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Boomark: We are getting to the truth not to win debate.
look at Rev 1:1
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


Rev 12 started with "a great sign appeared in heaven..." In v5, the sign is not about Mary and Jesus cos Jesus has already been born and is now in heaven. this not a revelation of how Jesus will be born. the woman fled to the wilderness and spent 1260 days. did this happen to Mary? from v7, can you tell us when Micheal battled the dragon? these are things that have not taken place at the time of the revelation

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I am not talking about vs5 yet, do not trouble yourself.I wonder which Interpretation you are using, but your belief that the Devil/Dragon/lucifer is still in heaven baffles me indeed and should baffle every Christian reading this too. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!(Is14:12). We probably are still waiting for Isiah's own abi?I believe I must have said it before...Do not behave as if the Bible fell from heaven to you, and the mandate given to us to obey your Interpretation. Rev 1:19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter"(Past,present and future).

From the bolded, don't you see that all the things written by the apostles are more than enough for us to use? what council treated are things that are beneficial to the saints and not the new name God, Mary should answer. not the names angels should bear. The protestants might be protesting the murder committed by the catholic church cos they know the Holy spirit can not inspire such killings.

If you watch, I do not respond to certain posts here.I do not waste my time on frivolities or arguments based on Ignorance. You hold on to a collection of books that you cannot prove it's authenticity,nor it been Inspired of God. You dissociate yourself from the councils held after the apostles; yet one of such councils as late as 385AD gave approval to what you hold so tenaciously as your Bible; for the teaching of the universal church. In 1517,According to you "The protestants might be protesting the murder committed by the catholic church"...when? Earlier? in their time? Why not take sometime to read about the spread of Christianity from the apostles, through the ages, till now. Christianity is not a new religion and you are learned enough to truncate such tales by moonlight stories you heard and study a bit.

Boomark: I now understand you. Bro please read Rev 1:1. All these things are yet to come to pass. So it still stays as "erroneous catholic doctrine."

Please read Rev 12:7-17 and tell me again that "All these things are yet to come to pass". Please note that I am not here to defeat you on a debate, so lets not deny the obvious when it comes. Often times people deny even what they use to believe just to win a debate.

False doctrines abound. Even when the apostles were still alive. anyone can say that flogging people chicken/fowl to deliver them from demons, is an oral tradition passed by the apostles. Beware! Normally, those in heaven are holy and when you see any of them you can call him holy one. Our Father is Holy, Christ is holy, the Angels are holy. But the people Called the holy ones in the bible are humans, sanctified in Christ.

Exactly why we are where we are today. The early Christians identified the church as the "Pillar and foundation of truth" 1Tim 3:15. The church has leaders and they have the final decision on faith and moral as exemplified in the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15). Their final decision on issues, after due consultation, is to be taken as coming from God "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things" Rev 15:28. The Apostles handed over to other leaders of the church who continued to spread the Gospel in the manner of the apostles, they held councils when the need arose and their decisions were binding to all the faithful "whatever you bind, consider it bound... Matt18:18". This is why I said a little study can help us...We are Christians, we have a history spanning nearly two thousand years, men have died for what we believe in,their deeds we should know as well. Peter preached and practiced Christianity, so did people in 100AD, 200AD, 500AD, 1000AD, 1500AD, 2000AD. Let's not behave as if we are the founding fathers. Yes many have come with false doctrines, and Various Councils have quashed them.Circumcision heresy; quashed by the Jerusalem council Acts 15, Aranian heresy quashed in the First Council of Nicaea 325AD, Nestorian heresy; quashed by the Council of Ephesus in 431AD, etc. Even the Bible as you know it was confirmed by a council first. All through the ages, an individual opinion never supersedes the council, since an individual could be in error, no matter how saintly. Peter the apostle was in error on the circumcision and the Jerusalem Council took care of that. If humility had been exhibited as Peter did,by the fathers of protestantism 1517AD,we will not be in this position now. All denominations holding unto the same Bible as their reference(acclaimed bible churches), still preach different doctrines. Truth is one and cannot be contradictory, yet all contradictory teachings are claimed to be from the Holy spirit. Now they have done away with the leaders, who will hold the council.

