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@mabell: « #24 on: Today at 08:34:37 AM »
[Quote]@joagbaje,
I think the challenge is people are addressing the topic without watching the video
@all, Moslems and Christians don't worship the same God
It's simple, Do the Moslems believe in Jesus that he died for their sins, do they pray In the name of Jesus
If yes, then the Christians and Moslems worship the same God but if no (which is the obvious), then hey definitely don't worship the same God[/Quote]As I reflected on the Quran, I have to change my earlier position. Yes. Muslims and Christians and indeed Jews and all who believe there is God and worship is due to Him, worship the same God.

The difference between the muslims and the christians in worship in the light of your post, is that Christians have corrupted the concept of One God, hence have corrupted the concept of true worship of One God.

They mis-defined and mis-described God by tagging with Him attributes that are incorrect and not befitting His Majesty.

Should God have a son? Should God be split into bits and pieces and parts? Should God not be able to be separate from creations? Should God not be able to maintain His Position with compromising, as to become like any other?

Are there nothing God will restrict Himself from?

I was discussing with a Christian, yesterday, and i had to remind him that the NT and the christians claim that they did not record all that was said and or what Jesus preached. Considering in addition that you do not have true authentic and complete records of Jesus in language and substance without something not there, no one can be 100% sure of what Jesus position is. From the Bible, alone, we will be working with incomplete details using foreign tongues [Greek and Latin] for the most part instead of authentic Syriac spoken by Jesus.


It will be difficult to capture the full gist/thrust of what Louis the 16 said during the french revolution from a manuscript written in hausa language, then translated and made into a book in swahili. This is the same condition we have using greek manuscript to write the mission of Jesus in english or any language, ignoring the importance of what was possibly the original details in Syriac spoken by Jesus. If it were written down in the Syriac language, it would have been better. But it would have been best if it was written in Syriac immediately under the supervision of Jesus, as he was talking, walk and and going about the work of preaching or delivering what his Lord sent him with.

But this is not the case. So the individual Christian needs to rethink his/her position in light of absolute TRUTH.

I'm now boko haram? your wayo wayo does not have limitation.

^^^^^^^^^ the nigerian christians should ask the boko harami people to give them delil [proof].

many of us have western education, fostered by islamic education.

the best in islamic education because of the discipline is the best in western education.

aloy/emeka, ko ton e, nsin yoin? o seeee fee toba?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ olopele of opele, tell him how you people cut tongue and how you eat 'em.

i hope aloy/emeka has enough behind to roll off on?

American blacks are not Arabs living in America.

You miss the boat my a million miles.

Those blacks who used to be wild about harry [bad minded people] are now pillars of their communities, respecting their families.

You know what they call taking care of biznezz?


You need to hurry up and marry Toba to put you out of your constant time of the month mood.

if this is the case, then Jesus should have gone through baptism, as many as he entered the temple.
what about John? after all he was a contemporary of Jesus.

i asked about how baptism came about, you gave me the reason to wash up.
is baptism washing up?

it is His that is making you tell us a different story because He {His} is a different God, different personality of a person?
Which one is acting on you, now; Jesus, The Holy Ghost or The Father, even though these 3 are 1?

Strange math.

i am using america as my definition of bad quality and now better manners. great improvement.
about nigeria, that is another story, because in spite of having a religion that protects lives, they deviate from it and become the agent of death.

yes. she is firm on resolve.

This is one of the few times i agree with Aletheia and Frosbel.

We in Islam do not worship 3 person of 1 God or 1 God of 3 persons, each person fully God!

We Worship Allah and that is different from Jesus, a servant with revelation, Holy Spirit, an Angelic servant and Father who is tagged with all sort of qualities similar to the creation [human].

I will not go as far as condemning Joagbaje, because his intention is good, trying hard to elevate trinity.

Allah is Absolute. That is not the same as limitation prone Jesus who could not do anything from his own power and we know he prayed and begged and wept and cried, etc.

We also know that Holy Spirit/ghost was speechless all the way in the time of creation of man. So was Jesus so we know these two were no show and unimportant in the Capability of God to Singly enact His Plan.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ec0efQJMjg&NR=1

@Italo, please watch what the Biblical Scholars are saying, below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ec0efQJMjg&NR=1

Italo wants me to play brain dead so that he can suck the false idea to me.

I can take care of myself, thank you. I don't need to be played like that.

@Italo; Is there any other meaning than the one you get when you literally read "my God, my God. . .why has Thou forsaken me?"?

