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temmytanny:
I will remind you when his name is being dragged in the mud, sh.it or not

At least he rolled up his sleeves and got in there to fight. What are you doing? Sitting in your church and praying God should bless you alone in the midst of misery?

temmytanny:
am very disappointed that bakare in venturing into politics. i respect him no more

What is wrong with a pastor venturing into politics? Evil prevails because good people stand one side and and refuse to do nothing about it.

If you lose respect for a man based on his desire to change the lives and destiny of 150 million people positively then my brother I'm sorry to say your reapect is worth sh.it.

Wishing them the best of luck.

ogagusps3:
There is no 2go app for bb,
There's also no one for iPhone.
Are there no Nigerian developers to develop 2go and nairaland apps for these platforms

This is not true. There are 2go apps for the different blackberries.

@op

Just go to wap.2go.co.za on your phone browser, register with your phone nobr and download the 2go app. The website automatically detects your phone model and presents you with the app to download.

^^^
LOL. Na so u like oshofree abi?

[quote author=frgy_ link=topic=583617.msg7637825#msg7637825 date=1296461956]^^^ Hmmm , sweet
Are you sure about the etisalat info ? You know anyone that has crossed the 1.5GB mark? Cus  I talked to an etisalat cust care agent recently and was told that they have a 1.5GB limit  on the monthly package[/quote]I am 100% sure of Etisalat. The CC rep must have been misinformed. That same Customer Care told me there is No download limit for etisalat. In addition to the figure up there I have   Downloaded up to 2GB this month alone before I upgraded my OS last week. That's almost 4GB  this month alone.

Even the Daily package has no limit. I once payed 400naira for the day when I was originally testing Etisalat out and I downloaded Movies and series heading towards 800MB.

For the doubters, I installed this Network Traffic app last week. Since It started reading last week, I've done almost 2GB in downloads. Checkout the pics. Pics don't lie

I think this story is highly deceitful. Where I am, the commercial bus drivers are being paid and given other incentives to put those posters on their vehicle. It's not as voluntary as this article is painting it.

[quote author=frgy_ link=topic=583617.msg7637348#msg7637348 date=1296454341]@TCD do you stay in nigeria ? If so , which service provider offers unlimited download?
(Not challenging o ,just wana know cus I think they all put a limit on it. glo is 1.5GB)[/quote]Its ok. [b]Etisalat[\b] and [b]MTN[\b] both offer [b]Unlimited downloads[\b].

Glo offers 1.5GB and Zain offers 1GB. But as for Zain, I have never seen anyone get disconnected after exhausting the 1GB limit. I know some heavy users on Zain who have severally crossed the 1GB many times over yet never have they being disconnected. Seems like it's only Glo that takes the download limit seriously. Zain allows you to tether too.

Mafia4life:
@TCD, You be my best truthful friend, I would love to get any of your screen name for chatting ( Not pinging oooooo )
You are strong and stubborn, hehehehehehe

LOL. Its ok. Send me your yahoo I'd or Nimbuzz I'd to tcdtcd99@yahoo.com, I'll add u up.

Mafia4life:
@TCD
Like what? Ebuddy? Or Nimbuzz? What?
Mind you, Some app are written in .jar and .sis eg IM+, Nimbuzz, Winrar etc, Ir-remote can neva be written using java. What i am just saying is that C++ is best for core system app than java. Coreplayer cannot be written with java. Try read about it.

Yes I agree with you. C++ is a better platform for writing apps from the little I can gather . However I still contest that MOST not ALL apps that u have in nokia can be produced in a BB. Version.

Is coreplayer not a media player? We have media players on the BB maybe not as extensive as coreplayer but hey, they still do the job.

kenis:
Whether na 3 party app or whatever you call it does not matter. What matters is having varieties of app to perform wonders. Ability to do much more. Having the magic stick. Nokia dont have to develop all app by themselves. Dont you use computers? Numerous app is not from Microsoft. Sharpen your eyes brother!

