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This Messi guy is just messing with us.

13 minutes and no goals yet. This is good news

More of that kind of freekick from Argentina pls

@naija4life,

dey don start chai i havent bin this excited since atlanta 96

Neither have my stomach being this upset

@Chy92,

You obviously closed your eyes when you posted this topic. How else can one explain the way this topic missed the Romance Section and ended up in the Politics Section.

@RichyBlack,

Since far back immemorial.

Any interest?

I can't remeber ever seeing walk the e-superempirical highway here on nairaland. anyways, good to see you are interested in the total man and not just a political animal

@RichyBlack,

Since when did you begin to dabble into the extraterrestial?

SeanT21,

Me and my 2nd cousin got into this yesterday. She is not a religious person. She try to convince me that the reason Jesus was crucified was because he had no choice. She said quote"That God Forced Jesus to go through it because it was part of his plans"?
What do my fellow Christians brothers and sisters think?
Was Jesus[b] force[/b] to be crucified or did he have a choice?

There are some underlying principles by which God works that we will need to understand before we can fully appreciate a situation such as this one.  One thing about God is that He is the complete "gentleman". It is when we do not understand His ways that many misinterprete His actions, case in point - Olabowale's response here.

Answering your question directly, God did not force Jesus to die on the Cross, just as He will never force you to do a thing. Here's a scripture that should give you a better understanding of the Ways of God: For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure - Phillipians 2:13

That scripture is very clear as to how God gets His will accomplished - He persuades us to be willing, before He inspires the doings. Anything that is contrary to this is not of God and it isn't blessed. God has never and will never violate anyone's will. He made us free moral agencies and He respects his own laws.

@Tornadoz,

If his move was foolish and tactless as you said, why support him? I don't watch Fox news hence I have an original thought of my own. I won't be a blatant cheerleader for wrong moves just because Foxnews says so.

I support his desire to maintain the territorail integrity of his country even though he went about it in an ineffective way. What Foxnews has got to do with this is beyond me. But maybe you need to watch some of Foxnews anyway so your thinking can be prodded beyond your current world-view.

Would you as president do nothing if (90% Russian) your people were attacked with artillery? Would America do the same if e.g a region in Mexico was attacked by the Mexican army with 90% white Americans?

This is Georgia fighting against rebel forces within its teritory. Russia should only have gone in to evacuate its citizens and not launch an offensive against a country who was only trying to protect itself from internal armed resistance. There were american citizens in Georgia when Russia attacked and all the US did was evacuate her citizens.

@folahan,

Tell me this is a lie, please let me know.

A whole president of a country like Nigeria got her mom robbed?

This is not news jo! Didn't someone relieve President Bush of his wristwatch during one of his trips abroad?

@RichyBlack,

Bush and his henchmen have no clue what diplomacy means. I agree that Poland will suffer some consequence for allowing herself to be played like a pawn.

The installations in Poland are purely defensive weapons. Why should a country be punished for defending herself? I thought people will address issues objectively, but this is just unbelievable.

so what would you say if they seek after nuclear weapons like Iran?

@RichyBlack and Tornadoz,

I really don't understand your point here. Why are you crucifying a man who took concrete steps to maintain the territorial integrity of his nation. Granted, the move was foolish and tactless, but the truth is that he would have achieved his aim if Russia did not come in and bully them. And please spare me the story that Russia was just protecting her citizens.

Here is a man who took his country from a lowly level to a point where they are ranked ahead of even Germany and all you can do is assail him for his non-diplomatic skills. He did in few years what our leaders in naija could not do in 50 and we are here talking down at him from the high horse of pride. Una do o.

@Gamine,

stop making me say things over and over again!

Repetition is the key to learning Babe.

@Gamine,

A true Christian, if that is an ideal, fine

You are either a Christian or you are not.

i am even working towards that.

Don't mean to pick on your words but Christianity is not a "work" but a "walk". I think making this distinction will help someone.

