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why swear by all that can be seen and what can not be seen when Allah says do not swear but by Him Alone if you must? Let us guide our fingers and our selves. May Allah overlook all our faults. Amin.

@Usisky: How do you determine the starting time for fasting, if you do reject all hadith, considering that Allah says in the Quran about the time, using black and white threads indicating the time?

Are you going to get 2 very thin or maybe 2 very fat threads as your markers? How about how black and how white the threads, and other variables since you want to ignore the hadith, a thing that indicated how Muhammad [as] the one who Allah revealed His Book to didn't use threads, but something entirely different [some say the top of the mountain while other say its heavenward]?

Chapter 5 verse 101 of Quran;

O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.

This is self explanatory; Allah wanted believers around the Messenger [as] as the revelations were still coming down to answer questions and set up their lives; secular on day to day affairs as well as spirituality that they should not ask questions about subject matters just because they need to know. Rather let Allah set up the pattern of life for them, because if they ask what they wished to know the answer, the answer given will distress them, making life difficult for them, restricting them, because Allah had wished to give them in Islam enough freedom, instead they would be using their questioning to create less freedom and much demands and restrictions for themselves.
read it. Allah says He has pardoned them of wrong doings of the past. Allah is Forgiving/as the Only True Forgiver, Allah is Forbearing/ as the Only True One Who can Forbear as to overlook.

Chapter 5 verse 101 of Quran;

O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.

This is self explanatory; Allah wanted believers around the Messenger [as] as the revelations were still coming down to answer questions and set up their lives; secular on day to day affairs as well as spirituality that they should not ask questions about subject matters just because they need to know. Rather let Allah set up the pattern of life for them, because if they ask what they wished to know the answer, the answer given will distress them, making life difficult for them, restricting them, because Allah had wished to give them in Islam enough freedom, instead they would be using their questioning to create less freedom and much demands and restrictions for themselves.
read it. Allah says He has pardoned them of wrong doings of the past. Allah is Forgiving/as the Only True Forgiver, Allah is Forbearing/ as the Only True One Who can Forbear as to overlook.

@Bashy_damy: You can see from your wife's refusal to let your children go to Islamic school and have a private islamic teacher while she is every sunday happy to take them to church that religion of christianity is important to her, and your Islam is unimportant to her, while she can't be a mother with you.

Allah says call the children by their father's name. If you are the father, you have at least a degree greater ownership right over the children than your wife has. You are also a degree higher authority than your wife's authority in the house. Your wife's authority is under your authority; a larger umbrella of authority.

You need to grow spine, mehn and many advised you to stop her from taking your children to churches, sometimes in the past; if you had not allowed her to start at all, there would not have been this much heartache in your life right now. If you had taken the advise of the NL muslims when you first raised it, the heartache will be almost gone by now either because there is a divorce long time which you have bounced out of, or she has followed your instruction; even herself leaving christianity, instead of making your children believing a man, a ghost and a father are all 1 God, instead of a make up 3 gods; one of them being tortured and later killed, today being the 'anniversary' of such a fantasy of fantastically horrible death.

How you african muslims living in africa turn to christian women for wives instead of potty training them first, if you have to reject Islamic women who if not in hijab and kimar already, but at least do not take gods with God as Lord. Your degree of pains and efforts will not be this intense; the children and even her will not be going to church, for such.

Prophet Ibrahim told Prophet Ismail [as] to divorce his wife in prophetic manner. Allah then replace her with a better woman. For me, muslim woman has right over me than any other class/grade of women.

If a woman wants me she has to want all that is good that I want; i do not want a cross staring at me on the body of my lover. I do hope that where ever, I end up, Paradise, God Willing, my wife/wives shall end up there with me. Amin.


@Informatix: Islam is not core north. Islam is obedience to Allah and following His Messenger [as]. If you love your christian wife so much as not to care what way of worship your children ends up or not even worship, why not marry any woman; idolater, christian, jew, over muslim and why are you in Islam, if should not be important to your children? Your case is like the case of many arab youth who end up schooling in western countries and knowingly consume pork, intentionally and openly drink alcohol and indulge in fornication with whoever brings it on, to the amazement of so many of us african muslims. No wonder some american muslim reverts greeted arab muslims saying 'salaamualaykum yaa kafirun", because the practice kafarah; covering up the truth.


And to those who think religion is not important: I wonder what is more important than what is Important to God?

And to those who think God is not Important: I wonder what is making you getting closer to your end, while if you control your affairs, you will use your power of control to not age any longer and avoid the inevitable: death?

mat is not necessary for prayer. direction is what is absolutely needed.
you can sit on a chair if you cant stand.
you can actually lay down if you cant even sit.

and there are many types of prayers; salaat, dua, etc.
salah is a dhikr.

islam is easy, if the mind yearns for it.

@aribisaa0

by aribisala0(m)
IF and this is for the sake of argument.
The book proves to be genuine it proves nothing about the Genuineness of the Messenger of Islam. Critics may even claim he was aware of the existence of the book and simply adopted the name as in the book.

We are already aware that there are "BOOKS" that were rejected from the Christian Canon which are fairly consistent with the Quran in their detail about Jesus and his Life.
The Question for a neutral person is there is no convincing Scientific reason to accept either Islam [/b]or Christianity [b]other than FAITH( meaning permanent suspension of logic and reason) just on the basis of any of these writings

While is not a convincing scientific reason, going by your statement above, it is nevertheless a feeling of conviction that can't be quantify and or made physical of its own, though can be acted out. But what convincing scientific reason will satisfy you if by reason you are able to accept that air/wind exist by what it influences or ability to measure its strength, without really capable to say for certain "oh, there is the wind going down the street and it has turned the corner!". I am not sure if you have argued against the existence of God. But if you have, then the logical and most reasonable question is to ask if you can provide the most correct origin of things in this complex universe, if there is no ORIGINAL ORIGINATOR consistently keeping it in best order from beginning to ending? We have to believe that if there is no ORIGINATOR, there is a 50% chance only for things to be in order in this complex "world' of known and yet unknown.

If however you believe that there is an ORIGINATOR, we may have to assume that He has originated human specie for a purpose, blending in this perfectly with the rest of what He originated. The said purpose of which He originates man must be either in internal or external or internal and external instructions from Him. One wonders if it is purposeless, why do we to die at all? There must be a complex yet simple purpose for Him to originate us, as God says in the Quran that He did not create "Jinn" and mankind except to worship Him. Such purpose of worship is to complex, yet simple and direct that one sees the reason fetus is in such crouching position in mother's womb with the head slightly tilted low as if prostrating.

In the complexity of instinctive morality of man; knowing good from evil, one sees that God confirmation of His saying in the Quran where heart, brain, hearing, sight, etc; all the senses are parts in helping us to get to sensibility, realizing evil as faulty quality when we do it as supposing doing good.

It will be wrong therefore that God Almighty will have a purpose for us, yet will not give us guidance in the external, in form of a Book through His Elected Persons from time to time, until the last of them showed up. How do we know how to seek forgiveness from God except through His revelation where He tells us how best to seek it; the way Adam [as] the first person sort it. If we worship God only by instinctive quality in us, each person will have his/her own way, religion. Even the pagans organized their own religion in a structured pattern. So does the humanists by not doing anything at all.

Allah says prostrate then bow to Mary as others in her time used to do. We have seen many jews who still practice it like this, yet others if not all have adopted additionally the praying to the wall. We do not see where Jesus told his disciples to merely make the Lord's prayer and or sing and clap hands, etc when Jesus was seen prostrating, in worship as he prayed. Physical/logic, reason manifested in prayer and worship, it is clear to me that the Quran is very explicit and the muslims have for the most part have been consistent.

On the scientific proofs; All you have to do is to read the Quran on all aspects of academic branches that you can. I am always amazed that the Quran contains such a wide range of academic fields; considering that most in physical sciences have no interest in social sciences, and the reverse is the case even today. But Muhammad [as] was 14 centuries ago, in a poor desert. I wonder how he was able to conduct such a thorough research in a matter of 23 years considering that he was unlettered till the very moment revelation began to descend upon him. And he didn't say they were from his thought, even as he was dying, he didn't claim they were. Where the Quran says that he frowned, I do not think a man writing his own thoughts would have blamed himself.

I advise you to read the Quran and then tell us if you still think that you as a person is not a scientific evidence that God is the One Who revealed the Quran. When Quran in 2 verse 2 says this is the book {Quran], it was not made to a book then. It shows honor as part that are not revealed yet was still in heaven. Then later, the Quran became a compiled Book that we have it here today; same audio/voice, same letters [alphabets].

@ Gakin95:

Gakin95:

This was foretold in Galatia 1:7-8. ', but ther be some that trouble you and would pervert the gospel of christ even if we or [b]an angel from heaven preach [/b]any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be eternally accursed' . I'm not surprised that this is coming up now, it's bn predicted.

did any angel ever preached any toral, psalm or "gospel" to anyone, ever? if you know any angel that did, we need you to give us his name, who he preached to and what he preached.
if you can't produce any evidence, you will have to agree that Paul may just have made this up without being inspired to write this verse. this will lend to the opinion that he might never have been inspired at all in anything. cursing an Angel is something that no prophet did, how can a non prophet like Paul did except to scare people out of their wit and ability to think?

and as lagosshia said above, if a christian is dissociating himself from a biblical verse, we need to know why since he believes each verse of the NT is "Inspired" by the Holy Spirit God? If he abhors the verse, it is either that he believes that God of the Bible was not correct or it was not from God at all.
if it the former, then christians are finding fault in God, no wonder they find fault in His Messages and His Messengers [as]. if it is the latter, then it is either inspired or made up by man; either way should such a verse or verses or book be trusted since God did not correct the end product?

We can make judgment by the above therefore that whatever Quran supports in the Torah, Sabur, Injil, are what is truly inspired and the rest are either guess work or outright off the spiritual mark.

@Patriot2: Where the "Bibles" [The New Testament] spoke about Muhammad [as] was from what Jesus son of Mary [as] said from himself; "Another Comforter" shall come after I leave.

