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CANTICLES:
Bro , they smell exactly as pagans ..... Who owns immortal soul ? Greek Pagans ! Who owns 3 in one god ? Pagans ! They dont know the true God and they dont care to know !!! They replace the divine name with " LORD" ! A title used by lawyers in addressin judges

When they say God ! They dont know whom they are callin, mayb it is God or Jesus or both ...... Infact I still ask dem what happen to the father and holyspirit when d son dies for three days ? They all died aftrall dey are one , or ar dey not one again? Bro, u can see the whole absurdity !

I came to realize that when u dont know the true God , ur prayer is meaningles ..... Notice their prayers wich is full of contradictions and repetition !!! .......

No wonder they all went to pray for a prosperous new year on december 31,2011 , only to enter a 2012 started with subsidy removal and 3 month strike .......... They went back again for this repetitive prayer in their various churches on december 31,2012 , what happen in 2013? An ASUU STRIKE that send all students home !!! .......... They went back again on december 31,2013 in their various churches as if its a ritual , this contradicting prayer , what happen in 2014 ? Strong one : EBOLA ! Bro, without knowing the true God JEHOVAH, and recognizing our lord Jesus as d one he sents ! Christendom is doomed

So this is what you guys stay in your "gossip kingdom hall" and talk about? It's so lame. While Christians are praying, you people in your cult are busy mocking them abi? Why will you pray, when you're eyeing IBB's house, to posses it when "Armageddon" comes. I no blame una at all. Pathetic lot!

CAPTIVATOR:
DEBUNKED " For us there is one God, The Father" 1cor 8:5,6 ! How many God ? One !! Whom is dat God composed of ? The scripture says " Only The Father" ! " Only The Father"

U ar defendin a bliv founded by the church and not the Bible .... " Jehovah" is the only true God john 17:3!

Trinitarians are cowards who search d scripture for selfish ambition, ....... So explain 1 cor 15:24-28 verse by verse for this thread !!

Jn 1:14 In the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,.... Scripture! You may now go and do the needful

Heb1:1-8. God, who at sundry times spake...But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:...Scripture! There must be a wall nearby.

Titus2:13. Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;...Scripture! O that today you listen to his words, harden not your heart, like your father Arius.

CAPTIVATOR:
I can see u dont understand what u are sayin at all ..... Funny enough, the scripture u just quoted to refute d scripture quoted by canticles said " Jesus thought it as robbery to be equal with God" !!! Wich means Jesus neva think about equating with God ....... GBAM!

Trinitarians Are Cowards who search d scripture to defend a bliv founded by the church and not the Bible ! Dats why am asking u to explain 1cor 15:24-28 verse by verse for this thread !!!

Phil2:5-9 . Christ Jesus "Who, being in the form of God,thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Liars! Tell me where the bold is written? i have also colored something here for you, which you've omitted in order to deceive. Smh. Jesus thought it as robbery my foot, go and change it in your new edition.

dolphinheart:
Before I reply, please I would like 2 know ur own concept of trinity, what u mean by jesus is God and holy spirit is God.

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God. In this Trinity of Persons, the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent.

"go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:18).

CANTICLES:
Knockout to the prophets of Baal ...... Jehovah the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob is the Only True God and our lord Jesus Christ His Is Servant

" (JEHOVAH)The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his servant, Jesus" ACT 3:13

I see you lack what else to say. See Phil2:5-9 ...Christ Jesus "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant...., Shebi you see how the servant came about? Out of humility says St. Paul.


Jesus my Lord and my God.

Freksy:
With your failure to present a translation that dates back to the 3rd century with the same rendering found at 1John 5:7 in KJV, I am hereby vindicated as the truth bearer.

THERE IS ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD, THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST. JESUS WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE ALMIGHTY.

Hahahahaha, Jn 1:1 I In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. God . God affirmed to the fact that his only begotten son is God, when He said to His son "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:..."

Jesus the only begotten son of God is God.

Freksy:
That simply shows you the folly of erroneous translation. Can you now see trinity is a thing to be laughed at? In that same post I showed you a couple of translations that rendered Heb 1:7 and Pam 45:6 the way they should, behold, you've turned your blind eyes to them as usual.

Keep recycling. It's obvious you don't have anything meaningful to say. Go to my previous posts and address accordingly, for this trash has been thoroughly debunked.

In what form is God? In what form are angels? I know you won't answer any of these for fear your ignorance will be exposed.

You can't even explain a single scripture correctly. You are my father means, I am equal to you. Thank you sir, for this revealed truth.

What is funny and hilarious is your claim that Ps 45 written by David, was talking of solomon, a king that ended up allowing Idolatory into Israel with numerous wives...Lol, the length you people can go, smh.

