₦airaland Forum

@Davidylan,

Has anyone ever looked at a map of Paul's missionary journey?
Let me remind you that this man who in today's geography compassed at least 3 continents did so with no private jet at all.

Perhaps he would have reached all the continents if he had a jet. Perhaps he would not have suffered that ship-wreck if he went by air instead of the only option he had - by ship. Can you tell us what Paul needed for missionary work that he failed to use simply because it does not fit in with the Davidylan theology?

all disciples are not busy using sales pitches to steal money from the poor that they might live in abundance.

Tell me, would you prefer the constant travel to seating your behind at home enjoying the company of your loved ones? I tell you, I'll take the comfort at being at home with my family anytime than hob-nobbing around the world in the most expensive jet. It takes those who don't do much travel to think the way you do.

The apostles prefered to sell their lands to help the poor rather than use them to build the largest synagogues in Israel.

One thing you forget is that for each land they sowed, they reaped "more lands". Like I said, your land today is your laptop - go sell it and bring the money to the Apostle's feet. And don't forget to clear you bank account while doing the same.

Elijah did not leave the widow with "prayers" and "promises". Christ blessed and fed 5000 . . . how many have your CEOs left better than they met them?

Come to think of it, will the congregation keep growing if all they are experiencially getting is this so-called "prayers" and "promises"?

poor analogy . . . i afford all that i have by the sweat of my brow and the blessings of the Lord who has undeservedly chosen to bless me. I did not con the starving people of Darfur with empty promises and false doctrine to purchase my laptop. I have not eaten today by taking money from the average naija man in the name of Christ.

You don't get it do you? Those who gave up their lands did it not because they got easy money. If you think it is so easy to get money from people why don't you go do it? Who do you think is blessing this people - Satan? These are freewill offerings and not 419, so i really don't get your point.

@Davidylan,

While our villages are in dire need of men of God, when our peasants in the hinterlands can not get their hands on a copy of the bible in their own language, when our farmers living in remote jungles have yet to set their eyes on a man of God . . . our "pastors" are too busy buying jets to "spread the gospel" among the very people who brought the gospel to us in the first place.

I wish you will lead by example and pack your bags now on your way to igbotiti. I can assure you that RCCG has branches in villages and interland your "butter" feet will never step on. Why not go sell your laptop and give the money to a Bible translating society. Better still, why not switch from studying whatever it is you are studying now and go learn these languages so you could provide the translation forst hand. I wish people will judge others the way they judge themselves.

Is Adeboye "spreading the gospel" in London? they heard it well before us . . . start from the poor villagers in Yobe state who don't even know a Christ once lived, if you noticed . . . you don't need a jet to get there.

And you will need a jet to come to naija and a donkey to take you from Murtala International Airport to Yobe State. I will be more than happy to provide you with honey and wild locust for your daily refreshing.

@Davidylan,

Poor analogy - did Mary levy her neighbours to buy the oil of anointing?

You keep dancing around in circles. The Bible declares that preachers of the Gospel must be supported by the Gospel. They have done nothing wrong by receiving offerings, besides this jet is not a personal property, it is for the Ministry. Tell me, when last did you obey Galatians 6:6 - Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

Of what purpose is the private jet? How does it glorify God? Is Roger Federer's private gulfstream also for the purpose of the gospel?

Of what use is your laptop? how does it glorify God? I can't believe you are asking these questions. You still haven't balanced your zeal with knowledge.

Brother . . . please wake me up from my slumber - when did your church become a business conglomerate with a CEO?

Where did I say the Church was a busness conglomerate. This is why Jesus declared that the children of this world are wiser than the Children of God in their generation. While the world will use common sense to achieve their set goal, the church is busy making excuses why they should not use theirs. Tell me, don't you think Apostle Paul would have done more if he had a jet than if he didn't?

How did the apostles reach their world with the gospel?
How did the early apostles pen the words you quote today without the computer, no word processors, no biros, no paper as you have it today, no post offices, no copying machines, no private jets . . .

