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MightyNigerian:
Yes, overadmission mainly affect medical courses. I have dropped proofs in this thread for Medicine & Dentistry before. UNN Overadmission doesn't just affect Medicine, but Radiography, Nursing, MLS etc. Medicine overadmission dey learn work where MLS dey
Go to UNEC and you'll be amazed by the number of students in each class.
Coz I said the truth, it's now a venom. Even nursing is affected by overadmission else the number won't be up to that but you aren't ready for the discussion

It'll have make a little sense if it's a UNEC student that's countering my claims but no, just a random person who have no idea how UNEC med Schs run and have never been in any SE med sch before.

So the SE decides to over admit for medicine and not nursing. Those that even make sense to you?
These institutions would be making millions of they over admit nurses but according to you, they are ok with the medicine money
If this is honestly your thinking process then no problem.

MightyNigerian:
Alright, run along.
A tribalist, cap. Your people tribalism worse.

If after all those evidences dropped you still don't believe, then sentiment has beclouded your reasoning. You were dragging the quota own even after I dropped proof until someone pasted another one from MDCN portal before you believe. You're the biggest tribalist here.

What am I gaining from Fabricating here.

Just so you know, ain't Yoruba. I'm Edo and I entered UNN in 2016 for medicine before I failed out courtesy of your ppl corruption and overadmission. I shared my set admission list and other proofs but you still dey cap because of sentiments. Picking that sch is a decision I regret till date and many other ppl (Igbos and other tribes) share the same sentiment.

I was indulging you honorably cause I think say you get sense I no know say na waste of effort coz sentiment has blocked you from thinking straight

Hope you have seen the nursing admissions. The SW leads. This alone prove you wrong. Unless over admitting only affects medical courses and there is no reason to believe it does.
Next time do more research before coming out to spill your venom. Stop the hate and tribalism.

Aussie2doc:
I hate myself for doing this. I am not suppose to contribute to this meaningless argument again. But I will do it one more time….


1) MDCN quota is not an annual event . It remains like that for decades. They give the schools the quota during accreditation of the medical school so it not an annual event. They rarely review it during re-accreditation and most times, the facilities would be worn out and they may even reduce the quota or temporarily withdraw the accreditation.

2) What is the meaning or basis for this argument? The thread shows intake by geopolitical region. You guys started saying it means SE is now better educated to get more admission. Based on the quota, it is obvious they are just filling up spaces they don’t have. A fraud!!!

The only way the SE can claim they are better than other regions is to increase the number of slots or quotas for their medical schools. If you have quotas for 1000 and SW has quota for 500, that is the only time you can say you are better.

If SW has quota for 1000 and you have quota for 800 then you go ahead to admit 1500 and start shouting that you are better, it shows you are very ignorant and foolish. You are filling up spaces you don’t have with fraud and still exposing your fraud to others.

You don’t need any other evidence. Only the quota is enough. Do you have more quotas than the SW? No! Where then did you get the spaces you are filling up that you are bragging about?

Hope you have seen the nursing admissions. The SW leads. This alone prove you wrong. Unless over admitting only affects medical courses and there is no reason to believe it does.

kingthreat:
I am and will do. Thanks for the advice I already know.
But here is simply a case of someone calling his son a hotelier to catch clout.

That's a very smart move. The hotel just got free publicity and he gets to introduce his son to the family business at the same time. That's killing 2 birds with One stone.

kingthreat:
When money gets to the wrong hands.
Reminds me of Idi Amin who made his pre-teen son general in the army all because he happened to be president of a country.
Nigeria is a country where slaves ride on horses.

If you like, when you start making money, don't invest for your kids. For centuries, wise men have introduced their kids to the family business as early as possible. Learn from this.

MightyNigerian:
Alright, run along.
A tribalist, cap. Your people tribalism worse.

If after all those evidences dropped you still don't believe, then sentiment has beclouded your reasoning. You were dragging the quota own even after I dropped proof until someone pasted another one from MDCN portal before you believe. You're the biggest tribalist here.

What am I gaining from Fabricating here.

Just so you know, ain't Yoruba. I'm Edo and I entered UNN in 2016 for medicine before I failed out courtesy of your ppl corruption and overadmission. I shared my set admission list and other proofs but you still dey cap because of sentiments. Picking that sch is a decision I regret till date and many other ppl (Igbos and other tribes) share the same sentiment.