No muslim have said that the Bible, though not revealed to any single Prophet, is 100% incorrect. We say that from it, we see parts of Tawrah, Psalm and Gospel revealed to their receiver prophets. Then we see addition that were added to these 3. And there are subtracted information [obviously not in the them [the Bible], or changed the words as to give other meanings].

We also know and it is obvious that it is false to accept that Jesus is son of God, even though you claim it for him. We see that in the times he should display his son relationship to God, he displayed his servant/prophet relationship to God [The Prayers at the Gethsemane and The My God, my God, . . . are two obvious examples]. It is not difficult to know that the statement that he is son of God is a forgery, a complete untrue statement.

Muslims say that it [The Bible] is corrupted because it is not 100% correct. We see Acts, and all after it as pure addition, adding to the initiate "Corruption" that we know within Tawrah of Moses, Psalm of David [at least with the declaration of Jeremiah accusing the Scribes/and the leadership of Israel of corrupting these two]. It is after these that Gospel was revealed to Jesus as he preached it just like Muhammad [as] preached The Quran.

But we see Jesus saying he was not Elijah but John was, which John denied. We see that neither John nor Jesus was "The That Prophet". Who was that Prophet if Muhammad [as] was not, the man Jesus prophesied to come as the another comforter to "Correct, guide, lead, tell and glorify" based on hearing from God?

You will agree that if the Gospel/New Testament is not corrupted, we will have to accept that on the day of Judgment, the 12 disciples judging the 12 tribes/nations of Israel will include Judas Iscariot. But the Christians say in the Bible that he committed suicide and I can't imagine a person who killed himself being a judge on the day of Judgment. {Or you already transfer his seat to another man?}.


I don't know why i need a teacher in something this clear to understand as untrue? Or do you think I am from the classification of what Jesus said about the disciples; people of little faith and lacking in understanding, seeking signs?

@the topic; maybe because it deviates from Tawrah, Psalm and Injil. Have you ever examined it in this light?

^^^^Laughing Hyena. The laughter get stale, mehn,

[Quote]« #18 on: Today at 12:51:44 PM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:38:02 PM
And I am from the group that follows the one who is charged with CORRECTING each and every spiritual mistake, lie, incorrect position.

please, the tradition of running round and round a black stone, like perambulator, as the late great Olufela Kuti would put it, who started that tradition and how does it fit in with Abraham. And also stoning the devil.

I'd like to know but please make your answer brief cos I don't want this thread to be derailed.[/Quote]Thank you for asking about my religion. Mr Abofa, the tradition is from and started by Ibrahim [as]. So i hope you are smart enough to know that it is part of his tradition?

I hope someday, before you die, you will finally enter islam. The Ogboni do cut the tongue of their dead. I hope thats not what you want to happen to you?

^^^ you don't really believe there is a rapture, in the future?
come to Islam.

And I am from the group that follows the one who is charged with CORRECTING each and every spiritual mistake, lie, incorrect position.

@His[Child, Servant, etc]: Who is the His in your stage name; Jesus or Holy Ghost or Jehovah? Please make your "HIS" known to us.
If its all of them, you need to not confuse us with bad grammar. It has to be "Their"{Child, Servant, etc].

And if you choose one of them, behold your deception is known to yourself, now.

@the christians; what tradition was it to baptize Jesus? The Jewish religion, if Jesus practiced it? The Jewish culture if has not religious underpinning? John's new religion, if there is anything like that [name that religion please]? Jesus's new religion with John as the first priest [name that religion since the christians say Jesus was not a christian]?

Is this tradition [baptism], new or an established one? if established already and John and Jesus just carried/continued/renewed it, then who established it first and was its first priest, and who was the first to be baptized before Jesus was baptized?

The first priest and the first to be baptized, when was the spiritual authority given to them and why, with explanation like circumcision as sign of Agreement from God on Abraham and his way of belief?


How is baptism in agreement with Abrahamic way in the above agreement from God?

if baptism does not have ny place in it [the way of Abraham that is], please know that the only view is that it is a deviation from the right way, the way of Abraham. In all the laws given to Moses, none of them is against the path that God gave Abraham. And there was no sign of any form of BAPTISM anywhere.

@^^^^ and @toba; « #6 on: Yesterday at 10:57:44 PM »

[Quote]why cant u just respond to the question?[/Quote]@the question the answer is yes and even better because every person who abandoned Christianity and enter Islam wears a garment of better manners to family net of kin and the entire community. My examples are the reverts I personally know in Nigeria and abroad. You can use for the most part American muslims, especially the African Americans.

