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Atheist:-D:
You either protect your lands and beliefs (not necessarily violently attack others) or you succumb. To willingly sacrifice yourself is selfish and somewhat silly.

There are some greater goods that self sacrifice is considered. religion is not one of them.

Please stop speaking from two sides of the mouth...on one hand; self sacrifice is "selfish and silly", on another hand, it is "considered for greater good" determined by your "immense" wisdom. Do make up your mind please, you may flip a coin to help you choose.

ajufinz: Forgive my trespasses, it's not intentional. I'm only here to promote a case for the course for which Mama Mary was made to bear unto us a son- Jesus.




The overshadowing of Mary before Pentecost was to make her conceive a son - Jesus.
However, after that Jesus see born, He lived and left for all an example for those who most get to His Kingdom.
but at pentecost,
"Acts2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit? and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them".

This had to happen to fulfill, "Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Aha, the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary to make her conceive a son. No doubt to you it was an ordinary act. You should have said "merely to conceive a son". May I enlighten you a little. When the Holy Spirit descend on Individuals, the fulness of the Holy Spirit descends, He does not come in parts, but the physical manifestation of the individual is only biased towards the unique purpose intended at the specific time. In the case of Mary...Conception for the purpose of bearing God the Son, in the case of the apostles...Speaking in tongues for the purpose of preaching to men of different tongues and tribes. However, the fruits of the spirit remains same for all such fortunate individuals whether received before pentecost such as Mary, or during pentecost such as the apostles, or even after pentecost such as we. Mary showed clearly that inner wisdom and knowledge when she displayed her faith in Christ as God (by wanting a miracle),her hope in God (by her instruction to the head servant), her love for neighbor by interceeding for the couple. These and more which she constantly displayed are signs of the presence of the Holy Spirit that has continued to dwell in her even after the incarnation.

Pray for us sinners.

Atheist:-D:
Ok. Why didnt they take arsms and fend off their attackers and die in that act. Or accept subjugation and worship quietly until they can cause an insurrection. This silly martyrdom because of a belief in gold, milk and honey in the after life is a cause of many a mans woe.

Take up arms and fight for what they believe? Why do you still think in this manner? Despite the efforts of Martin Luther king jr and Ghandi, you still believe in violence to defend your beliefs?. It's a shame indeed.

Segeggs: idolatary

continue sitting on your NL judgement throne, while they work out their salvation in fear and trembling.

chukwudi44: St Jerome was never a protestant and should never be potrayed as one.He was working under pope Damasus and remained a catholic till death.It was only more than one thousand years after his death that protestantism was birthed.

Let's just believe he wasn't talking about the saint. Else he would be visited by God's wrath for mentioning such great defender of the faith among those.

Atheist:-D:
What a pointless waste. They died for nothing

They died for what they believed and to emphasize that freedom of worship is a human right. That's heroism in secular parlance, Matyrdom in the religion they profess, if you call that nothing, then you're simply existing...a life in bondage.

ajufinz: She's blessed among women cause she was choosen and favored by God to bear His Begotten. However, she also had to believe and follow Jesus' teachings one of which helped got her filled with the Holyspirit in Acts2:, as Jesus promised. She had to fight out her own salvation though this sin racked world to get to Heaven.
Her role ended immediately Jesus Died and Resurrected.
We don't need she prayers again. She by God gave us the way: Jesus.
Mama Mary, has nothing left to do for/with the world after she died. Else, the Bible would have state so.
I believe the Prayers of my Priests, pastors and fellow believers get answers becuz Jesus says so,
Matt. 18:18-19.
18“Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be [a] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be [b] loosed in heaven. 19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you ON EARTH agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.(NIV).
Beloved, find Jesus,
Know Jesus,
pirLove Jesus,
Follow Jesus...
Without this NO ONE can See God.

I am weary of repeating certain arguements on this forum, you may go to my profile and check my posts, I' ve discussed on the topic of saints prayers. More so several of my brothers and sisters here have said a lot on it and could even give you links. I have some limitation since I' m using a phone. The Holy Spirit will overshadow you was told to Mary before pentecost you know, but that apart, that she has nothing to do with us now, was never mentioned in scripture, yet you fabricated such an ascertion. Continue to acuse me of not knowing or loving Jesus yet the gospel of Jesus was spread and died for by people who shared the same faith with me. By their fruit you shall know them is scriptural isn't it?