Boomark: Still nothing on the holy ones in heaven. Why am asking is because there are so many erroneous catholic doctrine based on it. the 1cor 1:2 you quoted showed us who the saints are. the humans who are sanctified in Christ Jesus are called saints. Maybe the apostles called themselves saints(holy ones) instead of Christians. these holy ones are the ones whose prayers are ascending to God from the golden bowl. This God is the God that answers our prayers and Christ our mediator has made it possible that our prayers(prayers of the holy ones) get to Him.

the article in wiki could be written by anybody. what we want is bible truth. If there is anything wrong in what i have written, point it out. You don't pray to any saint in heaven. we are the saints and that is what differentiates us from others here on earth.

Thanks for your submission.Nothing on the Holy Ones in heaven? Rev 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"; Rev 7:14 "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb". Rev 7:15 "Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them". For now, leave the "erroneous catholic doctrine" as you call it and let's accept what is clearly written.

On the Angels being called Holy ones or saints. Let me make it clear that the Bible as you have it today did not fall from heaven; with a voice from God saying " Take and read and practice", even then, many will still doubt. Know it that the Bible is a collection of books believed by Christians to be Inspired by God and which aids in the practice and spread of Christianity. 2Thess2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. If those who listened to Onesimus (for example) preach after the death of Paul asked that he show them were what he preaches was written by Paul, what will he do. If I engage you now on what makes you believe in the books of the bible as Inspired by God, you will only end up quoting the same Bible that i said you should authenticate. Now I've taken you to a study that is not in dispute, Greek language still exist, early works on the Bible in Greek are still here. You read the Bible in English and you're ready to argue about the meaning of a word without taking into complaisance the origin of the word? That's not good enough.

chukkynwob: I have one question please,

I am not a catholic so let me talk of what concerns Christians in general.

That model that poses as Christ in pictures,how did Christians come to conclusion that he is the replica of christ?

Dear one.Jesus lived among men who could express themselves in writing and drawing, more so, we have relics like Veronica's veil believed to be the "shroud of Turin". The church has also had mystics who encountered Jesus in visions, apparitions, trance etc. Over the years, even in the early church,a kind of similarity in the features as proclaimed by acclaimed holy men and women, formed the basis of such pictorial representations. Till today, it's nearly unmistakable to identify a piece of artwork as at least...an attempt to represent Jesus. The beauty ranges from artist to artist(different artist,drawing a living person in front of them, could still come out with same picture with different degrees of beauty).

italo: "260 reports of abuse yearly in Protestant churches "



June 15, 2007
BY ROSE FRENCH

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.

The figures offer a glimpse into what has long been an extremely difficult phenomenon to pin down -- the frequency of sex abuse in Protestant congregations.

Religious groups and victims' supporters have been interested in the figure ever since the Roman Catholic sex abuse crisis hit five years ago. The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950 -- 228 a year.

Protestant numbers have been harder to come by because the denominations are less centralized than the Catholic church. Some of the only numbers come from three insurance companies -- Church Mutual Insurance Co., GuideOne Insurance Co. and Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Co. Together, they represent a large chunk of all U.S. Protestant churches.

http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/429030,CST-...
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Why are your protestants pedophiles? You are allowed to marry.

Of the multitude shouting Crucify him, Crucify him...only the chief priests knew what they were doing. It would have benefited others to sit back and say "Why this noise? Why should Barabbas be released and not Jesus? Now, Instead of asking, "Why the fight against celibacy when non celibates commit same crime? Why propagate Gay marriage and proscribe celibacy? the multitude is shouting again yet only the Chief enemies of Jesus know what they are doing.

