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shdemidemi: He was talking about the kingdom of heaven.

Which of them are the gentiles citizens of in eph2:19-21.

Syncan: So in your reckoning, the apostles did not fufill Christ's command of ...unto the uttermost part of the earth?

Preaching to the jews found in gentile areas first was not left for the apostles alone, Paul employed that method too, see Acts 17. Did the Bible tell you that Thomas died in India or that James who was later killed by Herod was in spain preaching, four years before his death? Making a conclusive statement on something that involves a whole lifetime of the apostles, by just a verse narrating what happened at the death of Stephen is faulty. Even my favorite Ethiopian eunoch was preached to by phillip and he was not a jew.

Again, Paul you said ,came with the gospel of the "church", I wonder if it is the same one built on Peter? Matt 16:18-19.

@Shdemidemi, My questions here are not answered yet.

shdemidemi: I will explain as briefly as I possibly can-
Mathew 10
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Jesus sends the disciples out but told them not to go to Samaritans and gentiles. He had to die for them to become a part of God.

After Christ had paid the price, He says this in the book of Acts 1-

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The disciples were never use to taking the gospel to the gentiles, the general belief is that God is theirs.

Acts 11:19
19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

Christ needed someone to take his gospel to the gentiles, he picked Saul. Christ kept him away for three years, he came back with the gospel of the mystical body of Christ called the 'church'.

So in your reckoning, the apostles did not fufill Christ's command of ...unto the uttermost part of the earth?

Preaching to the jews found in gentile areas first was not left for the apostles alone, Paul employed that method too, see Acts 17. Did the Bible tell you that Thomas died in India or that James who was later killed by Herod was in spain preaching, four years before his death? Making a conclusive statement on something that involves a whole lifetime of the apostles, by just a verse narrating what happened at the death of Stephen is faulty. Even my favorite Ethiopian eunoch was preached to by phillip and he was not a jew.

Again, Paul you said ,came with the gospel of the "church", I wonder if it is the same one built on Peter? Matt 16:18-19.

shdemidemi: That is where the problem of religion crops out from. Christ was under the law of Moses before He died for the propitiation of our sins. Christianity started after the old covenant of the law was annulled. Christ appeared and gave Apostle Paul the gospel to the church.

I am really not sure I get this. Where in all these comes in Peter and the rest of the apostles?

shdemidemi: puffed up about what really, how many times have I called you to join me in looking at the scriptures instead of arguing?

Yes I read through the thread, and I saw the main target repeatedly tell you he is not prepared for it in his own way. You wouldn't let go, you'll rather he engages you unprepared, that did not seem like one who wants to learn or even enlighten, it sounds more like one eager to impress or show off. That, my dear is a put off.

shdemidemi: You are all about your five senses, your cognitive energy- Sorry you can't comprehend God with them. if God says it, believe it.

What do you know about the act of sin and sin nature

old man and new man

inner man and the flesh

Go bible study jo.

If the ethiopian eunoch was as puffed up in pride as you, he would not have been baptised. He had the bible yet he was humble enough to know that he could read without understanding, unlike you.

shdemidemi: Very correct, that takes us to the gift of prophesy been talked about in

1 cor 13
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


Prophesy here is different from what prophets did in the old testament, it means teaching here- Paul was not alone in the teaching of the word, he sets up the church and he leaves. There were people that had the gift of knowledge and of teaching what Paul taught before the epistles were printed.
Ultimately the epistles have all the doctrines we need as a church.

Seriously? The epistles? You really believe this? You may need to read again 2Thess 2: 14 and John 21:25.

striktlymi: I meant idolater!!!

I think its more like " the idol than the idolater".

Okoro2015: A bishop acquires canonical possession of his diocese when personally or by proxy he shows his apostolic letter to the college of consultors in the presence of the chancellor...this must take place within the diocese. Canon 382 S 3.

What happened at seat of wisdom if u must validate it means Owerri just got an Auxillary bishop.

I think enough has been said to you here, I shall desist from joining issues with you on such a forum for the sake of the church. How long did it take before a non italian Pope ascend the throne? Was it done by protests? Is Jesus still the head of this church? Does He know about this appointment and allowed the two popes approve it? Is it the God you serve that instigated the mbaise people on this dissidence to His Vicars? What will be wrong if there is no bishop among the present crop of qualified priests, but bishops among the ones in the seminary now? Do you know that the milan diocese already sent out congratulatory message to Cardinal Sogano of milan as the new pope before it was retracted (without protest by italians) on the election of Pope Francis? If you guys really believe in the God you profess, is this not supposed to be his fight? The ridicule caused the body of Christ by this is outrageous. Bishopric! Oh what a field day the enemy has had in ahiara. Everyone is talking, both friends and foes of the church that the sheep knoweth not now the voice of the shepherd. I pray for ahiara diocese.