Holy Mary, mother of God.

Sal C: I thank God for a day like this. I was worried about not attending mass today when I couldn't attend morning mass. But as God would have it I later attended mass right inside my working place. Christ has ascended, my prayer is; when he come again in glory may we never be found wanting. May Christ's ascension bring us a lasting joy.

Amen!

ChEkWaS IyKe :
No doubt, all d pple dat hv comment so far are all Catholic. So to say if I did nt say it exactly hw is it said cus am nt a Catholic. Dat reminds me. Why mass instead of service?

So you want non catholics to jump in and defend your lie or what? Please be christian and appologise for that obvious falsehood, and be free. Ube has answered your question, just to let you know that you do not need to lie in order to learn.

Ubenedictus: if st maria gorreti was confused then i pray God grants me that same confusion he granted her

Indeed I need twice that confusion, the world is now more pervert filled than then.


And blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.

ajufinz: She's indeed full of grace, graciously Christ came though her.
However, I'll never pick on the person of Mary.
My ish here is that the prayer to or through Mama Mary does not reach God. It promotes idolatory....
Block rosay, Our lady of Fatima, any image we bow to offends God.
The (Roman)Catholic church ride herself of all forms of Idolatory and heracy.

She is full of grace, yet you say her prayers does not reach heaven but your pastor's for you will reach heaven. ok na.

The lord is with you. Blessed are you among women.

@OP, Pls listen to the brethren and retrace your steps. I am sorry, I was wrong ...is not a bad Idea. Take heed of Italo's post and make amends because "you have been weighed and found wanting".

ajufinz: The amazing result is the confusion the so called pray as left it's prayerers...lol
I'm freed from that darkness,
Nd more a coming out.
Born a catholic , die a catholic!
Me, nah! born a sinner, l'll die saved by Jesus' love through His death and resurrection.

Seriously, It left mother Theresa of Calcutta in confusion? It left Pope John Paul 11 in confusion? It left St. Patrick of Ireland in confusion, It left St. Maria gorreti in confusion? Do google these names and see what light is. Oh what a holy confusion these ones must have been in, may it be my portion than the conviction you propose.

more are coming out you say? may I remind you that Islam is the fastest growing religion, but does it make it the way? Rather the word of Jesus himself should be of grave concern to you " ...when I come, shall I see a single faith?" So rejoicing that you are following the bandwagon may not be what you should be doing now.

Hail mary, full of grace.

Boomark: The Corinthians were having divisions among themselves, 1Cor 1:10-11. Paul then urged them not to go beyond what is written, 4v6. He wrote them letter of admonition and also taught them.

What are the things that are written?

1Tim 3:16-17
All scripture(ie all that is written) is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching,...
17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

They were always urged to write down the revealed truth for teaching, etc. I believe whatever truth they receive will be written down and spread to the various churche?s for teaching.

First and foremost, paul was addressing a specific issue and not on the totality of their belief.

Things written also includes 2Thess 3:15 "...hold on to...Oral and written traditions...".

Moreso 1Tim 3:16 said "all scripture" it did not say "only scripture", can't you see a world of difference there?

where exactly were they urged to write down the so called revealed truth? So truth transmited orally loses its authenticity, but whatever is written becomes truth right?

Boomark: which church building are you talking about, where you can find all you need?

Am not sure of the spirit that was guiding those men to agree on trinity. What the Holy spirit inspired which was written is different from what those men choose to agree on. Stop putting your trust in men.

hehehe, now you are quarreling with scripture, 1Tim3 :15 "...the church, the pillar and foundation of truth".

Ok, you're not sure which spirit led them, how are you sure about the spirit that led them to accept the songs of solomon and reject the gospel of thomas as scripture for the universal church? How are you sure which spirit led the apostles to observe Sunday instead of Saturday observed by Jesus as sabath? And you didn't put your trust in men in all these! Let me not go further abeg .

ajufinz: ...hmmm this is gettin more interesting.
The prayer line isn't God of Mary save for us sinners, is it?
Why then did God become flesh (through a virgin then?).
So she can reach Him (mediate) for sinners?
John 3:16
"for God so love the world that He gave His only begotten son that Whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life".
JOHN 1:12
To them that believe and accept Him He gave them power to become sons (children) of God.
Where is the place of Mama Mary after all these and more...
Matt.7:7
Ask and you shall receive,...

