it was not judaism or christianity.
i say to you every prophet [as] had a religion, same religion as a matter of fact. and it aint judaism talking to a wall in Jerusalem named after Judah r Judea [TYC]. and it aint christianity playing a full orchestra and stamping feet, clapping and dancing, etc named by people of antioch.

the religion was Islam and no wonder it is the religion completed in perfection on the last prophet [as].

@Tiarabubu; The Jews consider King Solomon as a Prophet. He had 700 wives. Then he topped it with 300 concubines.

Consider that the Jews are trying hard to build the temple of Solomon and the conservative christians in America has thrown its weight behind it, we know from the jewish Bible that the Massiah will not return and day of judgement will not begin unless the jews built this temple. To the lives of the jews, King Solomon who is a prophet, son of Prophet David is just as important as Prophet Moses, the very same way Jesus is important to the christians.

Incidentally can you name 5 messengers and 10 prophets from the Bible? I wanna see if Solomon or David will not be mentioned.

@Tiarabubu; « #10 on: Today at 04:20:13 PM »
[Quote]my question remains unanswered; Which prophet in the Bible had hundreds of wives?

The function and status of prophets are quite clear from that of men or historical figures. So which prophet of God in the Bible had multiple wives? I wish to be educated.[/Quotes]The Jews consider King Solomon as a Prophet. He had 700 wives. Then he topped it with 300 concubines.

Consider that the Jews are trying hard to build the temple of Solomon and the conservative christians in America has thrown its weight behind it, we know from the jewish Bible that the Massiah will not return and day of judgement will not begin unless the jews built this temple. To the lives of the jews, King Solomon who is a prophet, son of Prophet David is just as important as Prophet Moses, the very same way Jesus is important to the christians.

Incidentally can you name 5 messengers and 10 prophets from the Bible? I wanna see if Solomon or David will not be mentioned.[/quote]

them born frosbel god.
Who born am? a young virgin.

A child is born means god of frosbel "is" born.
Can the Creator be born?

If Christian heaven is exciting, does anyone think the christian man will leave it return to earth?

Sheikh Kishk of Egypt died and people dreamed about him.
His response was direct; I am happy for what my Lord has given me.

^^^^^^Muhammad [as] destroyed them all. Thats bold. Thats a Lion among lions.
Muhammad [as] is the one who let me know that ghost is no God.
son is no God.
father is no God.

God is One. I accept that and I am better for it.
Since God is Master; One God is 1 Master. Thats so comforting to the heart.

In your case, father is Master [the first master]
And if son is Master [then this is your second master. Its no One God anymore regardless of how you spin it]
also if ghost is Master [then this is your third master. Three is a crowd even among mankind. You are not even 2 Gods, but 3 Gods by this].

@Frosbel; Read the above, mehn.

Omo emofine yi, kini excuse iwo lati ma di muslim?
then we shall talk about salat the highest form of 'prayers'.