I was indulging you honorably cause I think say you get sense I no know say na waste of effort coz sentiment has blocked you from thinking straight

I never said you are Yoruba and it doesn't even matter.
Again you do what ever Nairaland tribalist does when confronted. You accuse my people of more tribalism. That's your excuse for your actions.
You are not showing any responsibility in blaming others for your tribalism.
Have a great day.
You even blame you failure on other people. You are the worst kind of failure before you never learn, you rather blame others.

Aussie2doc:
I hate myself for doing this. I am not suppose to contribute to this meaningless argument again. But I will do it one more time….


1) MDCN quota is not an annual event . It remains like that for decades. They give the schools the quota during accreditation of the medical school so it not an annual event. They rarely review it during re-accreditation and most times, the facilities would be worn out and they may even reduce the quota or temporarily withdraw the accreditation.

2) What is the meaning or basis for this argument? The thread shows intake by geopolitical region. You guys started saying it means SE is now better educated to get more admission. Based on the quota, it is obvious they are just filling up spaces they don’t have. A fraud!!!

The only way the SE can claim they are better than other regions is to increase the number of slots or quotas for their medical schools. If you have quotas for 1000 and SW has quota for 500, that is the only time you can say you are better.

If SW has quota for 1000 and you have quota for 800 then you go ahead to admit 1500 and start shouting that you are better, it shows you are very ignorant and foolish. You are filling up spaces you don’t have with fraud and still exposing your fraud to others.

You don’t need any other evidence. Only the quota is enough. Do you have more quotas than the SW? No! Where then did you get the spaces you are filling up that you are bragging about?

Your arguments remain meaningless if you don't present any evidence.
You have not been able to show a single evidence of over admitting in SE schools.
For example, show the over admitting data of Unizik.
I am not sure you know the meaning of evidence and you are right to hate yourself for that.

MightyNigerian:
Alright, run along.

If after all those links to admission lists that I shared you're still saying otherwise, I'm sorry I have to move on.

I've seen so many ppl tackle you on this thread even with proofs but you can choose to believe anything you want.

One thing I'm sure of I said what I know and prove with proofs that I have.
I have no doubt that you're from SE and is sentimentally trying to play safe

What you are doing is wicked and not very wise.
You came here without a single evidence to say things you don't know.
I have giving you a floor to make your case instead of accusing you of dishonesty.
You produced files that did not show evidence of anything and your best argument was that if UNN did it, then every school in the SE must be doing it.
You have clearly shown that you are a tribalist and someone who speaks without evidence.
Imagine we catch a Yoruba man stealing then I say that because of this, all Yorubas are thieves, what would you think of me.
Again you are uncomfortable in presenting the admission records of all Nigerian universities for reasons best known to you.
You are not a very credible person and you are clearly a tribalist.

MightyNigerian:
Ah ah, this Schs don't release admission lists like UNN. You have to get the class list to know.

Go to ABSU and see the number of medical students in each class. You'll be shocked at the numbers compare to quota. They don't do it in 1 year, it happens in multiple years. Any year class list you get will confirm it. I shared UNN own because I was there.
Other SE schs own worse pass UNN.
Med students sabi these things na

In short, you are saying that you don't have any evidence but we should just take your words for it?
Don't you see that it would be a problem?
Imagine I am arguing with someone from another school in the SE about their over admitting and I say someone in Nairaland said you guys are into over admitting, wouldn't I look like a fool?

MightyNigerian:
Now you agree that evidence dey
Alright, if you have anyone in the medical field that sch in SE ask them. They'll let you know.

It's not on me to ask anyone. It's on you to show your credibility.
Coming online to says things you know nothing about is not cool.
You are educated and you know the importance of having evidence before speaking.

MightyNigerian:
Not in the admission field like how

Do I need to be in the admission field to know that people bought their way in. Can you explain how a sch of 100 quota will admit 400

Good, the argument of being in the medical field does not count.
Now which school had 100 quota and admitted 400? Which year did this happen? Was it in 2022?
You accused the entire SE so do you have the records of other schools?
These are simple questions don't you think?

MightyNigerian:
Somebody already shared the screenshot of the quota from MDCN portal which you've confirmed but sentiment is beclouding your reasoning here.
Let's stop this back & forth thing.

The screen shot didn't indicate any given year.
Again, the screenshot was only the first step in producing evidence and I applaud it.
But many things are still lacking.
1. What year does that screenshot cover?
2. Which schools exceeded their quotas for that year?
Do this, showing the admissions of each school then we can know what region is into over admission.
It's too simple and we don't need to be arguing.