The form(nature) of God is God. The form(nature) of Angels is spirit. Creation all exhibit one or more characteristics of God.


Shebi you lied that God doesn't use "I am" for himself, in order to avoid the obvious in Jn 8:58, Lets go to Exodus na and see

EXODUS 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Somebody's ignorance is being exposed indeed Lol.

dolphinheart:
Sir, I did not discard any quote, rather it is u that has refused to directly answer bible based questions on ur trinity. You have not answered the questions asked.
I did not throw away titus 2:13, I told u that said that jesus is a god , that he is even to be called mighty god . Therfore it is not me that manufactured god for Jesus(wateva u mean by the statement) but the bible did.
Though the issue of jesus being a god is not what I'm discussing with you, u brought that up.
I did not throw away John 1:1-3 and heb 1:8.
Those verses have been explained and discussed with you by others who are also seeking the truth. They have explained it to you, me and others reading in on this thread in ways that I believe is even better than I can explain it. Or do you want me to re quote them on my post for u to understand them?
The word/ phrase "I am " has also been explained to you, do u want me to re quote that one too.
You are the one refusing to answer the following questions

1.) The bible did not reveal that jesus is same as the father, if I'm wrong ,give us where the bible stated that jesus is jehovah/yaweh or father.
2. The bible reveals to us that we must worship the one and only true God, it reveals his name as jehovah/yaweh .
Give us where the bible states that jesus is an only true God.
3. Give us where jesus is called almighty God.
4 . When God was giving judgement to Satan and he mention that the womans seed will crush the serpent, are u saying that this seed was jehovah/yaweh /father.
5 when god was telling moses that he will send another prophet like moses to the people of isreal, that he will come from among the isrealites. This prophet eventually became jesus, are u saying that God planned to send himself?

bros, believe me, you are the one putting "god" in those places. The scripture does not call any "god" mighty. Only God is Mighty used for all other "gods" are created. Na you de use "gods" where scripture obviously put God.

Except you chose to believe lies then you can call the mess they've written all over here as explanation of Heb1:8, someone said ps45:6 was talking about solomon, shebi na them be the explanation, go and read that Ps45:1-17 yourself in a bible, then heb1:1-8, then tell me it was talking about solomon.

Who explained "I am"? What i saw is a lame lie to avoid open fact. Go to the gospel of John chapter 8 yourself and notice at what point the Jews picked up stone.

To your questions Oga.


1.) The bible did not reveal that jesus is same as the father, if I'm wrong ,give us where the bible stated that jesus is jehovah/yaweh or father. Scripture never said that Jesus is the father, Scripture says that Jesus is the son of the father in eternity, scripture also says that Jesus is God, just as the father is God, just as the Holy Spirit is God. I have told you before, Yawheh does not mean father.


2. The bible reveals to us that we must worship the one and only true God, it reveals his name as jehovah/yaweh .
Give us where the bible states that jesus is an only true God. It is the Only true God that can forgive sins, Jesus forgives sins by his own authority (see Is. 43:25; Mark 2:5-9). Jesus calls himself "the Lord of the Sabbath" in Mark 2:28. The Sabbath is referred to as the "Sabbath of Yahweh" in the Old Testament (cf. Ex. 20:10)


3. Give us where jesus is called almighty God. Whatever word that was used to represent this almighty of yours was used for Jesus in Heb 1:8 and as well in "And the Lord God (Gk. ho kurios ho theos, the Lord the God) of the spirits of the prophets sent his angel to show his servants the things which must be done shortly" (Rev. 22:6). Who is the Lord God who sent "his angel" in this verse? Some attempt to say this text is referring to the Father rather than Jesus. However, Revelation 22:16, just 10 verses later, reveals to us who "the Lord God" is who has "sent his angel:" " I Jesus have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches." Jesus is clearly "the Lord God of the spirits of the prophets!"


4 . When God was giving judgement to Satan and he mention that the womans seed will crush the serpent, are u saying that this seed was jehovah/yaweh /father. Jn1:1-14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us", Please note that each time you put "a god" there, you say that there is a god without beginning, a "god" that was there already in the beginning, yet we know that the only being without beginning is the one true God.

Also ponder this while you're at it, it's scripture, no be talk am.
Is 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".



5 when god was telling moses that he will send another prophet like moses to the people of isreal, that he will come from among the isrealites. This prophet eventually became jesus, are u saying that God planned to send himself? Again I shall refer you to Jn1:1-14 and Jn3:16, God sent his only begotten son, who is God, to live among men. Stop bothering yourself how that is possible, to be son and God at same time, to be son and yet without beginning, for you do not know the process of the "begotten" between father and son.