Read the duties of another comforter. you will see that holy spirit can never fulfill them because ghost/spirit that you say is the 3rd in your trinitarian Godhead can't talk, it is voiceless and finally, there is no need for it to listen to hear what Yahweh says [being the spirit of Yahweh, the Bibles say], then talk to human by audibly repeating what it heard.

The listening is for a servant to do with God Who is talking. Then talking what he heard without adding or subtracting to it, that is what you expect a true servant of God to do. You can help me by proving that Holy Spirit is the servant of God by destroying trinity. I will then ask you what did Holy Spirit being the listening servant of God say that God said?

The sequences of events about another comforter were: Jesus is lifted up, then another comforter comes, as a new thing to perform his duties.
He can perform the duties upon listening to what God whats him to say and do. He repeats the the things he hears from God and act in the manner God commands. It must be documented for future generations to adhere to because there will never be another comforter but this last one to man.

So show me what holy spirit said that God told him to say to man. Where was it documented?

Muhammad [as] was given the Quran taking 23 years to receive it from the first saying to the last saying of God to Muhammad [as] 13 years in Makka and 10 years in Madina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5qdREUUm5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5qdREUUm5Q

@Kay17;

I don't like the manner Islam divides humanity into the believers and the disbelievers (infidel). It exploits differences. Why should a father be responsible for the salvation of his children, when both have different minds??

The word "Infidel" is in the Bibles. Disbelievers; Kafirun 'one who covers up the truth'. The word "infidel" is not in the Quran but imported to Islam by enemies of Islam.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/infidel
a person who does not accept a particular faith, especially Christianity. b. (in Christian use) an unbeliever, especially a Muslim. c. (in Muslim use) a person who ...

@frosbel(m): 1 month & 24 days
Jesus As The Way, The Truth, And The Life:

Who was the way to the Ship that God saved and salvation to the people who didn't perish in the flood at the time of Noah [the man who is actually the second Adam [as], if there is anyone we can call that]? You will agree with me that those who were not in that ship got perished and did not enter neither the christian or jewish heaven nor muslim paradise because they disobeyed Noah's instructions to them. Or can you say that they entered your heaven, if you are sincere; did Jesus play any role in either the peril of these people or the salvation of Noah and the people in the ship with him? Please give us facts from your Bible because there is none in the Quran that Jesus did anything. I can safely say that we will not find anything in the Taurah of the jews about the role of Jesus in the time of Noah.

An Examination of John 14:6 In Light Of Muslim Claims by Sam Shamoun

If this role is exclusively that of Jesus, shouldn't this same verse be mentioned by each of the 4 gospel versions? Are they not all telling us the best of Jesus qualities, yet its 1 of 4 that tell us about this while all of them mentioned his killing/slaughter. Which is more important or a bigger factor to all of us; his killing by his enemies or that he is the way for all to success? I am asking because the value is not really expressed and one wonders why, except that it may just be a fabrication. I am going to say it is a fabrication until I am proven wrong, by someone telling me how is Jesus the way to the forgiven Adam, Eve, the sinless John, his father, Enoch, Noah, Melchizedek, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, etc, ELijah, Elisha, Ezra? Why was Jesus not the way to the killer Cain or did he lead him to heaven after killing his brother? Or did he lead Ishmael to hell even though he did not commit any crime?

It is not uncommon to find Muslims explaining John 14:6 in light of Islamic theology. The reason being is that to allow John 14:6 to speak for itself would refute the Muslim claims that there are no explicit references made by Jesus in the New Testament where he claims to be God. The passage itself reads:
"Jesus said to him, `I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'"

Through me shows that he was not the end, but God is The End. But was not Moses the way, the truth and the life, between the perished Pharaoh who refused to follow him, instead pursued him instead, and the saved children of Israel who crossed the sea as they followed the leadership of Moses? Or are you saying these people were not humans or Moses was Jesus or what role did Jesus play in this matter? We are allowing the verse to speak for itself, since it is alone here. John needs to explain himself, while we will not bother Mark, Matthew and Luke because none of them made this outrageous claim.

Muslims assert that there is nothing explicit in Jesus' statement. For instance, Muslims claim that all prophets were the way, the truth and the life since they conveyed the only true religion from God to men. Hence, they were the only way to God since any other message that contradicted theirs would be false. Typical of such a view is Dr. Jamal Badawi. In one of his programs, Badawi claims:

In fact this was an answer given by Jesus to Thomas when he asked him the way. This statement has nothing to do with the divinity of Jesus, if we refer to John 14:7, if you had known me you would have known my father also. In the context of this statement, we can understand what Jesus meant when he said that he was the way, the truth, and the light. Whoever knows, obeys, and follows me knows and obeys God because it is He who sent me. This statement attributed to Jesus applies to every Prophet and messenger because the Prophet is not following his own whim or ideas, he is following the revelation of God. (Source)

In light of Badawi's claims we will examine John 14:6 and ask the following questions. Is it true that Jesus' statement simply meant that he conveyed God's truth to man like the other true prophets of God? Does any other prophet apply these specific titles to describe himself the way Jesus did? Did Muhammad believe or claim to be an infallible guide like Jesus, and hence it can be said that he also was the way, the truth and the life?

Sam or Frosbel should tell us if the truth conveyed by each prophet to the audience he spoke to is less Truth or it has any deficiency compared to the truth conveyed by Jesus to his audience? Did Jesus say the messages of the prophets before him are now irrelevant to his followers, even though he lived under the same messages and the laws of these past prophets? Are we to say that Jesus warning to all his listeners and those who will come after them that no one shall abrogate or encourages even a jot of those laws and the prophets be abrogated not enough pointer to you; jews and the "followers" of Jesus through the disciples must also be christlike as regarding the laws and the prophets? Where therefore is your listening to Jesus when you now abrogate/abolish the laws and prophets rendering them useless because you now say both are nailed to the cross with the "accursed"? Every monotheistic religion, including christianity says it is Abrahamic.


It also says that Abraham is Friend of God. Further the jews and christians say that God spoke to Moses directly, even face to face, and even see some part of God if not the Whole. Jews and Christians also believe that Jacob wrestled with God and declared him a winner, overcoming God as well as man in the event. If I stop here to ask Frosbel if he truly can tell me which is the true Abrahamic religion of the 3 and why? Further are the other prophets, even Jesus not Friend of God, considering the fact that you claim Jesus is God; should he not be a friend of himself? Didn't God talk to Jesus face to face, even to the 12 disciples, the woman at the water well, etc, including many jews in Jerusalem, Galille, Nazareth, even Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary Margalline, even the governor of Israel, since you say Jesus was the Christian God? I know the Bible have Gods; all the children of Israel are Gods, the Bible declares.


We will have to say that the Bible is alluding to Jacob as father of God here. Definitely, the Bible is saying the Children of Israel are Gods. You can not dispute this. Jesus even made this statement to the jews, unless you wanna disagree with him? So now, is Jesus the only way to God, when he also said that all the children of Israel are Gods? Reality is different from fantasy; who is correct; you or Jesus? When is Jesus correct; You are Gods or I am the only way to God [you oh children of Israel]? Are we to assume that one of them is correct hence Jesus lied or that both of them are incorrect because they were made up by somebody who heaped them on the lips of Jesus? And as to Muhammad [as], the Quran declared him as the "messenger" of God. This is not to say there is no other messengers before him. That was his title of honor, however as Jesus was called Massiah [anointed/wiped over] because all prophets of God were anointed. Even the anti-christ is anointed/wiped over in not a good way. Muhammad [as] however is declared by the Quran as the "seal" cap/flap/cover, etc of prophets.


So there is no prophet and definitely messenger after him. This goes to show that the one expected to come after Jesus, who Jesus described as the comforter who will hear and say what he hears from God is Muhammad [as]. If you have any explanation to disprove me, please bring it forward while you explain how the other entity heard from God and say what he heard, including all the functions he was to performed at the time he will appear to listeners, followers and communities. Jesus said he will return immediately before he left. You are still expecting him in the light of the "immediately", we have to say Muhammad [as] came at the expected him because he was able to correct mistakes, led to all truth, provide more information as Jesus had left some information without given all to the people of little faith he dealt with. Jesus said the hour is near; that was over 2000 years ago and Alhamdulillah the hour had not came when Muhammad [as] arrived to correct mistakes and fulfilled the functions of the another comforter.


Finally Quran declared that the religion under Muhammad [as] is perfect and a favor on man and if any chooses any other religion/way it will rejected and shall not be accepted. This is to be indicating that from that point on, Muhammad [as], is the way, the life the truth and no one goes to God upon knowing this about Muhammad, except such a person does by following Muhammad [as]. This is pretty straight forward. What do you say, frosbel?

First, it must be stated that Jesus' words do not simply mean that he pointed the way to heaven and conveyed God's true religion to man. Jesus was making claims that only God could make and which no other prophet would dare claim. For instance, Jesus claimed to be the Life, a quality which is predicated to God alone throughout the Holy Bible:

God would not say "No one comes to the father, but through me"! And about life; Quran declares that believers should hurry to Muhammad [as] when he calls them as that in itself as they listen and obey him will give them life.

"That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them." Deuteronomy 30:20 KJV

In the New Testament, we read "Jesus Your Servant who You sent". This simply tells us the position of Jesus. Jesus said "Your Lord and my Lord, your God and my God".

"And Joshua said, "Hereby you shall know that the living God is among you, and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Per'izzites, the Gir'gashites, the Amorites, and the Jeb'usites." Joshua 3:10

Was Jesus among them, then? He wasn't. Prove me wrong.

"For with thee is the fountain of life; in thy light do we see light." Psalm 36:9

"The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, that one may avoid the snares of death." Proverbs 14:27

Frosbel, where is Jesus here? These were conversation about God, not about Jesus, His Servant who He sent much much later.

"But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation. Jeremiah 10:10

The bold tells us Jesus is not God because according to sam, Jesus died and he also did not have a reign over any nation. Please provide proofs that I am wrong. Further, you believe that Jesus meek, not angry. So how does he have any "WRATH"? Earth quakes because of the wrath of the one that has no wrath, loving sinners and sinless/believers the same way?

