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[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=122594658]All humans are God's enemies due to Adamic sin but God used His power to look into the attributes of this sinful fetus to know whether they will be faithful or not. loool
If this the the case, then there is no need to allow the evil ones to be born. Then man's entire existence becomes a joke.
So according to JW, God chooses the good people from the womb.. very funny.
Then why do you guys still go out to preach since the faithful fetus are chosen in the womb. Did you read your answer before posting?

MaxInDHouse:
You just want to argue blindly!

Noah's children were saved in the Ark because their father acted with faith and they were with him, Lot's children were saved for the same reason, Israelite's firstborn were saved in Egypt for the same reason.
So there's no need arguing with you because you have gotten the point.
Just know that anyday anytime and anywhere you find JWs we know our own God and we can tell you all you need to learn about Him if you humbly make yourself teachable like little children and you can escape His impending burning anger if you're willing to be saved!

Farewell!

John the Baptist, Jacob, Samuel, and Jeremiah were all chosen and called by God right from the womb. How come God called his unrepentant enemies.
Or did they also repent and accept God in the womb?
Sometimes you need to question your church leaders. Don't just swallow the poison they feed you with.

Acidosis:
Double tragedy for the citizens. Meanwhile, we still have another subsidy to contend with - FX Subsidy.

In 2022, the federal government spent around N3 trillion on Forex Subsidy. That is how they keep the official Naira-Dollar rate at 450+ so that those around them and affluent elites like Dangote can continue to buy cheap dollars while the typical impoverished commoner monitors Aboki FX and roadside aboki rates (720-750).

Its just evil

koladebrainiac:
Government will not be sending subsidy money in Dollar to buy fuel

No it's the very same thing. If subsidy is removed, then the citizens would be the ones paying for fuel.
It doesn't matter if the money is coming for gov or the citizens, it would still be exchanged to dollars as long as we import petrol.

koladebrainiac:
there will be less demand on dollars so DOLLAR RATE WILL be LOWER

Why would there be less demand for the dollar? As long as we are still importing fuel, the demand would always be there subsidy or not.

Difrent:
We will adjust with time. One thing you can never take away from Nigerians is resilience.
All those advanced countries our people rush to have dumped petrol subsidy decades ago...

Most advanced countries have so many things subsidized for their citizens, from health to education even to paying unemployment benefits.

Janosky:
"For the kingdom belongs to such (meek , teachable, obedient people) as these (like these children)"

Jesus Christ used a figure of speech (simile) to help his followers/ listeners understand what it takes to enter the kingdom of God.

The disciples have to be meek, teachable, forgiving , obedient etc) as children.
Jesus Christ compared meek, teachable, forgiving & obedient people to children.
Only Jehovah's servants (Noah, Moses, Jesus for example) would have such qualities,don't you think so?

Let me further educate you on the use of simile.
Jesus Christ said be ye perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
The word 'as' shows that there is a comparison and the quality here is perfection.
So clearly God is perfect.
The same goes when Christ says
Luke 18:17
“Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”
He is simply telling you that little children will receive the kingdom of God and you need to receive it like them in other to enter it.
When you use simile, there should be two elements and you are qualifying them with a quality that one of them is known to have.
If you doubt me ask anyone who studied English language.

MaxInDHouse:
You just want to argue blindly!

Noah's children were saved in the Ark because their father acted with faith and they were with him, Lot's children were saved for the same reason, Israelite's firstborn were saved in Egypt for the same reason.
So there's no need arguing with you because you have gotten the point.
Just know that anyday anytime and anywhere you find JWs we know our own God and we can tell you all you need to learn about Him if you humbly make yourself teachable like little children and you can escape His impending burning anger if you're willing to be saved!

Farewell!

Oga, did Noah's children live forever. Did they not finally die like everyone else.

I gave you loads of scriptures teaching you what Christ said about children but you some how choose to stick to your governing body.

Oga you really need to choose between the words of Christ and a body of men.