Freksy:
Is Prexeam a Bible translation from which Tertullian quoted? Was Tertullian a bible translator? Your misconceptions are: 1. You think I am talking about the origin of trinity. 2. You think Prexeam is a Bible translation from which Tertullian quoted. You may even think Tertullian was a bible's translator.

Teachings about trinity existed long before over-zealous Trinitarian translators twisted the scripture to accommodate it. It first happened in the 4th the century. You can only refute this by presenting bible translation dated back to 3rd century that agrees with KJV rendering of 1John 5:7.

You are the one telling me stories and fail to address a point in my post.



You have missed the point! That men wrote religious books on trinity, and preached same in their synagogues, is no proof that trinity had any place in the scripture then. I have told you when the scripture was first stretched to accommodate it. Debunk that with a chapter and verse(s) from translation dated back to the 3rd century. Stop advancing this inherited heresy!



But you in 2014 talk of Tertullian of (160-225)



Lol…but I did that with fitting scriptures.



Hebrews 1:8 quotes from Psalm 45:6, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God. Rather, Psalm 45:6, in RS, reads “Your divine throne.” (NE says, “Your throne is like God’s throne.” JP [verse 7]: “Thy throne given of God.”) Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit “upon God’s throne.” 1 Chron. 29:23.

‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre’. - Ps 45:6 KJV Was solomon the almighty God?

‘But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.– Heb. KJV

Nevertheless, there is good evidence that the proper translation of Heb. 1:8 (as well as Ps. 45:6) should be “your throne is God forever” or “God is your throne forever.”
‘but as to the Son “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of integrity is the scepter of his reign’ Heb 1:8 Byington

No one should deny that the title theos (NT Greek word meaning “God,” “god,” “mighty one,” “divine,” etc.) can be applied to Jesus, just as it was applied in the scriptures to angels, judges of Israel, Moses, and (according to some trinitarian authorities) even the kings of Israel.


But theos is never applied to Jesus with the most high sense that is given only to the Almighty, Most High, only true God.

Oga (adv. Praxeam 25) is not a bible translation, it is a book containing the writings of the great Church father tertullian who was live with disciples of John, in that book he denounced heresies like the one are propagating now, in that book he quoted scripture and it was what we have now as 1 Jn 5:7. there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one. It was not yet 4th century according to you, how come he was quoting it?

The church in the early days didn't tolerate contrary teachings, they hold councils and declare anathema on those who hold contrary belief Gal 1:8. So the issue of people having various teachings don't count, false teachings were trashed in the council like in Jerusalem (Acts15), Nicea (325AD), ephesus (430AD), etc. This one you are propagating was trashed in 325 AD, but no you won't agree in 2014, because Russel and his watch tower society gathered in a room in 1870 to formulate things.

Through out History, even till now, 1Jn 5:7 has read in the scriptures thus : there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one, the martyrs on whose blood was sown the seed of Christianity read it thus, great men and women of God, and God was with them in signs and wonders as He promised, lived Holy lives while reading it thus, doesn't it bother you that at the end times you start to propagate something different?

Anyway Jesus is God. even in revelation he made it clear, all over scripture evidence abound.

Freksy:
'Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.' Ps 45:6 KJV
'But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.' Heb 1:8 KJV

God also called Solomon God in Pam 45:6. Therefore, both Jesus and king Solomon are almighty God's... you can see what erroneous translations can cause?
See most likely correct renderings:
‘but as to the Son “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of integrity is the scepter of his reign’ Heb 1:8 Byington Paul quoted Ps 45:6

God is your throne forever and evermore; the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of equity. Ps 45:6 Byington

The NEB says: “Your throne is like God’s throne.”
The NJB gives us: “your throne is from God.”
The REB has: “God has enthroned you for all eternity.”
The Holy Scriptures (JPS version) says: “Thy throne given of God.”
The Bible in Living English (Byington) says: “God is your throne.”
New International Reader’s Version (NIRV): “Your throne is the very throne of God.”
The Good News Bible (GNB), a very trinitarian paraphrase Bible, renders it: “The kingdom
that God has given you will last forever and ever.”
ETC...






Freksy exclaimed before Syncan “Jeeesus”! Or, “oooh my God”! Therefore, Syncan is Jesus or God.
Thomas did not refer to Jesus as the almighty God. What he did is common today. We exclaim many times with similar expression before others. QUESTION: Why did KJV omitt exclamation mark (!), but some retained it?



Who is that one that made the word flesh? He made himself flesh? If only you can stop, think and reason for seconds, then, in your mind’s eyes you’ll see a being superior to Jesus. Even you can be called a god, as there are many Gods. We have only one almighty God, the father and creator of Jesus. Isaiah prophetically called him 'mighty God'... and so? Angels, kings - humans are gods. You are a god. But who is the almighty God?