I wonder why you use all those facilities today when your Lord Jesus never did. Your understanding of the Gospel must mean that you must deny yourslef of everything that Jesus denied Himself of. My understanding is that He denied Himself so I can have those things - go figure!

This generation will have no excuse on the day of judgement.

You have a lot of explaining to do for owning a laptop when some other people lack Bibles.

@Davidylan,

1. Acts 4: 32-37 was not an accident . . . unless you choose to be spiritually blind in order to find a suitable excuse for your merchants of mens souls parading themselves as pastors today - those 5 key verses refer to every single member of the church inclusive as being helped according to their need . . . at least 5 times.

Every single member of the church? You gotta be kidding me. The Bible is very clear: "if any would not work, neither should he eat", and "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel". So why would the Church sustain a lifestyle that makes you worse than an infidel? that is why I said you fail to read the scriptures scripturally. You go off on a tangent without thinking about how it works with other scriptures. On the one hand you said this: "1. At no time did i claim the church provided for the "daily living" of every member.
2. At no time did i advocate that today's church is responsible for providing the for the daily upkeep of the congregation."; and agian you are advocating what you have earlier dismissed.

God is not the author of confusion, he will not give you bread if you refuse to work. And for the poor, what they need is not money, it is the Gospel, and the Gospel declares that it is only those who give and sow that shall receive and reap.

the same Jesus said - blessed are the poor.

Again you continue to use scriptures that are irrelevant to the topic so as to make yourself look good. Of course the poor are blessed, and the way to be more blessed is to give rather than receive. If I meet a poor person today, the first thing I'll have that person do is to bless someone who is poorer than himself. That and receiving the Gospel is the first step towards prosperity.

@Davidylan,

this is a hypocrites excuse.

A hypocrite is one who does not practice what he preaches/says. How am i a hyprocrite.

1. I do not collect tithes and offerings.

The scripture in context does not refer exclusively to pastors, but all Disciples.

2. I am merely putting these "men" side by side with the actions of the ancient apostles and found them glaringly wanting.

The apsotles used every means of their days to reach the world. If they had access to jets, they would have got one. Can you tell me what means of transportation they had but never used?

3. Its not about the poor, its about conning the poor.

I guess you will say the same about Elijah and even Jesus who accepted the offering of the widow who gave all her living.

4. The little i have i make sure those around me are blessed from the sweat of my labour not from how much i can wangle from the pockets of the gullible.

You are a hypocrite. How dare you own a laptop when people are starving in Sudan. How dare you eat 3 square meals when some in Naija can't afford one. You see how this is so relative?

Davidylan,

I don't have the time to walk you thru scriptures again pointing this obvious facts to you. However, it takes one who just refuses to see the truth to not know that the NT Church's emphasis on helping the poor is largely and exclusively for the widows and orphans. Here are some scriptures I'll like you to ponder and consider. That the every man mentioned in Acts 4 is not properly defined in that passage does not mean we are left without its meaning in other scriptures. That is where we need to think about scriptural admonition of line upon line, precept upon precept, a little here and a little there.

Acts 6:1 In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Grecian Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food

1 Tim 5:3 - Give proper recognition to those widows who are really in need.

1 Tim 5:16 - If any woman who is a believer has widows in her family, she should help them and not let the church be burdened with them, so that the church can help those widows who are really in need.

James 1:27 - Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

@Davidylan,

I will appreciate your kindly showing me in at least one instance, where what I have said violates scripture. Start by showing that the Church was responsible for meeting other's needs apart from Widows and orphans.

@davidylan,

1. When tithes and offerings were collected by the early church it was meant to cater to the needs of EVERY member of the body of Christ, rich or poor, small or big, male or female, pastor or church warden.
- What do we have today? The congregation "sowing" that mr. pastor may ride the latest jets all over the world while the "sowers" trek to church.

When you read the Bible out of proper contexts, you will end up with the statement as above. The Church never provided for the daily living of everyone except at a time when it was confirmed that there would be famine at a place. The Church ONLY provided for the needs of Widows and Orphans. To the others, the timeless truth applies: "He that does not work must not eat".