According to the scriptures, Yahweh is the only source of life and is the only true God. Yet, both Jesus and his followers claimed that Christ is the source of life and that he is the true God:

[/quote]This is so untrue, as the one created can not be the source of life more than my father and mother being the source of life of their children? Are they really the source of my life, but God is, Ultimately? Imagine Jesus being the source of the life of Mary, his virgin mother, whose source of life was her parents? Imagine who is the source of life of Adam the father of all mankind; Jesus, son of Joseph, Jesus son of David, Jesus son of Abraham, Jesus son of God [4 different fathers] or God Almighty the Creator?

"In him was life, and the life was the light of men." John 1:4

Before Jesus there was life; All of in spiritual life and Adam and Eve in physical life. How honest is John?

"Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself, Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment." John 5:25-26, 28-29

The bold says hour; over 2000 years now and the hour has not arrived. Imagine how many minute was 610 years after the counting to the hour? It was just minutes. No wonder Muhammad [as] came to correct all the lies heaped on Jesus [as]. But is it possible for God to be granted life by Another God? Are there more than 1 God that you can have another, unless someone who is no God is tagged as God? Yes. The story of Jesus is a tag; a servant. Yes. The God. No.

Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again." Martha said to him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?" John 11:23-26

Moses brought a stick to become snake; completely 2 different things. The snake of Moses then ate all the other "snakes" and then Moses returned it to its former state; stick. Which is a greater miracle; merely raising a dead man to life or making a dry stick to an active live snake that ate all other snakes and then returned to stick?

But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and killed the Author of life, [b]whom God raised from the dead. [/b]To this we are witnesses." Acts 3:14-15

The bold proves that Jesus was not the Author of life, but God Who "Raised him" is, for there is no death for the Author of life. Yet those raised were dead before the Author of life raised them.

"When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory." Colossians 3:4

All the writers are already dead, though they were expecting Jesus to appear to rapture them. What is ironic about all of these is that Jesus himself never said any of them for he does not know even the hour, neither do the Angels, but God Almighty Alone knows.

"The saying is sure and worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. And I am the foremost of sinners; but I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience for an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. To the King of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen." 1 Timothy 1:15-17

The writer of Timothy never met him; had no direct authority from Jesus or God Who sent Jesus His slave. Jesus took instructions from God. Who did the writer of the above verse take instruction from, except writing his own desire, the reason for corruption which proves that it is not 100% word of God and another comforter like previous comforters must come to steer people to truth for the last time. Or was the writer of Timothy the another comforter, if you know what he corrected, please tell us? I know what another comforter corrected; Trinity is wrong. God is One without Jesus or Holy Spirit being God.

"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life- the life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us- that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ." 1 John 1:1-3

The writer of John is not a disciple, so how was he sure it was from the beginnig when he was not there prior to or at the beginning? How was he able to hear, be an eyewitness, looked and touched? If John was correct there would not have been many different "according to" gospels and definitely John will not be different from the other 3 Gospels. In fact it should have been 11 Gospels or 12; each a carbon copy of the other, since Jesus "Gospel" would have been the blue print/original or master Gospel, making all the 12 or 13 exactly alike. Further the Trinity is destroyed by the last 8 words of the verse.

"And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, to know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life." 1 John 5:20

Son whose mother is not the wife of the father has a name in my language; so there is a title for such parents. How many sons or begotten sons had the father? Is somebody not making up this idea? Can there be a proof otherwise?

Hence, Jesus does not simply point one to life, but he is the very eternal life itself that came from heaven to become man for our salvation. It is only through him that one inherits this life.

Life source does not die, the reason God does not die. Jesus died according to the Christian Bibles to show that he is not God. But death is not the only thing that makes God Unique; God does not pray or beg or depend on any. Jesus did each of these to show that he was not God. The Christian says Jesus came from heaven as if he jumped down [remember that the christians alsways say Quran was thrown, even though they know thing that honorable came from heaven does not have to be on earth in dishonorably way [Quran was brought by Jibril [as] as revelation spanning 23 years till the end of the life of the receiver, Muhammad [as]], forgetting that I accept that he came from heaven like all prophets among the children of Adam came from heaven, while their father and his wife Eve came down, descending after they have been expelled from paradise. Jesus was a fetus [like every fetus in the womb of mother] in the womb of Virgin Mary. He was delivered through birth canal; with all the blood, etc afterbirth. Suckled, learned to eat solid food, etc until he was able to go through life stages like every one of us. Is this God the Author of life? Absolutely not. Even Adam came out as fully matured. So was lady Eve, ready to be parents. And at long last their progeny gave birth to Abraham the father of Jesus. Gave birth to David the father of Jesus. Gave birth to Joseph the father of Jesus. Did God give birth to Abraham or David or Joseph, each being the father of Jesus? If Jesus is son of God, what is Abraham or David or Joseph, each being the father of Jesus? Are Abraham or David or Joseph and "Jesus" brothers David also the grandfather of Jesus since he is also the father of Joseph? Is God the son of David if God is the father of Jesus? We see very clearly that a wrong statement brings about many possibilities to disprove it.

Furthermore, not only is God the source of life but he himself is the truth according to the Bible:

Is there a dispute about this? No. The dispute comes when you claim that Jesus is source of life or Jesus is God when we read that he is a servant sent as a prophet or claiming that Jesus is son of God when you can't claim that Mary is wife of God. But you know that a child born by a woman out of wedlock is a bastard. God has no reason to have a child but it is His Right to create, creating in any fashion He pleases; with or without father or with or without resources.

"Then they said to Jeremiah, `May the LORD be a true and faithful witness against us if we do not act according to all the word with which the LORD your God sends you to us." Jeremiah 42:5

So was Jesus the True and Faithful Witness in this verse? But God sees all. Nothing is hidden from Him. He knows all. Yet Jesus did not know or saw everything.

", they cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?" Revelation 6:10

Were they addressing Jesus the meek and gentle as a dove here or God Almighty Who destroyed the evil people with the flood in the time of Noah, Destroyed Pharaoh by another flood. Destroyed many nations; Hittattites, The Jebusites, even people and animals and crops of the city of Jericho and individual warlord like Goliath. Jesus is not this God. Jesus is meek so much that he was destroyed by evil people. They can't do that to God Who destroys evil people.

Interestingly, this is precisely how Jesus describes himself in the revelation the Apostle John received from Christ:

Unless these people were the "another comforter[s]", we have to believe that what Jesus said about himself while he was physical with them was correct. There is no way John who had little faith when he was with Jesus can now be changing what Jesus said to him and others by what he is now receiving alone. But even Jesus himself in the physical received from God. Why is John not receiving from God directly now? Why all of a sudden Jesus became God, except that people have made him into an idol writing all kinds of things to support this silly idea?

"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: ‘The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens. I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name’" Revelation 3:7-8

See what has developed by the bold; making Angels out of ordinary man? No surprise prophet based on the miracles performed through his hands by God, he has been made God!

"And to the angel of the church in La-odice'a write: 'The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation." Revelation 3:14

Does this make any sense?

We are told that early in Islamic history, one Sufi named Al-Hallaj (858-922 A.D.) made similar claims by saying, "I am the Truth." In 922 A.D. Muslims crucified and branded him a heretic for this claim. The reason that motivated the killing was based on the fact that one of Allah's 99 names is Al-Haqq (The Truth), with another being Al-Hayy (The Living):

And the faces shall be humbled before the Living, the Self-subsistent God, and he who bears iniquity is indeed a failure, Supremely exalted is therefore Allah, the King, the Truth, and do not make haste with the Quran before its revelation is made complete to you and say: O my Lord! increase me in knowledge. S. 20:110, 114 Shakir

Muslims realized that Al-Hallaj's claim of being the Truth was the same as claiming to be God. Hence, for Jesus to claim to be both the Truth and the Life is equivalent to saying that he is God.

Allah is Mumin. Believer is mumin, too. Muhammad [as] is raufun and rahim. Allah is Gafur and Rahim. All Muslims understand the above but disagree with giving the Honor of God to mere mortals; including Jesus, Muhammad [as to both] or anyone, including Melchizedek who had no family, no beginning or end [I guess he is still somewhere here according to the bibles].

Furthermore, in the hadith we discover that Muhammad consistently applied these titles to God alone. One never finds these titles applied to Muhammad:

Quran; Chapter 9 verse 128 says Muhammad [as] is raufun rahim. Allah is Rauf. Rahim. However what Allah is are at least in 99 ways, Uniquely different and Absolute from each of us, including Jesus.

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet used to invoke Allah at night, saying, "O Allah: All the Praises are for You: You are the Lord of the Heavens and the Earth. All the Praises are for You; You are the Maintainer of the Heaven and the Earth and whatever is in them. All the Praises are for You; You are the Light of the Heavens and the Earth. Your Word is the Truth, and Your Promise is the Truth, and the Meeting with You is the Truth, and Paradise is the Truth, and the (Hell) Fire is the Truth, and the Hour is the Truth. O Allah! I surrender myself to You, and I believe in You and I depend upon You, and I repent to You and with You (Your evidences) I stand against my opponents, and to you I leave the judgment (for those who refuse my message). O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public. You are my only God (Whom I worship) and there is no other God for me (i.e. I worship none but You)." (Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 482)

The first bold disqualifies Jesus who has not fulfilled his only return to the earth and definitely to the disciples. The second bold applies to Jesus in the Lord's Prayer which he prayed with his disciples in the "Forgive us our sins . . .". Jesus is also applied the third bold to himself as he prayed and worshiped God in his night prayer at Gethsemane.

Narrated Sufyan:

(regarding the above narration) that the Prophet added, "You are the Truth, and Your Word is the Truth." (Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 483)

Muhammad claims that God and his Word are the truth. Furthermore, Muhammad affirms that God is both the Sustainer of the universe and the One who can forgive sins, especially Muhammad's sins. In stark contrast to Muhammad, Jesus never asked for forgiveness but claimed that he is the One that forgives sinners as well as the One who holds the entire universe together. That Jesus was clearly aware that he was sinless becomes apparent from the following passages:

The bold is a wishful thinking of the christians because they conveniently forget that Jesus said the Lord's prayer which includes "seeking forgiveness". Allah says seek forgiveness. Jesus said "forgive us". Who is God between the two and who is servant who must obey all commands and even pray for forgiveness? I don't feel like over doing it, I could have analyze each false statement about Jesus coming from the Christians. Are we not grateful to God for sending to us the prophet, the another comforter who heard and repeated and demonstrated what God said and commanded?

