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@Hardunnii: Here is a statement of new Muslim, from a western country.
Dirk Walter Mosig,
U.S.A. After accepting Islam
Said: "I have read the Sacred Scriptures of every religion; nowhere have I found what I encountered in Islam: perfection.

The Holy Qur'an, compared to any other scripture I have read, is like the Sun compared to that of a match. I firmly believe that anybody who reads the Word of Allah with a mind that is not completely closed to Truth, will become a Muslim.

Ah. In the USA that all persons in the world presently will love to live in, including those in Bodija, Ibadan, we have a person with the bold coming from his mouth. Similar statements, including confessing that the hearts are at peace have been made by new reverts.

I asked you, woman to sell Christianity to us. The best you have done is prayer. Heck. You didn't pray like Jesus did and you want me to believe you that you are sincere, instead of confusion? If you can't encourage me to become christian, let me invite you to pray to God as prophet Jesus did; wash up, clear your mind and prepare with determination to sincerely worship God.Then prostrate yourself in your own Gethsemane. Do it 5 times daily. A year from now, you will be able to see that HARDUNNII is actually Adunni.

Let me be gentle here:
@Hardunnii: Coud you tell us in your own words, why you converted to Christianity? Take a clue from the woman in the video to make your task easy. You can actually ask the former "Alfa and Imam" what made them became Christians. That's easy and you don't have to give us a page long but the meat of the conversation. Per chance, we may respond to it or if convincing enough, we can come to it since you will support your presentation with facts of how Jesus was God, worthy of all our worship. Just maybe you will give us verses from the Bible to support your reasoning? Perhaps who didn't see Lagosshia's thread asking Christians to provide Bible verses of Jesus saying he is God Almighty and saying that worship belongs to him? This is your chance on this thread to finally convert us.

^^^^Thanking without action is worthless.
What Jesus did about his God, you abandon. Calling yourself a Christian and never following Jesus in worship of his Lord is disingenuous.

^^ Did they consider carefully to worship the One Jesus worshiped in his night prayer at Gethsemane? How does anyone; former "Alfa and Imam" and others now worship Jesus who himself was a worshiper? I find Jesus blameless in what people do here, even as they take him to be their God!
Ibadan has lost the "Islamic city" name, since I am meeting more and more Ibadan people leaving Islam for christianity and even making profitable business out of the who thing.

Alas. Thank God. There are quite a few Ibadan blood who hold tightly to Islam, regardless of the allure of being able to have more than 1 meal of "Amala" daily.

@Hardunni1: Your Islam was based on being born into it. Thats a big misconception, thinking that makes you a muslim. It doesn't. But allows you to understand something about Islam, before you actually enter it, independently.
I doubt if you knew anything about Islam, before and the reason you left it, sometimes before you are matured enough to make independent decision this way or that.
Everything is relative, and poverty and the allure of full stomach on the other side away from Islam have made a whole lot of ignorant born into Islam Yorubas leave it into nothingness, or another religion that will not bring everlasting success.
As we are sure that we shall all die, it is in the same way that I am sure that we will be recreated by the One Who created us in the beginning. The recreation will not be in jest, just like the initial creation was not in shear amusement. Each has its purpose.
I didn't truly become a muslim until I was in my 40s. Of course in all the decades before it, I had prayed, fasted, etc and thought I was a muslim, since I didn't try any other religion before.
My entering Islam with all my heart, conscious of what I was doing actually brought complete peace and fulfillment of knowing my place and my part of being here, as a human being.

You need to recalibrate your position and know that you are getting older. Worse you do not know when the last breathe will be. That should concern each one of us because we do not know what our Creator will do to us based on our deeds. And if you do not believe that He exists or make Him to be what He is not, what do you think the end will be?

@Unphilaz: Yea. She seems happy. She is wearing Hijab which is a huge step to announce to the world that she is not sad and definitely not hiding Islam.
@Hardunnii: Whats scary about what she said? She finally got it after leaving Jamaica. You need to leave Bodija. May just get it.