Why do you discriminate against Mary? what is it about that beloved of God that itch your skin? when I talk about any other child of God eg Italo praying for me, you have no problem, but when I talk about the blessed Mary praying for me, you tell me Jesus is mediator. Is Jesus not the same one in whose name Italo and Mary pray? Did mary ever show sign of contradicting Jesus? You believe that those who approved the books of the bible in 385AD latest where led by the holy spirit, several of them and their successors 45yrs later approved the prayer "Holy Mary, mother of God..." and it has been said ever since with amazing results, yet you say that the same people were not led by the Holy Spirit in this case. hmmm, I tire for you o. Make you check am well na.


now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

ajufinz: Yea!
I can almost agree with you on the ish of intercession but the one done by the living for the living.

Mother Mary is dead and rested. She didn't choose to bear and bring the Savior, God choose her. Havin done that the Savior then demands that through Him all who believes now have access to the Father....
This I believe and as worked for me.

Dearest, God is capable of saving an individual who know, believe and practice part of the truth. It doesn't remove the fact that the one did not believe in the whole truth. However, if Jesus said that Abraham, Issac and Jacob are living, why do you then think that mother Mary will be dead in that regard. Our God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Mary, He is the God of the living, and not of the dead.

pray for us sinners

Boomark: The Holy spirit inspired all that you need about Christ and you are looking for details. What is written is all you need because it came from God.

If you are looking for those that died for their religion, then i will refer you to the suicide bombers in Islamic religion. Their teachers also confirmed that they died in error instead of truth.

Are you following the actions of those you think are right(ie men) or the truth in the word of God? What WTS/ i taught about Godhead is the truth in God's word and trinitarians are afraid to comment on it. That shows they have been holding unto the doctrine of men from the beginning.

All this is because they have gone beyond what is written.

The Holy spirit in sacred scripture says that all I need is found in the church, that all I need is not wrtten. Bookmark says that all I need is written, pardon me if I do not follow Bookmark!

Please be careful in what you say,just to support your opinion, you may be offending God greatly. Imagine comparing suicide bombers who kill people, with Holy men and women who were massacered in cold blood because they held on and propagated their christian belief. If you are a christian, then you must know that the seed of christianity was sown in the blood of matyrs.

On trinity, the thing is that people get tired of repeating arguments that have been decided long ago by the church under the guidance of the Holy spirit. After One thousand seven hundred years, it is like going into arguments with someone who believes that snake spontaneously evolve from stones. The theory of spontaneous evolution and your theory about non trinitarian God have the same space in archives, they have both been proved wrong, you only need to research a little outside what you've been fed.

ajufinz: Ok!I'll read if I find space.
However,I believe the authority of God's word : the Bible cannot be down played by 1917 Fatima parition or any dream or acclaimed visit to heaven, It's either the above corroborate the Bible or it on it own.
No matter how long a lie lives it cannot eraze/out live the truth:
John 14:13-14(NIV)
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
John15:16(NIV)
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that WHATEVER you ask in my name the Father will GIVE you.

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Fatima apparitions never contradicted any part of scripture. Since you like visions, that is a more public vision with prophecies that has already come to pass.
If it is a lie from before 430 AD, practiced by people who approved the present bible for the universal church, believed by those who lived and died for the gospel for centuries, then I want to go to where they went to when they died for christ. I'll rather beware of modern teaching for obvious reasons.
No one is quarreling with any part of the above scriptures, except you think your asking your brethren to pray for you contradicts what you've quoted. If asking another to pray for you does not stop it from being through Jesus, why do you think Mary's own does not pass through her son, Jesus?

Holy Mary, mother of God

Boomark: Yes! Disobedience to "do not go beyond what is written."

the bible is enough to give you all that you need. Whether G or g we still get answers from what is written.

When i show people the meaning of Godhead from the scripture, they disappear with immediately effect. Because they borrowed their trinity doctrine from what is not written. I began to wonder which spirit gave them the conviction that Godhead meant 3 persons in one God.