MightyNigerian:
I'm sorry but I don't think you're in the medical field or go to med sch before.
It's a known fact that SE overadmit a lot even among medical students in other regions.

If they drag this thing for too long on places like Twitter, it'll make MDCN & NUC put touch light on them and sanction them. That's why most med students avoided that stats on Twitter. Na people wey never dey the system dey talk wetin dey no know.

That's why Number inducted should be used and not Number admitted because induction is a bit regulated. But even that Induction sef we sabi how dem dey run am.
Too many illegal stuffs dey go on

That I am not in the medical field is the more reason you need to present evidence.
Again, you are not in the admissions field.

MightyNigerian:
Alright I'll modify this post with UI, OAU, UNILAG admission lists.

But you can make the work easier by bringing proof of overadmission in other Geopolitical zones. I throw it to you that you won't find especially in SW.
Even some of my colleagues at UNN then used to lament and wish they sch at SW. The system there is so merit based and strict.
To enter SW Med Sch dey very hard but if you enter you're sure of graduating/inducting unlike SE Med Schs where they overadmit

First, you are the accusers so it's on you to present evidence against the SE and not just against one school.
Secondly your evidence must be for the said years 2022 to make it credible.
Then you must show evidence that the schools given quota was a certain number before presenting evidence to show how much the number was exceeded by.
If you do this, you would have credibility but for now, you don't.

MightyNigerian:
Is it that you didn't grab it or you're sentimentally shying away from fact. Make we no allow sentiment becloud our reasoning.

I told you
No admitted (medicine) = 300+
Quota as at admission (medicine)= 150

No admitted (Dentistry) = 70+
Quota as at admission (Dentistry) = 15

I shared the link to all the multiple lists showing all the admitted numbers and I was even telling you I know all these for a fact because I was in the system.
Everybody know that backdoor admission lists/numbers for UNN pass merit lists and you can see the proof from the lists I shared. Merit is way below supplementary lists which connect/highest bidder get.

Medicine own even better. Go to MLS, Radiography at the same sch and see 400 in 1 class for small quota wey no reach other schs quota. The admission lists dey as well

You told me you many things I don't have to believe your words.
You have to present the quotas for each school and show which school exceeded it's quota.
I don't know you and I don't need to believe you.
In fact, I would be foolish to accept your words without evidence.

Aussie2doc:
Who cares with your childish argument? I am a doctor trained in a Nigerian school. I know exactly what I am talking about. The bottom line is that having more people admitted is not an evidence of better education.
It is just an evidence of fraud.

Every medical school in the country can easily fill up their quota

Now you are being the child here. Being a doctor doesn't mean you know anything about admissions.
If you said you were a university administrator that would even give your more authority.
Finally all you need to is to present the evidence and stop the argument.
Your point is that because you are a doctor, everything you say about over admitting should be taken as facts but that's not how life works
If you were talking about malaria or cancer then you have the authority but admissions isn't your field. You need to present better evidence and stop the childish tantrums.

MightyNigerian:
Other schs especially SW no dey overadmit like SE.
In fact that's why many people prefer SW Med Sch. We have NIMSA where we connect with friends from other schs and we see success cards that contain the names of all medical students writing a particular MB. Some schools don't even admit up to quota.
ABU, UI both have exact medicine quota like UNN but they've never overadmit like UNN.
This overadmission is very peculiar to SE

Please present the admissions list of the SW schools so we could believe you.
You said you were all about evidence remember?

Aussie2doc:
you guys like to argue unnecessarily. No school has admission quota of more than 200 for medicine in Nigeria. Check the admission quota on MDCN website. Check the screenshot below.

Now you are presenting better evidence. You should present this for all the medical courses and indicate the year. Then you can say you have evidence.
Do you understand?
You still have some ways to go before you say that you have presented evidence.
Finally, after presenting evidence against UNN, you should show the admissions lists of other schools in the SE and SS to prove that other schools are not involved in the practice.

MightyNigerian:
Ah ah, what I presented is records of admission and it shows overadmission. What else do you want.
I said what I know. There's no sch in SE that's as good and strict as UNN. Go to IMSU, ABSU, EBSU, ESUT etc and go and see the number of medical students admitted. UNN dey learn work

Kindly explain how the records you presented shows over admission.
You are saying so many things but showing very little evidence.
The records you presented did not indicate that UNN exceeded their quota. All you presented was list of admitted students, nothing more.
Present evidence of over admission in all the schools you listed please.