2. Even the apostles themselves sowed seeds. Note that brother Barnabas was a fellow traveller with Paul at one time. How many of our "pastors" today, having much land, cars, jets, schools . . . have sold them, brought the money and laid it at the apostles feet that "distribution be made unto EVERY MAN according as he had need?"

That you have no clue what they do does not mean they do not do it. Question: "How many times have you carried out the injuction you highlighted above yourself?" People who hype too much about the poor reminds me of no other than Judas. Didn't jesus Himself mention that "the poor you will always have with you?" Why didn't He ask Mary to go sell the perfume and give the money to the poor? The answer is very simple. Mary did that to fulfil the Gospel. The jet that the GO is buying, what purpose is it for?

Let's assume you are a CEO who owns business interests all over the world. Do you think it will be prudent to buy a jet or to continue hopping from one plane to another subject to airline cancellations and schedule? We need to make right judgments and not just one based on prejudice.

I don't know GO nor am I a fan. I don't thinkI can ever be a member of his ministry, but with the size of his church and what I believe is schedule is, I am surprised he is just getting a jet. Even the scriptures decalare that in the last days, men shall go to and fro. How do you think God expects that to be done? On the back of donkeys?

Continue worshipping these false prophets.

Worshipping? Exactly what do you mean?

@itsolajide,

Thanks for that piece. You've summed up my thoughts so eloquently. I like the way you've put the stance of these hordes of a-llah in biblical perspectives. We never need to add or take away from the Bible - It so easily defends itself like you have shown here.

@SeanT21,

Psalm 110:1 - The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?” They said to Him, “ The Son of David.” He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying: “The LORD said to my Lord,“ Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”? If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?” And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.

Can someone explain that verse?

This verse is very clear in its implication. It clearly reveals that David was given the priviledge to listen in on a trinitarian conversation. Just like Stephen in the NT who saw heaven opened and Jesus standing on the right hand of the Father, David actually overhead their conversation (though the scripture does not indicate he saw anything).


There are two Personalities which we see here - "The Lord" and "My Lord". The first refers to Almighty God in His Majesty and exceeding glory. This is the essence of God that Jesus declares in the NT that no man has seen. "My Lord" on the other hand refers to God who is relatable to and approachable to man. He represents God personalised through experience. This is the one the scriptures refer to as the WORD who manifested in the flesh in the fullness of His relationship to man.

This is why I can't figure out why some people say Jesus was never revealed or manifested in the flesh in the OT (saying all we saw was just the Holy Spirit). Anytime God manifests in the flesh in the OT, the people who experienced it are able to personalise that revelation of God which is why we get names like Jehoveh Nissi, Jehoveah Rapha, Jehovah Tsikednu, Jehovah Jireh etc. This is "The Lord" becoming "My Lord" to these folks.

In the NT however, we don't just declare Jehovah is this and that to us. When we declare "Jesus", it represents the fullness of God's manifestation in the flesh. He becomes everything personal of "God" to us, He becomes - "My Lord".

I hope my little piece helps somebody, 'cos its getting me shouting here already. Glory to God - Jehovah Jesus!

@topic,

I personally enjoy pork. Infact, it is the sweetest meat when you are looking to grille. I do barbecue at least once a week and I do pork meat at least twice a month. I still have the left-over pork spare ribs I made last weekend in my fridge. It just gets sweeter and sweeter by the day.

On the religious perspective, all animal meat is holy as long as it is received with thanksgiving. People lose sight of what the Old Testament really teaches. The objective is not the meat but holiness and separation unto God. Jesus said specifically in the NT that nothing that a man eats can make him unclean. So I do not understand how some Christians declare pigs unworthy to touch their taste buds because of religion.

@RedHotChic,

That means that Bush must have used some stimulants to lure them beside the gutters. It also means that non of us is safe from that gutter epidemic. That guy is smart.

