₦airaland Forum

SugarGirl44:
The question is why are y’all so focused on Lagos and wish to steal it from Yorubas?
Why are you obsessed
We don’t care about the demographics in your damn region, why do you care so much about us??
Why

No one is stealing Lagos. Everything we have we bought from the owner. So don't fear no one would steal from you ok?

SugarGirl44:
You’re a mad man for comparing you wretched migrants to Chinese investors.
Go and seek help.
You attach too much importance to yourselves, you crazy ibos, and it’s so nauseating.

Ok we don’t need your development again, go and develop your region or is it by force?

ok have a nice day

BanyXchi:
No I just see through the bullshit of people like you that comes from regions that has its own problem but is more fixated on SW issues. Dude the SW is still light-years ahead of your region, check up all the stats and HDI, you have a whole lot of problems happening in the SE but you're more concerned about my region. Why should I take you serious when you have Ikpeazu, Hopeless Uzodinma, Gburugburu ruling y'all in your states, so much insecurity and problems in your region. You live in my region where you don't get shot for going out on Mondays but you are less concerned about your region. I'm not a tribalist abeg. We know why we want Restructuring, so focus on your own region.

I see both of us do not agree. I always love seeing people like you who would even fight the facts and hard data just to continue in their ways.
Anyway, I am sure we would have many more discussions in the future. For now, it was excited talking with you. Enjoy your day my man.

BanyXchi:
'We must stop tribalism' coming from a clown who's also a tribalist that feeds on anti-yoruba propaganda and lies... Oga your region is still a shithole and it's not the least poverty. Even before the Brits came the SW had kingdoms and they were better during regional system and today the SW is still ahead of other regions in all indices, there's a reason your people keep jumping on ifesinachukwu midnight buses to my region and calling themselves developers.

GEJ was not just your in-law, you took him as a son and almost 60% of your people were in his administration, Obasanjo was never our choice, there was voters apathy in SW in 2003 but the few that voted chose him over the fulani Buhari. That doesn't mean that he was never our choice and we didn't benefit anything under his 8 years... Like I said earlier focus on your own region and I'll focus on mine. You have a lot going on in your region but you're deluding yourself with 'Zero progress in SW and 52yrs ago they were poorest'. When Tinubu becomes president next year we will restructure and that will start a new movement for the disintegration of the British contraption. You live somewhere in Yorubaland and can't even go to your region today but you're more concerned about a region that's far better than yours in everything, oga oh.

And btw like I said, the Yorubas still produce more graduates than both the SW and SE together. Check the numbers of State of origin by NUC.... We produce the highest no of technocrats in the country every year. We have regressed but still far ahead of every region.

We took GEJ as a son and so what? How does that make a difference.
You say the SE is a shit hole yet your data proves you wrong. Your data shows that it is the region that has pulled more people out of poverty in the last 50 years.
You speak about the greatness of old Yoruba kingdoms. You forget that you were not born and you never enjoyed the glory of such kingdoms. You live in a different reality. You live in a failed Yoruba nation. And this failure was projected by people like you.
Again you fool yourself that restructuring is the ultimate solution. Politicians always have fancy words to fool you. Restructuring on its own would do nothing.
The key to reviving the so called greatness you spoke about is a cultural reset and education.
Finally let me talk about your tribalism. I noticed you get uncomfortable when we talk about Yoruba land. You keep saying focus on your region. But you forget that we are all Nigerians.
Because of your tribalism you get sad when other Nigerians with equal stake in the country discuss the fall of Yoruba greatness.
Pride comes before a fall and you have chosen the path of foolish pride.
I advise you to change your ways. Tribalism would not put food on your table. A word is enough for the wise.

GoodLife4live:
do not run away from the question... Counter my quotes...

Attack the message not the messenger...

I repeat igbo are economical refugees/ migrants from barren alaigbo....

Don't ever compare your GUILIBLE poor nyamiris wit Chinese and Americans.....

You meant those miscreants selling gala on Lagos highways are investors ? Answer me..

ok bro you are right now let me discuss with people I can understand. One love.

GoodLife4live:
shutup don't ever compare your GUILIBLE poorswlf to the Chinese and Americans.... Nyamiris are poor economical refugees/ migrants that came to Lagos for greener's pastures.....

The Chinese and Americans are investors... Dey came with thier forengn currencies to invest... But your ancestors came with lylon bag with no shishi for greener's pastures.
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U meant those miscreants from cursed barren alaigbo selling gala on Lagos highway are investors

I said it, you have issues. Do me a favor and allow me to continue the argument with intelligent people while you keep reading to learn how intelligent people discuss.
If you want me to reply you next time, speak with some intelligence. I always love to discuss with everyone but in your case I don't even know where to begin.

BanyXchi:
before 1970, I mean during regional system, Western Region was not only better than eastern region but betterans ahead of both regions together until Aguiyi Ironsi a ibo man truncated our regional system.

Saying your people hasn't been in political power is laughable, you have produced vice president and been in several top political positions, even Good luck Ebele was your ijaw-ibo son that you controlled as your president. What's the economic and political advantage the SW has gotten? Obasanjo was never our choice, Olu Falae was the son we wanted as president. Obj did nothing for Yorubas except from murder yoruba youths. Next year we will produce our son as the next president and we will make sure we restructure.

Your region is literally becoming a afghanEastern again without any war, let that be a food of thought for you.