Boomark: You are confusing yourself here. That an angel is holding a bowl containing the prayer of the saint(s) does not mean he is a saint. "Angel saint" this is man made. Those in heaven are always holy.
Good you know there are saints on earth.
Where you quoted in Rev did not answer the question "who are the saints(holy one) in heaven"? When you start asking ur self such questions then what you believe in will be clearer to you.

Please my brother, keep an open mind to learning, for as long as you are alive we still learn. Do not send to trash an information; simply because you've not heard it before. This below is something you should know if you cared to do a little research yourself.

"The Bible uses the terms מלאך אלהים (mal’āk̠ Elohim ’ĕlōhîm; messenger of God), מלאך יהוה (mal’āk̠ YHWH; messenger of the Lord), בני אלהים (bənē Elohim ’ĕlōhîm; sons of God) and הקודשים (haqqôd̠əšîm; the holy ones) to refer to beings traditionally interpreted as angels. Later texts use other terms, such as העליונים (hā‘elyônîm; the upper ones)".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel.

The one in bold tells you that Holy ones were used for these beings called Angels, go back to the meaning of saints that I posted earlier, and it's origin. Saints are holy ones, they could be angels as you can see in the emboldened; or they could be men as I have quoted earlier from scripture (1 Cor. 1:2, Romans 1:7). You may say that there are saints on earth, but be aware that you cannot be so sure; since everyone on earth is still prone to sin. That is why St. Paul used that phrase "called to be saints”.

Understanding Scripture does not go without some background studies, else the words of St.Peter: "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" (2Pet.3:16).
We are fortunate that Christianity is already about two thousand (2000) years old, and over the years, God has raised for us those who interpreted Scriptures having done the necessary background studies, matching the words with the practice/traditions. It is absurd if we at this age do not understand that the Christianity we profess today, was practiced for almost two thousand years before us and preserved by those who were before us on this earth. That's why we need to do a little extra reading to be sure that what we understand the Bible to say is what Jesus taught, Apostles preached, the Bishops and Deacons after them Preached, the martyrs witnessed to and handed over to the next Generations after them. Now on Rev.5:8. I simply do not know why you want to argue if that is a vision of heaven or not, however take a look at Rev.7:9-14 that may suffice for you.

Boomark: The world knew already. Erm..the errors.

Who are the saints(holy ones)? Rev 5:8 never mentioned they are in heaven.

Saint is the English word for the biblical Greek word "hagios" which could also mean Holy. When we become Christians we are sanctified (Greek hagioazo, the verb form of hagios). It could be used for humans as well as Angels. Sanctification is a process which continues throughout our lives as Christians here on earth. Paul tells the Christians at Corinth and Rome that they “are sanctified in Jesus Christ,called to be saints” (1 Cor. 1:2, Romans 1:7). The "saints" on earth are saints in the making, while the saints in heaven are perfect, no longer struggling with sin, since they are in the presence of God. In the new testament we find the human saints "Rev.5:8" in heaven and the angel saints (Rev. 8:3-4) in heaven offering to God the prayers of those still on earth: “And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.” "Rev5:8" and “And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer [it] with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, [which came] with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.” (Rev. 8:3-4).

italo: Of course, I know. I was just using it to illustrate how they go from here to there to try to distract from the issue at hand.

I know very well that Peter was married and that the Church's celibacy rule for priest only came about later.

It is not a Catholic doctrine (that cannot change)... it is only a 'discipline'...

Cheers and thank you.

Matt 19:12 "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it". Clearly this is a higher calling...to be more like Him. Even St. Paul said as much "For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that" (1cor7:7). We can all serve God, but in different capacities. In 1tim3:2, We see St.Paul giving out criteria for choosing a Bishop or Deacon. Such Criteria is what the church gave out from her experiences in the spreading of the Gospel, in a council reminiscent of (Acts 15). The beauty of such rules has always been acknowledged over the years and this quote by Dr Dollinger in 1870,one who was at the time outside the Church, and made at a time when most German speaking dioceses started doing away with the celibacy rule.