The other day, you said Christ is the word of God so I employ you to trust the word of God and not the words of men even if they are from America.

MaxInDHouse:
Believe whatever suits you, God has always destroyed babies (children) along with parents who are evildoers so Jesus wasn't assuring anyone that babies will be spared during God's anger but telling us to make ourselves humble and teachable like little children because that's the QUALITY the prophets foretold will save us:

"Before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff, before the LORD’s fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the LORD’s wrath comes upon you. Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the LORD’s anger." Zephaniah 2:2-3

When Jesus said:
“Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you?” John 21:5
Was he talking to babies as you're thinking or adults?
Remember most of his disciples were older than him in age.

So listen and learn Jesus wasn't talking about literal children but adults who humbled themselves and became teachable like those children!

Again, you are not making an intelligent point. Both the babies of the Good and bad die so the death of a baby is no big deal.

Now here is what Christ said about little children.

Luke 18:16
But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.”

Mark 9:37
Taking the child in his arms, he said to them, “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.”

Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Matthew 18:14
In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Luke 18:17
“Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”



Do you choose to believe Jesus Christ or believe your old American teachers.

Janosky:
Psalm 58:3, will the children there enter the kingdom of God?

What of Matthew 24:38-39, did the children enter the kingdom of God?

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
This says nothing about who would enter the kingdom of God. Jesus Christ already tells us that the kingdom of God belongs to little children so yes the children will enter the kingdom of God.
This verse should convince you
Matthew 18:14
In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Janosky:
"For the kingdom belongs to such (meek , teachable, obedient people) as these (like these children)"

Jesus Christ used a figure of speech (simile) to help his followers/ listeners understand what it takes to enter the kingdom of God.

The disciples have to be meek, teachable, forgiving , obedient etc) as children.
Jesus Christ compared meek, teachable, forgiving & obedient people to children.
Only Jehovah's servants (Noah, Moses, Jesus for example) would have such qualities,don't you think so?

Again, let me explain simile to you.
If for example, I say "as white as a sheep." Already, you know that a sheep should be white.
So when Jesus Christ says the kingdom belongs to such as these, it mean already children are qualified.
They are the qualifying noun in the simile. That is simple English.
If for example I say, be as kind as John, it means John is kind. That's how language works.

Janosky:
"For the kingdom belongs to such (meek , teachable, obedient people) as these (like these children)"

Jesus Christ used a figure of speech (simile) to help his followers/ listeners understand what it takes to enter the kingdom of God.

The disciples have to be meek, teachable, forgiving , obedient etc) as children.
Jesus Christ compared meek, teachable, forgiving & obedient people to children.
Only Jehovah's servants (Noah, Moses, Jesus for example) would have such qualities,don't you think so?

Jesus Christ told you in clear speech in many verses that children would inherit the kingdom. He told you to be like Children to inherit his kingdom. How else would you want him to teach you.

Janosky:
Romans 5:12.

I have said on this forum countless times that you don't want the truth in your Bible to reach your heart.

Ephesians 2:3-8, Oga, please study diligently and prayerfully to receive sense.

Bro pls read the very words of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 19:14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
Why is it too hard to accept the savoir's word over your old American teachers.

Mark 9:37
Taking the child in his arms, he said to them, “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.”

Matthew 18:14
In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Janosky:
Oga read this post again and again until you understand......


Psalm 58:3
"The wicked are estranged from the womb.
They go astray as soon as they are born."

Only children born to Jehovah's servants will inherit God's kingdom, Ephesians 2:3-8 settled this matter.


Additional post:
"Samuel, John the Baptist, Jacob, and Jeremiah were all chosen by God right from the womb".
Yes, each of them were born to parents Worshipping Jehovah the God of Abraham.
Abraham their forefather is Jehovah's servant.
Case closed.

That's interesting you believe that children inherit the sins of their parents. Actually, they don't.
The same Psalms declared that children are God's heritage and Jesus Christ declared that children would inherit the Kingdom so don't you think Christ is correct?