Al Nagus, The King of Ethiopia {Al Nagashi} became a man who was not doing act of kindness because of a god [Jesus who the Christians installed as their god, similar to the 5 first gods for man the in the time of Noah; reason for wiping out the god worshipers]. Now his reason for doing good deeds was for the sincere pleasure of God [Allah Baritahallah], hoping in His Merciful Forgiveness and Great Rewards in Paradise [The Greatest of them is Gazing at His Face], as a reward and not the the shortest of gaze giving the Hypocrites among the muslims before these hypocrites are herded into hell, the abode of disbelievers and hypocrisy.

The tease to the hypocrites is the greatest regret that they will never see The Beautiful Face to gaze at, again.

Toba is never had his wife teased him before. Aloy/Emeka had never had her husband teased her before. This is nothing compared to the tease that occurred here. It is heavenly tease. I pray no muslims on Nairaland is part of that group of hypocrites to be teased. Amin.

@I.Chuka ^^^; so the blind with eyes that do not see because of owner's bad focus or any other reason will say things that are inconsistent, so much so that they oppose the others;

examples; a time, Jesus will be God.
Another time, he will be Prophet.
Another time different from above, Jesus will be the another comforter, even though he said I will send him or beg God to send him.

Another time Jesus will be the Holy Spirit that he himself is greater than in the Trinity.
Another time, it is that very holy spirit that mounted and over shadowed Mary to produce Jesus.
Yet it is the father that is tagged with the baby, not the holy ghost who did the act of mounting and overshadowing.

Another time Jesus who is the God is crying begging God.
Yelling out in questioning God why He forsaken him.

The same Jesus some said set aside his Godship, while at the same time he is always God the maker.
And he said he can of his own power do nothing.


I see how blind can actually have eyes opened and see nothing.

Amin to the dua.

Allahu Akbar Kabirah at the story.

Let us ask Allah to protect us not to be negligent of our duty to Him,
our effort to try to please Him in everything that we do.

Protect us from every kind of trial.

[Quote]« #2 on: Today at 05:52:19 PM »

smh. they asked u simple question and u typed epistle according to sweetnecta chapter 1 verse 133[/Quote]Inu mbi e. Right?
Even though you are next to Aloy/Emeka, you are still angry. O ga o.

AlNagashi ended being a muslim. We can't say he was a christian, any longer.

The man became a muslim. That was his religion.
When he heard the truth, his heart accepted it.

Initially, as a nasara [christian], he wanted to turn the muslims out,
wanting to turn them loose to the pagan vultures,

Allah is the One Who knows those in whose hearts are kindness because there is Iman deep down in them.

Allah brought that of AlNagashi to the surface, floating like a cream over the heavy liquid.


AlNagashi started out as christian, and when he met faith in Islam he quickly accepted it and died on it.
I hope your story at the end is like that. Amin.

so it is him who came to the disciple as the holy spirit in form of fire?

if this is so, we see that trinity is dead and how are you people still pushing the idea where do the post day of pentecost fit into the event of day of pentecost, since it is proposed that the event of that day is carried forward, unless if the correction, glorifying, reminding, leading to all truth, etc are recorded? where is the recording?

i wonder what Jesus did that day to glorify himself differently than/from what was already known by the disciples?
how did Jesus correct the disciples that day, hence forward?
what did Jesus teach different from what was already known before the event?
what new thing did he teach?
how did he lead to all things?
what truth did he lead to that was not already in the community of the disciples?

and why are you people still waiting for him, even now to return? Where did he say he will return more than one time?


I invited the op to what will benefit her, she stuck to what has not and can't truly benefit in the end.

but the king, Al Nagashi became a muslim. he mounted a journey to see the messenger [as] in Makka. it was in the excursion that he lost him life on the way.

immediately he expired, it was shown to the messenger who called for a janazah prayer [salatul ghaib; prayer made when the body is not seen or not in front of you and no one organized prayer on the body where it is seen]. this act by the messenger is another proof there is revelation coming to him.

incidentally, the wife of the king similar to the wife of lot [as] was a hypocrite of what her husband ws about. just like madame lot, instead of turning to pillar of salt, she was consumed by fire that descended on her, alone in the prty.

the ethiopian christians have a yearly ceremony for her 'heroic' end. can you imagine that?