The bible tells you it is not the pillar and foundation of truth, the bible tells you that some other word of God is not in it, the bible as a matter of fact tells you that all that Jesus alone did is not in it...not to talk of the apostles, yet you say that all you need is in it. Well, for me, I am not satisfied with part in things spiritual, I need the whole because its a serious issue to me. I guess that's where we differ. On trinity, a lot has been said in defence of it in this forum, If you' re still holding to your WTS teaching on it, so be it. What else can I say, I believe in what those who died spreading the goodnews and making disciples of all nations believed in, for by their fruits I knew they were led by God. They believes in the trinity and they were right.

Ijogz K: I have always had interest in the ministry of the Angels. I searched online, but couldn't get the best result. I am still not satisfied by this, can anyone refer me to a book or site that I can read extensively on this issue?

The book "Angels and devils" by Joan Carrol Cruz, published by tan books could help.

whoever wrote that piece should be ashamed of calling himself a christian. He claims to be writing for ahiara but all I see is mbaise this, mbaise that. Such people should be avoided like plaque by anyone seeking salvation. Such are those who seek to gain the whole world and lose their soul. Ahiara Diocese please do take heed.

I agree with those who called it a joke, only because they linked it to the catholic church. Else it would have been no different from the female ministers in various non catholic groups. Ordained in a protestant church by God knows who, yet claims catholicism...that's where it becomes a joke.

ajufinz: The Lord is with you, blessed are you among women, is not d problem!

The heracy abf the prayer is 'pray for us sinners now....'


However, Jesus as began to send His Children whom He allowed to visit heaven to warn Catholics and other faithfuls against Idol worship.

Mary has played her part, there is nothing she can do for earth again. She's isn't an intersessor. Jesus is and remain the only WAY to the father- Heaven- Help.

aha. are you aware of the fact that this part of the prayer was made official for the universal church as early as 430AD? and used since then by all, including those who died for chrstianity? and Jesus was happy until now according to you ,then He start sending people to say no? hehehe, test all spirits...talking about those who visited heaven, why not google " fatima apparition 1917"and read a little. while you are at it, note that Jesus has no. problem with asking any member of his body (the church) to pray for you.

and blessed is the fruit of your womb,Jesus.

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Boomark: Why is the church afraid to add those revealed truth in the bible?

If we should follow that and go beyond what is written, then every church should have their own truth and no body should question it.

Whether JW, catholic, anglican, cherubim, Adventist, etc, they all have the truth.

The apostles wise and knew why they said "do not go beyond what is written." to avoid lawlessness and division as we have it today.

lawlessness and division was borne out of disobedience. Not all that is written is agreed upon today. Even Martin Luther, denounced james epistle since it contradicted his sola fidei cry. JW changed G to g where it refers to Jesus and formed a totally diferent meaning...yet they where all written. For almost 1500 years, these truths where taught in the church and practiced. A couple of:pauls letters and one or two from Peter,James,john and jude cannot be all the apostles and desciples wrote, taught or did, neither is it all that the church posses. The bible is a teaching aid for the church which is the pillar and foundation of truth. In the bible is not found the entire word of God, for even all that Jesus did is not found in it. The early church realised this and accorded obidience to the the teaching authority of the apostles, and appointed elders. But like Adam and eve, disobidience must come in later, that's why we are where we are ...not because certain things were not written.

Boomark: Like i said Angels commune and make request to God. But what we are looking at is: Were they empowered to receive prayers from Man and in turn offer it to God?

Boomark: Man's prayers are received by the High priest and offered to God.

Boomark: Still the same thing. Angels make request to God for men in general not individually. Tobias prayed for himself while the Angel offer it to God.

Boomark: Like i said Angels commune and make request to God. But what we are looking at is: Were they empowered to receive prayers from Man and in turn offer it to God?

Jesus urged us to pray and ask God for anything in his name and he will do it, jn 14:13-16. When you pray to God through an Angel, it is contrary to the arrangement God has made in Jesus. Because Jesus is the only way to the Father.

Can you compare prayers made through Angels and the one made through Christ which should be more effective? Besides, Angels don't receive prayers from men and offer to God...that is the work of our High priest(Jesus). We have an advocate with the Father who is jesus, our mediator, 1Jn 2:1.