Christmasdon: I myself, I am from Ahiara diocese let justice be done. From All saints catholic church obodo ahiara.

So, Ahiara brethren, what is justice? I guess the romans would have rejected Pope Francis from Argentina, or Pope Benedict xvi from Germany as Bishop of Rome. PH diocese should have rejected Bishop Etuk Udoh from uyo, or Lagos diocese reject Bishop Okogie from Edo. Make una wake up o, una boat dey sink.

c.fours:
what an insult. is it his job to search for successor? See as he is talking as if he's running a royal palace.
Anambra people need to impeach him and show him who is boss.

Abeg pour ice water for your temper biko, no vex too much.The man was in his lodge when a group of those he governs visited him with a request:"...and urged him not to let the people alone decide who his successor would be". He responded that he has not seen any suitable candidate yet(probably waiting for all interested to declare, so as not to dissuade any one), yet he still reminded them that it is their duty "the people of Anambra State needed to be vigilant to ensure that a man of character and integrity becomes the next governor of the state". I really do not see why the bashing of the governor.

Boomark: And it is also written that we should not allow anyone judge us about keeping the Sabbath, that is who now belong to Christ. Col 2:16-17. Read this one carefully, Heb 4:3-10. If you enter God's rest, you have rested from your works, the Sabbath we observe TODAY or daily it is. Tell the SDA's i said so.

Since you are still under the law, how many people have the church stoned to death according to the law?

I really should give you back your own prescription,Heb 4:3-10 actually helps you understand that Paul wasn't proposing the doing away with the sabbath in col 2:16-17. The sabbath is a day of rest and in that Heb 4:7, it is limited to a certain day (not any day). In verse 8 it could have been understood by the SDAs that Jesus did not change the day from what it used to be. History has shown that the early church observed the sabbath and still gathered together in the homes to break bread on Sunday, Please see Acts 18:4. Research the matter a little and you'll understand what I'm saying and when Saturday was substituted for Sunday. Do not get me wrong,I can defend the use of Sunday with the authority given to the Church by Our Lord Jesus Himself, however I do not submit to this authority in one and challenge it in another. I submit in Her authority to remove circumcision as a prerequisite for becoming a covenant child (Acts 15 Jerusalem), I submit in Her authority in deciding which books to make public as a single unit(Bible) to aid the universal christian communities (393AD Hippo-following), I submit in Her authority to affirm that Father, Son and Holy Ghost are Divine (325AD Nicea,381AD Constantinople), I submit in Her authority to declare that Mary is mother of God (431AD Ephesus). I believe because the gates of hell shall not overcome her Matt 16:18, I believe because what She bounds is considered bound Matt 16:19. I submit my intellect to faith in Jesus Crucified as found in the good news which the church is the custodian, I submit my intellect to faith in all that the church teaches, for the church is the pillar and foundation of truth 1Tim 3:15, and I am safe in her care.

striktlymi: Lol!!!


No joke man...it was terrible while it lasted...

Anyways, the OP is my way of saying that I have malaria

May God grant you a speedy recovery bro.

MostHigh: Jerome Emser was on the side of the reformers in the beginning.

But he later skewed off the path.

Exactly my point, it couldn't have been St. Jerome, son of Eusebius, else ....

NL member: Please rest your case very fast before you end up sounding more confused than you presently do


lol
So you have gotten tired of accusing me of wanting christians dead you want to switch to accusing me of wanting you arrested?
If you could not understand the point I was trying to make with that simple comparism then I can't help you. Draw whatever meaningless conclusion you want to draw from my posts.

*yawns* nearly 24hrs and still waiting for your decision.Stop being a cry baby and chose a stand.

MostHigh: Is that all?

You care to try?

NL member: You wrote that part in sarcasm, don't even try to lie that you didn't.


Since you can't understand English, let me get my point across with a simple comparism.
I'm sure as a Nigerian you do not have respect for our corrupt politicians and their lying ways, you don't respect their self centered natures and you don't respect them for their insatiable greed.
Does this mean you want them dead? Does the fact that you have no respect for their corrupt lifestyles mean that you want them killed?

