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Kamsified:
In a whisper* sweetheart, me thinks when it comes to sliminess, salc is just a learner compared to Syncan

Rich4god:
hmmmm... Does it mean syncan is the borrowee and salc the borrower...

Rich4god:
lol... If no be cos say you be my zing... I for ask weda u don join dia sal c...

debbie:
Just sneaked in, about to run away I heard my name ....turned back and behold this my brother called me ..ok, finally I answer present
How is every body doing? I misses u all.

SalC:
Sleeping........
*wakes up*
*Sees a familiar moniker*
*wipes sleepy eyes*........who am I "sawing"
*Looks again and he is still there*
Now I know am not dreaming, heck am not imagining things!
Welcome back bro, good to have you around again.
God bless you lots

Rich4god:
lol... Did salc borrow you some of her "sliminess"... Your response reeks of salc's sliminess... :p

Ubenedictus:
who am i seein? May u never cease in proclaimin d lord's praises. Thanks b to d Lord, where were u?

Kamsified:
You didn't answer my question o
Did you go for apostolic work

Kamsified:
Thanks a lot for this. It's so nice to have u back!!!!!!
God bless you real good

Kamsified:
Omg!! Bro Syncan is back!!!!!!
Thank God for journey mercies bro.

In a whisper, Bro Vest said you went for apostolic work, is it true

Welcome back a million times!!!

Kamsified:
Oh Lord my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the work thy hand has made
I see the stars and hear the rolling thunder
Thy power throughout the universe display

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Then sings my soul, my savior God to thee
How great thou art(2X)
Then sings my soul, my savior God to thee
How great thou art(2X)

When through the woods and forest glades I wander
And see d birds sing sweetly in the trees
When I look down from lofty mountain grandeur
And hear the brooks and feel the gentle breeze

When Christ shall come with shouts of acclamation
And take me home, what joy shall fill my heart
Then I shall bow in humble adoration
And there proclaim my God how great thou art

SalC:
Oh sunday rice? Let's see how next sunday is going to be,

Till then, I pray Syncan and Kamsified finds time to say Happy new year to us.

dolphinheart:
The questions has been asked long time ago, the reason I asked the question was because I noticed that people who belief in trinity have different explanations or understanding on what trinity really is , and thus before I discuss what trinity is and if its bliblical or not , I try to understand from trinitarians there personal understanding of trinity.

You took quite long in replying and thus we had moved on in the discussion , hence the questions are no longer relevant, talk less of the answer.

One thing I noticed from one of ur last post is the statement that " jesus is yaweh " .
This statement does not go along with the belief of syncan(who also belief in trinity) which is " jesus is not yaweh" .

With this two different belief in trinity, it makes it hard for one to understand trinity. Hence the need for inviting syncan to comment on your thread so that everyone can come to a full understanding of what trinity Is .


So far syncan has not commented , hope he is not playing the dissapear/ reappear trick u re employing .

But if syncan does not appear, oladeegbu, do u agree or dissagree with syncan beliefs that jesus is not yaweh ?
If you answer to this is yes, then you will have to repost ur belief in trinity to comform. To the fact that that jesus is not yahweh.
If the answer is no,then I can put syncan beliefs aside and discuss with you on ur own belief

dolphinheart:
Pls bear with me, I will reply ur post , but since you support trinity and syncan support trinity, I will wait till he answers my question .the question is : does he support oladeegbu's claim that jesus is yaweh? He can use simple yes or no , and he can give explanations.

Abi ,(to olaadeegbu and others reading the thread) dnt you think syncan should respond to that statement by oladeegbu?

dolphinheart:
Before I reply this post.
@syncan , pls pls pls, for the sake of those who want a better understanding of trinity. Is oladeegbu right when he stated that jesus is yaweh?


Even if you dnt have much time to explain , a yes or no answer is good enough for us

dolphinheart:
And pls tell him to stick to the bible, in simple terms , the bible explains the bible, we dnt need philosophy to explain it.

Pls help me ask him him if any of my statement is false

Jesus said he has a God.
Jesus said his God is our God.
Jesus Said we must worship the true God .
The bible said the true God is the father
Syncan said jesus is not the father.

vest:
@syncan try use simple grammar when u open the thread oh!

italo:
Syncan, na you go visit coconut head!

*Just kidding.

PriceOfGarri:
You have been following this girl lady. The other time, you asked her if she was from anambra.