Do we dread him so much that we now choose to go through Angels and Mary? Did he not ask us to come?

Our Father said He knows our problems but He wants US to ask. How can you be telling Angels and Mary to pray on your behalf when the Father wants US to do it ourselves? Do you also tell them all your problems to beg God on your behalf? I hope you see reason in these things.

Rev8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Rev8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. I believe the scripture answers your question in bold letters.

You ask if we dread him so much that we have to go through angels and Mary? and I answer thus: you said earlier

Boomark: "It is either a man prays for himself or he prays for another and our Lord Jesus will mediate.

In this your statement you meant that a man who prays for another is not actually mediating, but Jesus does. Why then do you think that an angel praying for man is mediating and not Jesus. The truth remains that any saint(man or angel) praying for man is actually doing the prayer like you said,and Jesus;the mediating.

You and I agree that angels are saints. You and I agree that angels pray. You and I agree that God loves their prayers and answers them. I have shown you that they pray for men Zech1:12. I have shown you that they offer our prayers to God Rev8:3-4. Now you've heard His word....


Tobit 12:12. "When thou, Tobias, wert praying, and with tears, when thou wert burying the dead, leaving thy dinner untasted, so as to hide them all day in thy house, and at night give them funeral, I, all the while, was offering that prayer of thine to the Lord". You may not have this Deuterocanonical book (not my fault), but it conforms with what you read in Rev8:3-4 above.

Boomark: I think word of the mouth comes first because they have to accept Christ through word of the mouth preaching. Then after establishment, the apostles will have people they can send letters to.

Good answer.It means that a church(under the leadership of those he appointed as bishops) has been established, to which the apostle is writing in encouragement, admonition or instruction. Such a letter is not likely to contain all that the apostle taught the church, that's why he told them to hold on also, to what he had taught them while he was with them by word of mouth. It is the church's duty now to preserve such teachings and transfer them to their children and future generation. This is why the "written word of God" did not claim to be the pillar of truth, rather it gave that authority to the church in 1Tim3:15. All that you need for salvation is found in the church, for the church has in her possession both the "written and verbal word of God as taught by Christ and the apostles" and Holy Spirit continued to be with the church even after Paul to "teach all things". Jn14:16&26.

Why is my heart filled with joy, each time I hear this man speak? His speech is unambiguous and indeed universal. It applies to the church in Argentina just as it applies to the church in Nigeria. The catholic clerics should look beyond the Pulpits in the physical structure of a catholic church, and see the Pulpit for a greater congregation found in the media, in the ghetto,in the streets where the "sheep graze", and where the wolves abound.Where actions speak so much louder than words.

Oh sublime prayer against worldliness, which presently is the bane of supposed Men of God. The shepherd is very watchful I must say, and pointing out the present danger...he is surely doing.

Viva Papa!

Enigma: Continuation 3


Of the word "catholic" as an adjective.

And of distinction between the small 'c' catholic and the capital 'C' "Catholic" as in "The Roman Catholic Church" or even "The Catholic Church".
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E. The Road Back Towards catholic as an Adjective!

As noted previously, Theodosius' Edict of Thessalonica marked the legal entitlement for a Church to claim to be "Catholic"; in other words to be part of "The Catholic Church". According to that edict, the primary qualification to be called "Catholic" essentially was adherence to the doctrine of the Trinity.

As noted earlier also, even prior to that, some had already started to use the expression so as to exclude some others who also claimed to be Christian but who held to some different beliefs; notable among such beliefs was Arianism. The Arian controversy of course eventually reached a head with the Council of Nicea held 325 AD which condemned Arianism (and also Docetism). In addition a Council was held in Constantinople AD 381 which confirmed the Creed accepted at Nicea and added confirmation of the acceptance of the Holy Spirit also as God; this was presided over by the Partriarch of Alexandria. Thus the "Trinity" issue was settled. Or was it?

Anyway, in the wake of the earlier Council of Nicea, some were already, even before Theodosius' edict, using the expression "The Catholic Church" to exclude especially Arians. Meanwhile, it is to be noted that Arius and the Arians were originally part of the group which now seeks to exclude them from the club and which now lays exclusive claim to "The Catholic Church". Notable people who used the expression "The Catholic Church" in this way include Cyril of Jerusalem, as mentioned previously, and also Augustine of Hippo. With the advent of Theodosius' Edict, this position became even more strengthened. But of course the Arians continued to see themselves as Christians and called themselves so.