I wont put it past the guy. No wonder there is a popular movement in one of the States to name the Public Waste Disposal Agency after G.W. Bush. They consider it befitting considering the many shit loads of his presidency.

@topic,

I have another conspiracy theory about this whole issue. We need to find out the activities of G.W.Bush in this whole matter. Afterall, he might be trying to grow some mutants - Ninja Turtle Style in Kano for onward delivery to Afghanistan in search of Osama. The underground sewers of New York gave us those mutant heroes. Why can't the same happen in kano?! Who knows a few years of surfing the gutters and Kawabanga, we have our own Ninja Turtles.

Men, I hope I am not sitting too close to the public toilet here

@Sky Blue,

When people in Kano begin attracting foreign investors with such a novel idea and use the revenue generated to develop Kano thereby turning it into Nigeria's premier urban metropolis then we would see who would have the last laugh.

The only thing we will leave out of the urbanisation will be the gutters. Afterall, why lose the "natural" resource that brought you wealth!

@RedHotChic,

Just don't bottle fake farts

There is no need to do that. There is ample supplies of burger-induced farts here in the USA to go round. I'm sure I can bottle these more cheaply than trying to bottle a fake one.

@Sky Blue,

I just have this image of an old guy sitting by the gutter and reading a news paper trying to look non chalant and meanwhile he is getting high.

Can you imagine? They've turned our "tales by moonlight" into "tales by the gutter side" so as to get the imagination of the kids going further than the story teller can take 'em.

@topic,

This topic has given me some great commercial ideas. Why don't I start bottling up some farts and sending to kano for sale. The only problem is that American farts will not sell too well in the Sharia States. I guess I can eliminate that problem by bottling the farts in China. Imagine this: "Farts for sale - made in the USA and bottled in China for consumption in Naija".

I will probably meet the needs of the kano elite by bottling Saudi farts for sale. Who wants to be a millionaire? Let's exploit this idea I beg.

@cold,

You can as well deride d Chinese 4 recommendin drinkin of urine since its a waste from the body or the Congolese 4 eatin monkeys,or the Tivs 4 eating rats or the Catholics 4 eating pigs,i can go on & on.My point is while i don't recomend sewer waste as a stimulant, the other vices are not farin any better.Stay clean.

The only vice I see here listed is the drinking of urine. There's nothing wrong with eating of any meat as long as it is well prepared. The next thing is to categorize all meat-eaters along with the sewer-inhaling kanoites.

@RedHotChic,

They are not even close. They can as well look for a pit latrine and inhale the hot air that comes off it.

Better still, they can avoid going to the loo for the next 4 weeks. That way, they can get high from the "fresh" putrid smell escaping from their insides. What better way to get high than from your own internal putrefaction combustion engine.

@kobo,

There is no explanation for this one ooo!!

Nothing needs explanation. Like the Bible says, men are good at creating evils. I can no longer be surprised by anything anymore. Infact this gutter sniffing/surfing is more sane to me than the thought of a male putting his "ding-dong" into another male's "shit-hole" in the name of sexual freedom/pleasure. Believe me, nothing can shock me anymore.

@Kobo,

This is as low as any being can go, but then again, I will not put it past Nigerians to prove me wrong, yet again, ROFLMAO!!!

Have you ever heard the song: He that is down need fear no fall, He that is low no pride etc. Apply the truism in that song to this situation and you wouldn't be too surprised.

@kobo,

ROFLMAO!!!! It's just I can not imagine why in the world anyone would want to sniff gutter fumes to get high WHY GUTTER for pete's sake??

They do it for the same reason some people in Haiti I believe, now bake clay to eat - affordable substitution to the otherwise unavailable/expensive original.

@ow11,

The North-east hasn't got either.

The next to ask for an international Airport will be the North-West, then North-Central, then North-east Central, then South-east, and south-south etc, Where does it stop?  If you need Airport, go build one. I just hope you have enough traffic to keep the staffs paid.

@Tats,

I like Elect/Elect and recognise its importance, so lets not waste time on which is and which is not important.