^^^You don't have to be religious to hate evil. Evil is not exclusive to people of religion.
I wonder what you are beefing about; the fact that slavery is criticized or [maybe and] my suggesting that boko haraam in my opinion will serve well in fighting against this slavery?

this is the place for boko haram. they should go there and fight the ignorant and in my mind faithless "slave masters". The Only Master a slave, the human race should have is God Almighty Allah, Alone.

Frosbel my friend, I am with you in what is good. this is one of them, probably the only one.

Very interesting thread. It is magnanimous for frosbel to declare a truce. He may disagree with Islam just as we in Islam disagree with all other religions, but I admire his commitment to his way; whatever his destination, God knows it, already, and frosbel will do everything at the end to get it.

The best of the OT Prophets, Moses, was not anointed. Even Joseph was not anointed.
Jacob who is the third of those people Yahweh is always referred as their God [Abraham, Isaac and Jacob], was not anointed. The first to be anointed as a prophet was Aaron,of King Saul. Even stone was anointed [stone at the altar], and even tree. They are christ, if anointed means just that. What is so special therefore about stone or tree being a christ? How about King Saul who was a christ before Jesus? Davidylan needed to be ignored.

Ethnic tradition; But that was what anointment was and its significance to jewish ethnic tradition supersedes its not always having any religious value. Otherwise those who are not anointed like Moses, etc would have no right being receivers of revelation. Spiritual leader like Samuel, truly sinless John the son of Zacharia, would not be qualifying to be people of paradise. Even King Solomon, etc. Jews carry unnecessary traditions that has no spiritual weight. Example is the not eating of hindquarter of cattle, which should have been restricted to only Jacob. They added to itand ended up with not eating beef and drinking milk or consuming diary product during the same meal. So when you go to Carnegie deli, only gentile like me will have beef and cheese.

What Jesus didn't do, the christians are doing in their worship and day to day living. What Jesus did in his worship of God, the christian simpy abandoned it. Can they truly be following Jesus?Is one thing to say it,but it is honesty when you act it. If you never pray as Jesus did to his God when he was in need, how do you justify saying you are obeying Jesus?

The 2 muslim leaders who categorized the government as not serious are ridiculous in their pronouncement. There is no where in the Book of Allah, The Quran and in the Tradition of The Messenger [as], The Sunnah and Authentic Hadith that allow a handful of renegades or even more than that in number to destabilize any functioning society with good or even bad leadership. If it has been allowed, Saudi Arabia should have been the first to be destabilized.

Most muslims these days are only that not from the hearts, but their sincerity to Islam does not even reach the throat, only on the tongue. Boko Haram should be wiped out or off from the face of the map; and the muslims north, being supported by the other muslims and the whole of nigeria should doing this, instead of some insincere leadership saying that nigerian government is not serious versus an evil organization called boko haram.

are these so called muslim leaders of the northern extraction, specifically the two named serious and know what Islam called them to do? If the madinan tribes of jews had been muslims, yet intending to undermine the constitution of Madina, the messenger [as] and the whole of madina would have fought against them, a footstep followed by Abu Bakr [ra] when the whole muslims fought against those "muslims" who refused to pay zakat during his leadership.

Zakat in my opinion is even less than the peaceful condition that must be maintained in any society as Allah says that when two parties fight, you should seek peace between them. And after peace have been established, it one party start a new fight, the whole community should fight him until peace is restored.

If these muslim leaders are not honest brokers by their blaming the federal government of Nigeria, they the muslims are not trying to restore peace in the first place, how can they be expected to support the government of Nigeria, under whose social constitution all nigerians live to fight the evil of boko haram as a group or individuals?

I am a muslim and thank God Almighty Allah that I am.

Allah is The Proper Name.
Allahu is part of a word; example - Allahumma
Allahu is part of a sentence; example - Allahu Akbar, Yaa Allahu [Samad, Karim, etc all the 99 Attributes].

