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[quote author=Michael547 post=131879877]
If you say Jesus words in Luke 13:28 is not a story or parable, then what is it?

Ok in that verse, Jesus Christ was talking about a future event so it is a prophecy.

Since you have no evidence that the story of Lazarus and the rich man is not a true life story, did the story happen after Jesus was resurrected or before?
I don't know, but how does that relate to Luke 13.28

Michael547:
😂....Oga tell me na....you said Luke 13:28 is not a story or parable.
What is your evidence to show that the Rich man and Lazarus story did not happen?

You realize that you have asked a million questions, I have answered all but you seen keen at not allowing me to ask any. Is someone scared of the truth here?

Michael547:
😂....Oga tell me na....you said Luke 13:28 is not a story or parable.
What is your evidence to show that the Rich man and Lazarus story did not happen?

You are right, I have no evidence that the rich man and Lazarus is a parable.
Now can I ask you my own questions please.
Or are you still trying to say something?

Michael547:
Ok....so how do we categories Jesus words in Luke 13:28?

First do you now know it is not a parable? Let's start from there.
Next how do you mean categories. Please explain better so I can answer your question.
Let's categories it as not a parable.
Also, are you not yet ready for my questions yet.

Michael547:
😂😂😂....so Jesus used only stories as parables? Wow😂

Oga parables mean stories. It's simple English. Do you expect me to teach you all things?
Ignorance and pride is the worst combination. At least, you could have research the meaning of a parable

Michael547:
😂😂😂 so if the story of the rich man and Lazarus was a parable, why is Jesus words in Luke 13:28 not also a parable?

Foolish question again.
A parable is simple story used to illustrate a moral.
Hope you know the meaning of a story or should I teach you the meaning also?
Is Luke 13.28 a story? Please let's be using our head here.

Michael547:
Good...... if Abraham Jacob and Isaac went to heaven when Jesus was resurrected with the saints according to you, when did the story of the rich man and Lazarus happen? Was it before Jesus was resurrected or after?

Oga, I never said Abraham Jacob and Isaac went to heaven when Jesus was resurrected with the saints.
Please go back and read what I wrote don't misquote me.
I said I don't know when they went to heaven. And the story of the rich man was a parable. It most likely did not happen.

Michael547:
Oga please interprete Luke 13:28 and tell us when Abraham, Isaac and Jacob went to heaven and also connect it with the time that the story of Lazarus, the rich man and Abraham happened.

1. The verse has zero connection with
Lazarus both are talking about totally different things
2 Your question of when Abraham, Isaac and Jacob went to heaven is quite foolish because the bible never gave out the dates.

3. The interpretation of Luke 13.28
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
The wicked would weep when they see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the Prophets in the kingdom of God.
Now can I ask my own questions?

Michael547:
Oga this is not a distraction......you are trying to run away with an interpretation of John 3:3 and Luke 13:28 which directly connects to the questions I'm asking you.

Are you asking about the interpretation of the above verses or about where Abraham was before entering the kingdom of God? The above verses have nothing to do with your question.
Please if you don't understand the verses above ask me but don't ask what is not contained in those verses.
Now can I ask my questions

Michael547:
😂😂😂.....so you don't actually know where people who are born again go when they die? Ok oo.....what about the story of the rich man and Lazarus and Abraham, was it a real life story or not?

Again you are looking for distractions. If the topic was where people go when they die then I will understand but for now let's return to the topic and the revealed word.
We would talk about life and death at another time.
So please can I ask my questions now?

Michael547:
Lol....for the fact that you don't know where they were when they died, makes your interpretation of John 3:3 and Luke 13:28 to be false.

That's a stupid thing to say.
I only know what has been revealed and John 3.3 and Luke 13.28 did not reveal their address at that time.
Can we stick to the revealed word of God please. Remember, don't add or subtract.
Now can I ask you my questions sir.