The man is not a Christian, of course she should divorce him!
if the man was a Christian, such a farce, She should divorce him!

so you do not hold to the strict suposedly biblical intepretation that divorce must ONLY be allowed due to infidelity!

@Gamine,

Two, if they were both unbelievers and she left, then he became born again"

After she left, he may have become bornagain, what can't u understand dia

Okay, I think I understand what you are trying to say now. Sorry for the misconception.

Paul was a staunch jew before his conversion, don't you think he would have married
check out the jewish customs.

These are all projections that are not supported by scripture. I can't confime or deny the veracity of such a claim as it is not expressly written. If anything, Paul mentioned that he had the "right" to marry, so it was absolutely a matter of personal choice for not getting married. It was not due to any biblical restriction.

A true Christian will not beat his wife!!, don't you understand what it means to be Christ-like

Who said the man was a Christian, and even if he was, what makes you think Christians don't do the same? You are being idealistic here while I am being practical. The question is should a woman remain in an abusive relationship that could have her killed?

@Gamine,

please don't act the fool.

Did i mention that his wife leaving him made him born again

You sure implied it by saying this: "Two, if they were both unbelievers and she left, then he became born again" Do you want to explain what you mean then.
 

examine Pauls life.

What about Paul's life? I don't know what you want me to examine here. if anything, paul admonished Believers to be single, but really he's admonition at that time was basically because of the persecution of the Church.

Why are we going over the same things, of because the man can forgive her

because it is important. That the Bible said that a man can divorce his wife on the basis of fornication does not mean that God recommends it. Forgiveness is a virtue that God encourages in every situation.

but if she dosnt want to come back?

That is what happened with Chris Okotie's wife. Her mom was brutally killed by Armed Robbers in Naija. Her favorite cousin was raped by Armed Robbers in Naija. Her husband was involved in a gun battle to wade off Armed Robbers from coming into their home in Naija. All these made her sick of the country and she said she doesn't want to live here at all. Infact, she asked that her body must not even be flown here when she dies. So she feels she can't continue to be his wife if she wants out of the country and the husband believes his ministry is here. That was a major factor for her leaving.

God hates sin, did i mention otherwise?

I never implied you did.

and the bottomline is always this, As true Christians there is no basis for a Marriage dissolution

You may think so but I don't. While in Naija, I invited a woman into my home to hide her from her husband because the man was always beating her and almost killed her. The last straw happened when she was hospitalised for days after such abuse. her life is definitely more important than the marriage, and I am glad that she's divorced the man today.

i will look into the bishop/pastor thingy

Let's know wht you come up with. I'm always willing to learn.

@Gamine,

@TayoD.

One, What is the difference between a pastor and a bishop.

A Pastor is a Shepherd while a Bishop is more like an Administrator. A Bishop is not a part of the five-fold ministry as mentioned in Ephesians. these ministries include - Evangelists, Prophets, Apsotles, Pastors and Teachers.

Two, if they were both unbelievers and she left, then he became born again.
he is a new creature and is not tied with her, examine the life of Paul.

This is pure crap. You become born-again when your wife leaves you? Is your wife's departure the water and the blood the scriptures mention?

Three, the only basis allowed for a divorce is infidelity, which God hates anyways
and why should a Christian be involved in such.

The Bible didn't say expressly that God hates infidelity. God abhors sin, and infidelity is a subset of it. But as I said before, in the spirit of the NT, a husband should even forgive the wife. Afterall, she wasn't unfaithful 70 times 7 times in the course of one day.

Therefore, As a true Christian there is no basis for a Marriage dissolution

@Gamine,

i tried to refrain from posting here again
But because you directed your post at me,
i have to.

I didn't realise you were trying to avoid the thread.

One, Pastors are not Specially called
As Christians we are all called, to one thing or the other.
check out my posts for the biblical reference i gave.
If any man Desireth the office of a bishop. . . . .

