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If your Bible could not even lead you to why God told dam and Eve not to approach a specific tree, how can you be sure of anything when it comes to dealing with more people than the first 2 and in a more complex environment?

No one needed to avenge the death of Habila [abel] from Kabila [Cain], his brother.

No story of murder was narrated until it occurred after the flood. Just like illegal sexual relationship as a result of mingling and swinging occurred once between the people of the hills and the valleys, which the bible erroneously called [sons of God and daughters of men episode], before the flood and rekindled with much horror in it at the scene of Sodom and Gomorrah.

The only major sin that didn't occur and was the only sin at the flood is idolatry/image worshiping.

The Bible sweetened the calamity of Cain by creating an idea that there is an avenger lurking to snatch him off. The family of Adam and Eve knew that their father, Adam was there prophet [as] and warned them against any and all types of evil and no one repeated it, the reason that the sin of the flood of Noah was idolatry. Surah Nuh [Chapter 71], verse 23 gave the names of the previous pious people who have been made into object of worship, similar to what the Christians refined on Jesus [as].

And said, 'Never leave your gods and never leave Wadd or Suwa' or Yaghuth and Ya'uq and Nasr.

No sin is desired to be imitated, unless by a person who has some element of disbelief when he/she engages in it. Cain gets a share of every murder committed because he was the first and was not a true repentant. The opposite of that is Joseph gets a share of every reward of not engaging in illegal sex. Adam and Eve were opposite in position to Satan [lanatUllah] because instead of seeking repentance he piled on on sin, arrogance and pride.

Incomplete bible? Olaadegbu, you see whats happening to your point of reference? It is incomplete they said, above.

@Plappville; « #7 on: Today at 12:33:14 PM »
[Quote[]The worse is he that has refused to love hisCREATOR God almighty, The creator of heaven and earth.

He who worship Idle man made Gods, He who says there is no God. this is the worse!!!![quote][/Quote]Is the bold not equal to Trinity? Sisi Plappville, na wa for you o. Let be say in Yoruba language; O ga fun e o.



@Kay 17: « #8 on: Today at 12:55:57 PM »
[Quote]^^^
If God exists by faith, then congrats. if not demonstrate it.[/Quote]Please demonstrate that you have a mind. Or do you believe you have a mind in your body by faith and you can't show it, see it, touch it, but can feel it exist in your body?

Ara wo sisi yi o ya. I didn't see what she said wrong. If I saw it, i would have simply advise her. Shugbon, kini o nbu eyon dele beyen si. Abi bawo deni, sisi?

I knew it was not in your heart, so don't do that. Count up to ten, next time.

Mafia? O ga fun e o. Seee o ti loko though? That always calm down tempers.

@Aley/Emeka: « #69 on: Today at 11:13:00 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:16:00 AM
@Aloy/Emeka: « #66 on: Today at 12:48:57 AM »And when we tell you guys, that you people [christians] are far from following Christ [as], you get bent out of shape. It is as if we in Islam are not correct on that very statement.

Aloy/Emeka, who yelled out "My God, my God, why has Thou forsaken me" if it was not Jesus that yelled?
Why you are saying you don't have to yell, Jesus yelled. This shows that you are the opposite of Jesus in even a matter small or big, including what to yell about. And we muslims yell in surprise the same way that Jesus yelled.

[bJesus wasn't yelling[/b][/Quote]Maa wa mi loo. Oti di abiodun, olooko ile. If he didn't yell in your ears, i wonder what crying out is if not yelling out? Odu po lenu iwo sisi yi.


[Quote] besides we don't have to do everything He did[b] because He has done it all[/b].[/Quote]No, he didn't. If you dare challenge me, I will tell you a basic thing he didn't do. That my sisi will mean he didn't do it all. You will not know the basic human needs if you followed his pattern in the Bible, the reason he was not the "That Prophet" expected and his pointing to the another comforter to lead, guide, speak, etc all truth.