If you dissect the Jewish and Christian chant; Allahluyah, you will hear Allahu Yaa which is the reverse word placement {Yaa Allah, Yah Allah]. You will not find Yahweh, or Adonia, or Jehovah, etc in Allahluyah. Try it and find out for yourself.

@Ptolomeus: I just think that you should not have free range in discussing Quran without a muslim correcting you and those who take your position.
[Quote]2:223 Your wives are a tilth for you. Come, then, to your field as you like, by quoting something for yourself! Fear Allah and know that you will find! And glad tidings to believers![/Quote]Compare the above to the below, taking into consideration that children are the seesd of their father, even the Bible says that.
[Quote]Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers[/Quote]


[Quote]2:228 Divorced women shall wait three menstruations. Not afford to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day During this wait, their husbands are fully entitled to take them back if they wish for reconciliation. They have rights equivalent to their obligations, according to usage, but men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.[/Quote]Most men are physically stronger than their women; Islam recommends that husband should provide and protect their women folks, and wife is from the woman folks.
[Quote]Divorced women remain in waiting for three periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have more right to take them back in this [period] if they want reconciliation. And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.[/Quote]


[Quote]4:34 Men have authority over women because of the preference that Allah has given some more than others and property spending. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in absence of their husbands, what Allah has guarded. Warn those from whom you fear disobedience, leave them alone in bed, beat them! If they obey you, do not ye may thrust more with them. Allah is high, great.[/Quote]is it the beat them you dislike? I understand it to mean touch/strike her with something as light weight as her night wear or her scarf and not belt or blala/koboko or your fist as I have read from New York Times. Most of them are non muslims; lets talk to Ester Nossbaum.


[Quote]4:15 Calls of you four witnesses against those of your women who commit dishonesty. If they testify, confine them at home until they die or until Allah will seek a way out.[/Quote]Let compare it to the below
[Quote]Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.[/Quote]Death shall overtake each. And allowing the wife to die naturally if she is not divorced since Allah in His Power and Right and Authority says He ordains another way, is completely better than the husband, sorry boyfriend killing her for mere going to the swimming pool or talking to another man which has happened recently in Lekki or Ikoyi [refer to a thread on NL].


[Quote]33:30 of the Prophet! To which of you is guilty of lewdness, the punishment will be doubled. It is easy for Allah[/Quote]This is senseless, whereas the truth is as follows;
[Quote]O wives of the Prophet, whoever of you should commit a clear immorality - for her the punishment would be doubled two fold, and ever is that, for Allah , easy[/Quote]This warning is similar to what could have happened in the hands of the Jews to Mary, the Mother of Jesus, had she had committed adultery, i know fornication because she would have been stoned to death.


[Quote]65:1 Prophet! When you divorce women, do it at the end of your waiting period! Count well the periods: and fear Allah your Lord! Not out of their houses nor let them go forth unless they are guilty of lewdness Those are the laws of Allah, and who violates the laws of Allah is unjust to himself. You do not know ... Maybe Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation ...[/Quote]Below is what the verse says
[Quote]O Prophet, when you [Muslims] divorce women, divorce them for [the commencement of] their waiting period and keep count of the waiting period, and fear Allah , your Lord. Do not turn them out of their [husbands'] houses, nor should they [themselves] leave [during that period] unless they are committing a clear immorality. And those are the limits [set by] Allah . And whoever transgresses the limits of Allah has certainly wronged himself. You know not; perhaps Allah will bring about after that a [different] matter[/Quote]Allah has judged correctly, protecting the rights of both husband and wife and restricts the husband from any harshness. Give me something better from the Bible under the same circumstances.