I totally agree with you here. We could go on and on about which is more important and end up with arguments like "which comes first, the egg or the hen"? All engineering fields are interwoven and one can not exist or go far without the other. It is when all the fields are equally developed that you offer the best product and options to humanity.

@CH3C00,

TayoD everything you said was agreeable to me until the sex plays no role part.

That is why I said as far as I know. My experience does not show that women are discriminated against.

There was no single female in my class throughout my studies in U.I. While I worked with female Architects, i never had a female Engineer as a colleague in Nigeria. I don't think it was due to discrimination, but the fact that there just wan't many female Engineers as i experienced back in school. Though there were female Petroleum, Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, there just was not a single female in my department, at least in my class.

As to my experience in the U.S., a female heads the Substation department here in my office. We have other female engineers that are doing very well and I don't know of any discrimination anywhere. Infact, the female department head is actually a first generation immigrant into the U.S.

And did I say that my female cousin, a Civil Engineer was a major factor in my choice to becoem a Civil Engineer?

@Nella,

Me 4 example, I want to study " Software Engineering" like ma bro, but since it's a curse that doesn't exist in Nigeria

The Curse aspect explains why it doesn't do well in naija

@Gamine,

Dont be bothered, Female engineers even receive some special benefits
the male staff do not.
As an Engineer not technician, you aren't supposed to be doing heavy labor anyways
Its more supervisory work and definitely you need to be sure of what your doing.

Thanks for making this clarification. Many don't even know the difference between an Engineer and a Technician. As an Engineer, your work is 99% of the time brain work. As a trained Civil/Structural Engineer, I have built a lot of things without lifting a spade. I've worked in both the design and construction ield and the story is the same.

Civil Engineering sure provides you with a lots of options. Infact, the way things work here in the US, you can go into any engineering field irrespective of your engineering background. The only caveat is that you sign and approve only the jobs you supervised or reviewed and have competence at. The different divisions of engineering are usually not emphasised in your seal.

Think of it, as a Civil/Structural Engineer, I have worked in an Architectural Firm, Civil, Structural, Geotechnical and Water resources Firm, Construction Firm, Telecommunication Industry and now as a Transmission Design Engineer in the Power Industry. The sky is indeed your limit when it comes to engineering.

And by the way, your sex plays no role, positive or negative as far as I am concerned and know. Its all about your brainability.

@babs787,

Is that not a typographical error or you were not with your glasses because I sent the rejoinder and not Olabowale . You too dey chop groundnut

Come to think of it, it's been a whuile I last ate groundnut. I need to get me some with some cold and chilling garri.

I asked a very straight forward question: Is the peter that wrote the apocalyse same as the one in the letter of Peter?

What has that got to do with the issue? and by the way, you must be referring to Apostle John, the closest of the Disciples to Jesus.

Do you need verses from your bible supporting Qu ranic verses? Do you have any christian prophet?

I don't need any verses from the Queeran to support the Bible. The Bible testifies of itself and can stand on its own, even though same cannot be said of the Queeran. Are you fore real about Christain Prophets? Apart from all the Prophets in the Old Testament, the new Testament has a number of them. If you have no clue, I will be glad to educate you.

You and your friends have not been able to solve the questions on 'comforter' particularly the last verse presented by Olaadegbu where holy spirit descended on Jesus. I wonder how the Spirit Jesus said would come after him was around during his time

There is no confusion in our minds as to who the Comforter is. he came to abide with the Believers from the day of Pentecost. Jesus testified that the Comforter will abide first on the Disciples in Jerusalem. The Spirit of God has always been here. His descending on Jesus was a sign to John the Baptist then for him to fully recognise who Jesus is. The outpouring that Jesus said was a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy we came to pass as witnessed in Acts.

You need to grab and read the history of the arabs and the Jews and when you are through, I will supply you atrocities perpetrated by the Jews to both Mu. slims and Christians

I don't need no stories from you. What about the attrocities carried out by Moohammed and the Arabs against all mankind. We still see their descendants commiting such attrocities today. And by the way, this is a very cleaver way to avoid answering my simple question: "How can Moohammed be the Comforter when he declares to wipe out the Jews?" Does he comfort with the edge of the sword?