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The speaker of this verse was Isiah! And obviously you didn't say isiah is God, but when Jesus spoke in the same manner of Isiah above, you say Jesus is God! You see how inconsistent you are? One rule for all, but a separate rule for Jesus.
God spoke through Isaiah. So it was God that spoke these words. Isaiah was a prophet, JESUS was and still the Messiah!!, Prophet Isaiah never compared himself with God or Jesus. He is not Mohamed, he spoke the truth prophecy about Jesus and it was accomplished.[/Quote]And God also spoke through Jesus. Jesus was a prophet. A messiah is nothing but anointed. I hope you will your bible and if i am wrong, then call me out on anyone of them.


[Quote]One of his prophecy that answer your question is here,
(Isaiah 9:6)For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.[/Quote]no time was Jesus in his earthly life called any of these. It is after he was lifted up to heaven by his Lord that you guys began to call him whatever you call him. And he was never a governor or a head of any government. If Moses had lived after Isiah, he would have been perfect for it. So was David. So was Solomon. There was no government resting on the shoulders of Jesus in the presence of Herold. You know it and i know it. The shoulders were even too weak to carry the wooden posts, the reason they got Simon of Syrenne.


[Quote]U read that??[/Quote]I read that. But your are wrong. So the muslims will correct you because we are the followers of the another comforter with absolute truth to correct. Remember that the another comforter is charged with the ability to correct? Know that Jesus was a prophet from his own mouth and the mouths of the true disciples, not the fake one called Paul. And a prophet does not have honor in his home town. And son of man does not have a place to lay his head.


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The changing God; is that what God is?
I ve told u in the other thread i will no longer enlighten u on the TRINITY, u ve refused to accept it so let it be to like that.[/Quote] Alhamdulillah. I am wise enough not to accept your not telling me the truth.


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You are truly a french woman. Suddenly Jesus is a prophet and not God here. Can't we for once have stability in his identity? please dont make him a woman o. And in the Lord's prayer, Jesus said forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. A sinless asking for forgiveness? How perfect is that?
Jesus is not a prophe[/b]t, if I said after JESUS no other prophet was to mean (no other one like him.) i ve never and will never call Jesus a prophet. He is the Messiah, that Mohamed included Jesus in his list of prophets is completely incorrect. Jesus wasn't a prophet. Peter recognized him as the Messiah, son of GOD.[/Quote]It is either you or the disciples, a group is not telling the truth. Please leave Paul out if this, because you will open a can of worms that i do not want to talk about.


[Quote](Matthew 16 :13-16) When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one [b]of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.[/Quote]And where ever Jesus is called prophet in the Bible, we should now agree that whoever said it was a liar? Can you say Jesus and or his disciple[s] were lying when Jesus was called a prophet?


[Quote]Did Peter say he was a prophet? Sorry i am a Christian, If Jesus could Bless Peter for recongnizing his identity, then i should do the same to obtain his blessing. That Moha change Christ Identity in the Kuran, has nothing to do with Christ followers, instead, its the Muslims that gets burged to know that what they are taught about Jesus Christ is not what Jesus claim he is. Why on earth should u try to change some1 identity?[/Quote]Acts 3 verse 26 reads; New Living Translation (©2007)
When God raised up his servant, Jesus, [/b]he sent him first to you people of Israel, to bless you by turning each of you back from your sinful ways."
And who is the prophet of DEUT. 18:15, now that Jesus is said not to be a prophet, by you?
Matthew 13:57 [b]And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."


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. And in the Lord's prayer, Jesus said forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. A sinless asking for forgiveness? How perfect is that?
When your child ask u, dad how do i do my home work? and u give him guard lines on how it should be done.
Does that means u are doing same homework as your son? OR does this make u be in same level with your son?
He taught his disciples how to pray, One of them came to him to teach them how to pray.
Read and understand, dont confuse urself.[/Quote]I guess I am not confused, but Jesus was also teaching people how to put their faces on the dirt to pray to God, when he was doing that all night long, crying and weeping and begging with it at gethsemane? You need to device a better way to not speak the truth.


[Quote]Luke 11:1-13(KJV)
1[b]And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place[/b], when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3Give us day by day our daily bread.
4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.[/Quote]Notice that he was praying on his own. I wonder what a God is praying for and to who? A bigger God? Then the small God is only a god, then. Or do you know the silent prayers [supplication] of Jesus other than what he taught his disciples? That tells you that apart from the salah that he demonstrated all nght long at gethsemane, he supplicated quietly, which he taught his disciples. We muslims supplicate in addition to making salah.