God is in what form? Does his form of existence differ from those of other heavenly beings? NO!
Paul was talking about equality of form, not of age, wisdom, power…

Take it or leave it, you and a day old baby are equal in form (are same flesh), but you are superior in age, wisdom, power…

Spirit form is superior to flesh, hence, it required a tremendous amount of humility for Jesus to switch form – from spirit (to flesh to enable him leave as a human on earth), and thus became lower in form than other spirit beings with which he once had equality of form (spirit). He humbly did this without complain.

Paul wanted those Christians to learn from Jesus’ example of humility. Go back to the text and benefit from the lesson therein.



Wrong! The Jews took up stones because Jesus claimed to pre-exist Abraham, not because he claimed to be God. He told them that before Abraham came into existence he has been. Meaning, he existed before Abraham…the man the Jews regarded as ‘next to God’. ‘I am’ is neither God’s name nor title. Compare translations and grow in knowledge. Can you mention the number of time ‘I am’ appears in the scripture? I refer to myself with same expression daily. By such usage, am I the almighty God?

Hahahahaha, lies lies lies everywhere.

Now You say that Psalm 45:6 written by David, is talking about solomon, Lol, try again. Hahaha, "God called solomon God", Lol, where did you get solomon from? I go die oooo. So in vs 16, the children of which of solomon's wife are prince in all the earth, Lol. It's well my brother.


As if God knew they will make this attempt, He cleared all doubt to what was happening, when He revealed in

Heb 1:1 :God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets....But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Here we get the true picture of the prophetic revelations of Ps45. It was not about any earthly king, certainly not solomon, it was about God, the father and his son Jesus. And God, the father, called his son Jesus, God.


Hahaha, now the equality of Jesus with God is because Jesus is Spirit. Therefore angels are equal to God, even man, when he sheds this flesh is equal to God...chai I de greet o. Lies everywhere, angels are also spirits, yet only man was made in the image and likeness of God.

I go die for laugh here, now the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because he said he was older than Abraham, which offence is that? Did Abraham not have a father, were noah, enoch and co not before him? Take a visit to John5:18, and see that the Jews were without a doubt about what Jesus was claiming. "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. That's abomination, not claiming to be older than Abraham. After all when he claimed that Abraham saw his days and rejoiced (Jn8:56), they were still arguing with him..."You are not yet fifty, they said...." But immediately he went ahead to use the word "I am", they took up stones, Jn8:58. Abeg go read your bible, stop deceiving people.


Jesus is God.

dolphinheart:
Sir, why do you say I should stop copy and paste, do u expect me to retype the information I want to pass to you when such information has already been typed and easily accessible.? I dnt think ull expect me to do that. What u read in my post is what I mean, what I understand about the bible and what I believe in .
Maybe, not to you , but to me and the majority of others who are seeking the thruth, I do make sense.
Please respond to what I posted and not to how I post it. WHO DOES THE BIBLE CALL THE ONLY TRUE GOD?

On titus 2:13 and ur submition that jesus is God .
Yes, jesus is a god,the bible said he will be called a "mighty god".
But jesus is not the father and jesus himself said that the father is greater than he is and he does the fathers will and also that his authority comes from the father.
This is because jesus is subordinate to the father for only the father is ever called the "ALMIGHTY GOD".
Jesus is as savior through the father cus it was the father that sent him to save us.
Jude 25

New International Version
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through
Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages,
now and forevermore! Amen.

King James Bible
To the only wise God our Saviour, be
glory and majesty, dominion and power,
both now and ever. Amen.
majesty, power,
and authority, before all time, and now,
and for all eternity. Amen.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Before his glory in joy ( He alone is God
our Savior by Yeshua The Messiah our
Lord ); to him is the praise, dominion,
honor and majesty, even now and unto all
ages. Amen.
.
American King James Version
To the only wise God our Savior, be glory
and majesty, dominion and power, both
now and ever. Amen.

Nowhere in the scripture is jesus called "almighty god " or "one truegod" which is d god we are required to worship.
The only name that is mentioned which such title is jehovah/yaweh /father, and jesus specificaly stated that he is none of those three.

Please be careful the way you discard evidence, all I have done is show you how God revealed in scriptures that Jesus is God. Look at your own Post, even if you have thrown away Titus 2:13, Jn1:1-3, Heb1:8, it is you that is manufacturing "god" for Jesus, not the scriptures. Let no one deceive you, In Yawheh is the father and the word, Yawheh is the I am formula. This "I am" formula is a reference back to the Divine Name revealed to Moses in Ex. 3:14. Not only does Jesus refer to himself as "I am" four times in John’s Gospel ( John 8:24; 58; 13:19 and 18:5-6), but when he does so in John 8:58, the Jews to whom he was speaking understood his meaning because they immediately wanted to stone him for blasphemy!