You are getting things wrong here. We are all called in a sense but not all are called to the five-fold ministry as is expressed in Ephesians. The Bible is very clear that God does not repent of His callings so I see no basis for you to ask that he stops being a Pastor. To be a Bishop is not a calling, just as to be the CEO of is not. These are two different things altogether.

Well, i really believe if his wife left him, an unbeliever
then it is ok.

Please explain

if they were both believers and she prolly committed fornication/adultery
then it is ok.

But in the spirit of the NT, you should forgive.

if they were both believers and she just left, it is NOT ok.

Again, please explain

@topic,

He is wrong 2 have mentioned names.

So we are okay with our condition as long as no one mentions our name? Na wa for my country people o.

I though our people would rather tell our leaders to go sit under the tutleage of the Georgian President to learn how he managed to move his country from the same back-stage position that Nigeria is to a nation ranked ahead of even Germany.

@Gamine,

He is disqualified to pastor, thats the thing here.

How do you mena? No one qualifies to be a Pastor. Pastors are called by God. God does not approve you for that office based on one qualifications or another. So I think you need to change your thinking in this regard, as the scriptures have said: "the gifts and callings of God are without repentance."

Someone asked if Okotie will sleep with his ex-wife if he comes across her again. Well, he never slept with her for over 3 years prior to the divorce. This was the basis for the divorce. Nigerian law permits a dissollusion of a marriage that has not be consumated for up to 3 years. The funny thing is that they lived together whenver Okotie was in the US, but they just never "did it". It was durng one of those Okotie's trip to the US that he finished his book - The Last Outcast. So you see, the guy from all indications appear to be sexually disciplined.

To the issue of divorce. Divorce is not the sin against the Holy Spirit even though some will like us to believe it is. The Bible is very clear that God "hates" divorce. That He hates it does not mean He forbids it. Does anyone remember the OT Prophet whose wife was promiscous and God had hi marry her over and over again? Why was that situation different? I don't have the answers to all the issue here, but I believe the man is happy and he deserves to be.

He was mighty sweet to his former wife who still adores him but is convinced she can't continue to be his wife. Mrs Okotie sure seems to be a very humble person who fits into everything he wants in a woman. I can't believe I never knew her even though she attends Household all these while. That is an eloquent testimony of her character. Many that are not half as beautiful or connected to Pastor Chris carry themselves as if they are his deputy. I just pray they are happy together.

@joshjosh,

distance between france and nigeria and politics of their earlier split doesnt make this good a good example here. bottom line is this sillyy georgian man misread the support of the americans and as bruce george said it back fired on his head.

Distance is not the key factor here but the territorial integrity of one country versus another. Whether Russia is 1 mile away or 10,000 mile away does not give them the right to meddle in the internal affairs of Georgia, much less invading their neighbour.

@landis,

Exactly why are you blaming Virgin? Is there more to the story that you have not shared with us? So far, it seems that Naija is the one to blame.

And by the way, its not by force for a country to have a National Airline. The govt's job is to govern and not operate businesses that can be beter handled by the private sector.

@Davidylan,

South Ossetians do not want to be a part of Georgia . . . if the West was so adamant about defending Kosovo's right to secede from Serbia then why shld the SO case be different?

I am not trying to be particular here but to come up with modalities and principles that should guide any ethnic group to seek self-actualisation through self-governance. At what point does this fragmentation end?

The president has no right to force separatists to be a part of his country. What else are referendums for?

The Georgian Govt has set up modalities for negotiation with the Ossetians but those who are after an armed resistance are the root of the present conflict. Why should Russia support the armed resistance and not seek a diplomatic negotiation as Georgia has done? That should be the question.

@Mckren,

Does South Osettia belong to Georgia anymore than than Georgia belong to the Soviet Union.

Absolutely. SO is a break-away province of a sovereign nation - Georgia. Russia is nothing but a regional bully whose attempt to destabilize Georgia is evidenced by its issuing passports to SO residents. Georgia fell into Russia's trap.