LOL. This whole app issue is just an aside. I have already stated the core issues regarding a blackberry and its fuctions. A blackberry is NOT made primarily for FUN its designed for business. And it performs its functions EXCELLENTLY

If you are looking to perform wonders, go buy a Magic wand not a blackberry.

u2 1 day:
if you check well you would see that the nexus one deal is most likely for an 18months deal. Which covers handset and the unlimited data plan. And i dont see anyone getting a blackberry for 5pounds a month. I checked for a storm2, i got quotes for £43/month on a 24month contract.
I think you made a mistake there

I might have been wrong I admit that much. The £5 quote I got from a cousin who is in the UK for monthly rates, not on a contract though.
I really don't have the strength to go scouting for the rates so I think I'll settle for what's going on in my country which frankly is the only thing that should matter to me as per using and paying for a blackberry.

Hope that isn't a problem?

Mafia4life:
@TCD and dipo
My guys una nor try, Can a computer device be programmed without a machine language? Even Nokia touchlight maybe programmed with C++. Did you read me say BB Os Or Nokia OS? I said BB app and symbian app. Even symbian runs java app smoothly ( but with permission ).

No you didn't. You never said BB app, symbian app. Your direct quote was “Bb
is written using java language.”. No mention of OS. The posts are still up there. Scroll up and see what you said.

Blackberry Hardware works together with instructions and that instructions is written in C++. What i said is this. BB apps are written in Java ( 100% right ) BB apps are java based ( no argument ) but symbian app is written in C++ ( that is a machine language ) and that is why .sisx or .sis app's performance is like magic. BB apps can neva be programmed with C++. Stick that to your brain. Java apps are poor app ( No doubt ) and BB is 100% java based. Meanwhile java language can neva be used to program an OS because OS drives the Hardware of a device to work together.

Now you are talking. You say BB apps are Java based. True. I've also learned that Android apps are java based too, is this not so?

Having said that, I'm still not convinced many of those your nokia apps can't be written in a blackberry version for BB's. I looked up [b]MOST[\b] the apps on my nokia and I was able too see a BB version that does the same or close to it on the net or uses that same functionality. So what you're saying sounds strange to me.

Mafia4life:
Thanks for your understanding, We are not trying to make u hate your BB, It serves u very well. BB compresses data ( Only on Pinging and Network ticking )
My course of study is computer science, It is 100% wrong to say the amount of data required to watch 20min video in BB is lesser than that of symbian, They are the same my dear. You should'nt say downloading 5MB of file using BB will require 2MB. The compressing in this aspect is based on data sent or receive during surfing and sending mails.

I really don't understand this. Are you disputing the fact that the BB uses compression tech? The BB uses compression in surfing, pinging and emailing that is why Networks love it.

Nowhere did I mention BB compresses downloads and streams. That is just misquoting me.

One more fact to know!!!!!!
You said if a programmer can write such programs in symbian for BB, BB will perform such function, That statement is wrong, Bb is written using java language. And java languages are mainly best for internet application ( called applet ).
But symbian is writing using C++ and C++ is classified as a machine language ( 0 and 1 ) and a High level language. Machine languages are used to program core function of a machine ( ie the device ), Remember that symbian runs java too. Which java app have u seen to be much intelligent than symbian? My guy nor dey mention compression again, The new version of Nimbuzz.sis ( Released this year ) is said to compress data up to 75% of the older version,
All these compression u want to start with is based on protocol ( Remember? ).

Blackberry OS is programmed on C++ not java.[\b] You are very much mistaken. So I stand by my earlier statement. Those same apps can be written for the blackberry.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_OS

Ehennnnnnnn!!!!!!!!! You said you have an E72. Most BB are 3.2Megapixel but your E72 is 5MPixel. Maybe your screen is dirty. Sound is poor in E72 but[b] dont say pictures are poor. Are u really sure you have an E72? Is it p-i-m-ped? Not sure, you said BB plays video better than E72. Are u sure of what you are saying? Can a BB play Video CD file without convertiing it? As i dey type this thing, BB Tour dey for this bed wey i lie down and i am still trying all these things you said about bb. In short, when i try to watch a youtube video with this BB Tour, it bypass BIS and exshaust my friend small credit ( How can this be? ) I have seen most BB run @ 600MHz and above but try run java midlet like games and tell what you experience. One last thing, TCD, you go sell your E72?