[Quote]Must you Muslims do everything Jesus did?.[/Quote]We do all, except what are restricted on him alone. Same thing about his spiritual Iman, Muhammad [as]. We are not permitted to marry in one marriage relationship period more than 4.


[Quote]Why are you people following his footsteps hoping to "cunningly" receive the free salvation without publicly acknowledging him?.[/Quote]Whats cony about our saying publicly that Jesus is a Prophet [as] of God, the last restrictively sent to the children of Israel before the granddaddy of prophet-hood arrive in the person named Muhammad [as], for all mankind? We follow the footstep of Jacob, too, and stay away from what he restricted for himself, which his Lord accepted for him; the not eating of the hindquarter of cattle.


[Quote]Jesus said "nobody comes to the Father except through me".[/Quote]Except that there is no father. And the whole verse is rendered false because before him and from among his contemporary were men and women who God entered into His Mercy, Grace and Abode of Bliss, without Jesus. Some of them were John the son of Zacharia and Zacharia. Neither needed Jesus for nothing.


[Quote] So yelling like Jesus "yelled" will not buy you salvation.[/Quote]Jesus and me, both. Sisi Emeka, you are on your own, in deviance.

my darling; turn to Islam if your lord and savior haven't done what you are looking for 'prophet of God' for.
mind you, there is no prophet of God on earth anymore like 1400 plus years ago, now.

If you want my email on how to go about this process of peace of mind, i shall be most happy to provide it.
you have to trust your Creator and eliminate a go between you and Him. You also have to take the good and the not so good and hope in Him, obeying and be patient.

Aloy/Emeka, Aloy/Emeka. Aloy/Emeka. Eee melo ni mo pe iwo omo obinrin yi?
Maa ma binu bayi. Kilo le to be to fi fara ya?
Too bu obinrin egbe e dele dele doonoo doonoo?

Obi eniyon ko la ma nfi tayin.

Sora re o, iwo omo obinrin yi. Hu iwa sisi. Maa soo nkon tio daa si elo mii o. Maa bu awon obi eni yon o,

@Jenifa; Sisi mi. Maa daa Aloy/Emeka. Ko waa lati okon ee.
Mo ro wipe asiko osu e la wa yi.
Maa binu.

they should have asked him to point out the portion or portions of the Quran that instruct/s him to attempt to or kill innocent people, on a plane, bus, ship, helicopter, in building, street, etc.

i will love to read that portion/s, which i am sure is/are not there, but a made up interpretation based on his desire and the desire of those who are in the same mindset.

I and over a billion of muslims have waited in vain and continue to wait for somebody to show us the part/s of Quran that allow/s evil. Evil is clear from righteous deeds in the mind of normal persons. You do not have to be religious to be able to know the difference.

a person who see and not color blind does not have to be a painter to know green color is different from yellow color.

a person who has acute smell does not have to be a perfumer to know the difference between sweet smell from what is pungent.

right is right and evil is evil.

@Aloy/Emeka: « #66 on: Today at 12:48:57 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 07:39:47 PM

this dude wants us to also yell 'my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?' instead Laa ilaha Ilallah. such yell is the clearest sign of disbelief.

since jesus followed the laws of Moses, aren't you aloy/emeka a man who 'he miss road, oh yah' as Fela said in the days?

We Christians don't YELL in the first place how much less yelling my God, why hath thou forsaken me. When Christ died on the cross, He said "It's FINISHED"; WHICH MEANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO YELL LIKE MUSLIMS TO RECEIVE THE ABUNDANCE BLESSINGS AND THE GRACE OF GOD. Ain't our God good?. If you really yearn for a true SWEETNECTA, quit YELLING Allah Akhbar and come to Jesus.[/Quote]And when we tell you guys, that you people [christians] are far from following Christ [as], you get bent out of shape. It is as if we in Islam are not correct on that very statement.

Aloy/Emeka, ho yelled out "My God, my God, why has Thou forsaken me" if it was not Jesus that yelled?
Why you are saying you don't have to yell, Jesus yelled. This shows that you are the opposite of Jesus in even a matter small or big, including what to yell about. And we muslims yell in surprise the same way that Jesus yelled.