Did I write it? Yes. Was it what you said? Yes. Did you take it into cognizance before making your accusation? No. I rest my case.

Now you accuse me of not understanding English,I now know why you pick and chose what to read from my post...I must have been typing in a strange language and throwing in occasional English words now and then, making you to catch only the later. Sorry,It must have been my keyboard setting I guess.

Your mindset continues to show as you speak, and it continues to vindicate me, albeit comparing religious belief(an Ideology) to corruption(a crime). I have zero tolerance for Corruption and if it's within my power,those corrupt politicians will all be arrested,their properties confiscated,while they serve jail terms. Now I ask, Is that what you plan for Christians?

NL member:
See why I said I have no respect for you people?
How did you come to the baseless conclusion that I support the communist ways of the old USSR?
Jokers

hahaha, has it come to reading in parts? What was the next statement after the one you put in bold? The more you comment, the more you buttress my new found conviction about you and your ilk. I already mentioned that you said you do not subscribe to their method(though atheists that they are), but your decision is still been awaited.

NL member: Disrespect for foolish and irrational beliefs does not mean the same thing as wishing for the death of anyone, if you like twist the meanings from now till next year, it will never mean the same thing.
If you hold ridiculous and crazy beliefs that don't make sense then you will not get my respect.
Simple.
That does not mean I wish to kill you or I want you dead. Killing those that don't follow my beliefs is Yahweh's job and I have no desire to do a thing like that.

Had fundamental human right of individuals be yours to decide, I shudder at what you'll come up with. Oh no...I do not need to Imagine, it has already been seen in the early days of communism in old USSR, even in China. But I forgot, you said you do not subscribe to their method of disrespect, yet you've not decided on what yours is. Ok, take your time, no hurry in life.

Atheist:-D:
So I cant air my beliefs too. So I must accept their beliefs and throw away mine. I was talking according to my beliefs. I you want to debate my belief we can discuss reasons for or against chosen martyrdom however I still have a right to air my opinion and you have a right to challenge it.

It is not a high horse, it is reality. Needless lives wasted, and to prove what? Why dont you head north to Maiduguri and get martyred there if you are so certain it is not pointless.

Here is what I said:

Syncan: ...Learn to air contrary views with respect....

Kay 17: @syncan so you are holding me responsible for another person's comment?!

Since you chose to become his defense attorney,you should at least be aware of the crux of the matter.

NL member: Me shift leg? For what?
I didn't shift leg from anywhere and I didn't make any u turn.
You said


Now on which part of this thread did I say christians should be hunted down and killed?

You said that we should not be respected in our religious belief(which should I remind you is our fundamental human right). That statement of yours is the Ideology of the ottomans(from the post),that's the Ideology of the Boko Harams,that's what the al Qaedas et al profess. And these all have one thing in common, they hunt Christians down and kill.Oh I forgot, you do not stand with them on these again, you propose another way of disrespecting their right to worship, You jail them like the communists abi? Or you have another invention.

A nice write up Odumchi. Aka ndi nze diri gi.

Boomark: The issue he address was all about following Christ instead of men. Read from verse 1 of 1Cor.

To cut this short, what did the church fathers say is the meaning of "Godhead?" we will concentrate on this alone.

Now you are giving me your interpretation of the passage. Why should I accept yours? What background knowledge do you possess? 2Pet.3:16 is still before me as a caution. You should take heed too.

Are you suggesting we officially derail this thread to what Godhead means?

Boomark: I asked if it is a church building. The issue of Sabbath is very clear. We are no longer under the law of Moses. So the people you are talking about should not boast. The apostles even made it clearer in Acts.

Do you need to ask? Me thought what is written is clear to you, not so again?

hahaha, "we are no longer under the law of moses", need I remind you that its the third; of the ten commandments, we are talking about here. And should you have forgotten, it was written! Why not tell your story to the seventh day Adventists, when they cry "what was written" to you. You simply pick and choose after 1800yrs and you think you'll be right?

Kay 17: I just wanted to make it clear to you that criticism doesn't always meant disrespect to a religion. That was my comment simpliciter. You were the one who tot I confused condemnation with criticism, apparently I didn't. So it is either you agree or disagree with my comment.

Really? Kindly tell me what you term the statement below:

Atheist:-D:
What a pointless waste. They died for nothing

Or the respect to a religion in this:

Atheist:-D:
Ok. Why didnt they take arsms and fend off their attackers and die in that act. Or accept subjugation and worship quietly until they can cause an insurrection. This silly martyrdom because of a belief in gold, milk and honey in the after life is a cause of many a mans woe.