"He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood." John 7:18

Is this not disputing Jesus the one sent as the Sender?

"And he who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what is pleasing to him, Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me?" John 8:29, 46

We see that the Sender is different from the one sent.

Since Jesus is the only one without sin, he alone is qualified to be the Savior from sin:

How do you come to this conclusion?

", she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21

Saving people from sin makes the one saving sinless? Muhammad [as] saved his people from the greatest sin of all; idolatry into belief of God The Almighty. Is Muhammad [as] not sinless by your Biblical standard, above?

And when he returned to Caper'na-um after some days, it was reported that he was at home. And many were gathered together, so that there was no longer room for them, not even about the door; and he was preaching the word to them. And they came, bringing to him a paralytic carried by four men. And when they could not get near him because of the crowd, they removed the roof above him; and when they had made an opening, they let down the pallet on which the paralytic lay. And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "My son, your sins are forgiven." Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, "Why does this man speak thus? It is blasphemy! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit [/b]that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, "Why do you question thus in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Rise, take up your pallet and walk'? [b]But that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins"- he said to the paralytic- "I say to you, rise, take up your pallet and go home." And he rose, and immediately took up the pallet and went out before them all; so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, "We never saw anything like this!" Mark 2:1-12

No one including Jesus noticed the destruction of the roof, it seems, going to the fact that Jesus didn't know everything. Muhammad [as] confirmed at 10 of his followers to be people of Paradise in their lifetime. He also confirmed some people to be people who will never enter Paradise among the people of Madina. Does any of these make Muhammad [as] The God he worshiped, even though he heard from God and spoke what he heard to man? No. If both can't make him God, can Jesus be God by simply forgiving the sin then, not the sin of the future and definitely not guarantying entry to Paradise. You will therefore notice that both are each in their restrictive roles. Yet neither is God, even if you say the sin of a man is forgiven or greater he enter paradise.

The scribes rightly surmised that only God could forgive sins. If Jesus was not God, he was obligated to clarify his meaning and correct them for misunderstanding his point. Instead, he reinforces their claim by healing the paralytic, something that clearly affirmed his authority to forgive sins.

This is not true because Jesus said he has a God. His disciples said he has a God. There is no way that God will say there is another God apart from Him and those who truly believe in God will say that their God has another God. If either condition occurs, then we have a non God, If both conditions occur we definitely have a non God, too.

They said to the woman, "It is no longer because of your words that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world." John 4:42

How is he the savior of the world? I hope I can have a chance to analyze your "truth".

"If any one hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world." John 12:47

The world here is the children of Israel he was sent by his own statement to shepherd her lost sheep. How was he sent to the igbos, the ebiras, the ibibios, the wolofs, etc?

"And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son as the Savior of the world." 1 John 4:14

When it is impossible to accept, Jesus is not God but son. Yet no one can say Mary is wife of God or that Adam who did not have a mother in addition not having a father is son of God. Adam is a degree higher than Jesus in fatherless and or fatherless creation of human beings. I think the christians forget conveniently the Absolute Ability and Power of God. Including His Absolute Right to create in any way that pleases Him; with or without father. Even with or without mother and father. Even from a small part of a male or female.

"And Jesus came and said to them, `All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me, and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.'" Matthew 28:18, 20

Yet satan the accursed was able to tell Jesus the same exact thing about power and or ownership of the earth, when he told Jesus to bow to him. It was bow satan said and Jesus considered it worship. Imagine when Jesus bowed to God all night, yet the christian said Jesus did not worship God.

The fact that all authority in heaven and earth belongs to Christ implies that Jesus sovereignly controls the entire universe:

Satan said to Jesus that he satan was the authority on earth, even over Jesus. Jesus didn't say to him he was the one with the authority, but said God is the Owner of Authority. Who is the liar; the writers telling us Jesus is the owner of authority or Jesus who said God Who is not on earth is? Who is on the side of the accursed satan the liar; the writers who are saying Jesus is the authority or Jesus who said God is the Authority?

", for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Colossians 1:16-17

The bold is a complete lie. Jesus was even created through virgin Mary his mother, just like I was created through my mother. Did Jesus create anything? If Moses did not create the snake, how did Jesus create anything? If anything was created through Jesus, was the snake not created Moses? Was Jesus better in any significant degree over any prophet? No.

"He reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, " Hebrews 1:3

And the Majesty on High is at the left hand of Jesus? See how ridiculous the proposition that someone is putting forth in the Bibles in effort to make Jesus look good, but disrespecting God his Master. Many of you found Jesus but lost God in the process, whereby we in Islam [Alhamdulillah] found God and thereby understand the honored place of Jesus.

Muhammad also denied being the way since he himself prayed to God to constantly guide him on the true path:

How did Muhammad [as] denied being the way just because he prayed to God for guidance on the true path? Didn't Jesus pray the same prayer, at least once that we know about, if not constantly? We must not forget that the followers of Jesus are people of little faith in Jesus and even so in God if we take the word of the Bible for it. Muhammad [as] was surrounded by people who took notes of even minute details of his life knowing fully well that there will never in human history a prophet like him who is the comforter to all. If Jesus prayed once, believe me, it should be accepted that he prayed all the time. Remember the Lord's Prayer? Remember the night vigil at the Gethsemane? These 2 were ways of prophets; praying to God constantly and asking Him for Mercy, Guidance. If only the disciples really had faith based on the Bibles we would have read about the constant night prayers of Jesus. I was talking to friends the other day; I asked how did the slumbering disciples know what Jesus said in his night vigil at Gethsemane, so much so that they were able to note that in that blackness of night his sweat and or tears were like BLOOD? No one answered. Does God Almighty sweat or weep? Impossible and now it is fantastic tale.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful:
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, The Beneficent, the Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgment, Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help. Show us the straight path (Ihdinas Siraatal Mustaqiim), The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray. Pickthall

This is a prayer that is superior and more complete than any other. This is a prayer that comes from sincere servants; those who obey Him. And Allah answers by the whole of Quran; from Baqarah to Naas. All gives the full road map from start to finish of how to reach victory with Him. He provides what to avoid and the benefit of the avoidance by given us the result of those who didn't be fore us.

Muhammad, as do all Muslims, always began his prayer with this chapter, Surat ul-Faitha. The phrase, "Show us the straight path" has been translated differently by various Islamicists:

"Show us the straight way, " Yusuf Ali
"Guide us to the straight path , " N.J. Dawood

"Guide us the straight way , " Muhammad Asad

"Guide us to the Straight Way." Hillali-Khan

"Guide Thou us on the straight path , " J.M. Rodwell

"Guide us along the Straight Road , " T.B. Irving

"Keep us on the right path." Shakir

No matter which of the above translations one accepts, the thing that stands out is that Muhammad could not be the way if he himself needed to be guided on the path. If one accepts the translation of Ali, Dawood, Hillali-Khan and Pickthall, then this implies that Muhammad was uncertain of the path and needed God to constantly guide him on the way. If we accept the translations of Asad, Irving, Rodwell, and Shakir then Muhammad was uncertain of his salvation and feared the possibility that he would fall from the favor of God. This fact is brought out in both the Quran and the hadith:

And surely they had purposed to turn you away from that which We have revealed to you, that you should forge against Us other than that, and then they would certainly have taken you for a friend. And had it not been that We had already established you, you would certainly have been near to incline to them a little; In that case We would certainly have made you to taste a double (punishment) in this life and a double (punishment) after death, then you would not have found any helper against Us. 17:73-75 Shakir

The bold undermines anything the christians could say about the situation of Muhammad [as] about straight path or not. God says He has already established Muhammad [as]. Those who doubt the position of Muhammad [as] therefore doubt God. Muhammad [as] in all intent and purposes is obeying God; then living the perfect example for those who are his followers in the matters of obeying God. A very interesting thing happened in the life of Muhammad that we in Islam use even today; He led asr prayers. He made 2 rakat instead of 4. A man asked if this is the new way to make asr, instead of 4 rakat. Muhammad [as] reentered the salah to make 2 more and then from sitting position made 2 additional prostration [Sajdah sawm; prostration of forgetting]. After he came out of the salah, he told the community that Allah made him forget so that Allah can teach the ummah how to correct their prayers. Muhammad is definitely the perfect end to prophetic office. Hardly anything Jesus did do the christians do today; even what he ate or what he wore or his prophetic way, including keeping the beard, circumcision or the shaving clean of the pubic hairs. We in Islam do these things because before Jesus did it; Abraham, Moses, etc [as] did them and Muhammad [as] stayed on these qualities and told us to do them, too. Is Jesus the way to follow? Not now, but in his time he was. Muhammad [as] is today the way, the light, the truth, the guidance bringer from God. I swear that no one alive today can get to God on the day of Judgment, if he heard about Islam of Muhammad, Quran given to Muhammad and definitely Muhammad ibn Abdallah [as] yet rejecting him for any prophet before Muhammad. Such a person has unknowingly in full ignorance rejected the prophet he thinks he is following. Jesus will reject such a person on the day of Judgment since he already said he will reject some who come to him.

These are very harsh words and seem to assert that Muhammad was uncertain about his role at times.

Just the same way the Bibles make Jesus to be unsure who he was or what his role is; a prophet sent to his tribal people by God or God Who created all? A son of his mother or the Creator who made his mother get pregnant? Muhammad [as] knew who he was and no muslim has a different opinion and still remain a muslim. The christians have groups who say Jesus was only a son and not God. Yet others argue differently. But all are wrong because there is no messenger/prophet with revelation who will claim other than what he was told. And we see that Jesus never claimed he is God, but people claimed it for him; I believe he will deny these people before God.

That Muhammad was uncertain about his destiny, having doubts about his own calling, is further highlighted by the following verses:

I am certain about his destination. Many muslims are certain about their destination. A friend on mine lost his father this past wednesday. The father told his children that if they obey Allah in belief and worship and deeds, they will InshaAllah see him in Paradise. Muhammad [as] told at least 10 of his followers that they will enter paradise. God said that all those who fought along Muhammad [as] in Badr have received forgiveness; they could even do what they want. Yet none of them waiver from obedience because Allah made their hearts firm in obedience.