"You in England cannot understand how completely engrained it is into our people that a priest is a man who sacrifices himself for the sake of his parishioners. He has no children of his own, in order that all the children in the parish may be his children. His people know that his small wants are supplied, and that he can devote all his time and thought to them. They know that it is quite otherwise with the married pastors of the Protestants. The pastor's income may be enough for himself, but it is not enough for his wife and children also. In order to maintain them he must take other work, literary or scholastic, only a portion of his time can be given to his people; and they know that when the interests of his family and those of his flock collide, his family must come first and his flock second. In short, he has a profession or trade, a Gewerbe, rather than a vocation; he has to earn a livelihood. In almost all Catholic congregations, a priest who married would be ruined; all his influence would be gone. The people are not at all ready for so fundamental a change, and the circumstances of the clergy do not admit of it. It is a fatal resolution". (A. Plummer in "The Expositor", December, 1890, p. 470.)

italo: @ Richieboyn,

Nice one, thanks.

One thing we must know is that most protestants are not really after the truth. It is not just that they dont know, they dont want to know. That is why, when they raise an objection to a Catholic practice or doctrine e.g purgatory, and you address that issue comprehensively, they dont say, "okay you are right," they just go ahead and say "you worship Mary," "Peter was married, but you Popes dont marry," "you drink alcohol" "you baptize babies" "priests abuse children" etc...

Why do they do that? They cannot handle the truth about purgatory so they try to run away by listing other issues and distracting you from the original topic.

You look at a place like the US and you find many intelligent Protestant and evangelical Pastor becoming Catholic e.g Scott Hahn, Jeff Cavins etc. They do so because they kept seeking the truth even when they were protestants. Most Nigerian protestants are not open to truth like this...they are only seeking opportunities to bash what they do not understand, when they argue.

However, we must still do our bit for the very few who might be genuinely seeking truth.

My brother,the highlighted is priceless.

Where is the phone number of this man...abi na woman sef, representing my constituency,there should be another freedom of information bill specifically for NSE

Culbobby: I don't mean no disrespect but anytime issues concerning catholicism pops up,i remember 'DA VINCI CODE'.

Don't worry bro, When you talk about God, it's natural that the devil comes to mind...

Reyginus: Okay. I didn't invite you in the first place.

Yeah, seems the spirit kept me ahead.

Reyginus: Lol. And you don't see this as an invitation?

Syncan: I really do not feel it is fair to move the poster out of his post to yours, you've had your audience and he's got the right to have his. Its not difficult to bring your questions here is it? Even I prefer to contribute here than on your thread for some reasons.

I already turned down the offer earlier, not so?

Reyginus: Oh! Really? You didn't notice my reason. Good for you. Just one question. Are we under any obligation to comment in only one thread?

Exactly my point!

Reyginus: Oh! Seriously? Still catholic though. Let's meet there. No insults please.

Reyginus: Lol. Where in my post suggested otherwise. I have reopened the thread, by the way.

I really do not feel it is fair to move the poster out of his post to yours, you've had your audience and he's got the right to have his. Its not difficult to bring your questions here is it? Even I prefer to contribute here than on your thread for some reasons.

frosbel: Don't mind them.

I posted an article where it was said Jesus was not mentioned, a few pages later , I actually watched the video and admitted my error. Yet they want an apology to 1.2 billion Catholics, I refuse, I want to see the Pope himself and apologize and maybe preach the real gospel to him.