Woman try sha. Some woman takes him as a husband. Thick skin, I say. patience. Persevere, dear woman.


But who will help evil when God plan to stop him?

The army of Allah may just be ants. Or wind. Or the heat.

Allah decides when enough is enough from Israel.

define what is a cult.

define what is a religion.

marry islam to one of them.

christian country?

where? name on and put maclatunji in it.

for 1.5 billion as in boy people, iran may just be too over crowded if we all make it the only land for islam.


not all of us want to live in Makka, the mother of the town.

things in Islam, like subject matter the op started the thread with are clear. most people will not the type of orphan and or the custodian discussed.

this thread, i hope will have many subject matters. in some you will see plenty of people responding. some am sure will be on salah, zakat, etc, etc.

you do realize that marriage is part of islam? see how many people talking about it on the single muslims talking thread?

salient contribution/responses you said? what is salient regarding a matter its foundation is on quick sand, seriously?

This is personal assignment.

Islam is an advise; Al dinu Islam Nasiha.

Some already begin to use it to improve their lives.

This section about being a sincere trustee is not meant for everyone, except as a form of "Knowledge".

Muslims are supposed to say "we hear and we obey", while you and your crowd, the disbelievers do say to God "we hear and we disobey".

Mr Davidylan, sir, I can do this all day long, when i have the time to respond to you.

This is not the Bible that you come up with whatever; eg, God is One Lord, but then you find 3 out of One in your Trinity.

How is that working for you?

study, that is.

pay attention to the title.
its 'weekly' sudy.

sometimes, the course material is self explanatory that there is no need to ask question or even comment.

Allah says that believers should have no opinion upon what Allah, or His Messenger [as] have decided.
believers should accept it. and to say if there is any reason to speak; we hear and we obey. forgive us, oh The Most Merciful, Most Forgiving.

Show me the original, Mr. Ola  ade gbu.

Or there is no original, but most ancient manuscripts in another man's tongue, aka el greco, etc?

Quranic verse is so potent that 1 verse may answer many questions.

and many verses may answer 1 question making it clear in the minds that are not completely diseased.

Did Davidylan pay attention to the open caution presented in the Quran against unjustly devouring habeas corpus [i know it liberaly means the body, but lets call it the property/trust]?

And it is stated that the return of the property by the trustee to the beneficiary, still an orphan is to have the litmus test of the age of puberty; age of marriage. This age of marriage disproves, by this verse concerning wealth of an orphan the lies of non muslims against the messenger [as] on the matter of the marriage to his youngest wife, Aisha bint Abu Bakr [ra].

1 verse addressing the minimum age that wealth can be returned to the orphan. same age for marriage to be contracted and not before.

Answer: How about neither, but all kinda pagan religions, including atheism, agnostics, humanist, naturalist?

Where are are still options, it is unwise to eliminate those options and then you restricting us to what are not.

Pagan man is hiding the truth, big time. very typical of all kinds of disbelief.

@Olaadegbu: And science says bats are mammals, not birds. This alone may have sunk the bible in the eyes of science or science is wrong when it does accept bat as a bird.

[Quote]« #19 on: Yesterday at 10:43:57 AM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 12:18:04 AM
@Debosky: « #14 on: Yesterday at 11:14:40 PM »Age of the earth is much much older than 100,000 years. that was just last night in comparison with the age of the earth.

before man was created, the earth was already in full swing of beings. Man was the last to be created.

You didn't answer my question - how old does the Quran say the earth is? Or is it silent on this subject?[/Quote]yes. Quran is silent about it because people may assume that whatever age given is at the point they are hearing/reading about it. Quran is for all times; from the time it was revealed to the last person that will be on earth. if it says 50 trillion years, what happens when a man reads it 50 million years after the time of prophet Muhammad [as]? obviously, it will not be 50 Trillions then by at least 50 million years.

you can find the age of the earth as a rough estimate in your time. Until the best measuring process is developed, who can actually say specifically. It we say we have the best device now, are we saying there will not be a better more accurate to be developed in the near, if not the far future? And knowledge is not complete, yet, among mankind.