Na wa o. Ignorance is really a disease and you confirmed that. You are not the only christian to come with the above but your folks here have said same but let me use this opportunity to ask you and your friends: If it is the poison that killed Him, why did he lived up to three years after eating the meal considering the fact others died? (Let me stop here and would present the full gist to you when you are able to provide rebuttal to my question)

You want to start your usual spin abi? Of course Moohammed didn't die immediately because he only chewed and never swallowed the whole meat. The one who swallowed died immediately. didn't Moohammed used to testify following the poisoning that: "I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein." Please see: http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/mo-death.htm for more details. I don't have time for all this revisions you are attempting.

Brother, point of correction, Alla h did not tell Him to ask you because early christians were different fro you in belief and by the way, my Creator did not say he revealed the BIBLE. I am still coming to why the use of christians to mean Nasara in the Qu ran.

Oh so they were different from us baa? Pleae show us the books apart from the bible that contains their articles of faith. The undiluted faith of the earliest Christians is epitomised by the Apostles including Paul. What they believed, live and died for is diametrically opposed to what Eslam stands for.

You are the one being biased just bcause you are a christian. Ask a very good student of history and he would expose what seemed unknown to you. Besides, I have write ups on the Jews and their atrocities. Just go to search engine and educate yourself.

Is your answer meant to address my question as to why you people do not believe Moohammed's revelation that the Jews own the goodly land of Palestine that you are hell-bent of displacing them from?

Tayo, why are you writing like this? Are you saying that you do not understand English Language again ? Can you show me where my prophet claimed that he doubted the revelations?

Isn't your al'ah supposed to be all-knowing? Why would he say the following to moohammed if he never doubted the revelation? Surah 10:94 - If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

It was in Antioch the word 'christians' was first used and Bible Scholars made it known to us that before Antioch, they were called Nazarene which happens to be a group of Jews that observed the Law of Moses and recognized Jesus as the Messiah.
It is also in the Acts that a pagan king Agrippa joined the people to first called the followers of Jesus 'christians' and he was moved by the frantic effort of Paul to turn him into Christian that he said:

Again you've started with your mental gymnasts. The Bible refered to them as Disciples of Jesus until Antioch when they were called Christians, which in reality is another way of say Christ's Disciples or followers. What other sources are you referencing other than the Book the Apsotles and witnesses wrote themselves. The issue of Nazarene goes way beyond what you have written and is a convenient digreesion from the issus we are discussing.

Whether you call them Nazarene, Christians, Disciples or whatever, what sets them apart is their faith in Christ as their Lord and Saviour. Thomas bowed down and worshipped Jesus after His resurrection, refering to him as My Lord and My God - John 20:28

“The Messiah’s companion adhered to his teaching…after his departure

Do you want to know what Apostles John, Peter and james have to say about Jesus? I'm sure you are aware that they are opposed to Moohammed's revelations. So if they abide to Jesus' teachings, why should I believe in Moohmammed who never met Jesus and whose revelations are contrary to the Disciples?

Qu ran 4 v 3: This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you The Great Religion as your religion.

Where did you get this quote from? it is certainly not in that chapter and verse of the Queeran. So Esalm was onnly perfected from moohammed's day? How caome you claim that Adam and co were mooslims when there is nothing to prove that? Did Adam or Moses use to face mecca when he prayed? Why the change from facing Jerusalem to facing Mecca. This your al'ah needs to make up his mind o.

@Olabs,

Is the Peter that wrote the apolapse same as the above?

Exactly what are you talking about here? Are you doubting the Aposlteship of Peter too now? In any case, you are yet to answer my question: "which of the prophets or Apostles testify to the prophethood or inspiration of Moohammed's revelations?" And don't start again with the Moohammed is the Comforter thingy. How can he be the comforter when he declares the Jews will all be wiped out on the last day. he mustn't be providing much comfort for the Jewess to have posisoned and killed him.