(It is) a Scripture that is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) - SO LET THERE BE NO HEAVINESS IN THY HEART THEREFROM - that thou mayst warn thereby, and (it is) a Reminder unto believers. S. 7:2 Pickthall

Remember that Allah loves believers. Believers are different from disbelievers only on belief.

And if thou (Muhammad) ART IN DOUBT concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, FOR THEN WERT THOU OF THE LOSERS. S. 10:94-95 Pickthall

Read the verse, again and note that it is the ending of a story of the trial of the children of Israel and the destruction of Pharaoh. Allah telling Muhammad [as] to ask the people of the Books [previous revelations; Taurah, Sabur and Injil of Moses, David and Jesus [as]] and not the "bibles" of the christians or the books of the jews who have bastardized these revealed texts, to know that this great event took place and perchance. You will see that this "asking" the people of the books actually answers the lies of the Jews and Christians who say Muhammad copied their books or Muhammad was told by people. I bet the story, especially when the Quran says Pharaoh was turning to a believer in the face of death is definitely different from the narratives of the jews and the christians. When the Quran says the body of Pharaoh was saved for future generations to see that is definitely different from what the jews and the christians stand on. Yet it is the facts in the Quran that is 100% about the death and definitely present day discovery of the body of that very Pharaoh in human history.

Say: "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the messengers, NOR DO I KNOW WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH ME OR WITH YOU. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear." S. 46:9

God told him. He merely repeated it. Remember the another comforter to hear and repeat? That is Muhammad [as].

Muhammmad couldn't guarantee his own salvation, let alone the salvation of others, a point reiterated in the following hadiths:

If Muhammad [as] does not enter Paradise first, Jesus can never enter it. No one that ever walked this earth and or ate ever will lead Muhammad [as] in the matters of Paradise. They will follow him, without any doubt, by Allah.

Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise." (i.e., None can enter Paradise through his good deeds.) They (the Prophet's companions) said, 'Not even you, O Allah's Apostle?' He said, "Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me." So be moderate in your religious deeds and do the deeds that are within your ability: and none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah." (Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 70, Number 577)

And Allah has bestowed His FAVOR and MERCY on Muhammad [as]. Muhammad was described as the best example to take. Allah says Muhammad [as] shall succeed. Allah says Muhammad is kindness and forgiveness for believers. Where are these disbelievers going with their insincerity?

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The deeds of anyone of you will not save you (from the (Hell) Fire)." They said, "Even you (will not be saved by your deeds), O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "No, even I (will not be saved) unless and until Allah bestows His Mercy on me. Therefore, do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately, and worship Allah in the forenoon and in the afternoon and during a part of the night, and always adopt a middle, moderate, regular course whereby you will reach your target (Paradise)." (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 470)

Did Allah bestow His Mercy on Muhammad [as]? Of course. This is different than killing a human being and yet not everyone can escape the wrath of Yahweh.

Narrated 'Um al-'Ala:

An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. 'Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um al-'Ala's family), 'Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Apostle! But who else is worthy of it (if not 'Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for 'Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Apostle and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds." (Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 266)

Has ALlah not affirmed success on Muhammad [as] righteous Muslims? Or who the christians; Sam and Frosbel think Paradise in Quran is meant for? Allah's messenger [as] cautioned believers for not following in arrogance and confirm the near future because it has not come. So confirming the result of the day of Judgment is something that only God has control over. Jesus for example wished death for himself according to the Bibles. He designated Judas Iscariot to betray him, instead of just marching forward and safe the guy from betraying him, since this is what the Christians say that Jesus came to do. Yet can anyone of you christians tell me that Judas Iscariot is in Paradise for obeying Jesus to the letter by betraying him? Did Jesus confirm to you that Judas is in Christian heaven, already?

And Muhammad is no more than an apostle; the apostles have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful. S. 3:144 Shakir

The bold shows that following Muhammad [as] is the only profitable thing to do. Read what follows; Allah will reward the grateful [those who are steadfast in Islam, following Muhammad [as]].

Say: If I err, I err only against my own soul, and if I follow a right direction, it's because of what my Lord reveals to me; surely He is Hearing, Nigh. S. 34:50 Shakir

Is the right direction in the Quran? Yes and Muhammad [as] followed it and lived it so much clear to all who followed his leadership that they recorded and told us everything, as they all agree with right direction in the Quran. We also the greatest of wrong direction which he shunned. Its called shirk.

Interestingly, the Quran provides examples of Muhammad erring and having to repent as a result of it:

Lo! We reveal unto thee the Scripture with the truth, that thou mayst judge between mankind by that which Allah showeth thee. And be not thou a pleader for the treacherous; And seek forgiveness of Allah. Lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. [quote]And plead not on behalf of (people) who deceive themselves. Lo! Allah loveth not one who is treacherous and sinful.

S. 4:105-107 Pickthall

See how kind and merciful Muhammad [as] was even to those he pleaded to God on their behalf? These were the people who clearly deceived themselves. Did any prophet pleaded to God on behalf of anyone who deceived himself? Jesus did not plead to God against anyone of such quality in the Bibles. If you know any who deceived himself that Jesus pleaded to God on his behalf, let us know.

Allah forgive thee (O Muhammad)! Wherefor didst thou grant them leave ere those who told the truth were manifest to thee and thou didst know the liars? S. 9:43 Pickthall

This is a great honor from God. He forgave him for pleading for liars, as Allah is the Only One Who knows liars from those who are telling the truth. Muhammad [as] couldn't truly read mind, just like Jesus didn't know the future.

Then have patience (O Muhammad). Lo! the promise of Allah is true. And ask forgiveness of thy sin, and hymn the praise of thy Lord at fall of night and in the early hours. S. 40:55 Pickthall

Was the above, pleading for those who deceived themselves the sins of Muhammad [as] or you have other sins to share, oh sam and frosbel?

So know (O Muhammad) that there is no Allah save Allah, and ask forgiveness FOR THY SIN

and for believing men and believing women

. Allah knoweth (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest. S. 47:19 Pickthall

I bet Allah honored Muhammad [as] by the bold, certainly granting his request since He is the One that commanded it. Did Jesus asked forgiveness for christians or did he call the christians "believing men and believing women" even though we all agree that he did not start christianity and never heard the word christians before God lifted him to Himself?

Lo! We have given thee (O Muhammad) a signal victory, That Allah may forgive thee of thy sin that which is past and that which is to come, [/b]and may [b]perfect His favour unto thee, and may guide thee on a right path, S. 48:1-2 Pickthall

Anyone who is told of his future like this is at least equal if not better than the best before this announcement from God. He is given a signal victory or signal for victory. He has receive favor, a perfect favor and has been promised to be made firm on the right path. Is there anyone better than this very person God has spoken this much about? By Allah, there is no man better than him.

It is little wonder that Muhammad specifically stated that he could save no one from God's punishment:

God promises many times in the Quran that Paradise is the place He will lodge believing Muslims; males and females. The absolute duty of Muhammad [as], like that of Jesus is as servant sent to deliver messages. The Master is the Only One Who knows the conditions of the hearers of the messages delivered by messengers. The Messengers of God were guaranteed forgiveness, success on the day of Judgment; Adam [as] is guaranteed paradise because God had forgiven him. Moses who Yahweh was planning to kill until his wife exposed her hair to save her husband was also forgiven by Allah. So was Jonah who was not going to deliver his message. Allah is Most Forgiven, Most Merciful. If you think Muhammad [as] is not assured of Paradise, who do you think Jannah will house; christians and jews and others and not Muslims, including those who were muslims with the previous prophets, including the muslim helpers of Jesus [Surah Maidah]?

Narrated Abu Huraira:
When Allah revealed the Verse: "Warn your nearest kinsmen," Allah's Apostle got up and said, "O people of Quraish (or said similar words)! Buy (i.e. save) yourselves (from the Hellfire) as I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment; O Bani Abd Manaf! I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment, O Safiya, the Aunt of Allah's Apostle! I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment; O Fatima bint Muhammad! Ask me anything from my wealth, but I cannot save you from Allah's Punishment." (Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 51, Number 16)

Can anyone save anyone if Allah wishes to punish him? Absolutely not. All you have to do is to look at the condition of Biblical Jesus; Yahweh according to the Bible wanted him slaughtered. Jesus begged as hard as he can. Yet Yahweh got him killed.

Muhammad was simply an ordinary sinful mortal like the rest of us:

No. By Allah you and I are not like Muhammad [as] in the exact same way we are not like Jesus. You may say Jesus was not sinful if you look at the Bibles. However from the Bibles Jesus was so sinful it is sickening; From his own mouth; don't call anyone a fool because you will go to hell for it. Jesus later called a man, a people fool[s]. How about calling people dogs? How about calling people vipers? How about cursing a tree? Imagine if it was Muhammad [as] that did any or all of them? Imagine that.

Say: I do not control any benefit or harm for my own soul except as Allah please; and had I known the unseen I would have had much of good and no evil would have touched me; I am nothing but a warner and the giver of good news to a people who believe. 7:188 Shakir

Was Jesus better? Absolutely not since evil touched him by the hands of the jews. I am sure no one of you will say that Jesus will say about his hanging that that was a nice way to die? Or do you find crucifixion a good way to die over dying on your bed?

Muhammad cannot benefit himself nor does he have knowledge of the unseen. In fact, Muhammad constantly prayed for his own salvation, and the Quran commands Muslims to pray for his salvation and well-being:

Jesus was not able to benefit himself and did not know the unseen [future]. Sometimes, the christians in their haste to score points will shoot themselves down. I am certain when Jesus was begging Yahweh, it was an indication that he was interested in dying. I wonder who owned the final decision; Jesus who didn't want to die or Yahweh Who wanted him dead by hanging?

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Prophet used to say, "O Allah! I seek refuge with You from incapacity and laziness, from cowardice and geriatric old age, and seek refuge with You from the punishment of the grave, and I seek refuge with You from the afflictions of life and death." (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 37cool

a great prayer. This shows reverence to God. Pure submission to His Will. Those who are full of arrogance will not understand it. But I bet they can realize that if Jesus had been granted his prayers at Gethsemane, he would have lived beyond 33, even to say 60 years? 60 years to some is old age and to me here and now is still middle age if not young age, still.