Janosky:
Dullard, which children?
Ephesians 2:3,Children of God's anger bearing their own children?

Psalm 58:3
"The wicked are estranged from the womb.
They go astray as soon as they are born."

Only children born to Jehovah's servants will inherit God's kingdom, Ephesians 2:3-8 settled this matter.

Faithless miscreants wan change the holy scriptures

Samuel, John the Baptist, Jacob, and Jeremiah were all chosen by God right from the womb. In Jacob's case, God even declared his love for him at that early stage. We're these people also God's enemies from the womb?

Janosky:
Dullard, which children?
Ephesians 2:3,Children of God's anger bearing their own children?

Psalm 58:3
"The wicked are estranged from the womb.
They go astray as soon as they are born."

Only children born to Jehovah's servants will inherit God's kingdom, Ephesians 2:3-8 settled this matter.

Faithless miscreants wan change the holy scriptures

So Jesus Christ understood all the verses you quoted before stating that children would inherit his father's kingdom. So it's clear the JW understanding of the verses you quoted is faulty So how about we go through the verse to see if you quoted correctly.

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Your confusion here is the phase children of wrath.
But any intelligent person would know that Christ was not referring to kids. Little kids are not children of wrath. In fact you would not find a single baby given to wrath.

Next quote
Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
This verse also shows your doctrine is not sound infact your brother Janosky would be better off using this verse in his defence. Still after reading the verses, Christ insisted that his kingdom belongs to little children so let's choose to trust Christ's understanding of the scriptures and not one old American. Or what do you think?

MaxInDHouse:
Is God's Kingdom for children or adults that humbly made themselves teachable like children?

Jesus was very specific here that the children would inherit his kingdom. He did not give any conditions for children. So as I always ask, do we believe you or Jesus Christ. Remember, I even quoted from your own bible.

Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin. Psalms 51:5

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

Its hard to know which of you have the JW position.

Now read from your JW version of the bible

Jesus, however, said: “Let the young children alone, and do not try to stop them from coming to me, for the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to such ones.
Is it clear to you now from your own version of the bible?

MaxInDHouse:
Janosky spoke from the perspective of a parent who is FAITHFUL, my child is God's enemy from conception but due to being a faithful servant of God such a fetus is in my plan that whatever it will cost me i must make sure i inculcate in him God's standard.
So unlike the children of a faithless miscreant who is DEAD {Luke 9:60} my own child is already a prospective JW but then like the powerful archer {Psalms 127:3-4} i must do everything manly possible to inculcate the laws of my God in him otherwise i will miss him in God's Kingdom! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Both of you should have a meeting to discuss your positions.
But clearly you believe many contradictions. Babies can't be a gift from God and His enemies at the same time. That's why you find it hard to answer. Babies do not commit sin

Oluwashina72:
He studied anatomy did his I.T in a mortuary, but he wants to know if it is necessary he works there after school?
What other places can he work? Please help a brother thank you.

After 4 to 5 years in university you still don't know your working options. Did you think going to school was all about fun and parties. It was about deciding your future.
If at this stage, you don't know your working options then it's not good at all.
Just so you know, it's not late to go back to school to study a course that gives you more options.

MaxInDHouse:
"ALL have sinned" {Romans 3:23} even including babies in the womb! Psalms 51:5

You're just displaying your ignorance more and more on this forum despite claiming you believe (trust) in what the Bible teaches!

You and Janosky seem to be in different JW sects. You believe all babies are God's enemies he believes that only the babies of the evil are God's enemies.
I think from now on, I would view you guys differently.
Now to you, Do you believe that babies commit sin? You qouted Romans 3.23 so I believe you do.

MaxInDHouse:
Why do you think we are working really hard to teach them God's standard? Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Ọmọ they are God's enemies that's why we must work really hard to make them God's friends {Proverbs 22:6; Psalms 127:4} God even told us that foolishness is tied in their hearts! Proverbs 22:15

So if you can't figure it out yourself i can't help you further!