I leave you to your heart as i said earlier.

NL member: Oh no, I am not asking that christians be hunted down and killed. Not at all. I am not yahweh that loves killing those that disagree with him.
I just don't think people that follow illogical and largely contradictory beliefs deserve to be respected.

Another atheist shifting from leg to leg.What on earth is wrong with you guys!Do flip a coin or throw a dice...whatever...Just take a stand before you comment and make a clear u-turn when you feel inclined to change opinion.

ajufinz: You are more interesting then I assumed.
But, Pray for us sinners? Hmmmm...
U're still one?
JESUS IS THE ANSWER TO THAT Prayer that's why she accept to bear Him.
He said 'come unto me all U who have laboured and are heavy laden, and I'll give U rest...'Matt.11:28.

I agree with you that the Holyspirit doesn't overshadow one just for a partial work. However, b4 Immanuel happened to mankind the Holy spirit mainly came upon 'men' for a specific duty, Samson, some Prophets and Mary.
While with the Apostles plus the women who followed Jesus were promise that I(Jesus) had to go so the another will come. This time to dwell in them. Mama Mary experienced this at pentecost too.
Yes! To Believers He helps us to lead the Jesus life and sinners He convicts of sin and judgement.

What does the prayer of Mary offer a sinner? Or those who prayer for her help?

I delibrate introduced the Holyspirit jst to butress the fact that God the Father,God the Son and God the Holyspirit planned the creation of man and salvation of man from sin all along. Events from Genesis to Malachi showed to the coming of Jesus. Isaiah prophesied the virgin birth, the why and manner of Jesus' death.
Mary was chosen for a particular assigment. Should she say no another would have taken she. We are all flesh and blood meant for God's glory, but He won't force us.

"Interesting" ehn? I wonder what thoughts about me you hid with that,no qualms anyway.
Yes I'm a sinner,for though I often want to do good; but I find the thought of sin close by(Rom.7:21). That's why I die daily(1cor.15:31),striving towards perfection(Matt.5:48). So I beseech my brethren to pray for me to God(Rom.15:30),that He may grant me the grace I need(2cor.12:19),because in Him I can do all things(Phil.4:13). I am aware that the more righteous any of my brethren is; the more effective the prayer(James 5:15). Hence I beseech You who claim not to be a sinner(though I have 1John1:8 before me)to pray for me,I also beseech my brethren gone before me, the spirits of the righteous made perfect(Heb.12:23) of whom among them,Mary,the mother of Jesus who is God,ranks highest, to pray for me too.Indeed I call on the Angels too, "pure spirit" that they are, to pray for me as well (Zech.1:12).


Now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

Kay 17: ^^
Then probably I'm expantiating on your post

In your heart lies the truth. When I find out that I'm wrong, I retrace my steps in a civil manner. I do not switch over like I've always meant the opposite, or make it look like am neither here nor there, I guess we are not the same. "Probably", another one sitting on the fence, why am i finding this as a common denominator among those who claim atheism?

NL member: Why didn't god save the matyrs from the invaders? Why did he not protect his people against them? He knew the ottomans were going to invade the land of his faithful worshippers and kill them yet he did nothing to stop them from being victorious.
The religious people on this thread really have some nerve asking to be respected for worshipping such a god.

Yes we have "some nerve" to demand that we in our belief(however ignorant you are of it) be respected, because that's what freedom of opinion and worship entails. However, to you we do not deserve such respect...no, we should be hunted down and killed. Descendant of the ottomans in the 21st century,do you need a crane to remove the log in your eye before removing the splinter in another person's? Just hear him, " religious people in this thread really have some nerve... bla bla bla".

Kay 17: Respect for the opinions of others includes criticism.

Please, why do you have to quote me, if it's just to make an off point statement. What in my comment suggests you shouldn't criticise? Do yourself a favor and check out the meanings of "criticism" and "condemnation". Then come back and read my post with new illumination.

Atheist:-D:
Self sacrifice is silly when it is in regards to religion. It is wasteful too.

There will always be reasons where self sacrifice is appreciated. I do not believe avoiding religious conversion is one of them.

" I do not believe..." What difference does this phrase make? Who gives a hoot what you believe or not? What makes you so superior that what you believe or don't believe should count? You better come down from that high horse and learn to respect another's believe. Learn to air contrary view with respect,except you still live in the illusion of cerebral monopoly.