It matters not how many times you shout this, the truth remains that you know that prayer by heart, and do not need to watch the video to know it contains the name Jesus(mentioned with a bow of reverence). You adjusted the title, ok. The apology is not meant for the pope, no, it is meant for those who come to Nairaland to be informed, but were misinformed by your post. When you posted it, it was a message meant for an audience,now the message has been found to be wrong, the very least you can do really is"I was wrong,I'm sorry". Know that it is not out of place that people are already carrying this beyond your thread. Even if you are fighting for God,would it be nice doing it with a lie? And if you were in error as you said above then you could be in error in some other things,that's why even when you chastise,do it humbly.

Boomark: I hereby suspend/delete my apology. italo and ubenedictus should calculate the number of times they insulted me on this forum and apologize to me. Lets settle here 1st before we think of going to rome.

Dear one. Two wrongs never make a right,"no one lights up a lamp,only to hid it under..." How will some one else wrong make you ashamed of being right?

I would like to contribute to your thread...from the catholic point of view,however i do not like your opening statement. I wish it could be modified, it could at least start from the sentence "I opened this thread for all...". If your thread is meant to educate or enlighten, then it should show sincerity of purpose and love.

frosbel: Thanks a million.

You are welcome.

frosbel: Stop wasting your time with me, trust me you are getting nowhere.

Thanks.

frosbel: Catholics like Syncan and Italo are masters in the use of decoy to impress upon their hearers half truths.

Do you really need this announcement? Let the readers judge. I told you earlier, your actions are shouting louder than your words.

frosbel: ^^^

You only say sorry when you INTENTIONALLY wrote an article to deceive which is what you are implying. I cannot accept this , not in a million years.

Motive is the key word bro, my motive was well intended and I have rectified any anomalies that may have followed.

You are left to clutch at your straws and dig deeper into your slanderous approach, knowing quite well the facts.

Then again, I have exposed so much fallacy and fiction in the Catholic church , such that you and co are left with no other option but to malign my person , which is really what is left for your guys

Sin against the Holy Spirit , take your catholic fear mongering to another planet.

I shall leave the readers to judge for themselves that "You only say sorry when you INTENTIONALLY wrote an article to deceive". I can as well see that you changed the title of the post from "Jesus was not mentioned in Pope speech" to "Jesus was mentioned in Popes speech in retrospect". It means that despite what you accuse me of,I'm indeed making progress with you...no matter how small.I said earlier, I like to discuss religion, however i like to do it with love,sincerity and a mission to learn,correct or enlighten.I do not know about your expositions; for you speak without love. All I've done in this thread is to constantly point you back to an omission, which you instead of attending to,continued to avoid. Discussing religion among those who claim to be Christians should not be like those whose discuss is driven by ethnicity,tribalism or other vices. Evil should beget evil, let good beget good.

frosbel: ^^^^

I repeat , in retrospect and on listening to the actual speech, Jesus was mentioned, ONCE or so.

On a review of the transcripts which formed the basis of this article , Jesus was not mentioned, following which after I admitted that he may have mentioned those prayers in full after watching the YouTube video.

I am not like your Pope who speaks from two sides of his mouth, mentioning Jesus while worshiping Satan with the other.

We do not follow the same Jesus pal, one is the Son of God while the other is a bogus member of a Pagan trinity, one is the sole mediator between God and Man , while the other, Catholic one , is a Co-mediator with Madonna.

I am happy that people...especially Christians are following this thread. I continue to say that true Christianity is being humble enough to admit wrong. Your opening post on this thread includes the prayer "Hail Mary". This prayer, you know by heart; as you were ones upon a time "a leader in the catholic church", more so you opened another thread where you criticized this prayer line by line, so you do not need the video to tell you. This prayer contains the name Jesus reverently mentioned, yet you opened this thread with this title. Now you know you are wrong, which makes the thread malicious and slanderous. Say it as it is "I am sorry, I was wrong", it has to be clear to all, just as the title is.I've told you that anything short of this is mere noise and those you want to hear your words are looking for ear plugs. Humility is a virtue every Christian irrespective of mode of worship admires, it is a common discernment tool. Deliberately denying a known truth is a sin against the Holy Spirit. You may need to revisit Mark 3:22-29 and see what happened there. The last on bold above simply reminds me of the "pharisee and the publican" both praying in the temple Lk18:11. Do the right thing...the truth shall set you free.

frosbel: Can someone tell me why the cardinal asked for his protection , not from Yahweh or even Jesus but from Mary ?