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet used to say, "O Allah! I seek refuge with You from laziness from geriatric old age, from being in debt, and from committing sins. O Allah! I seek refuge with You from the punishment of the Fire, the afflictions of the grave, the punishment in the grave, and the evil of the affliction of poverty and from the evil of the affliction caused by Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal. O Allah! Wash away my sins with the water of snow and hail, and cleanse my heart from the sins as a white garment is cleansed of filth, and let there be a far away distance between me and my sins as You have set far away the East and the West from each other." (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 386)

These are noble requests. Muhammad [as] has long passed and Massiha aldajjal is not here yet. We also know from his hadith that he will not be here when Jesus and massiha aldajjal both are here [I pray i am not here, even though I will want to live till 120 years old. Amin]. What i gather from these are that Muhammad [as] laid down example of good and complete believe and trust in God for all those who shall follow him. May Allah count me and all muslims alive today among this group. Amin. And our family and loved ones. Amin.

"Lo! Allah and his angels pray (Arabic- yasalluuna) for the Prophet. O ye that believe! Pray for him (salluu alayhi) and salute him with all respect (sallimuu tasliimaa)." S. 33:56

The prayer of Allah on Muhammad [as] is not like the prayer of humans on Muhammad [as]. Who is all prayers about Muhammad [as] directed to but Allah Himself. The Prayers of Allah on Muhammad [as] is to Himself as He Allah the Almighty confers goodness from Himself on Muhammad [as]. He Allah is Enough as a Witness and a Guarantor of the success of Muhammad [as]. Allah commands the Angels to pray for Muhammad [as] supplicating good from Allah for him. In my own humble opinion, it is similar to honor that Adam [as] received when Allah commanded the Angels to prostrate to Adam. The prayer and salutation that are commanded on believers are primarily benefiting the muslims; it is obedience to Allah and therefore he reaps benefit from it, allowing himself to show love to Muhammad [as]. Is there a messenger [as] more beloved? The christians even say that the person they follow is cursed. What kind of good that can possibly come from such an evil statement?

We must ask how can Muhammad possibly benefit believers in the way Jesus does seeing that he constantly needs the prayers of his followers? Christians do not pray for Jesus, but pray to Jesus:

Better question is how can any benefit come from curse?

"And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it." John 14:13-14

How many a people or persons asking in Jesus name and are not granted? How many a people or persons not even asking and are granted? How have not heard of atheists who are billionaires; Ted Turner the founder of CNN on a junk bond, or Bill Gates the chairman of Microsoft? Have you not heard of Muslim billionaires who will never ask in the name of Jesus? Or have you not heard of jews who are successful and they hate Jesus?

The Quran goes on to say:

And they say: We will by no means believe in you until you cause a fountain to gush forth from the earth for us. Or you should have a garden of palms and grapes in the midst of which you should cause rivers to flow forth, gushing out. Or you should cause the heaven to come down upon us in pieces as you think, or bring Allah and the angels face to face (with us). Or you should have a house of gold, or you should ascend into heaven, and we will not believe in your ascending until you bring down to us a book which we may read. Say: Glory be to my Lord; am I aught but a mortal apostle? 17:90-93 Shakir

The arabs were more stiff necked than the jews in the time of Jesus; or was Jesus not a mere mortal, since Immortal does not die?

Say: I am only a mortal like you; it is revealed to me that your god is one God, therefore whoever hopes to meet his Lord, he should do good deeds, and not join any one in the service of his Lord. 18:110 Shakir

And they say: Why are not signs sent down upon him from his Lord? Say: The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner. Is it not enough for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe. 29:50-51 Shakir

See that Muhammad [as] like Jesus and previous prophets [as] is commanded to say God is One? Sign or sings are by Allah and no one has right over it; Jesus tried with sign similar to Jonah in the belly of the whale and he was unable to make the 3 nights and 3 days.

Since he was simply human, he eventually had to die like all men. In fact, Muhammad's death caused much shock and trauma to those who loved him:

i bet the death of Jesus didn't cause shock or trauma to those who say they loved him? They were not there because they took to the hills, saving their own skins!

Narrated 'Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) Allah's Apostle died while Abu Bakr was at a place called As-Sunah (Al-'Aliya) 'Umar stood up and said, "By Allah! Allah's Apostle is not dead!" 'Umar (later on) said, "By Allah! Nothing occurred to my mind except that." He said, "Verily! Allah will resurrect him and he will cut the hands and legs of some men." Then Abu Bakr came and uncovered the face of Allah's Apostle, kissed him and said, "Let my mother and father be sacrificed for you, (O Allah's Apostle), you are good in life and in death. By Allah in Whose Hands my life is, Allah will never make you taste death twice." Then he went out and said, "O oath-taker! Don't be hasty." When Abu Bakr spoke, 'Umar sat down. Abu Bakr praised and glorified Allah and said, No doubt! Whoever worshiped Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but whoever worshiped Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die." Then he recited Allah's Statement.:-- "(O Muhammad) Verily you will die, and they also will die." (39.30) He also recited:-- "Muhammad is no more than an Apostle; and indeed many Apostles have passed away, before him, If he dies Or is killed, will you then Turn back on your heels? And he who turns back On his heels, not the least Harm will he do to Allah And Allah will give reward to those Who are grateful." (3.144), Then Abu Bakr led the people to True Guidance and acquainted them with the right path they were to follow so that they went out reciting:- "Muhammad is no more than an Apostle and indeed many Apostles have passed away before him." (3.144) (Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 19)




Again, we see a major difference between Jesus and Muhammad. Since Muhammad is dead, he cannot benefit anyone. Yet, as Abu Bakr rightly concluded, only the Living One is worthy of worship. According to the NT, Jesus is the Living One:

By Allah, the NT lied because it says Jesus died on the cross, while it forgets that The One Who is the Living One is the One that never dies. From the Quran we know that God never dies. We also know that Jesus will return and will disagree with the NT and all the christians and aligning with the muslims of Muhammad [as] in everything, including things about himself.

"When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying, `Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the Living One; I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.'" Revelation 1:17-18

Pure hallucination. What Jesus didn't have the authority to say in blood, bones and flesh are being said for him when he is not available to tell them that they are liars and on their own in deceit. How is Jesus the first and last when he was only a word, like the rest of us who existed by Allah merely commanding it? How is he last even human authority from God when another comforter is clearly after Jesus was lifted up? This story here about Jesus is similar to those "muslims" who became disbelievers because some jinn appeared to them and they immediately say; oh its Jesus.

Since Muhammad clearly denied that he could benefit anyone and also denied being the door for believers to enter through, he cannot be the way and the truth and the life. This honor belongs to Christ alone:

Jesus also fall in the first bold by saying "of my own power, I can do nothing. . . ", proving that he is not God since God is the Only One Who can absolutely so all things by His Own Power. And to the second bold, as it is Quran that is the Book that believers [Muminu, Muslimu males and females follow], we know that the one who it is revealed to is worthy of the door as God has made him the door. Is Jesus the one Quran is revealed to or it is Muhammad [as] between 610 and 633? Allah says Jesus was a muslim. 2 functions of Jesus [as] to confirm the torah as valid document upon the the children of Israel who were supposed to carry true faith to others, until Allah shall raise from mankind the another comforter for the final revelation and to announce the final prophet's coming who he called Ahmad [as]. Only disbelievers can say Muhammad [as] is not a benefit to believers of the Quran.

"So Jesus again said to them, `Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers; but the sheep did not heed them. I am the door; if any one enters by me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.'" John 10:7-10

Adam [as] the first man to be forgiven, Enoch, Noah [as] who mankind was destroyed and reconstituted upon, Abraham [as] the Friend of God and father of faith, Moses [as] who decimated Pharaoh, David [as] who killed Goliath, Solomon [as] the wise, Elijah [as] who was taken up without dying, the bone of the dead Elisha [as] raise up a dead man, John [as] never sinned. Are these men the thieves and robbers? Alhamdullah Muhammad [as] came after Jesus and Jesus prophesied that an another comforter will come after him. You can claim that it is the holy ghost that is the another comforter. But you must pay attention to the qualification of the another comforter while the holy ghost has been around before anyone including before Jesus among mankind. How is the christian holy ghost who is also God in the Trinity concept is now going to be just hear from God, a member of the Trinity to talk to humans, like a mere "Prophet"? How soon the disciples forgot that they needed the holy ghost to be the another comforter to correct them? How many holy ghosts were there in the Bibles?

Jesus is both the door to salvation and the source of abundant life. [b]In relation to the OT prophets none of them claimed to be the source of life or the door of salvation. [/b]In fact, the OT prophets all died in the expectation that the One who was to bring salvation to all flesh would shortly come into the world for all to see. This was the One in whom they awaited and were trusting in for their salvation:

Maybe you can show us who was saved before Jesus and how, if Moses was not a salvation source, then we can expect to see him, Aaron, Joshua in the same place that we hope Pharaoh will end up is what you are saying? Funny. Ironically, the disciples of Jesus died expecting his return! I guess he was not the Decider, after all.

"But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. Truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it." Matthew 13:16-17

After all of these, the disciples were people of little faith; can you trust people of little faith, bad student of great teacher or do you dispute with Jesus about their faith? Allah elevated Muhammad [as] so much so that Jesus [as] was sent to announce that he will be coming in the future. Was Jesus sent to announce the coming of anyone else but Muhammad [as] who was recorded from the lips of Jesus of the Bibles as "another comforter"?

"You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." John 5:39-40

How does a powerless man gives life? We know he can't. Only God in heaven gives life.

"grino not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; it is Moses who accuses you, on whom you set your hope. If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote of me." John 5:45-46

Muhammad [as] could easily say the bold because in Surah As Saffat, verse 6, Jesus was heralding the coming of Ahmad [as].

"Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad." John 8:56

One may ask where was the bold? But I do know that Allah says in Surah Isra that Muhammad [as] arrived in Jerusalem at night on the way to heavens. Jesus and all the past prophets [as] and Angel Gabriel all prayed behind him. This is reality instead of fantasy.