MightyNigerian:
Lol
2016 is 022 set. That's how it's called in UNN. They call them by graduation year
I just presented well analyzed evidence with link to confirm but you're saying another thing.
Are you expecting me to show you class list instead or what.
2017 are over 400 in the same sch
2018 over 400 etc

Yeah, that's for UNN and it's the most strict & best sch in the whole of SE. Other schs especially State Uni do worse. You dey there dey talk another thing. What do you expect me to show.

I even added the admission quota for UNN as at then (150) but you want dey shift goal post say you no see. Abeggi, let's not allow sentiment becloud our sense of reasoning. These things are verifiable facts.

I no dey follow unaa do Yourba vs Igbo stuff but I go drag the sch because the system (overadmission) in that sch cost me a lot. I'll reapply to another med sch but definitely not SE because UNN is the fairest in SE yet I'm not impressed.
One person come dey compare overbloated numbers due to illegal admission to schs in other regions .

Compare induction numbers not admitted numbers. Admissions wey dem dey dash

You didn't even present evidence of over admitting in UNN. What your presented are records of admissions. Nothing more.

Now how do you know that UNN is more strict than ever other school in the SE? You seem to be assuming so many things.
UNN has been involved with over admitting in the past. Unizik for example hasn't been involved in such so assuming that UNN is strict and Unizik isn't is way to shallow. The evidence do not support that.

MightyNigerian:
If you want 2022 admission alone, I can't get that because the sch doesn't release lists again. I think it just reflects on the portal.

Which is too easy to do more overadmission.

It's seems you don't have good evidence to support your theory.
Do you have evidence from other schools in the SE?
Do you have the data from SW schools?
I would love to see more evidence from you

MightyNigerian:
Sure
UNN 2016 (022) set
Merit/primary list. Medicine 95, Dentistry 28

https://www.unn.edu.ng/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-2017-PRIMARY-ADMISSION-LIST-FOR-PUBLICATION.pdf

UNN 2016 (022) set
Supplementary list II medicine 159, Dentistry 30 both more than merit list

https://www.unn.edu.ng/20162017-supplementary-admission-list-ii/

same UNN 2016 (022) now at 200L joined by DE
Merit list for DE medicine 7, Dentistry 3
https://www.unn.edu.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017-2018-SUPPLEMENTARY-DIRECT-ENTRY-ADMISSION-LIST.docx.pdf

Same UNN 2016 (022)now at 200L joined by supplementary DE list
Medicine 21, Dentistry 3

https://www.unn.edu.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2017-2018-SUPPLEMENTARY-DIRECT-ENTRY-ADMISSION-LIST.pdf

Total admitted for 2016 (022) set plus change of course at 200L into Medicine and Dentistry that has no list
Medicine = 300+
Dentistry = 70+

Quota at admission time 2016 as seen on MDCN portal
Medicine= 150
Dentistry = 15

The funny thing is the number on backdoor supplementary lists is more than merit/primary list and is usually in multiples of quota
On the contrary, UI, OAU & UNILAG admitted below/just above (maximum of extra 10) above quota when you combine all their lists especially for UI that will never admit up to quota number. UI has a higher quota (180) than UNN (150) as at then, 2016 as seen on MDCN portal yet admitted less.

I'll bring other years with analysis like this for 2017, 2018, 2019 etc but it'll take time.

N.B: Years that follow 2016 had it worse than 2016 set until JAMB did their work for the 1st time in 2019 admissions & moved some illegally admitted students to other departments. That reduced it in subsequent years I think for Dentistry but not medicine.
Heard Dentistry took it up with the sch to avoid losing accreditation to make sch stop illegal admissions into dpt plus they're already having quota crises.
Medicine reduced but continue like business as usual

Do you realize that you have not presented any evidence of wrong doing?
Secondly, you have not shown any evidence of over admitting. The sites you posted do not show admission quotas.
Again you have shown only one school in only one year. Note the above stats was for 2022 but yours was for 2016.
Do you have any evidence that UNN admitted more students than those on the official lists in the said years?

MightyNigerian:
LMAO
I mean I was in med sch at UNN and I saw how the admissions went. We network with friends in other med sch outside SE and I know the difference.
Do I have data, yes.
I have more than enough verifiable proof to show the overadmission in SE Schs.

Not just Medicine but all medical courses.
It's a known fact by any medical student of UNN except person wan do cover up here. But ee no go work because the admission lists are online

Ok present your evidence please.
So in the year you were in UNN, give us data of the over admitting in all SE universities.
And then compare that with your Data on the over admitting in SW universities.
It's time to show your evidence and silence your critic.
Present your data sir.

esemes256:
He will feed better if he put a little effort to raise goats, sheep or even cattle. Leave wildlife alone!