Wow, pal easy on the misquoting.

1. I never said the E72 has a POOR camera, that's untrue.

2. I never said the BB plays videos better. Please look again coz rather I said a better screen resolution

Yes my E72 is highly pimped. And no it's not for sale, I have my other line in it.

As for the BB tour chopping your credit when you try to watch youtube videos, that is not RIM's fault, its your network provider who is restricting that and switching you to WAP when you wanna stream. I stream with My BIS on mine. I'm not too big on youtube, I rather stream internet radio.

Download the blackberry app world. Or you. Can visit crackberry.com or www.mobihand.com and download free apps from the app store.

kenis:
Blackberry handsets were designed for
business customers. That is their target
market. This means high functionality for
email and multi-tasking.
Nokia handsets, specifically Symbian OS
smart phones, were also designed with
professionals in mind.
But in all honestly, to avoid electronic theft/
vandalism against you there are a couple of
simple rules to follow,
1. Use difficult to guess passwords,
containing letters, numbers, and symbols
where possible.
2. Only use the push email client that comes
with the phone. Blackberry have their own
integrated email service, as do Nokia in the
form of Ovi-mail.
3. Never use bluetooth. Not ever. It simply
isn ’t safe. With a laptop, some simple
software, and an internet dongle, people
can scan the local area and gain access to
any cell that has bluetooth enabled.
4. When browsing the internet on a cell
phone you must ensure that the browser
you ’re using has something called ‘end to
end encryption’. This means that the site you
look at is encrypted at the point of origin,
and then de-crypted at your cell. This
ensures that no-one online can see what
your looking at, or what you ’re typing. Two
mobile browsers that use end2end
encryption are ‘Opera Mobile’ and ‘UCWeb’.
So, yeah, In my opinion you can’t go far
wrong with Blackberry or Nokia (symbian)
for secure business purposes. Personally i ’d
recommend Nokia. They’ve been in the
business a bit longer, and their range of
handsets is slightly ahead in design terms.

I no fit shout.

Privacy and security

When using Opera Mini 4.0 or 3.0 Advanced, the
connection between the mobile device and the
proxy server is always encrypted for privacy and
security. The encryption key is obtained on the
first start by requesting that the user press
random keys a certain number of times.[51]
When using Opera Mini 3.0 Basic, the connection
is not encrypted. Opera Mini has received some
criticism because it does not offer true, end-to-
end security when visiting encrypted sites such
as paypal.com.[52] When visiting an encrypted
web page, the Opera Software company's servers
decrypt the page, then re-encrypt it themselves,
breaking end-to-end security.[53]

Source : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_Mini?wasRedirected=true

Even at that, Bros, encryption pass encryption. Same way we have WAP and WEP encryption protocols on Wireless Lan, but we all know which is better don't we?

Look up what makes BB encryption unique then nod at what u see. LOL

u2 1 day:
@TCD
why didnt you comment on the fact i raised about a bb not being on the list of top 10 phones on both pcworld and techrader, isnt that clear enough that the phone aint worth the salt

Its not worth it? RIM has 14% of the smartphone sales in the world. They are specialists in business and they have carved out a niche for themselves. I don't see them striving to be world conquerors.

Plus i never said and hacker was going to use a bb or symbian as a console, an hacker surely would have to be mobile and his choice of device isnt a bb cuz its lame. plain and simple.

if you read this entire thread again its plain to see which device is the smart one.

I don't think you've made any point here.