Jesus is God.

CANTICLES:
u dont even answer my question !!! I understand ur situation

But ar u sayin Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob is d same person called Jesus ??

The problem with you is that you do not listen, or you are too stuffed by adulterated teaching, or you don't have the capacity to understand.

Just take a look at John 1:1-3

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same(word) was in the beginning with God. All things were made by (the word)him; and without him (word) was not any thing made that was made.


Jn1:3 All things were made by (the word)him; and without him (word) was not any thing made that was made.

Genesis 1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Ask yourself : Is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the one without whom nothing was made?


1Jn5:7 There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one

Kei144:

Great exposition!

Lol. As if you read it.

CANTICLES:
C'mon this is not a kindergaten class , " that people may know YOU( 2nd person singular) the only true God" !! To differenite he adds " AND the one whom YOU " sent , Jesus Christ! ...... Its clear that the only true God sent Jesus christ! So who is that true God ??

Did you even read the texts completely? If Jesus ended it there, would there have been a need to differentiate? Hahaha, an idiom goes thus "If there were no trace of equality,the need to measure wouldn't arise". Jesus is a good teacher.


Heb1:1-8

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,..... But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom


Question: Is Jesus really God?

Answer: Yes.

chysam:
The Onus is on the Catholics to explain this. So please help us differentiate,we are listening.

Shebi you've come here, you ran away from the lies you laid on this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1985739/jesus-not-coming-back-looks/1#28381641, now you are here again with your hatred for Catholics which blinds you from truth. Smh. nnatom, pay no heed to him.

CANTICLES:
Thanks for ur time .... Since some say "god" and others " God" !!! Keep in mind that all have d hebrew word " Elohim" ! So its left for the translators to use d context in determining if its "god" or " God" !!!

But the question remains : Whom Did The Bible Or Jesus Refer To As The "ONLY TRUE GOD" ?? Bcoz our everlastin life depends on the knowledge of this person! So whom did the bible or Whom Did Jesus refer to as " THE ONLY TRUE GOD" ??

Hahahaha, now KJV may be right after all abi? No sir, it is not left for translators to determine, the import is not lost, even those that put "God" made sure they have the qualifier "Like" or in some cases "as" in front of it, you should not be confused about this if not mischief.


Now on the matter of Only true God bla bla bla, wey I no go rest, listen let me tell you what someone wrote as early as (235 AD)

Novatian (you fit google am)

"If Christ was only man, why did he lay down for us such a rule of believing as that in which he said, ‘And this is life eternal, that they should know you, the only and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent?’ [John 17:3]. Had he not wished that he also should be understood to be God, why did he add, ‘And Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent,’ except because he wished to be received as God also? Because if he had not wished to be understood to be God, he would have added, ‘And the man Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent;’ but, in fact, he neither added this, nor did Christ deliver himself to us as man only, but associated himself with God, as he wished to be understood by this conjunction to be God also, as he is. We must therefore believe, according to the rule prescribed, on the Lord, the one true God, and consequently on him whom he has sent, Jesus Christ, who by no means, as we have said, would have linked himself to the Father had he not wished to be understood to be God also. For he would have separated himself from him had he not wished to be understood to be God" (Treatise on the Trinity 16 [A.D. 235]).

Na small small I de come out. Jesus Is God.

Rich4god:
Really feels bad seeing your loved ones crying.... But you cant do anything to help them or wipe away their tears....

I can sense what's happening around you, the lord is your strength. May God grant us the serenity to accept what we cannot change.

babestell:
Best part of mass is "Go in peace to love and serve the Lord" Then the mad dash for the car park because these Mater parishioners are not gentle at all!!!

I Know. If you had said something else, I would have sworn it wasn't you. Yet you're there every morning. Smh.

CANTICLES:
forget ur kjv .... The same only translation dat contains a spurious text in 1joh 5:7 ! !!! I cant even stop laughin when i read texts like psalm 110:1 wich says : The LORD said to my Lord !!! The lord said to my lord ..... I dont even know why they replace d divine name with " LORD" only to come out with absurd text as dis !!!

B4 i forget ... Once again , i ask , so far there are many God's and gods in heaven and earth! WHOM DID THE BIBLE OR WHOM DID JESUS QUALIFIES AS "THE ONLY TRUE GOD" ??

Ok, I should forget KJV, shebi una de hear am. Ok Let me bring other ones for this time:

New International Version
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.

New Living Translation
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh, and your brother, Aaron, will be your prophet.