"The prophets who prophesied of the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired about this salvation; they inquired what person or time was indicated by the Spirit of Christ within them when predicting the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glory. It was revealed to them that they were[b] serving not themselves but you[/b], in the things which have now been announced to you by those who preached the good news to you through the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look." 1 Peter 1:10-12

Interesting that Angels live in heaven, hear the Voice of God, yet the opposite is what the above verse is telling us. Further, there are 2 spirits above; Jesus spirit and holy spirit. But can anyone put all the bold together as see if they fit? Who were the prophets in the first bold serving the followers of Jesus?

A Muslim might claim that Muhammad's requests to be guided on the right path or to be spared from wrath does not prove that he was uncertain of salvation. Rather, it simply points to his humbleness. The problem with this claim is that other prophets who were more humble than him never prayed to be guided on the right path since they knew that they were already on it. [/b]Furthermore, the fact that he would request to be guided aright implies that he did not trust God enough to know that the latter had called him to be his prophet and therefore assured his salvation. [b]This is not humbleness, but blasphemy!

Incidentally, 'guide to the straight path" is in the Quran surah Fatiha which Allah commands to be recited, and it is the foundation of every rakah of salaah. Was Jesus a believer in God when he said "why has Thou forsaken me"? Was Jesus not sure of his Lord when he said forgive us, deliver us from temptations [Alas! Jesus was led into temptations in the hands of satan the accursed]. How on earth do these people not know that the muslims have answer to every point raised because Allah open our hearts to faith, not like the disciples who have little faith?

In summary, we discovered that Jesus' statement that he is the way and the truth and the life does not simply mean that he points men to God's truth like the other prophets before him. We also discovered that no prophet ever applied the titles that Christ applied to himself, since had they done so this would have implied that they were claiming to be God. Finally, we saw that Muhammad's own words affirm that he could not have been the way, the truth and the life but was in need of the One who is the Life of all flesh. He, like the rest of us, needed the Savior whose name is Jesus Christ the Lord.

Please frosbel, tell sam not to forget that Jesus applied the title of powerless to himself, too, since we on speaking the truth. Jesus [as] announced the coming of Muhammad [as]. Did Jesus need as hi own savior the prophet [as] who announced his coming?

Finally, I have to thank Allah Who allowed me to respond to this piece. I have a joke that I will tell only at the right time for a good laugh.

^ hey babe [i could have said doll. that will be idolatry]. long time woman. how famly? i missed you. you or-aiight?

Aderibigbe Yusuf, self-employed: Yes, husband and wife can practise different religions as long as the understanding and fate that brought them together are intact and the woman is performing her duties as a wife in the house while the husband is equally up to the task. Also, a Yoruba adage says O jise kan, ko gbodo di ojise kan lowo meaning you must not disturb your fellow human being. A very good example is Mr Babatunde Fashola, Governor of Lagos State who is a Muslim while the wife is a Christian and they are living happily. So also is a family friend whom I know very well, the husband is a Muslim while the wife happens to be a Christian. The children go to church with their mother and the father is in support of this. They are living together happily.

A sincere muslim should be sad to see the bold. Its bad enough to marry a disbeliever. But to allow disbelief to cloth your bloodline, against the warning of God and the advise of the messenger [as] shows ignorance. A true muslim will choose a spouse foremost based on guidance before any of the other reasons. True belief will carry the day. You can be assured that by Mercy of God both of you and your children shall be united in Paradise. God may just bless you abundantly, giving you everything for choosing a believer.

@Emofine; good morning woman.

mazaje: Rivers of wine, rivers of honey, streets of gold, diamonds. . . .beautiful women creatures, beautiful garment, etc. . .


Does it not sound materialistic and vain? undecided For religions which mark materialism as a worldly vice, why then do their final destinations promise much of such in abundance? undecided

A baby in the mother's womb may say canned milk/creamer for your tea is materialist and vain, especially when he gets his nutrient from the womb. Lets make it easier; a little boy may say a wealthy man with just 2 fancy cars is so materialistic and vain. Wouldn't the baby in the womb and or the little boy be wrong in the eyes of the people on earth who can't eat from the womb any more and or the wealthy man who uses these cars as business tools? This is the position of paradise, its benefit to the fortunate inhabitants relative to what you are looking at on earth. I don't drink, for example, but the effect of alcohol, I bet is exciting in the proper setting; say between spouses. Most people avoid se.x before they able to handle it; say because it will affect the academic interest. But when the same person is successful and marries the most desired person in the community, the se.x with the spouse becomes a reward and those who have not or may never achieved to have such a spouse will say; thats vain, and or materialistic. It is a reward; muslims deserve it, if their God gives it to them for shunning the excesses and restrictions because it is commanded on them on earth.

What do you need rivers of honey, rivers of wine and lots of women for? There are many people that get all these things here on earth. . .The islamic heaven to me is just the fantasy of perverted men. . .The christian heaven the fantasy of persecuted and oppressed men. . .

Many of us restrict ourselves from acting out that perversion. If it is perversion here, can it be perversion in paradise, where the rule is changed, in the same way survival in womb is different in need and functions to the survival of people outside the womb? Maybe there is nothing called perversion in paradise since all conditions on earth will be irrelevant to the permanent condition of paradise. Jealousy is removed from the heart of the people of paradise, so is guilt, vanity, etc.

MyJoe: Hasn't the thread lost it's original focus and aren't you people twisting religious logic out of shape a bit?
Then please help me understand. I'm asking questions for people to clarify certain things which appear confusing.
Yes I’ve deviated somewhat. In fact I wish I just started a new thread altogether addressing this seeming contradiction of sorts but nevertheless here we are.

No mainstream religious text tells you to give up luxury. You are simply not to pursue them at the expense of following God. The logic behind these promises is that even if you miss them in this world you will get them in the next

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Lets try this logic as it will make it simple to digest; A little boy is told not to drive his father's 4 wheels drive however attractive it is, tempting to do, however. But if he waits until he is 6 ft tall, he will be big enough to see the road very clearly and be completely coordinated, with strength to steer the heavy vehicle to destination without getting to an accident. Shall we on his behalf or he on his own behalf speak ill of his father or the condition set forth before him so that he does not lose limbs or worse additionally damage the car, homes and other people if he drive as a 3 feet pint size man, instead of until when he is 6ft? Is it not a better thing for him to wait as dad suggested, at which time his father can give him a new mercedes benz because he has suddenly became a model child, the hope of the father in the first place? You appreciate beauty, according to you, emofine. You should appreciate this; the beauty of the young man, now, rather than the face smashed against the windshield 6 year old 3 footer kid. Paradise of the muslims is the end result of being obedience and God showers pleasure on those who obey.

I understand that certain things of the world could pose as a distraction and set the believer off course so certain things of this world are forbidden so as not to lead the believer astray. There are requirements that are expected of believers.
If gold streets (corresponding to the biblical description of heaven) and beautiful never-ending virgin female characters (corresponding to the Quaranic description of heaven) are rewards for remaining “righteous” and abstaining from the vices of this world – materialism - then does that not expose some contradiction and imperfection of the sought after utopia?
If one is not to be lured by the worldly pleasures in order to qualify an entry into a habitat that promises so much more of some of that pleasures – how does that separate the supposed “righteous” believer from the “heathen”?

I.e. on earth one must not drink wine because one has been promised if they abstain then they can drink wine for eternity undecided
Why is this abode somewhat materialistic in nature when such vanity is disapproved of on earth?
How can materialism be a reward for spiritualism? The two concepts are mutually exclusive.
The heaven in the bible appears to be of a regal nature whilst the heaven in the Quaran appears to be of a sensual nature undecided

As I read your opinion, I can't but remember the poor jewess on the street of Cairo in a true story recounted by a sheikh, in the life of an old muslim scholar. The poor woman ran after this scholar in elegant clothing riding a priced horse. She asked "your Quran says this world is the prison of believers and paradise of disbelievers. How are you in prison while am in paradise, when it is obvious that you are living a good life and am a poor wretched woman?" The scholar told her that "InshaAllah on the Day of Judgment, when I look back to earth, regardless of the good life I had lived there, what I will enjoy in Paradise will make that earthly living like prison to me. And those who will enter hell because of disbelief, when their condition is compared to all the poverty they suffered on earth, they will wish to return to the earthly poverty because it would be like paradise compared to their condition in hell". Emofine. God is real. So are His Promises; rewards in goodness, punishment for primarily being disbelieving of His Godship, Alone.

^We are all students in our religions.

@Kay17; Allah says "call Me Allah. Call Me AlRahman. All Beautiful Names belong to Me". So if you call Allah the Alshefaah [The Curer of all illnesses], you are still correct. If you call Him Sultanil Arshi [Noble above the Throne], Muliki Mulk [King over Sovereignty], AlMaik [King], AlMulk [The Sovereign], AlWadud [The Loving], AlMughit [The Helper], etc, they all refer to Him. You can combine 2 Names that can work together and come up with another beautiful Name.

Yes. Muhammad [as] is His Messenger, to mean he is the last link in the chain of messengers and prophets [as], all saying the same thing about Him being the One to worship. If you reject Muhammad [as] you have directly rejected any and all the messengers and prophets [as] of God. Then you have directly rejected God.

Quran is recitation. Its in the heart, not just mere "Book". Any human being is worth saving, while papyrus can be reconstituted. I am not a tribalist; I am an authentic humanist in way of Islam.

none of the names offends me. my skin is like that of the elephant. even as you insult the muslims, mr. patrit2, the messenger [as] was insulted to his face and he did not flinch in his mission. again, islam is more important to me than yoruba, a tribe that i love passionately. so when the unifying building [masjid] is razed to the ground by a muslim, anywhere i feel sad. if its a non muslim that demolishes it, i will not less or more sad. we yoruba muslims love islam with all our heart and our individual soul yearns for its beauty, the reason we are in reverence to God, even in the face of attacks from people like you, denying me in my own place just because my religion is different from yours. oga.

@Patriot2: I meant to say stronger; In essence there is no yoruba alive who is more of an authentic yoruba than my yorubaness. Yet, I am 100% muslim. It is Islam in me that makes me well. Otherwise people may think I am Yoruba, as the igbo people have been saying here. Or Yoruba, as I read them. What do the Hausas call us the yoruba people, because I have not read it? Are the tiv, idoma, ishekiri, etc silent about calling yoruba names?