[quote author=frgy_ link=topic=583617.msg7627334#msg7627334 date=1296309409]Business business business
other things don't matter ?
All I know is my BB aint as smart as my nokia
When I read things peeps here on NL do with their Nokias  I be like "dammm , my symbian can do that ? , and even before I install the app, someone else drops another ,and am like "fork me ! My Nokia can do that !!!"
A smart phone should have the WOW effect , but never seen anything that's gat my jaw dropping about a BB

It has its Advs , it pushes well , can't take that from it , and its secure, but there should be more to a smart phone, don't you think ?[/quote]Nowhere in the definition of a smartphone did I see it must be WOW. Different things WOW different individuals. The WOW effect is totally subjective. I guess that's what defines a smart phone for you. We all have our expectations and that is why the market is saturated with different brands with different specialties. By all means choose whichever suits your needs.

Yes, business, business, business. Is it a crime?
It's not like the phones do only business but that is their main function, its their market niche, they have other functions like multimedia too to keep the average man happy BUT their mainstay is Business and its not a crime if a company chooses to concentrate its efforts on what it does best.

You have graciously agreed that Blackberries do what they are designed for excellently. What else is the problem?

Due to unnecessary emotional sentiments I think you guys have closed your eyes to the Truth.

I have NOT said Blackberrys are The Best . I have simply said a blackberry is Primarily a Business device and performs its functions excellently. Anyone who doesn't buy it for these functions and expects miracles is frankly wasting his time and has only himself to blame for not researching.

In this age of Information its callous to think people will still blindly commit money and purchase a product without proper research then come start wailing after. Its just a funny pity.

kenis:
@ TCD
on Business
who told you you do business more than others. You keept harping on business as if to say you invented business. BB is not the only business phone. Nokia will suprise you with thier variety of business devices which many people have been using to make millions. Don't blame Nokia for your past business woes.
Security:
Are you a scammer or a terrorist?   there are varieties of phones that will give you 'run for security'. You are probably been blinded by your so called RIM. Ask people pls, and they would help you out.    
What's your point again?
Ok cheap:
we are not poor bros! We are not complaining. We can pay anything to enjoy ourselves.
please do you have any other point of using crab?

You really haven't said anything. I'll advice you too to look up how the BB network works , the security parameters (security can mean many things) and why it is suitable for business then you can make an informed opinion.

u2 1 day:
if the bb is the only secure device on earth then i guess sales figures of symbian, iphone, android is just a lie, or 80% of the world phone buying population is just not smart enough? hmmm.

Even world hackers dont use bb's cuz it just aint smart enough for them, and hackers seriously pride in their information security a lot more than you think. you need not try to console yourself by wanting to make the bb sound like a great device, its just average, and in many instances mediocre.

LOL. What do hackers want to do on a BB device? Hack with it? What is the link between a hackers work and information security through the BB network and how does the blackberry not meet up? I thought hackers used computers? BB is a business device not a hackers console.

[/quote]b needs to return to drawing board and up the ante, cuz they dont make the list.
[quote]

Lmao. What drawing board again? They do their business function EXCELLENTLY that is what was on the master plan. They can only diversify a little to broaden their horizons but I don't see them straying too far away from their business base. So if you are waiting for high end gamers hardware and the rest, you better start packing your bags and be leaving.

[quote author=frgy_ link=topic=583617.msg7626581#msg7626581 date=1296300370]@TCD
Well said , you defended your device well.
But the fact still remains that in OVERALL performance a BB is a mediocre device . It should not be called a smart phone.
And am not just saying , I own one , and I also own a S60v5 device .
The only thing RIM did ingeniously is starting the push and the "security" thingy early. We now have devices that do all that equally well and perhaps better .BB already created a status symbol though[/quote]I really don't understand you. Could you please give me a standard definition of a smart phone? Why does the bb not qualify as one? In what aspect of business function does the BB not meet up? I have stated here the BB is a Business device and deos that function PERFECTLY. Everything else na just jara.

WackyJ1:
The summary of TCD's Long winding post is that bb has security and cheap BIS.
It's not only RIM that knows the value of security, Nokia, android and iphone have as much security if not more than bb. If you remove the social networking hungry teens that use black berry because of the cheap Bis then the fan base will reduce a lot . bb is not the ultimate business phone for business people when there are nokia and others so i'm not even sure of bbs business user base.

This Is quite a pity, I really don't know where to start as per d bolded.