Michael547:
Oga where were they na....that question relates to the topic because you quoted verses that prompted that question. So please answer

I don't know where the were. There address is not revealed in the bible now can we focus on what has been revealed?
Now that I have answered you, can I ask my questions

Michael547:
So where was Abraham and Moses and the rest of the prophets when they died before Jesus came?

That's not the scope of this topic. Where were the saints in Matthew 27:52-53 when they died before Jesus resurrected. That is a very interesting discussion but not the topic for today, let's not get distracted. Now can I ask my questions please.
I don't even care where they were because it's not important all that is important is where the ended up.

Michael547:
If faithful men of God were born again and were in heaven with Jesus when they died, please explain Jesus words In John 3:13.

I don't understand your question. The bible never gave a timeline for them to be in heaven. Please how is your question relevant.
Remember, it was only after the resurrection of Christ that the saints rose from their grave.
So Gods timetable isn't the same as your. How does your question relate to the topic please.
You asked for evidence and I have given it to you or do you doubt Jesus Christ?
The Lord never said a man with enter the kingdom of God the moment he dies. God uses his time not yours.
Now can I ask my own questions or is it only you that gets to ask questions?
Matthew 27:52-53
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Michael547:
The funny thing Is that you've not answered the most important question which is providing a version that contradicts the ones I showed you. If you had provided it, I would have been willing to continue the discussion. You said four translations of the bible were fake because they did not fit your doctrine. Please also learn to give answers to our questions and stop pretending to agree to disagree. Kindly show us evidence why faithful men of old before christ were Christians.

Oga I answered all your questions and you know that. I told you that I agree with your Moses mediator doctrine so how does that not answer your question.
No need for pretence, it's clear that you are not comfortable with.
As for evidence that men of old were Christians, Jesus Christ already provided you with that.
John 3.3 and Luke 13.28
That is the evidence provided by the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Let's see if you believe him or if you will continue to argue against him and his evidence.

achorladey:
You have to agree that you lied so that he has evidence indeed you are false Christians

This is what they will not readily accept

To me, it doesn't matter. It's not like others on the thread are that foolish. Everyone can see who is running away from questions. Funny enough, it's even their thread.

achorladey:
You will only get questions in response rather than answers. That's the person that is afraid to fail when questioned

Any religion that is afraid of answering questions has k-leg.
You can't start a topic and when it's time for questions, you run away.

bigpicture001:
ECOWAS shld leave them alone..wen they are done with Russia they will seek socialisation....all her citizens shld b barred from ECOWAS states

Sometimes, you guys offer very stupid ideas. You want to ban their citizens from your country because they are no longer part of your union. Why didn't the EU ban all British citizens after Brexit? At least, ask yourself, how would such actions benefit the Ecowas? Do you know how many Nigerians in border communities depend on Niger for the business? How would your plan make 9ja a better place?

Michael547:
I would not answer your questions....if you agree that faithful servants of old were not required to have faith in Jesus and that Moses was the mediator of the law covenant according to Galatians 3:19, then you would know why they were not Christians.

Oga, we understand why you can't answer my questions. No problem. It was fun talking with you.
For others on the thread, This is why it is good to test your beliefs on a thread like this. You get to learn things even your pastors don't know.
Some of our brothers started a thread but with time, they saw that their doctrine had a lot of unanswered questions.
I encourage everyone to read the bible for himself and not depend on the words of their pastors.
Also, there is nothing wrong with questioning your pastors. They may not even know more than you do.
Peace.

Michael547:
Oga rest since you are on my side now.

No, Oga. it's time to go back to the main topic. Do you mind answering a few questions? I will understand if you are not comfortable answering my questions.

[quote author=mushroomFarm post=131873555]
A goat that prefers to score and his team lose the match than for them to win without him registering a goal.
He is a goat no doubt but zero of a team player more focused on personal stats.
This is why we love Messi. Team player, highest goal s and assists stat in the world today, a world cup winner, most d'ors most golden boots and the list goes on.