[Quote](He is the bread of life) he will not ask himself for bread, (And forgive us our sins) he was not recorded with a sin, (But deliver us from evil)He is Holy and rightous, he do not need to be delivered from evil.
He taught them this prayer because he knew, he wont be with them all through. And they will pass through all the mentioned in the Prayer he had taught them.[/Quote]But will ask The Real God for everything. You see those who pray in facial prostration and supplicate quietly are not God.

@Kay17; « #15 on: Today at 10:15:49 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta

I'm able to impart my self awareness by communicating with you[/Quote]while I asked about your mind, you are telling about your existence by voice and movement, but not by essence that is very specific, making you different from other human beings.

there are many ila; gods.
one of the gods is worshiped by 9japagan.
another is a set of gods worshiped by the like of plap.
another set of gods belongs to the hindus.
yet another to the buddhists.
the jews have theirs, strictly opposing the christians, even though they use the same book, the Bible.


Have you heard of Quran? Thats what my Lord God Almighty has left His final communique to humans in.
No one can imitate the Quran. No one can imitate Allah.


Jesus, you must have heard of him, said of Allah [in a future event], You know what is in my mind, but i do not know what is in Your Mind.

@Italo; « #15 on: October 11, 2011, 12:57 PM »
[Quote]@olabowale

Mohammed saw Jesus as a prophet of God, right? Let's assume for a moment that its true. So we are supposed to believe every word a prophet of God says, right?
So we believe everything Jesus told us, what's your problem with that?[/Quote]Including believing what Jesus didn't say but others say he said them? That is not believing what Jesus said. That is believing in farce.


@plappville « #16 on: October 11, 2011, 02:05 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: italo on October 11, 2011, 12:57 PM
@olabowale

Mohammed saw Jesus as a prophet of God, right? Let's assume for a moment that its true. So we are supposed to believe every word a prophet of God says, right?

So we believe everything Jesus told us, what's your problem with that?

I wonder ooo, he started by asking if God was trinity, now heading to critising and trying to condem a christian believe by persuading her to come to Islam. I am saying and will keep saying it.
Only a fool will backslide from christian and be converted to Muslim.[/Quote]And those who stick stubbornly to lies, what will you call them? is 3 not a lie when you say it is 1? What type of new math is that?


[Quote]Moha who they claim was announced by Jesus is now the one that even turn against Jesus.[/Quote]Plap, if the lies told against Jesus is rejected for and on behalf of Jesus, do you have problem in restoring Jesus to his rightful place? That restoration is what Muhammad [as] did.


[Quote]Is everythin not suposed to work out for good.? Muslims a jokers [/b]if they dont stop to deny Gods word.
[b]After Jesus no other prophet. Moha was a mere man like the @OP, sinner and always beg God for his commited sins and sins yet to commits by him. Jesus was perfect, [b]sinless [/b]despites all that he went through.[/Quote]You are truly a french woman. Sudenly jesus is a prophet and not God here. Can't we for once have stability in his identity? please dont make him a woman o. And in the Lord's prayer, Jesus said forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. A sinless asking for forgiveness? How perfect is that?


[Quote] Of course that was the reason why he came, to take away all our sins, if not he could insults or refused to die. He died willingly that we may have life.
Islam is not of God, they denies Gods command on human.[/Quote]And the eager to die Biblical Jesus turned around and blame God by complaining about how he was forsaken. What a person not refusing to die?


@Rich4god « #18 on: October 11, 2011, 08:16 PM »
[Quote]@op, We have only 1 God who revealed Himself to us in 3 different ways, thus TRINITY. In the old testament, He revealed Himself in a form we cannot see (ie thunder, fire, burning bush etc) we take that as God the father. In the new testament, He came in a human nature, as the son. And now, we all have the spirit of God working in us, thats God the Holy spirit. We do not have 3 God, bt rather we have 1 God who revealed Himself in 3 differnt ways.[/Quote]The changing God; is that what God is?


@chomynomy « #21 on: Yesterday at 09:48:46 AM »
[Quote] Smiley Of course, God is Trinity. God d Father, d Son & d Holy Spirit[/Quote]bro, give me 3 Billion Euros. I will pay you 1 Billion Euros, in combinations of check, bank draft and currency and that will be trinity style of payment.