Thank God she has come to meet you on the Catholic altar thread

Sister welcome!
You have joined the happiest people on this forum.

*gives woky holy cane to baptize her*

CANTICLES:
complete it na ..... The lamb get married to the daughter of tyre !!! The rendering of ur KJV is biased , and the fact that someone is called " God" doesnt make him Equal to the " ONE GOD, THE FATHER" !! The one God is composed of Only the father !! 1cor 8:5,6 ... I hear a barcelona fan say lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo are " Gods" !! talent

Let me get one point cleared: U And I are part of creation BY God .. Though not d beginning !!! Bible states plainly that Jesus is d beginning of CREATION by God ?? Yes / No

Freksy:
So your almighty God is a possession. How then would you describe his possessor, as a mighty God?

The verses you quoted excitedly in your previous post as proof of Jesus’ almightiness were talking about who?

…. These passages declare the preexistence … yes, he preexisted even the mountains and hills

25 before the mountains were set in place—before the hills—I was born, Pr. 8:22 NET

There is no big deal about that, but you accepting the facts that go with it. For example:
If a man begets another man, who’ll be the head? Similarly, if a God begets another God, who’ll be the head?

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1Cor 11:3 KJV

The almighty God existed before Jesus; Jesus existed before the man; and man existed before the woman.

QUESTION: In the above hierarchy of headship provided by apostle Paul, tell me the part that is true and the part YOU THINK is false?

Who made the following statements and what other words could have been used for you to accept that Jesus was created?

22 The LORD created me as the beginning of his works, before his deeds of long ago. Pr. 8:22 NET

25 before the mountains were set in place—before the hills—I was born, Pr. 8:22 NET

Truly, whose heart is hardened against overwhelming evidences of Jesus’ subordinate position to his father?

dolphinheart:
Continuation.....
U have still not answered question 1 too9 and 11

dolphinheart:
Sir
John 1: 3
Holman Christian Standard Bible
All things were created through Him, and
apart from Him not one thing was created
that has been created.

International Standard Version
Through him all things were made, and
apart from him nothing was made that has
been made.
Does these verse not butress my initial state that all things where made through jesus? After jesus has been created by God
I've noticed something about how U discuss. U take a verse or statement some one quoted, u start talking about it without expaining the verse before u jump to another. And u try asmuch as possible to evade other verses qouted in the same post .pls comment on all the verses quoted in the post .

CAPTIVATOR:
c'mon .... This scripture has first been applied to someone before Christ!! Did Jesus marry the daughter of tyre ?? Obviously not ! But the psalmist said d person did (psa 45:9) infact the song is about a beloved women whom a king admires(prologue to psalm 45) !!

there is one God the father .... And our lord Jesus will obey him till eternity !! 1cor 15:24-28 !! The son himself will also subject himself to THE ONE WHO subject all things to him !! Wow ...

dolphinheart:
A vivid example is when we say "mr syncan built a house" . Yes Mr syncan built a house, but Mr syncan did not physicaly build the house, he built the house through the use of bricklayers and other artisans.
When the house is being constructed , we don't say the bricklayer is building a house, we say mr syncan is building a house, because the house belong to Mr syncan.
Same with when we say the govt is building a fed road and uses Julius Berger to build it.
After completion, the road Belong to the Govt, we dnt say the road belong to julius Berger, despite the fact that it was the company that built the road . The govt built the road through the company.

So we were created from God, for God ,through jesus.

John 1:2, 3 buttress these fact further by stating that all things apart from jesus where created through jesus , signifying that it was jehovah that created jesus, but used jesus to create every other thing.

Jehovah is fittingly and uniquely called “the Creator.”—Isa 40:28.
It is because of God’s will that all things “existed and were created.” (Re 4:11)

CANTICLES:
Ur definition of God sounds crazy and unbiblical
Imagine john 3:16 ! God sent his only begotten son ... Dats clear . But ur devilish logic will render it as: God the father, the son, the holyspirit sent his only begotten son !! ....... Is the son not the same person called only begotten son !!! God sent God ?? Such heresy wasnt written , its all human tradition to make God'word invalid !!!


All trinitarians know that the whole doctrine will sink deep into the sea if dey admit the fact written about Jesus in Rev 3:14 : " ( Jesus) is the beginning of the creation BY God" !!!

dolphinheart:
Sir, I'm sorry , thought you where reffering to me as the origin of that statement. This brings about the question, who made the statement?are you the one that made the statement? Then its you that needs to state if its true or false first.
if the statement was not made by anyone, then there is no need for anyone to answer.