[Quote]66:10 Allah sets forth an example to unbelievers the wife of Noah and Lot's wife. Both were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, but their treachery availed them naught against Allah and said: "Come both in the Fire along with others who enter!"[/Quote]I hope that you will hope that satan, pharaoh who perished in the sea in exodus, hitler and others will enter hell? each of these people was a male. Maybe other males, too? Have you considered that, ptolomeus and his bosses for spain?

@^^^; I love you for the sake of Allah. We all count your negativity to ignorance, for the sake of Allah. We pray for your guidance for the sake of Allah. Now swallow your pride for the sake of Allah. He is the One that absolutely provides for you.

@ifyalways; salaamualaykum sis.

@okija_juju; you are funny; calling yorubas Yoruba and at the same time reflecting on your yoruba signature; araga gba ni idi ara [araba; igi].
maybe it is you who should be simi sols for this beautiful igbo woman married to yoruba man.

by the way my igbo wife is free to call me any non yoruba name, since i even bear arab name; how difficult could it be for me to bear any igbo or any name that my wife thinks fits her husband?

what i think the yoruba husband sould not do is to ask her to change to that "nickname" legally. and she should keep her father's name in addition to seriously refusing him the unnecessary conversion.

@plappville and Frosbel: Even if Jesus rubbed his face on the ground, praying to God in worship hoping to receive His Support that he has petitioned?
Anyone who does not copy Jesus in this worship pattern is an anti christ, won't you say?

Have you ever in your life in dire need of God rubbed your face on the ground, praying to God as Jesus did? Are you sure you are not in the group of those who should be called anti christ, changing the way of worship that Jesus worshiped his Lord God Almighty Allah Who is unlike any?

sisi plappville, welcome back. how is the family? how you dey?

Tpia is probably going to prove herself wrong at the end: the person who can't even control her mind to become muslim will tell us the mind does not wonder at all in salaat.

does she know that the more you focus in salaat, the quicker the whisperer [lanatUllah] comes to whisper?

No one can control his mind. Somehow, your heart will wonder; but the less it wonders away, the more it concentrates on salaat, thinking more about Allah is the best you can do. Put your trust in Allah that He will accept your prayers, your effort of obeying Him by His Mercy.

[Quote]I would also like to throw the question back at you. What makes any entity worthy of reverence?[/Quote]
@Emofine; The above is ultimately your question. And if satisfactorily answered, will you enter the "way" that you find the answer? Then bring along your parents into the same fold? I would want you marry well, in case you are single when enlightenment of Islam finally enters your heart.

Now then, I am of the opinion that you are you do believe that there is a Creator, Who Alone has made all things and put them in their rightful places in relationship to within its kind and in relationship to all other things created? I am saying this because you are at least from this post by your opinion post saying something about God and or different gods, trying to find the One that is truly the God while the rest are to be looked at as less than that if not outright fake, mislabeled?

There is a yoruba saying that there is no woman that does not secretly wishes she has the husband to herself alone. If woman can feel this way about her husband and we know man feels worse than that when he knows that there is another man after his mate/wife, regardless of her not giving him any attention, you will know that if there is a Creator, the Creator must therefore Commands all rights of attentions and submissions to Him, alone without having to relinquish any part of His Rights over the creations to anyone. I say this Creator is Ultimately Absolute in All His Rights, Wishes and Commandments.

What is left that I put forward to you therefore is that whatever I call God is that Ultimate Owner of all the Privileges I listed above. I call Him Allah and His Book in which He finally introduced Himself to us is the Quran. I said finally in the sense that it is the Only Book of revelations that no word in it is from man, but from Him, Alone, repeated word for word as man hears it. My proof that Quran is what I say it is below. There are other proofs that you can easily search out yourself.

Please watch the below videos and get back to me for more discussions here for a while before we continue via emailing each other, even phone calls.

1}. How You will know that it was revealed by other than human:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEnMUT5w5Rk&feature=related

2}. Scientific knowledge unknown to man in it at revelation, now just known:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrVE9-x8ZwI&feature=related

@emofine; Tell me what disqualify Allah in your view from you revering Him? What makes any entity worthy of reverence or not in your mind? Please use Allah to illustrate your decision[s].