@Mckren,

Georgia attacked first

Yep, but they attacked within their territory to keep their country one. They never attacked Russia. Would the UK have the right to invade Naija after Obasanjo bombed Odi even if British people were killed during the attack? I think not. The best they could do is send in special forces to evacuate their citizens. That is not what Russia did. Instead, they launched Putin's style of "peace-keeping" and ended up invading another sovereign nation. I tire o. Abeg, no Russian forces should be allowed on any UN peace keeping mission now that we have an experiential knowledge of what that means to the Kremlin.

@Mckren,

You can not attack Rusian citizens and hope that somehow by going to launch a media propaganda, you will define for Russia how to respond. Russia is still a world power, they can veto any UN resolution against them, China will not even turn their backs on Russia.

Georgia did not attack Russian citizens. Who is selling you this propaganda. SO technically belongs to Georgia even though Russia has being setting Georgia up for this a**-whooping by giving its passports to the people of SO, even though SO is Georgia's territory.

No matter how many Bakassians hold Naija's pasport, Bakassi technically belongs to Cameroun and Cameroun has every right to fight to keep its country one even if the Bakassians revolt.

@Ibime,

it is not by force to live with the sons of Dan Fodio.

So after the Sons of Oduduwa are separated from the sons of Dan Fodio, who will keep the sons of Oduduwa from splitting along clan lines? Case in point - Ife and Modakeke!

You've still side-stepped my question - Where does it end?

@Davidylan,

I certainly do not agree . . . every nationality must have a right to autonomy.

Just as the President has every right to protect the territorial integrity of the nation which he swore to maintain.

@Ibime,

people like Tayo-D buy all this propaganda hook, line and sinker without even examining the issues.

What issues are left out here. You did not respond to my earlier submission: "When and how should a limit be placed on secession"? So should SO allow others to break away from them assuming they also get their independence? Are we going to keep seceeding until every village becomes an independent country, and that will probably break down until each family is their own country.

While Europe is getting bigger, we are fighting to get smaller. I wonder who's thinking wrong here.

In any case, any fight for autonomy must be dealt with by each nation. The central govt has every right to tp prevent such happening even to the extent of using force. No outside party, including Russia in this case, should interfere. That is my point.

@ASL33,

I do not know what gave Georgia the guts to make that move, were they thinking US will come to their aid? I hope Czech Republic and Poland will learn from this.

Would you say Nigeria should not make a move to keep its territorial integrity intact if MASSOB decides to secede? Would you say France has any right to invade Nigeria assuming many of the Easterners were given French Passports? Do you think France would have the right to station unwanted  "peace keepers" in Abia State in order to protect and enhance the activities of MASSOB? And would you consider it right for France to be bombing Lagos all because it is protecting MASSOB against the Federal Govt of Nigeria?

NB: You can substitute France and Nigeria for Russia and Georgia in this case.

@RichyBlack,

I stand with South Ossetia and their right to self determination.

This self-determination we are talking about, where and how does it end? At what point is a group's so-called self-determination legitimate while others are not? And to what extent should another nation be involved in the internal wranglings of another with respect to secession? Russia is definitely an outside party here considering the fact that this is more or less a civil matter of a UN recognized independent nation - Georgia.

@Ibime,

The people of South Ossetia all own Russian passports, therefore Russia did not break any law by moving in.

Much of what you said makes sense and I do agree to a large extent. However, I do not believe your emboldened quote above. South Ossetia is a break-away province that still is under the territorial integrity of Georgia. This can be comparable to Nigeria claiming Bakassi as her own just because we offered the people Nigerian Passports. By every law and common sense, what makes a piece of real estate part of a country is not who lives in it, but who owns the land. Georgia owns South Ossetia and Russia's military offesnsive under the guise of "peace-keeping" is criminal.