English Standard Version
And the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

New American Standard Bible
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The LORD answered Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother will be your prophet.

dolphinheart:
Since the op has refused to comment on ur view on trinity , ill take it that he has accepted ur view.
Here is what the noble say about the true God that we are to worship.

Duet 6:4
New International Version
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

New Living Translation
"Listen, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.

English Standard Version
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

New American Standard Bible
"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

King James Bible
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD


Holman Christian Standard Bible
Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One.

International Standard Version "Listen, Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.

NET Bible
Listen, Israel: The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

Jubilee Bible 2000
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.

American Standard Version
Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah:

Darby Bible Translation
Hear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

English Revised Version
Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD:

World English Bible
Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one:

Young's Literal Translation
Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

Jehovah /yahweh is our God and he is the God we worship. here the bible helps us to understand that he is one God and one God ALONE.
This statement was made in the bible because as at that time trinity gods have been rampant among pagan religions and doctrines around the isrealites and jehovah wanted them to know that he is not a trinity and only him alone is their God .

Jesus reminded us about these when he came to earth in John 17 verses 1-3 which states thus:
Jesus spoke these things, and raising
his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the
hour has come. Glorify your son so that your
son may glorify you,
2. just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him.
3 This means everlasting life, their coming to
know you, the only true God, and the one
whom you sent, Jesus Christ.


Other bible translations render verse 3 thus :

New International Version
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

New Living Translation
And this is the way to have eternal life--to
know you, the only true God, and Jesus
Christ, the one you sent to earth.

English Standard Version
And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

New American Standard Bible
"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

King James Bible
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Here jesus is stating that the father is the only true God and not a trinity or 3 in 1 or 1 in 3. But rather he is simply one jehovah(father), and that the father sent him . The father did not send himself , but he sent jesus (for god so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son ).
This is what the father(jehovah) said to Moses to show u that it is not him or part of him that is coming as jesus :deut 18:18
King James Bible
I will raise them up a Prophet from among
their brethren, like unto thee, and will put
my words in his mouth; and he shall
speak unto them all that I shall command
him.

This fact is further made by apostle paul when he stated in 1 corinth 8 verse 5,6 which states thus:
1 Cor. 8:5, 6, RS: “Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth —as indeed there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’—yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”

Paul statements presents the Father as the “one God” of Christians and as being in a class distinct from Jesus Christ.

Even peter helps us to understand more about who the real god is as distinct from Jesus Christ.)
1 Pet. 1:3:

New American Standard Bible
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

King James Bible
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Repeatedly, even following Jesus’ ascension to heaven, the Scriptures refer to the Father as “the God” of Jesus Christ. At John 20:17, following Jesus’ resurrection, he himself spoke of the Father as “my God.” Later, when in heaven, as recorded at Revelation 3:12, he again used the same expression. BUT NEVER IN THE BIBLE IS THE FATHER REPORTED TO REFER TO THE SON AS "MY GOD” nor does either the Father or the Son refer to the holy spirit as “my God.”

Stop copy and paste, you can read it, make sense of it and write what you mean, I doubt if you made sense of what you posted. Anyway see below: Make I join una for copying and pasting many bibles for this one.

TITUS 2:13

New International Version
while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

New Living Translation
while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed.

English Standard Version
waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

New American Standard Bible
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

King James Bible
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God.

CANTICLES:
haba!

Exodus 7:1 American Standard Version
" And Jehovah said unto Moses 'see I have made thee as God"

Exodus 7:1 New American Standard Bible
" Then the LORD said to Moses ' See , I have make you as God"

Exodus 7:1 International Standard Version
" The LORD told Moses " Listen, have positioned you as God"

Exodus 7:1 Darby Bible Translation
" And Jehovah said to Moses, See I have made thee God"

The Question Again: Whom Did The Bible Or Whom Did Jesus Refer To As The " ONLY TRUE GOD" ?

Chai...

Ex7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. KJV

These your modern alterations in the name of translating Scripture will compound your problems, even from your own posts, you see the use of "as" and some use "like". Just take a look at that one you wrote last, the one you called "Darby bible" that used jehova, did you see how cunningly the "as" or "like" had been made to disappear? hahahahaha, I no blame una, first you tell a lie, then you seek to cover it, hahahaha.

Here God use the verb "to make"...

Kei144:
All the people you mentioned in your post were gentiles.

Ro. 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,
Ro. 11:18 do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

It is never given to gentiles to propound doctrines, in the name of receiving new revelation. The "nourishing sap" (revelation of God's word) can only come from the root (Jews). When gentiles began to form new doctrines, they began to pollute Christianity. The pollution has continued till today. Arab gentiles even went as far as forming a new religion, which has been a disaster to the world.

https://www.nairaland.com/1857130/romans-threw-true-christianity-lions

Hahahahaha, Which one is new revelations? We are talking 1John 5:7 here, this guy is funny walahi.