@g1; Come back. Read my post made yesterday. I wanna read your Book or Chapter that will stand up to the challenge of God in the Quran. You can't throw down and think you can walk, without us reminding you, mehn.

@Op: If you can produce a book like the Quran, or something potent like the shortest chapter of the Quran [Surah Kawtar], I will like to read it.

It must be able to affect the heart, just like any part of Quran. It must have deep meaning, one should be able to reflect on it and ponder on its meaning; bearing spirituality.

It must be distinctively original like the Quran, shaming other books and making spirituality very clear. When it is placed on the tongue, its words must be weighty. It must not just be a book read, but a book that soften hardened heart.

I want to cry when I read your book. If it cant make me cry, you have produced garbage and you need to come back to Islam because I am the judge of your bad production then. I am sure papa and mama still cry when they hear a good recitation. You must have cried before hearing the Quran recited or your heart was so hard that it was easy for you to walk away from pure guidance?

I am waiting to read your master piece. Don't fail me now, or just quietly get back into Islam, leaving misguidance and arrogance aside with the garbage.

^^^^^^^^^^ Mysticism of sound and music?
Abeg, Dudu_Negro, stay on a very direct course, and do add anything to your religion, except what Muhammad [as] and his companions [RA] practiced.

@Op; « on: Today at 02:55:59 AM »
[Quote]Worship in Hebrew “shahsha”, and worship in Greek “proskineo” means to prostrate; bowing down in showing respect to a person in a higher authority. Physically bowing down before someone “a king” for example, is a symbol that shows an outward demonstration of the inward total submission. [b]In this regards, worship means “total surrender” or “perfect submission” and to worship God means total submission to the will of God. [/b]True worship of the Christians is to submit totally to the will of God, which is beyond singing and dancing inside auditorium. There are three different aspects of God’s will, which includes the general, specific and seasonal will of God[/Quote]And Jesus bowed to God when he submitted himself by prostrating his face, in worship.

Do you do this that Jesus did towards his Lord God Who sent him? Total submission is very important. Try it sometimes.

@Dudu_Negro: I used Taha to indicate Islam, indeed the reservoir of it, does make the religion no a burden and Muzzammil the reason that "all Night" vigil is not part of Islam. From the Quran, again, in Surah Muzzammil, Allah tells Muhammad [as] to observe prayers a part, say more or less 1/2 of the night. This is commandment on Muhammad [as], alone, just like how his marriage was [more than 4 wives and at some time in his life told that there is no more wives for him [even if all were divorced or dead]].

Even the lailatul Qadr, a person sleeps through it, he will not violate commandment of Allah as the one who didnt make the 5 daily salaat. No one can practice what Muhammad [as] did not practice and say he is not a deviant, because "who ever introduce something into this our affairs is not from me", says the Messenger [as]

[Quote]There are verses in the Quran where Christians and Jews are called enemies of Islam, while in other verses they are called people of the book and of one brotherhood with Islam.[/Quote]You may be correct on the "enemies of islam", depending on what you are referring to. But I cant accept the one brotherhood with islam, unless you show me how. Closest to the believers, yes about the christians, over the jews and the absolute pagans like hindus, especially. How is disbelief in one brotherhood with Islam?

^ Night Vigil, though Dudu_Negro didn't say "all night". But considering the sufi's ideology, I am arguing against all night or vigil similar to what the christians have developed.

The last 1/3 of the night leading to Salatul Subuh is acceptable and recommended. But the messenger [as] cautioned us against extremism in worship and in life. And Allah cautioned His Messenger [as] from surah Muzzammil not to worship all night long. This is what my post was actually saying. Tahajjud or Quiyaamul lail though important, are still inferior to Salaatul Subuh. Just like sunnah fasts of full moon days and mondays and thursday, 3 days of the new month are inferior to Ramadhan.