Patriot2 thinks those of us from the south are not muslims. You are wrong.
I am a yoruba man. There are no strong yoruba blood on earth than what flows in my veins.
My wife is from the eastern part of Nigeria and she is a muslim woman.

^My opinion bites you. It is a pity that the muslims in Lagos have not protested against their muslim governor's action, against Islam in this case.

@Vanstanzy:

@Sweetnecta
How a muslim ordered the destruction of a mosque is beyond me, when he is even forbidden to destroy churches. Definitely, churches are less important to him than mosques are.
Whats wrong in a muslim ordering the destruction of a Mosque if its a security threat? Mind u, Fashola is the Chief security officer of Lagos State and not of Islam, Christianity or any other religion. If after all the tip-offs he's been getting on possible attacks, he allows the Mosques to stand and finally there is a terrorist attack, we all would blame him and call him incompetent, not so?

You will call him incompetent, but i won't. Security are of 2 parts; preparation of man and collective awareness of the community [and truly relying on God but not destroying the Houses of God because you are afraid of man]. Imagine if the masajid were in office complexes. Will Fashola raze 5 skyscrapers because of 5 simple floors? What is the use of security details; the police, the Intelligence apparatus? Is destruction of buildings the solution here and the Nigerian government have masajid standing in Abuja and other places? 5 masajid today. How many tomorrow? Better, when the muslims are not the focus, how many churches or other buildings will be destroyed? America has not destroyed a masjid, yet. No governor has advocated that in a country where muslims are minority and epicenter of the worst national desaster in recent memory. Yet the Governor of Lagos state, most of his yoruba indigents are muslims. Ogun state next door is mostly muslims has the gut to destroy mosques. What does he say to his Lord about this act?

FYI, Churches cant be destroyed, why? They dont store bombs and other weapons for terrorism acts in 'em, SIMPLE.

WHich mosque in Lagos has housed a single bomb? Please give us the address, or is atrocity committed in far away north an immediate reason to destroy mosques all over the places? So it is now permissible that if a man misbehaves in London, all men in New York should be viewed from the very prism of the action of the londoner? It is irrational. Yet masjid belongs to Allah; you make salaat, read Quran and supplicate/remember Allah in it. It is also a community center. When you destroy it, the effect is more than destroying your own house; it affects every muslim.

When a muslim leader is destroying Islamic places of worship because he fears harms from misguided group[s], instead of supplicating to God for protection, no wonder the state of religion is the way it is in the west; ignorance leading people to seek faith in the wrong quarters, thinking that they will be successful there.
Sweetnecta, what on earth do u mean here? Heaven will only help u if u help urself. So we all should sit back and be blasted to "shmiderings" when God himself has helped us with informations that'll be vital to our safety. ARE U IMPLYING WE SHOULD BE REACTIVE INSTEAD? SMH

[quote][/quote]Everyone of us will die. God has ordained it so. So while God helps to preserve you, you should preserve the House of God for those who worship Him in it. It is not even permissible for muslim to destroy churches. Then is a mosque not also important to a muslim more than church is to him? Did you hear the British government destroying catholic churches during the IRA bombing spree? Well?

@Patriot2;

greall1: I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH YOU 80% AWORI ARE MUSLIM

You are wrong 80% of Lagosians are christians and most of the rest are African religionists.

considering that your answer is the bold to the declaration that authentic lagosians [not the awon atowun rewa] are mostly muslims, it at least tell me that you know nothing about the lagosians. maybe you are pulling your own leg, thinking that we will not notice your error.

Sweetnecta: @Patriot2: The bold undermines your previous "sympathy" for the muslims. You seem to underscore by the bold that Islam is inherently bad, and its a shocker that good people enters it. There are good people in idol worshiping and definitely Islam is far from it. Rather the best of the monotheistic religion is Islam, because it is radically monotheistic; just like each prophet [as] as they were radical in their view[s] to the people of their communities in their times. No prophet was compromising, but shunned disbelief, instead.
Those who abandoned "good' because it is wrapped with unattractive covering and or because there are rough people [boko haraam] on the way leading to it shall have to answer to their Lord for walking away from the truth, instead of migrating away from where they think the good is frowned upon.

i think "idol worshippers" deserve more respect than muslims, because I have never heard of terrorists among them.
You want people to respect muslims yet you keep insulting "idol worshippers"!

No wonder I said the above, considering what you stated in the bold. Is terrorism the only evil on earth? How about abduction, etc?

Let me ask you one question: what is kaaba if not an idol, and what is "noble" coran if not an other idol.
What is a mosque if not an idol ?

Kaaba is an empty building; serving only as a Quiblah, direction. Maybe you will tell us how it is an idol?

@Kay17: I beg to differ from your opinion above, when it comes to Islam. Islam challenges the mind, asking you to think, reason, ponder, reflect. There is no blind faith in Islam; maybe you meant Christianity or Judaism. And the only faith belonging to Ibrahim [as] is Islam. Ibrahim was not a jew nor a christian, but a true hanif, muslim. He did not add to commandment or created his own way. But only what was revealed to him he followed in obedience.

@Patriot2:

To all the good muslims who mean no harm to anybody, I am so sorry things are happening this way, I want to tell you people I love and respect you, but the terrorists are giving you people a bad name. In these times it is quite difficult for a non muslim to know who is a terrorist and who is a good man who just happens to be a muslim.
Your women are the kindest I have ever found. I know a few who left the faith: some arab women. They are beautiful inside and outside. Such beautiful minds. The terrorists are causing problems between us and we have to fight them together.

The bold undermines your previous "sympathy" for the muslims. You seem to underscore by the bold that Islam is inherently bad, and its a shocker that good people enters it. There are good people in idol worshiping and definitely Islam is far from it. Rather the best of the monotheistic religion is Islam, because it is radically monotheistic; just like each prophet [as] as they were radical in their view[s] to the people of their communities in their times. No prophet was compromising, but shunned disbelief, instead.
Those who abandoned "good' because it is wrapped with unattractive covering and or because there are rough people [boko haraam] on the way leading to it shall have to answer to their Lord for walking away from the truth, instead of migrating away from where they think the good is frowned upon.

How a muslim ordered the destruction of a mosque is beyond me, when he is even forbidden to destroy churches. Definitely, churches are less important to him than mosques are.
The messenger of Allah, Muhammad [as] at the battle of Badr told the people guarding him to leave because Allah has promised to protect him. And Allah [swt] is the best of Protectors.
After 911, the muslim communities in USA, specifically in New York City told the authorities that Allah is our Protector, not needing additional 'protector[s]'.

Fear of man is sign of lack of true faith. When a muslim leader is destroying Islamic places of worship because he fears harms from misguided group[s], instead of supplicating to God for protection, no wonder the state of religion is the way it is in the west; ignorance leading people to seek faith in the wrong quarters, thinking that they will be successful there. They fail to observe that poverty and test abounds in all religions and success on earth is not based on being in the correct religion and shall not matter on the Day of Assembly, where the nation of religion you belong to and your faith and deeds shall be the elements that matter to your Judge; God Almighty Allah.

^So the christians are violent and kill people of other faiths, or no faith at all, you are affirming? Interesting.

@Emofine; I have not assumed that you are anything but what you are. I dont read mind and definitely you cant read mine. I wonder why you think that I assume that you are what you are not. I simply discuss. Perchance, somebody reads it, sometimes and it makes sense, it affects his/her heart. I am a muslim and the religion says "it is an advise". Muslim[s] advises muslim[s] about Islam. My advise is even to myself. You should calm down and you dont have to prove your position to me or try to satisfy me. You have conscience and that is your better guide; hopefully our conscience will guide us to all truth.

This christian scholar discovery has been with Muslims for millennial. I remember when my children were young. If i began my wudhu, they joined in though their mother was a christian. I didn't push them to religion and didn't even invite them to pray then. They join me in line, giggling to make salaat. When they were even younger, crawling about, they mimic me in prostration; it is so natural, almost a fetus position.

See, emofine when I said you will have to mention "God" by instinct in you at definite critical point/position/situation I was serious and sure about it. It is because its similar to drinking cold water to eliminate thirst, eating to rid hunger. You have no control, just as you have no control of the flow of blood in your body; you wish that it flows freely because it is part of your being alive. The human nature, her instinct in your case recognizes God. Your soul will go to His mentioning without you able to avoid this, since you are human. Every human has a soul which makes the body stand, alive. It is the living soul and when it leaves the body, the body is dead. The soul does not come from the parents; it is created exclusively by God, while human body is brought about by God using parents as the vessels.

What comes from God in revelation, the soul knows it, the heart acknowledges, though the denier may still denies it based on wishing to not submit to it.

_{So you are saying some things can exist without being created by a designer, as long as we define them as such? Why not the universe, then? Could the universe not just simply have existed forever, just like you think God existed? When if we define the universe as a thing which has always existed and always will? If we do that, then we don't need the concept of God to explain things!}Will Seun not love to remain with his family forever; if not with great great great great grandparents and all to be born in the future, single making a country of Osewa, but at least pa and ma and the rest of the siblings and newer generations of Osewa? Yet, Seun is certain that none of them will remain on earth for more than a lifespan of 200 years. Seun, you are getting older. Some day you will be 50 years old. Then 60, 70, 80 and when you really can stand straight, knowing fully well that you are no more a 20 something years old man in body and thinking, you may not want to live more than 120 years old, or even more [making 200 years in total]. Yet 200 years ago was 1812, a time so recent that even young america as a nation or enterprise is much older than.

In reality, if the universe that has no full intelligence of its own can exist on its on by your argument, I do believe that you who has greater independence intelligence more than it [the universe] would have existed by your own will [and we know this is not so because your parents definitely play the role to make you exist, just their parents played their own roles to make them exist]. Definitely, you would love to exist forever, if nothing else, because life is good; no? Yet. You will have no choice in your aging, dying and no longer existing. Apply this to the universe, because there is Only One Original Designer; He designs everything, He is not designed and no other designer with Him. That Designer is God Almighty. The Source of Everything.