For people who do not know, or they just love to join the bad wagons by always shouting 'rigged' balon d'or is by votes from experts, top journalists, national teams and football captains. The voting results are always released.
So how can you open your dirty mouth and say it is rigged when people like Pep, Ferguson, Klopp, Mbappe, Neymar, Top managers from EPL, top journalists etc voted for Messi?
Even your stats below prove how wrong you are. Ronaldo has more assists than Xavi and Iniesta. He has more assists than Cesc Fàbregas so calling him zero of a team player more focused on personal stats is very unfair and disrespectful. If your point is that Messi has more assists, no one would argue with you but you chose to be a bit malicious. Not nice. Ronaldo's assist figure alone is legendary.

Michael547:
You are funny....were you not in effect calling the translators of the translations I showed you liars? So why are you paranoid if I say you should admit that you lied against them?

I taught you the meaning of lies but it seems you can't learn. You won me over to your side but you still seem bitter even when I agreed with you. Something must be very wrong somewhere.

achorladey:
The point will make Michael547 remove t from tctrills

It seems Mr Michael547 is requesting an apology letter for the crime of agreeing with him. First, he asked that I declare that I am a liar. Now he wants me to continue repeating the same thing again and again. Learning to move on is actually a skill not many possess.

Michael547:
Ok go and give an affirmative answer to my question in my post.

I keep telling you that I have already.

Michael547:
Oga I want your affirmative answer to my question so that I can use it for my future argument with you.

I just told you that I have given you answers in previous posts. Have you not read them? I really need you to read when I post. I know you feel the importance of sending out your messages but its also wise if you spend some time reading when I reply.

Biodun556:
Top 50 companies in lagos and their owners


Most companies in lagos are owned by Yorubas

Sir are these companies based on their market capitalization, and revenue or is this your feeling? I am seeing a company like Mama Cass with just 10 outlets but I can't see Air Peace, Capital Oil, Coscharis or SEPLAT

Michael547:
Oga give your affirmative answer. Is Moses the mediator of the old covenant between God and the isrealites according to Galatians 3:19? Yes or no?

If you have been reading, what I posted you would have seen my answer, I don't need to repeat myself. Please take your time, read my post since yesterday night, and try not to forget this time around so we don't waste time on what we have already concluded.
Let us give ourselves that respect by paying attention to the other person's posts so we don't keep asking answered questions.

Michael547:
Is Moses the mediator of the old covenant? Yes or no?

It's clear you have not been reading anything I write. Please go back and read my posts from last night, I have already answered this question. Pay attention please.
Should we move forward or should we keep answering the same questions?

Michael547:
Oh so do you agree that Moses is the mediator of the old covenant in Galatians 3:19 since you don't have an intent to deceive? Do you also agree that those translations I show you were correct in Galatians 3:19?
Your answers please.

I just said you are correct. So we can't keep beating a dead horse. Do you want to move on or are you satisfied with winning the mediator argument?

Michael547:
Oga have you been lying in your interpretation of Galatians 3:19. Yes or no?

Meaning of a lie
an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive.
By the definition of a lie, I was not lying. But you were right.
Please learn the meaning of words before using them.

Michael547:
Oga have you been lying in your interpretation of Galatians 3:19. Yes or no?

No but I agree I was wrong. Should we go on or not.
It's one thing to be wrong and it's a different thing to be dishonest.
I understand you may not understand the difference.
When you fail a question in an exam, you are not lying, you are wrong.
A lying is intentionally trying to misrepresent the truth.
Now that I have explained to you, are you willing to continue or not.

Michael547:
Oga do you agreed that you lied.....yes or no? After you've been saying that the translations I gave you were fake without evidence, you think I would just move on like that? No Oga. We can't have a conversation like that.

Are you s child or a sore winner. You changed my mind. I learnt form you. Please let's know you you can't move on with your life.
Life no hard like that. But if you are scare to go on, I perfectly understand and other people on the thread will understand.