I see you answered question 3 but skipped the rest.
So let me ask a different question to you. Is a 2 months old JW baby also God's enemy?

jaephoenix:
This Janosky guy has removed every doubt from my mind that he's daft, every time he opens his mouth

I just see him as a funny distraction. And it's always fun comparing his answers to that of his junior brother MaxInDHouse

AntiChristian:
But you didn't answer my questions?
What kind of behavior is this?

I did or at least I tried to maybe you did not understand my answer.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote God's word and explain to yourself!

All have sinned (including all the babies in the world) and fallen short of God's glory! Romans 6:23

So go and figure it out yourself!

Romans 6.23 is not in dispute. Even you sin I only asked you a question and it seems you did not understand it so let me break it down in to more questions.
1. Are children from God?
2. Are children gifts and heritage from God?
3. Are children God's enemies.
Note: your brother Janosky thinks it's only the Wicked that are enemies to God. So when you say all have sinned, does that include the children of JW members?

Janosky:
What disobedience did your forebears commit to inherit the punishment for Adam?

Your MUMU dun do,abeg you.

Are you saying that the 2 months old Children of Sodom and Gomorrah inherited their parent's sins? And man does not suffer for the sins of Adam and Eve we would all be punished for our own sins.

AntiChristian:
Abeg stop telling lies!

Do you know how many monikers he and others of his kind have here? Do you know how much they tag me?
If I answer him in one, I may not need answering same again!

What answers do they have to the mistake in translating 1 Samuel 13 vs 1?
Which Bible translation is the best in translating the said verse?
Why the discrepancies in many other translations regarding this verse?
Did God make mistake in this verse?

Tell me, how many monikers do they have?
You already answered your question. There are mistakes in translations and no one ever denied that. But no matter the translation you use, you would find the gospel of Christ. A translations lead you to Christ the central message of the bible.

Janosky:
Hebrews 10:35,39 & 11:26,God took Moses life due to disobedience, but Moses has a reward of everlasting life in God's kingdom, because of his faith.

God executed Judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah , adults and children, faithless miscreants.
Sodom and Gomorrah case is closed.
That's the difference..

No sir you just opened the case. You only raised many more questions.

So please for what disobedience did God take the life of the 2 month-old babies in Sodom and Gomorrah. Let's start from here. Was it for their disobedience or that of their parents?

Janosky:
God took Moses life,Can you question God?

Is God a friend of the children of Sodom and Gomorrah?
Is God a friend of the children of Noah's day?

You don't want the truth in your Bible.

Now you are using your sense and I like it. God took Moses life, He took the lives of children of Sodom and Gomorrah and the children of Noah's day so that's no big deal. Now what makes a 2-month-old baby in Sodom and Gomorrah God's enemy? Since we see that God takes the lives of both his friends and enemies.

Janosky:
Judges 21:10 & Genesis 7:20-23, the truth there is unpalatable to your heart.
Oga delete them from your Bible.

Oga, I fully understand Judges 21:10 & Genesis 7:20-23 but I only asked you to explain Psalms 127.3. I have no issue with the verses you quoted above

Janosky:
Put to put to the sword women and children."
Allow Judges 21:10 to guide you too.

It is foolishness to cling to Psalm 127:3 when Judges 21:10 is in your Bible.

I am not clinging to any verse, I only asked you to explain the verse but you seem to be running from it.
Now don't forget that it was also God that took the life of Moses. Was Moses an enemy of God?

Janosky:
Max has already explained to you.
God loves the children of his servants , they are the children of Psalms 127:3.

God does NOT love the children HIS servants destroyed at Judges 21:10.
God does not love the children that the flood of Noah's day destroyed, Genesis 7:20-23.
God does not love the children of Evildoers in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Oga, receive SENSE !

I love this, you guys are actually teaching contrary things. So you are saying that the children of God's servants are his heritage and reward and not the children of evildoers right?

So basically, some babies are friends of God while others are his enemies?