CANTICLES:
Moses the meekest man on earth is really God. God said so ( Exodus 7:1)

The vital point is: Whom did the Bible refer to as " THE ONLY TRUE GOD" ??

Stop talking nonsense. God knows when to use god and God in sentences.

zyzxx:
u are making sense sir,
1. I explained trinity wit what we can see because some people find it hard to understand is spiritually.
2. I don't get what u are trying to say very well, or do u mean I should explain trinity using myself as an example? If so let me do dat.
human beign are consist of three identities
Body, spirit, and soul.
the soul reside in both d body and spirit ( same soul in our body, is d same soul in our spirit wen we dream.
Spiritually, d herberlist av the power to hurt d 3's by just invoke one, maybe d spirit. And it will affect d 3 because they are inseparable.
I think I will stop here sir.

It's ok, the first and foremost is let them "believe in what is revealed", then understanding will come, for what has been revealed may sound to some as foolishenss 1cor.1:22-23.

No I didn't require you to illustrate using yourself, just wanted you to replace the teller with yourself, form an idea about who you are. Let's say you are a great artist told to paint yourself, first you have to form an idea about how you look, this is what you put down on canvass, the more closer your opinion of you is to the real you, the more perfect the picture of you is. Now that perfect picture of you, which you've painted, was first of all formed in your mind. What if in that your mind, you start adding all the qualities and characters that make up who you are, you'll form a perfect you in your mind,and in your mind you exclaim (word) "zyzxx".

That idea of you(zyzxx) which you've called (word) zyzxx, is with you (zyzxx) from the time you thought about it(probably from when you started reasoning). I can safely say then that "at his age of reasoning was his Idea of himself,that Idea of himself was with him. If it is an Idea of yourself, then you must call (word) it in your mind zyzxx. Then I can as well say of you, "At the age of reasoning, was the word(spoken in his mind), the word was with him (from his age of reasoning), ...now what is the word..., the word was zyzxx

Imagine if you are like God whose own Idea of himself had no beginning. In the beginning was the word, the word was with God,...now what was the word God called the idea of himself...the word was God. Jn1:1, Heb 1:8.

Just like one characteristic of your word is sound, even when you don't speak out, words in you can make huge noise within you, a characteristics of God's word is Life, so even when it is not spoken, it is alive within God. When It comes out, it gives life...eg creation genesis. So unlike your own Idea, God's own Idea(in this case a realization, because it is exact) of himself was alive...from the very beginning.


When Ideas are made visible, they are called the brain-child of the source person, not so? Because you have a body with parts, so the intellect...housed in the brain... is made specific, as the part of you that gave birth to the Idea. What if you don't have a body? What if you are only intellect? Aha you see. Will it still be brain-child ? No, it will be just child, sometimes you hear people saying, "this idea of mine was a child of circumstance". It means "I gave birth to this idea due to circumstances surrounding me at the time". So using this and using the language of scripture (masculine), Same realization of Himself, which He had called himself (God), can in terms of distinguishing him from the source, be called "Son of (the Source)God". This is seen in so many places in scripture.


If that You can put that Idea of your self into a robot (the word took flesh), it will be another you, but this time in another form...the robotic form...If your idea of you is perfect, then it is exactly who you are, then nothing that you in the robot does, will be different from what you (source) wills to be done. (I and the father are one....if you see me you have seen the father)

Hahahaha bros, Na just chat I de chat wih you sha. Trinity no be moi moi, but God has revealed, it is true.

Kamsified:
Psalm 34: 10 The young lions do lack and suffer hunger, but those that seek the LORD shall not lack any good thing.

May the Lord in his infinite mercy give us the grace to seek him first in all we do today and always that we may be partakers of this wonderful promise

Note that what God sees as good for us might be different from what we wish for.
May he give us the grace to accept his will in every situation through Christ our Lord. Amen
Holy mother of God, pray for us

Good morning family and have a sin free day

Amen Amen. Good morning Sis.

Rich4god:
Morning friends... Will really make do of your prayers... Today os gonna be smhw 4 me...

It matters not what we face, after the rain comes the sun, and for one who is with our God, thou shalt not be shaken.

May the Lord see you through the difficulties before you.

MariaGoretti:
Yes, I said so cus I have never made the sign of the cross that much in a day....in my entire life!

ighotago fu?

eehye!

zyzxx:
If u go to bank and pay money, u will be give teller, the teller's are 3, which works as one, anytin u write on d first one will show in d duplicate
(mind u, duplicate is not photocopy, it means another original copy). the 3 teller's are one which did different works and can't be separate
Dat how trinity is, 3 in 1. U can't separate dem even we human are three in 1.