That being said, the US has already angered Russia by flying all 2,000 Georgian troops in Iraq back to Georgia. I think if this continues, the US can be dragged into a military confrontation with Russia, but let's hope this does not happen. I can imagine the US sending its own "peace-keepers" to be a buffer between Georgia and the Russian troops. That is a recipe for Armageddon.

In my estimation however, I want the US to hands-off this wahala altogether. Let Europe take care of it. Much of America's actions that have being more in Europe's interests are unappreciated anyway. Let all those holier-than-thou hypocrites deal with the wahala.

Talking about hypocrites, the deafening silence of the usual mob that condemn Isreal when it defends herself isn't going unnoticed. I thought the same people would be here now condemning the loss of innocent lives. It is obvious that their judgements are clouded by political leanings.

@BigB1,

You should at least try to acknowledge the sources of your information. It is obvious from the write-up below that you are not the author.

Regarding the below however, I do not see anything about policy statement. This is the continuation of the all rhetoric, no substance that is characteristic of the Obama-Democratic camp.

I challenge your man (McCain) to miss his daily dosage (Prozac); and I guarantee you that you will witness him at his best.
Many in DC know this fact; they know what this maniac is capable of doing.

Who wants a president that is controlled by medication?

At the age of 47 years, John McCain openly voted against MLK day, without any tangible reasons. He felt like MLK did not deserve that honor and the day (MLK day) would be another wasted day and money. What a slowpoke! Please feel free to check him out as he wiggles his way around trying to explain his mentally deranged position on rejecting MLK day.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/04/mccain-voted-against-mlk-day-at-almost-50-years-of-age/

While many all over the world are seeking for peace and unity, John McCain is busy composing a song to bomb Iran
" He (Senator John McCain) sings BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN, and then laughs ,  what a creepy little man. Please feel free to check him out on:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I

Furthermore, Mccain is widely known and very good at calling his audience, associates and reporters names without any hesitation. The man finds it extremely difficult to complete a statement without using dirty street language which is obscene, profane or vulgar.
The big question is: Who needs a president like him?
It is apparent that at his old age senility has set in. He needs to take a class in how to make friends, influence people and communicate his message effectively. Instead of calling people jerks and stupid 24 times a day.

In fact, just few weeks ago, Senator John McCain also cracked another expensive joke about killing Iranians by exporting cigarette to Iran to kill them off.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/08/mccains-latest-iran-dud-m_n_111553.html

Is this what leading the greatest country in the world is all about?
Forget everything else and just focus for a moment; once again, do you really think John McCain is a better man for this job?
It is a matter of using one's common sense effectively; you need not to be a scientist to figure out that Senator John McCain absolutely doesn't have what it takes to effectively lead United State of America to the promise land.
For Christ sake, this is not the Star Wars Battlefront II Playstation 2 game This is electing the most powerful man in the world.
John McCain is a crackpot that needs to be put away from the public.

There is no question, it is clear to all that John McCain (at all levels) can not be compared to the magnificent qualities of leadership style Barack Obama is capable of bring to the white house to restore the incredible USA solid stamina back to normal; if you can't see this, it means something serious isalso wrong with you.

John McCain's grades:
1. Personality = Zero
2. Intelligence = Zero
3. Sense of Humour = Zero
5. Communication Skill = Zero
6. Leadership Skill = Zero
7. Choice of Language = Zero
6. World Current Affairs = - Zero
8. Inspiration = Zero

The man is empty from the top to the bottom and also from the bottom to the top.
Could someone please identify this substance the blockheads continue to mention when McCain's name is called?

The selection of Hillary Clinton as Obama running mate will completely disable this reckless time bomb called McCain, and probably sends him straight to the nursing home; where I think he belongs.

Your abusing this man over his age, who has achieved more excellently in his lifetime than you could ever dream of does not potray you as a serious minded folk. You accuse him of not addressing people rightly and here you've done much worse. Hypocrite.