@rich4god; « #18 on: Yesterday at 08:16:31 PM »
[Quote]@op, We have only 1 God who revealed Himself to us in 3 different ways, thus TRINITY. In the old testament, He revealed Himself in a form we cannot see (ie thunder, fire, burning bush etc) we take that as God the father. In the new testament, He came in a human nature, as the son. And now, we all have the spirit of God working in us, thats God the Holy spirit. We do not have 3 God, bt rather we have 1 God who revealed Himself in 3 differnt ways[/Quote]in OT you only see His signs of being; via Thunder, Fire, Burning Bush, etc. All through these, you do not know anything about Him, according to your statement here. Not even His Name.

But in the NT, He made Himself known by Name, as the father? Is this what you are saying? If not, please make your position clearer. If yes, then who is I AM, Yahweh, etc of the OT and who is Ellah, of Jesus and Jehovah of Paul/the latin derivative of Yahweh?

Why is He a human and a son now, when to the people He chose, He was not showing up, even with a known Name, but only sign? re you saying that He now loth/dislike the previously beloved chosen and took the christians as His newly beloved when He became human and a son [May Allah forgive me, for I do not say this]?

In all, you now now say that He has changed once, again, only appearing as Spirit to you. When Jesus said that a spirit will come, even though this spirit will be from God, it is believed that this spirit is not God, but a servant, slave, messenger sent. At the time jesus was speaking about this spirit, he has not appeared, but his future existence has became a known knowledge to the disciples who have heard prophesy about his coming from the lips of Jesus. This is why the world, as in the nations of israel/Judea do not know him, yet, but he by speech from Jesus is already living in the hearts of the disciples, known to them as another prophet, a human to come in the future.

repeating as in speech delivery of what he heard from God, through His angel and directly from God as in Chapter 2 verses284/7 of the Quran. If all that you are saying is correct and Muhammad [as] is not the Another Comforter promised, then show me a previous Holy Spirit, and how many were they apart from 1, always? Show me the only one who spoke in the Name of the Lord God Almighty? Show me the "That Prophet" that the Jews were expecting so much that they asked John, if he was, among others; return of Elijah and the coming of Messiah before the "That Prophet".

Show me what the holy spirit said on the day of Pentecost. Or he didn't say anything, when he was supposed to teach, correct, lead, remind and glorify? Do you expect God to glorify Jesus more than had happened when jesus was alive on earth? If yes, then what new glory?

I want to learn. But no christian is willing or capable to teach us about Jesus, the holy spirit, the day of pentecost all in one lecture. You can not compartmentalize these 3 especially in the light of what Jesus said about the another comforter and tests of who is a true prophet of God and the work of the another comforter versus what is reported happened on pentecost.

the grandfather should butt out. just because his effort contributed to the father, it is not his right, islamically to name the grandchild; same way the raising, educating, etc of the grandchild. 'this role', of it falls on the father. after all, it is the father who the daughter will be a bint to, while the father is an ibn to the grandfather.

tradition of islam rest strictly on Muhammad [as], not on local tradition; which may be bidah.

as the brother rightfully said; a good name in any language as long as it does not go against islam is good. but any name of people of islam is what we want, if you must choose an arab sounding name.

i will not name a child tijani for example. no child deserve to be abu shams because of abujahal, or abu lahab.
i will give my daughter yemisi and my son segun instead.

whats in a name? everything. many people have followed the footsteps of who they are named after. Umar are usually tough. abu bakr generally generous, wealthy. ali strong and intense in intelligence. bilal, everyone imagine you to be the mu'adhin.

abbass; financial/banker/excellent trader.