I think you need to look up how the Blackberry works ala the BIS, BES, the routes involved and look at it vis a vis the protocol of other phones and then u can make an informed opinion.

I just laugh at your assertion on the BB not being the ultimate business phone. I don't know about ultimate sha, coz its such an ambiguous term open to many interpretations but I DO KNOW millions of companies give out BB's to their staff including many CEO's and general business people who use it.

I think what will help you is If you look up How a blackberry, BIS n BES works then you'll understand why business people use it.

Finally, RIM had a base and where making profits way before this social networking revolution and teens started flocking to them. They have been there, that is their base. Even if they leave, they will still survive. That is why they concentrate on their base I.e business. Its called Competitive Advantage in economics which simply is focusing on where you have an expertise/ advantage and building from there.

[quote author=O.michael.O link=topic=583617.msg7626133#msg7626133 date=1296292940]who told you we symbian phone users can't download at unlimited rate for free? No even for #2.8k [/quote]Yeeee, that's sweet.

denzel2009:
TCD bro, you've got too much time on your hands. They will continue bashing BB cos in Nigeria, information security is nothing to us.

Lol. I guess you're right. What a person doesn't understand makes no sense to him. But those that need it, know its importance and worth. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

aze:
Nice business presentation from an authorised dealer. I can't waste my resources buying a Rolls Royce because of one golden ashtray in it.

If l nid to chat l better get on my Handler and Cast applications. They are better dat way with Fr33 VOIP

See what I'm saying? LOL.
So your entire use to get a bb is to chat? No wonder you are crying. Bro, you don't NEED a blackberry. Lmao

Also, pls I'm not a dealer. People have stated their views on a nokia, you didn't call them dealers. I stated mine on a bb and u label me a dealer. Is that smart?

u2 1 day:
well if you were trying to woo me to buy a bb, i certainly am not impressed, and you certainly did not do a bb justice with all that write up.

trying to sell a phone to me based on what, i can download endlessly, i used a bb storm2 for 24hrs, after subscribing for bis monthly plan, i still remember how many times the network failed to connect, and how i had to keep going back to the host routing table, over and again so that i can browse, and after a while it would just stop connecting, i could not even visit the app world.

men forget that ish jare, i still remember the hype of them slim motorola phones, it fizzled out, and so will bb, and its started already with this thread.

Lol, you certainly have an over-exaggerated opinion of yourself. You think I'm here to convince you or "impress" you? I actually don't care if you still use a talking drum to communicate or a 3310. None of my business.

Having said that, I have stated here BB's do their main jobs Excellently at a cheap monthly cost and that is why many who need that's sort of service will continue being customers. Then what did u come up with? " i still remember how many times the network failed to connect" . I no fit laugh , so bb is now your network service provider abi? Chei. Because na bb you expect it to perform miracles se? Why don't you buy a bb and wait for it to come wipe your faeces from ur anus too. RofLmao.

Blackberries are made PRIMARILY for BUSINESS. If your needs are above and beyond that, bounce.

Mafia4life:
BB users where are you all? We the symbian users dont want you to hate your fone. We just want to let you know how and why you should buy a phone. Don't just jump into an expensive piece of shyt just for buying sake. Andriod is an xpensive fone that worth its price, symbian is an average phone ( though there are some High-End symbian higher than some android or Iphone ) but for BB, that is one silly phone that don't even worth its price. Honestly, i can't pay 12K for BB Tour.
BB users, who will denial this fact below.
Low Battery in BB = No BB service, No Network, No Wifi.
Interface sucks,
Games are Fuucckked up,
Camera is very clear,
BB service is lovely ( with unlimited brandwith )
Trackpad is offensive,
Push service not good as Nokia Email Client ( No argument ).
Poor hardware features,
BB without BB service = An expensive Mp3 with GSM Network.
BB messenger not interesting as Nimbuzz ( Symbian, Android and PC version only ).
Switching on phone when battery is replaced is like booting a Pentium 2 computer of 32MB RAM loaded with Window 7 in 5GB Harddisk.
BB = Overhyped Motorola L6.
Honestly I was once a user of BB bold and BB TOUR.
It is out of experience i reviewed this.