@i.chuka « #22 on: Yesterday at 12:47:13 PM »
[Quote]For there are THREE that bear record in Heaven,the FATHER,the WORD,and the HOLY GHOST,and these THESE THREE ARE "ONE"-1jhn5:7.[/Quote]3 is 1? Wat kind of actuary is that? What do other gospel say about this important information? Nothing? I wonder if it ever was said by Jesus? Not.


@plappville « #24 on: Yesterday at 08:24
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sisi, did jesus say to you he came to take away your sins? remember you are from obodo 9ja.
Yes Jesus died for u and me so that we might be save, even if u re not ok with this, it still stands no modifying or changing it.
Wetin 9ja get to do with this? U self Grin Grin[/Quote]Remember that the miracle workers among you will be rejected. Then imagine the condition of the non miracle performers among you? Jesus didn't die for me. heck. I am certain that he didn't die.


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did jesus tell the guys that there is trinity, when he even prayed to one God?
So u dont know Grin Grin, see it below, no dey run away from the truth. Ok let me supply it to u.
The God of the christians is one God. The scripture gave a vivid prove of the TRINITY.
The [b]3 persons [/b]of the Godbody are noted in (Isaiah 48:16)“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.” [b]The speaker of this verse is obviously GOD [/b]and yet he says, he has been sent (BOTH) by the lord God "the father" and by his spirit that is, "the holy spirit" One name (GOD) yet 3 names. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Much verses in the bible spoke of this Trinity.[/Quote]The speaker of this verse was Isiah! And obviously you didn't say isiah is God, but when Jesus spoke in the same manner of Isiah above, you say Jesus is God! You see how inconsistent you are? One rule for all, but a separate rule for Jesus.


[Quote]What an evident in (John 15:26) hear again where our Lord Jesus said: “But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.” The son is talking, he will send to us a conforter own by his father(TRINITY) wht is confusing u about the GODHEAD trinity?[/Quote]Plappville, tell me you are are not so gullible that you didn't think that comforter that Jesus said he would sent was not part of the father, if there was a father? If Jesus was able to send the comforter, will you not at least ask if Jesus was actually capable of sending the comforter, the comforter can't be God and may actually be a prophet? But many have said that the comforter is Holy Ghost that got Mary pregnant being the father, instead of Yahweh on one hand and some argued that the comforter was Jesus trying to say that he has returned on the other hand, even though you are still waiting for his return to rapture you up [never will rapture happen. each of you shall grow old, old enough and die of]. The issue of comforter is so complex and confusing that christians have tried to compartmentalized it. They know they can't discuss all of it at a go without realizing how erroneous the argument really is. and in other gospels, Jesus was not the sender, but Jesus begged the father to send the comforter who was to finish what Jesus didn't [sisi, read the incomplete mission of Jesus and ask yourself; who completed everything?].


@lepasharon « #25 on: Yesterday at 08:36:47 PM »

the trinity has a pagan origin look it up, notice its nowhere in the bible?[quote][/Quote]Yah kno.


@plappville « #28 on: Yesterday at 10:23:34 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Jenwitemi on Yesterday at 08:57:24 PM
God is a family of three(Trinity); The Father, the mother whose name is Hollie Ghoste(she uses her maiden name because her husband does not have a surname, obviously), and the son. A daughter is on the way to make this bible God a family of four(Quartet) because Hollie Ghoste, the mother, is now pregnant with a baby girl. Wink Cheesy

Are u from this planet?? If yes[b] kindly eat that vomit of urs and beg him to 4give u for acting foolishly.[/b][/Quote]what a terribly way to seek recourse.


[Quote]« #31 on: Yesterday at 10:39:16 PM »
Even though, u still ve to eat that dirty vomit of urs, no offence to do that God will forgive u for this.[/Quote]This sisi is playing God, again. Its bad enough you are making Jesus to play God.

^^^^ the way this daylae writes is boring and frustrating.
If The Tabernacle of the Lord is in Makka and no one can dispute it, I wonder
what kinda evidence you want that Islam has not produced?

@Polokor60: It is kinda of changing the requirements when you talk about the OT and NT, from when you talk about Bible and the Quran.
Why are you not using the same logic about their periods of writing and how many people that wrote them?
Take OT and NT as one issue. apply the above premises to know which is true.

Then take the Bible [OT and NT [remember that these 2 are fight above?]] and the Quran as the other issue. apply the above premises to know which is true.

^^. you like that? i am grateful that islam is my religion.

I want you to demonstrate your mind in any which way you choose.

I don't read mind. You don't read God.

I have God Who is Self Aware. I am full of His Self Awareness.