"Let us all pray together for him, that the Lord bless him and Our Lady protect him."


- Which Lord is this ? ( even the occult have Lords )

- How can our Lady protect him ? is God sleeping or in a state of slumber , that he cannot protect him ?



Here , in the Pope's own words :

"Tomorrow, I want to go to pray the Madonna, that she may protect Rome."


Why Mary ?

Surely if this Jesus they worship is the same one in the bible, they will ask him for help and not his Mother.

When Jesus was in distress he always called unto Yahweh, not this nonsense Madonna or Our Lady stuff.

Take a look at the ones in bold.You sure don't know which lord he is talking about, but you are very certain about who our lady is...Smh. Your audience are not that daft, they see beyond your words. I may like a good discuss in religion, however I like to discern who I'm dealing with, so as not to waste my time with the father of lies. This thread has a title, it has been proved erroneous, Own up clearly, there is what we call restitution, every christian knows it. The more you try to wriggle out of this by bringing in other issues, the more it's all noise what you say.

frosbel: ^^^^

Just listened to the actual YouTube video in full and he mentioned Jesus Christ ONCE or so.

The transcript which I originally read from multiple sources omitted this , possibly for brevity , such as HERE and HERE

So we are on the same page.

But to accuse me of pride as you so eagerly did a few pages away, was quite presumptuous and slanderous. I was also presumptuous in my initial assessment.


Albeit, he worships a different Jesus , the Jesus of the Bible does not sanction an iota of the Pagan worship and belief system in the Catholic apostate church.

frosbel: Even if he mentioned Jesus, which he did not explicitly by name, it is not the Jesus of the bible who he opposes in every possible way.

If you want to know about your POPE and the prophecy about him, read this :

"Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction." - 2 Thessalonians 2:3

By the way, I was once a leader in the catholic church, I can only thank God he brought me out of this LIE.

Please take a look at the ones in bold. If you were once a "leader in the catholic church" as you claimed, do you need to listen to the pope say a "Hail Mary" on you tube before you know it contains the name Jesus. I've told you earlier, the more you put up defenses, the more you move farther from the light and truth,the more you become...not free. As long as this post carries this heading, what you need to do is retract your accusation in very clear terms,Say "I am sorry, I was wrong". Do what is right, the christian virtue called humility demands it, truthfulness demands it, justice demands it. "Take heed lest you scandalize any of these little ones...". "By their fruits we shall know them".

Boomark: I did not see it from the written text but later heard it from the video. its ok.

Thanks for the clarification. The author of the text(post)is frosbel, and he knows the prayer. If you heard it, then the Pope said it,period. Let's say the truth always, irrespective of who it favors or hurts. Discern every spirit. By their fruits you shall know them.

ewet: Hear your self. we r talking abt the 2nd naija bridge totally diff from the old one, with its own link roads. Looking at the distance btw asaba and onitsha i do not think its too much of a distance and its somthing the stste can do on their own without having to wait for the FG and allowing themselves to be continually fooled. The states govt can build a second bridge thru PPP.

Please find out what makes a road federal or state.

truthislight: So, minus the chant called "hail mary", the pope does not know Withing himself that Jesus is the head of Christianity?

It is really a shame.
How then will he even remember the father?
Was that the way of the apostles that basically sang Jesus christ to people?

Frosbel, the pope if he is a follower of christ, he should not have waited for a chant to remember his leader.

If the head is not digging on christ directly but madona in his first speech what do you expect from others?

Maybe he was too ashamed to mention the name of Jesus christ directly to the whole world watching.