Hmm...a good try, just that this example is limited to what the eye can see, and each time it's done this way, there's always objections and misconceptions, but a good try anyway.

Just a friendly chat from me to you...Imagine before you wrote this piece here(about teller), you already formed an Idea/illustration, that Idea/illustration now exists...(though in your mind, but it now exists), now you can give that illustration words, note that words first of all form inside you, and even after you've expressed it externally, it still remains with you, you don't lose it because you've expressed it. I am just trying to show how things can exist without being picked up by eyes or ears, yet they exist. What if instead of the teller, you form an idea, about yourself, who you are, your identity, and give it words, that idea of you now exists....if I no de make sense, just forget am jare.

Freksy:
In the fourth century C.E., in a Latin treatise, some Bible translators were so zealous to find support for their belief in the Trinity in the Scriptures that they literally added the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy spirit; and these three are one” as if these were a quotation from 1 John 5:7. Later that passage was put right into the text of a Latin Bible manuscript. Most Bible commentaries that mention this addition tell us that it is a spurious comment added to the biblical text.

Many more recent Bible versions recognize the spurious added text and omit it. Some of these are: The New International Version, American Standard Version and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New English Bible and Revised English Bible, New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible and New Jerusalem Bible, Good News Bible, New Living Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Bible in Basic English and the Twentieth Century New Testament.



The large reservoir of original-language manuscripts of the Bible provides a means for checking the validity of any translation. Following this, the fraud of the interpolations at 1 John 5:7 to support the Trinity were fully exposed.

The Big Book of Bible Difficulties tells us: "This verse has virtually no support among the early Greek manuscripts . . . Its appearance in late Greek manuscripts is based on the fact that Erasmus was placed under ecclesiastical pressure to include it in his Greek NT of 1522, having omitted it in his two earlier editions of 1516 and 1519 because he could not find any Greek manuscripts which contained it" (Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe, 2008, pp. 540-541).



‘And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.’ 1John5:7-8 ASV

1.Water was a witness bearer because when Jesus was baptized in water, God himself expressed His approval of him as His Son. (Matt. 3:17)
2. Jesus’ blood, or life, given as “a corresponding ransom for all,” also showed that Jesus is God’s Son. (1 Tim. 2:5, 6)
3. And the holy spirit testified that Jesus is the Son of God when it descended upon him at his baptism, enabling him to go “through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil.”—John 1:29-34; Acts 10:38.


Jesus is THE SON of the almighty God, but not the almighty God. Stop telling lies against both the almighty God and his son with your 3 gods in 1 mantra.

Hahahaha, see story. You said it was changed in the 4th century CE abi? Yet Tertullian (160-225) quoted it in (adv. Praxeam 25), abeg check that period, did it look like 4th century? What about St. Cyprain of Africa(?-258), he was already using it to preach as noted in (Jubaianum, Ep, 73). Keep peddling unfounded stories. Do you even know where the first set of books were canonized? In Africa!

So oga Fresky, African Fathers and writers from the earliest date in favor of the genuineness of verse 7 is of the utmost importance, as it proves that these words were found in the early African Latin Version of the Vulgate, in existence before the days of Tertullian, who quotes from it. Now, this early African Latin Version represents a Greek manuscript, from which the version was made, of an earlier date than any Greek manuscript of the Scripture now extant. Those who were present and decided what is scripture and what is not in the fourth century, all were quoting it as part of scripture without objection, Augustine, Jerome, Bonaventure, Cyril etc.

Now you come in the later part of the teen century to dispute them from recopied works. It's like copying from the person who copied from the person that copied from who copied from the one that copied from the teacher, and you use it as a yardstick...smh. Imagine thomas Howe (2008), talking of erasmus under pressure in 1522, mtchew.


Just imagine your pick and join analogy of the spirit,water and blood. Look at the struggle to make a sense of how they relate, appearing at different times, when everything was laid bare on the cross, no wonder St. Peter said in 2Pet3:15 "....in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction". No wonder indeed.

1John 5:7 : there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one.

Jesus the son of God is really God. God said so. Heb 1:8

MariaGoretti:
No that.... I made the sign of the cross more than ten times yday whereas usually its just twice or four times daily.

Nne don't mind me, I get your drift. Just that when the Igbo interpreter told the crowd "Alleluia unu pelu mpe", not everyone understood the preacher needed a resounding alleluia. Some got confused if he was complaining that some people said Alle, or Allelu... a short alleluia.

SalC:
She said "I made more sign of the cross today.

She also said..."something that I have never done my entire life".

SalC:
Hmm now you are sharing my email addy

I discerned the spirit and it was ok, was I wrong?