People will think you are raising goats, sheep and cattle. They wouldn't know that your goat farm in on Nairaland.

MightyNigerian:
You don't get it. I was in the system and I know how it works. No region in Nigeria overadmit like SE. It was bad to the extent that JAMB had to step in at a point (2019) and rejected many illegal admissions by moving them to another dept.
I know for a fact that apart from northerners studying medicine in the North, Yourbas are the 2nd highest in the Northern med sch. You can confirm that on admission lists and exams success cards posted by your friends in NIMSA. You no dey the system, you dey misyarn.
Ask around. Everybody knows SE med sch admit way beyond quota.

Number inducted should be used not number admitted because that's what MDCN regulate. They don't control admission

The Igbos travel and I respect that. They're smart as well but that data is a misrepresentation.
PS: ain't Igbo or Yourba, I'm from Edo state and I sch in UNN.

When you say you were in the system what do you mean?
Were you in charge of admissions in any university?
How many universities do you have the data or stats on their over admitting?
Do you have info for the particular year in the above stats?
Do your have any data on the over admitting from other zones?
Please explain.

Teenaira:
I have never seen people who are so tribal and nepotic as the igbos but they are usually very fast in accusing other people of this same vices. We all know the truth of these stories, let’s move forward together and forget about the mistakes our elders did during their era after all they all contributed immensely to the development of the country within there capacity. We will also make our own mistakes now and our younger ones will have to correct them in other to move the country forward.

You are both a tribalist and a hypocrite. You start your post with a tribal insult then you talk about moving forward together and forgetting the mistake of the elders.
You just committed the mistake of the elders in your very first statement.
Clearly, you are unserious.

tenpipsperday:
He did but he has poor comprehension skills.

He is a tout at a bus stop, I know him one on one.

Lol. Many people will just run with the headlines

God1000:
Lol, I did man

Then you should know that Trump supports the war. He even urged Israel to continue. His only problem is with the publicity of the bombing campaign.
But then, even if everyone stops supporting Israel, they should still continue to defend themselves.

God1000:
Hmm, Even Trump too



Almost every Israeli staunch ally in the west is appalled by the horrific and gory images of this war, except Nigerian supporters


Let's see if they will now turn against their hero and savior trump

You clearly did not read the article.

AkataWoman:
Please post those stats because I’m not familiar with them.

I am familiar with the US Census stat that shows 80% of black Americans are middle class and higher socioeconomically. I’m also aware that black American women are the most educated group in America.

I’m also very well aware of the failings of Nigerians. I don’t think a people that shit outdoors, lack plumbing and electricity should spend so much time obsessing over black Americans—a group that’s not thinking about you. That’s probably why we’re a whole lot better off than you guys AND every other black group in the world.

Please go to the Romance forum and take a look at that thread. It’s ridiculous.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/205106/number-of-black-families-with-a-female-householder-in-the-us/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/424141/prevalence-rate-of-violent-crime-in-the-us-by-ethnicity/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7436774/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/200476/us-poverty-rate-by-ethnic-group/
I guess these help.

madridguy:


Israeli terrorists keep bombing hospitals, schools, grave yards yet they have not been able to rescue one of their citizens with the Hamas.

Shame on them.

Fake news. 3 hostages have been rescued and thousands of your Hamas bros are now enjoying their virgins all thanks to Israel.

NuclearWinter:
People that made you believe in the absurdity of being a Jew will make you support their artrocities

Can you provide one single shred of proof that you are Jews ?

But you believe in such absurdity and are willing to support the ongoing genocide committed by your Jewish masters because in your deluded state you are also Jews and so must support every rubbish your slave masters commit.

Even your false claims to Jewry is one where you accept a lowered status compared to those fake Jews.

The deluded Envagelical Christian who blindly supports Jews is even better than you fools as those one are basing their support for Jews because of their warped understanding of scripture. But you guys are no longer Christian and also admit to being a lesser form of fake Jews with the mentality that your white skinned Jews are superior than you lot.

Your support for Pissrael is based on your inferiority complex and servitude to fake Jews which makes your blind form of support the most stupid reason .

KYS already.

Oga honestly, you need help. What does the nonsense conspiracy theory you were trying to sell have to do with any of these things you wrote above.
You are clearly not very stable and not bright at all.