Symbian = PalmTop
Battery Life Great.
Entertainment Great,
office use very reliable,
email push believable,
discoveries very interesting,
softwares are very much available,
Interface better than BB
Hanging problem is a major bug ( fixed when firmware is updated but not 100% solution )
Browser fully integrated like PC using Opera 10.1)
Hardware is extremely Rich. I nor fit type again.

LOL. Honestly all I can say is bro, You bought a blackberry for The wrong Reasons. It's No surprise why many Nigerians are crying. RIM's base is not to produce high-end, entertainment, high-powered hardware n sophisticated and Gamers phones. Their Mainstay is BUSINESS users. Anyone who jumps on the bandwagon not knowing what to expect is frankly a misguided individual. You looking for the blackberry to play high graphics, accelerometer Ps2 emulator games then you are a capital JOKER as you don't even know what a blackberry is for. It's just as bizarre as complaining why GM doesn't make Hummer fuel efficient as a Toyota. Is the Hummer brand designed for fuel efficiency?

Even you can't deny it, Blackberry does its job 100% well. Go to the length and breath of the world, those who still complain about the way you do but who really NEED the services blackberry provide, CAN'T still drop it, coz it does its job WELL. They might have other phones but they STILL keep their blackberries.

As for your claim Nokia email is better than the BB email, that's just untrue. The several minutes boot-up you complained about as I heard is necessary for Security, so is the so-called long bluetooth protocol of the BB. People who want to use the bb for social entertainment and the likes might find these features terrible but Business users who understand the Need for SECURITY of their data in these days of industrial espionage, hacking and spying where a stolen idea could cost u billions. Even TERRORISTS and Jihadists use blackberries. Example the Mumbai bombers used blackberries, why, because of the security. That is why countries like India and Saudi Arabia threatened to suspend Blackberry services. That's how secure RIM servers are.

Also, the Low battery =No network Function can be disabled. It's just a power saving mechanism. You can disable it in the settings if you wish.

Till tomorrow, RIM will continue making sales. The bb has always been popular in the business world. In fact the reason why it has become a Fad amongst the rest is because of the relatively Cheap BIS internet fee which in recent times attracted many social-networking hungry teenagers and youths. They all jumped on the wagon expecting the bb to perform miracles. RIM has even tried sef to accomodate them by bringing out some models with better entertainment features but frankly I don't see them trying too hard. They'll rather concentrate on their base which might be useless to you but GOLD to others (the core customers)who need that service. Isn't that the beauty of capitalism, there is freedom of choice, you people should try and go to whatever platform suits your needs.

I enjoy my bb coz it does what it does very well. The cheap BIS is a killer. I use a nokia too but I can't get Unlimited internet at 2.8K on a nokia. Daily I download in excess of 600MB. The BB has no Radio but I was able to solve that with an internet radio app where I stream stations from around the world including Nigeria. I know a guy here who downloads in Gigabytes everyday on 3G. I saw him download 15GB in one week and I no fit shout. To do that 15GB on a nokia or Iphone will cost u about 20K. I tether to my laptop and browse as much as I want all for 2.8-3K. And The prices will Surely drop further.

So you guys can make noise on this thread till 100 pages it does not matter what matters at the end of the day is simple economics. BIS rates will continue to DROP which means CHEAPER internet connection fee. People love the idea of CHEAP so it's inevitable more people will buy the blackberries to connect. The GSM Networks too love the BB because of its bandwidth saving capacity so they will continue pushing it out there. Companies/ coporations love the BB and distribute it to their staff coz it does a job for them excellently. More money for RIM, More money for the Networks, better value for the consumers (including companies) who really need the BB services, the only wailers and moaners are those who don't need the bb services but just bought one to feel among.

More bb's are going to Hit the streets soon. You guys should be prepared to shout more.

What does the "in play" mean?

Can anyone pls educate me on who the delegates are? How are delegates selected?