Look at that!Oh how lovely, coming together in one faith;they protected the sheep from the wolves...Oh and they did it with authority. "It has pleased us and the Holy Spirit..." Acts15. What happens to those who refused to follow their counsel, Were they also led by the Holy Spirit?

To make things even spicier, there were other Christians who believed in "The Trinity" but did not adhere to "the classic version" of 'The Trinity' advocated by the majority. At this stage of course, they were technically still part of "The Catholic Church". Funny, there are at least two forms of this "non-classic Trinity" positions.

On one extreme, you have what came to be called Nestorianism i.e. the view of those Christians who (roughly) emphasised the separation of the human and divine natures of Jesus Christ. The rest of "The Catholic Church" condemned Nestorianism at the Council of Ephesus (more or less Turkey) in 431 AD. Interestingly, the chief antagonist of Nestorianism was the Partriarch of Alexandria. Another interesting thing about this Council was that it was the one that declared the "Theotokos" i.e. Mary as "God-bearer" (or "Mother of God" if you like) - the Nestorians' preferred "Christokos" i.e "Mother of Christ". Anyway, the Nestorians of course continued to see themselves as Christians and went to form their own churches especially in the "East" - places like Persia up to China and India!

Why do I feel like shouting Alleluia here. Did you just say "Mother of God" in 431AD? Seriously? The majority of those who called themselves Christians acknowledged Mary as the Mother of God even before 431AD! I thought it was something concocted by one Pope.

On the other extreme, you had those who emphasised the merging of the human and divine natures of Christ. They came to be called non-Chalcedonians or "monophysites" though they prefer to call themselves "miaphysites" apparently. And guess what, these miaphysites were from Alexandria; so it was the turn of the Alexandrians to feel the heat from the rest of "The Catholic Church". Anyway, the opposing view of the rest of "The Catholic Church" came to be known as the "dyophysite" view. It is also known as the Chalcedonian view because a council was called at Chalcedon (again, more or less Turkey) in 451 to deal with the matter which settled in favour of the "dyophysite" view and the "Hypostatic Union".

An additional problem in this case was that the Alexandrians themselves were divided and after the decisions of the quite messy affair of the Chalcedon Council, the Alexandrian Church broke into two. One part went on to form the "Oriental Orthodox Church" (including the Coptic, Syriac, the Ethiopean/Eritrean Tewahedo Churches etc). The other part opted to accept the Chalcedonian view and thus remain with the rest of "The Catholic Church" --- although in the Great Schism much later on they were to go with the Eastern Orthodox/Orthodox Catholic Church and end up in schism with the Roman Catholic Church.

And so, leaving out all sorts of skirmishes, eventually "The Catholic Church" faced its ultimate crisis with the Great Schism. This schism was caused by many factors; some doctrinal, like the 'Filioque controversy', others seriously political. On the political front, the Church of Rome kept trying, especially from the 4th century onwards, to claim some power over the other Churches; those ones disagreed. To make matters worse, the 'youngest' of the five main Churches i.e. Constantinople was given a rather elevated status: called New Rome and only second to Rome at Council of Constantinople mentioned earlier; "somewhat declared equal to Rome" with the controversial Canon 28 of the Chalcedon Council!

Anyway to cut long story short, the Western Part of "The Catholic Church" i.e. the Roman Church (with essentially the rest of Western Europe) and the Eastern parts of "The Catholic Church", basically i.e. the rest, separated from each other from about 1054 onwards.

Thus, "The Catholic Church" as known for hundreds of years before became kaput! Strictly speaking, that "The Catholic Church" can be said to have then become defunct --- although of course both sides still claim to be its continuation.


TBC

ajufinz: Me was in that darkness many years ago and get, it takes God to see the light.
Man 1.2billion peepz After 2000 years of the light?
What's covering them eyes?

Aha,they've been in darkness since eh? And yet kept custody of the faith and spread it to the nations in all this 2000years. Now the light suddenly shone eh?

The Lord is with you, blessed are you among women