Ok, he does not have christ dead body it seems.
Smh.

Beside, being a follower of christ even goes beyond the mentioning of christ name, you live it 24/7.

However, how will you direct the worldwide viewers to christ if you cant talk about christ to all of them directly?

Was it a political gathering or a christian one?

The truth is, if it is just the "hail mary" that brought up Jesus name, then the pope did not mention Jesus name in his personal speech and frosbel was right.

Is "hail mary" his personal speech?
Was "hail mary" not in use befor he the pope was born?

Was his speech the whole congregation speech?

About the first on bold, i guess you've not read, heard or watched anything on the life of this Pope, well, just visit a friend that has a pay tv with CNN and...
About the second, what an argument, I will like to see frosbel use it as his defense that the Pope did not mention Jesus in his speech. Frosbel! lets see how low you can go.

frosbel: Even if he mentioned Jesus, which he did not explicitly by name, it is not the Jesus of the bible who he opposes in every possible way.

If you want to know about your POPE and the prophecy about him, read this :

"Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction." - 2 Thessalonians 2:3

By the way, I was once a leader in the catholic church, I can only thank God he brought me out of this LIE.

Humility continues to evade you.Though we're hidden in anonymity,but your actions speak so loud that your words become mere noise. You accused a man of not mentioning Jesus, irrelevant as that may be to those he shepherds,It has long been pointed out to you that you acknowledged that he did say a prayer "Hail Mary" which included words from the scripture, and in this prayer was the word "Jesus" reverently mentioned. The accusation remains the title of this thread and it is wrong. You need to acknowledge your gaffe, it is true Christianity to say "I was wrong, I'm sorry". As long as you do not...all i see is pride, the more you put up defenses, even you know you're going far away from light.

Boomark: Taaaa! I will continue to rebuke idol worship till tomorrow. All this jealousy, bitterness, shamelessness etc are they really for me? I don't think so.

After watching listening to the video, i heard the pope mention Jesus. What he said is Seigneur Jesus. If you don't listen well you might not hear it.

Later

Boomark: My brother, i did not see Jesus in the quote i commented on. Nobody is saying the pope have not mention Jesus in his life. If you see Jesus there tell me, if not you have to apologize for slandering me.

Dear brother, you are the one that has both comments above. Do not worry,I'm sorry you felt bad about my speech, though I wonder which of them you consider a slander to you.

ewet: This is like the 1000th time the FG has promised to start work on the 2nd Niger bridge. Now GEJ is playing this card for 2015 by goin ahead to deceive our south east brodas. Gov. Obi on the other hand has dissapointed me on this issue. For a city that is as commercially viable like Onitsha a PPP option btw the state govts of Delta and Anambra state and a private concessionaire cannot be too dificult. Why wait to go cap in hand to beg abuja to build this bridge. This is either lack of foresight or outright laziness on the part of Gov.Obi.

You actually have every right to feel this way, however, it will be a failed campaign strategy if by the end of 2014, we do not have about 50% completion. On Anambra and Delta State combining for a PPP, do not forget that that is a federal road,no knowledgeable company operating in Nigeria will enter into such a concession without the federal govt. And that's what Obi has been pushing for.

Boomark: Taaaa! I will continue to rebuke idol worship till tomorrow. All this jealousy, bitterness, shamelessness etc are they really for me? I don't think so.

After watching listening to the video, i heard the pope mention Jesus. What he said is Seigneur Jesus. If you don't listen well you might not hear it.

Oh...how our zeal to condemn drives us far from God. Irrespective of your mode of worship of the christian God, if what comes from you is not from the father of truth, it will surely come from the father of lies. The spirit of truth is also the spirit of humility and that is the one called "LOVE". By their fruits we shall know them. Frosbel! only the truth shall set you free. When you're wrong, please say "Sorry,I'm wrong". That's christianity!Anything else is from the enemy.