@Olaadegbu: Whats there a lie when the non talking , voiceless ghost came instead of the talking in the fashion of 'he shall hear God and speak all that he heard';

correcting by it, leading by it, teaching by it, reminding by it and glorifying by it'?

when did the that prophet appeared?

finally, Jesus warned people not to abuse anyone in even so much as to call any a fool, leading to lake of fire.
then he called people fools, even worse.

i see why olaadegbu is a kufar; he fails to follow instruction.

i asked you to get me the tract that shows children of israel performing hajj to maaka.

instead i received rcc/mary and muslim. come on.

you missed the Q and the u on the Quran. instead you wrote oran.
or was your intention to orange?

if your bible prophesied about Ishmael before he was even fetus, i say from the life of the man known as ishmael,
the bible's prophesy was false, because nothing the bible said of him was correct.

instead isaac got the worse deal.
marrying a wife who deceived him and his son. talk about sleeping with the enemy and having danger to your health as a mother.
with horror of a wife, he was blind. his grandchildren are a set of crackpot; some intending to kill, lying, and except innocent benjamin and victimized joseph all of them are schemers/scammers.

talk about original 419ers.

ishmael is the rejected according to the bible. then his bloodline produced the cornerstone that made grand mansion complete.

All Glory belong to Allah.

so your position is the same as the 'ignorant' muslims, right?

boy genius, you are!

at least the muslims have iman. iman is greater because if you lack it, all the ilm is zero.

ilm, whereas makes iman better, more robust and clear. it can soar to greater level.

ilm that is not implemented, put into use is zero. really against the own who possesses it.

your correct or incorrect observation is ilm. but your iman is very wretched. what therefore is the benefit of your ilm?

it is similar to a fellow who has wealth, but decided to bury it in the safe; he deprives himself and the community of the good from the wealth.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ please tell you will never die.
if you can't which life therefore did his dying guarantee that you will have?

are you for real, lady?

did jesus told the guy that there is trinity, when he even prayed to one God?

sisi, did jesus say to you he came to take away your sins? remember you are from obodo 9ja.

Jesus said there is a 'That Prophet" to come to comfort you because he has spirit of God in him.
Did you listen to Jesus? No. You just decided to deviate.

How did the spirit except if he is a man capable of speaking to you to glorify Jesus, remind you of what Jesus said, lead you to all truth, correct the disciples, etc? What did he correct them about? Do you know?

did mr. dave [not david letterman] get anything from the beautiful words written?
or his prejudicial mind will not let? veil islam from it, if you can. but it is such a powerful word.

more powerful than 'turn the other cheek'. you may turn the other cheek because you can't fight but dumb enough not to run; a suicidal move i say.

what the prophet [as] said is be able to overlook the weakness of your opponent. don't take advantage of it so that you do not become like him. think about how your Lord sees your not acting ignorantly.

@Debosky: « #14 on: Yesterday at 11:14:40 PM »
[Quote]@ Sweetnecta

Just a question for you on the issue of 100,000 years. How old is the earth according to your holy book? Does an age of 100,000 years for the ark agree with the age according to your holy book?
[/Quote]Age of the earth is much much older than 100,000 years. that was just last night in comparison with the age of the earth.

before man was created, the earth was already in full swing of beings. Man was the last to be created.

@Debosky; What is found on Mount Al Judi about 17 miles away from Christian's Mount Ararat is older that 100,000 years.

we can't therefore say what is found at Mount Ararat which is 4,800 years old is similar.

@Olaadegbu: Nothing the People of the books can provide of spiritual superiority that will make Muslim come for any education.

Allah says to Muhammad [as] and his followers [ra] and all muslims to go the people of the books to ask as a way to challenge the people of the books, confronting them, so they are forced to speak the truth.

Watch the documentary video that I provide. I am watching it now and Allah is the All Knowing.

@Olaadegbu: Here is a documentary about Noah;s Ark.

Enjoy. Allah is always the Speaker of Truth.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVCvzGr7h1g&NR=1

@Olaadegbu: Watch this video clip. It states that the vessel is over 100,000 years and it is found in mount al judi.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIzyxDr3j44

this is not like your yesterday's 4,800 years.