I've concluded cus you have so far up to the point of my typing and saving these post to answer questions that I've asked days ago.
If you think jesus is a proxy based on the bibles explanations , then its you against the bible.

Now ill use the bible to explain my belief , if you think that my understanding of the scriptures I'm about to explain on is wrong, pls quote the scriptures I explained on and give us ur own understanding .

1 corinthians 8:6

there is actually to us one
God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

New International Version
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord,
Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

King James Bible
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

International Standard Version
yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom everything came into being and for whom we live. And there is only one Lord, Jesus the Messiah, through whom everything came into being and through whom we live.

Weymouth New Testament
yet *we* have but one God, the Father, who is the source of all things and for whose service we exist, and but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom we and all things exist.


These verse helps me ( and I truthfully hope, u too) to understand creation better . That all things where created by the father through jesus Christ.

A vivid example is when we say "mr syncan built a house" . Yes Mr syncan built a house, but Mr syncan did not physicaly build the house, he built the house through the use of bricklayers and other artisans.
When the house is being constructed , we don't say the bricklayer is building a house, we say mr syncan is building a house, because the house belong to Mr syncan.
Same with when we say the govt is building a fed road and uses Julius Berger to build it.
After completion, the road Belong to the Govt, we dnt say the road belong to julius Berger, despite the fact that it was the company that built the road . The govt built the road through the company.

So we were created from God, for God ,through jesus.

John 1:2, 3 buttress these fact further by stating that all things apart from jesus where created through jesus , signifying that it was jehovah that created jesus, but used jesus to create every other thing.

Jehovah is fittingly and uniquely called “the Creator.”—Isa 40:28.
It is because of God’s will that all things “existed and were created.” (Re 4:11)

Jehovah’s first creation was his “only- begotten Son” (John 3:16), “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Re 3:14) This one, “the firstborn of all creation,” was used by Jehovah in creating all other things, those in the heavens and those upon the earth, “the things visible and the things invisible. ( Joh 1:1-4, 10, 14, 17) As wisdom personified, this One is represented as saying, “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way,” and he tells of his association with God the Creator as Jehovah’s “master worker.” ( Pr 8:12, 22-31)

Freksy:
You expected his son to have said: "I did this, I did that"? Look at you!

He has said it all in verse 30 '...I was beside him like a master workman,...'

He knows all that were accomplished through him, were his father's accomplishment.

Since you believe what you read from verse 27-30, do you also believe the following verses?

22 [size=16pt]The LORD created me as the beginning of his works[/size], before his deeds of long ago.

25 before the mountains were set in place—before the hills—[size=16pt]I was born[/size], Pr. 8:22,25 NET

QUESTION: 1. WAS JESUS CREATED? 2. DOES PROVERBS 8:22 & 25 AGREE WITH COL. 1:15?

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col. 1:15 KJV

CANTICLES:
do u even read at all .... Psalmist has Jehovah the God of d jews in mind , and Christ himself calls d father the creator ! U think he is proud as u , Jesus Exclaim "he made them in the beginning " Mark 6:10 ! He didnt say " I create them in d beginning" !! Though used....Matthew 19:4-6 has d details !!!

Jesus himself was created by the Father ( Rev 3:14)

Freksy:
In other words, if God uses what he created to accomplish his purpose, he has no right to say he is the maker. He is the maker of all that he did through his son whom he created.

[size=14pt]QUESTION: According to that Gen 1:6-7, the firmament divided the waters, but why did God say he divided it?
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CANTICLES:
Relax .... Jesus Christ Refer To His Father as the Creator (check Matthew 19:4-6 'what God yoke togeda' the one who create them ... Mark 10:6

Freksy:
1. You accuse me of quoting Ph 2:5-9 and removed the word, ‘not’. Can you please mention the page where the post can be found?

2. Col 1:15 was quoted to support the statement in parenthesis. See how it was below:

His father created him first (he is the firstborn of every creature, Col 1:15 KJV) and thereafter used him to create other things.

Why did you make it appear Col 1:15 KJV was at the end of my statement, to imply everything was taken from Col 1:15?

3. Again, you removed Pr8:30 I quoted to support the following:
‘….. I was master-workman at his side…’

You did not only remove it, but introduced Gen.1:3 that I never cited, but only paraphrased.

You ignore questions crying for answers in those posts, but are busy editing and misrepresenting my posts to deceive readers.