Brother, I laugh when I hear christians hiding behind the above verse and using it ignorantly here on Nairaland. I think we need to shun arrogance and learn from each other.

I laugh even harder when I hear mooslims claiming the bible is corrupted when even their alah asked their prophet and by extension all mooslims to confirm the revelation they have received through those who had the bible - Jews and Christians.

When we read the verse preceding this we find that God (swt) is telling Prophet The Great Prophet (saw) in the The Great Book regarding the Children of Israel and how much God (swt) blessed these people.

Specifically how Jehovah setteld them in the area we know as Palestine today. If you believe God settled them there, why are you guys bent on displacing them and killing them? See hypocrisy at work!

Then in this verse God (swt) tells Prophet The Great Prophet (saw) to ask them if he does not believe in what is revealed. So Prophet The Great Prophet (saw) is instructed to ask regarding this particular information if he does not believe what God (swt) has revealed to him. Hence he would ask the Children of Israel whether they were blessed by God (swt) or whether disputes did occur between them.

So Moohammed doubted the revelations he received? And again, who are those who owned the Book and read ahead of Moohammed? The answer is plain and simple - Jews and Christians. The same copy of the Book is still here today for your references but of course, you guys know better than your lord and consider the book you should refernce corrupted.

I don't even know what that has got to do with you being a christian because the verse referred to the children of Israel.

Who are those who read the Book before Moohammed came along? Who are the people of the Book? Jews and Christians. The children of Isreal were mentioned by name in the previous verse and if alah meant to refer to them again, he would have mentioned their name. So no dribbling around that fact.

@FMK,

That should be Elijah and not Elisha.

Moses actually died.

adebisi,

Obama has made the entire black race happy, this gives us hope, faith and strenght, the black race is no longer inferior, we on the edge of producing the strongest man in the world. if you are black and proud, pass this to every black person

This is nothing but hogwash. So you were hopeless, faithless and weak until Obama became the Democratic presidential nominee? I have never suffered an inferior complex, so you will do well to speak for yourself.

Just as a matter of curiosity, in what way do you view differently the appointment of the first black man to the Supreme court of the United States. I am talking about the appointment of Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court by President Johnson. What about Justice Clarence Thomas who was appointed by President George Bush?

@May Kelly,

Welcome to the world of abracadabra of the Arabian kind. They will continually dance around the truth while embracing the falsity of hope they find in their delusion.

If they continue to ignore the truth of the Psalms as revealed in chapters 45 and 2 which addresses their concerns, you will do well to use the queeran to knock em back to their senses. As their spiritual mentor was told, when they are in doubt and have no clue or understanding of the truth, they should come to us christians to show them the truth and correct them from the errors of their ways Surah 10:94 - If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

@Olabs, olabs,

Yet, I can't see where God the father called Jesus son of Mary, God. Please direct me to it, without the usual song and dance. If you don't, I hope some reasonable Christian(s) can come to your aid. If I wait long enough, without a clear cut answer of either yes or what is likely, no, then I will conclude that you and others like you are just playing footsie with all your suppositions and claims.

You've been directed times without number to the Psalms, and as usual, you keep doing your usual mental gymnasts by ignoring what stares you straight in the face. I wonder who is playing footsie here

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel

@babs787,

Gods willing, I will respond to your above quote one after the other when I am less busy probably most of them with verses from your book but I noticed that you didnt give me verses directly from Jesus but from those that never witnessed his ministry but claimed to have received inspiration.

I hope you will extend the same courtesy to Moohammed who never witnessed Jesus' ministry but claim to know jack about Him. Of Apostle Paul, Peter, a witness of Jesus life, death and resurrection had this to say: 2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. So my question to you is this: "which of the prophets or Apostles testify to the prophethood or inspiration of Moohammed's revelations?"

And by the way, when are you going to obey your Moohammed's coomand that you are meant to learn from Christians and not sit over us in judgement as if you know our faith better than we do?
Surah 10:94 - If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.