We both agree that the Yorubas used to be ahead. And yes you are right, Igbo's had the vice president seat for 3 years since 1970. Saying OBJ was not your choice is just a lazy excuse. The presidency has never been decided by just one tribe.

You claim he killed Yoruba youths yet in 2003, you gave him over 80% of your votes. We're you trying to reward him for killing your youths? Look for a better excuse.

Even if we agree that GEJ is our in-law how does that make sense? Vote for Atiku then. He is your in law he has a Yoruba wife. And when you vote for him, we all would agree that is is from the SW.
I agree the Igbos have big issues especially in security. But from being the poorest region 52 years ago when no Igbo had more then 20 pounds in the bank to having the least poverty today, we deserve some accolade.
On the other hand, since the time of the Brits the SW was number one but you guys kept messing up. There has been zero progress since the 70s. It's just a sad story of failure. The Yorubas were known for education but today they lack behind.
We can all do better but first we must stop the tribalism and the blame game.
We most learn to look inwards and recognize our short comings as a people. Only then can we grow.

SugarGirl44:
So Lagos doesn’t have Yoruba as majority abi?
You people’s madness just keeps increasing daily.

We can both insult ourselves but it would change nothing and I don't argue where there are no facts. Lagos is a huge city with multiple demographics represented. So until a comprehensive study of Lagos is carried out we really can't argue without hard facts.

SugarGirl44:
How come you chose the ‘poor’ SW to do your wretched business?
Why not do it in your rich region?

Very stupid question. Next time you see an American or Chinese working in Nigeria you ask them the question. Of everyone I have debated on this topic, no one has asked a question this stupid. Please go and deal with your issues.

Ritchiee:
lol
And how many are the Gwari people?
They are not even up to 800,000,so where and how can they dominate Abuja?

Oga what was the population of Abuja when It was chosen to be the capital? You said Abuja was chosen to replace Lagos because Lagos was dominated by one tribe.
You forgot that at that time, Abuja had much less diversity than Lagos.

forgiveness:
Most cities and states in SW are cosmopolitan.

Do you know the meaning of cosmopolitan? Now let me explain to you. Outside Lagos, what percentage of let's say Ibadan is non Yoruba?
A cosmopolitan city is one that has high percentage of people from other regions and races (In our case, tribes) Because if you say the SW is cosmopolitan then with that same measure, every state in Nigeria is cosmopolitan.

BanyXchi:
no they are not making it richer except from foreign expatriates, majority of those moving in are poor and many are also across the villages. I'm sure the population of Ogun is more than that but no need to argue about that again.

You didn't see the details of the poverty level of each region.


Meanwhile, the South-West region recorded the lowest MPI rate at 0.151, followed by South-East and South-South with 0.183 and 0.25 respectively.

https://witng.com/2022/11/21/sokoto-bayelsa-designated-poverty-capital-of-nigeria/

Think about this, in 1970, almost everyone in the SE was poor now in just 52 years that has been cut to 49.5%. The did this without having political power or producing the president. The SW on the other hand with all the economic and political advantages has only gotten worse. Let that be food for thought.

obaaderemi:
No, it means the poverty in the SW will be halved.

Does it make sense to you in the first place to say "let's remove Lagos from SW"?
On what premise do you want to remove Lagos from SW?

First I was showing you clean and clear maths. Secondly, Lagos is 100% SW but it is a multi-tribal state hence I removed it so we can see the outcome in states that have a one-tribe majority.

totit:
You never referred to an illiterate and I can't remember such an encounter with you.

Talking about illiteracy and stupidity at the same time, I will agree that better suit because you just displayed one yourself.


To start with, do you understand stats at all and that poverty intensity signigfies? You obviously don't cos if you don't you looking into the both region population and why and how intensification were used and arrived at.

Now, this is directly from the stats link.

Lastly, according to the last link, SW within the top 5 as you can see SW has the most number...

Oga do you know Maths at all? From what you posted, what is the percentage of poverty in the SW?
Ans. more than 50%.
What is the total percentage of SE poverty?
Ans, 49.5%
Pleas do the calculations using the screenshot you posted. Use your own stats oga.

obaaderemi:
Oga, Lagos is more than 14m and that's not my data. The SE is poorer.

Besides, why should you remove Lagos from SW? One of the reasons federal capital was moved to Abuja was because Lagos was dominated by a tribe.

This is nonsense. Abuja was dominated by the Bwari people. You clearly don't know what you are saying.

obaaderemi:
Oga, Lagos is more than 14m and that's not my data. The SE is poorer.

Besides, why should you remove Lagos from SW? One of the reasons federal capital was moved to Abuja was because Lagos was dominated by a tribe.

But then if you claim that Lagos is 20 million, then it means the rest of the SW is 12 million and that would mean that SW poverty in SW outside Lagos is 100%

forgiveness:
Where is this stadium? In Anambra?,

Remo stars football club. Next time don't tell lies here.

No lies. the Fact remains that about 2 in every 3 persons in Ogun state is poor according to stats. And a stadium and 2 hotels dont make up for it.

obaaderemi:
Lagos population is about 20m. So without counting Lagos, the population of the SW will be around 16m and number of poor people will be around 8m.
The SE is poorer.

Oga are you using the data or creating your own data.
According to the data, SW's population is 32.5 million and the same data gives Lagos a population of 14.3 million
Hence without Lagos, the SW population is 18.3 million with 12.1 poor.
Simply put, 2 out of every 3 people in the SW outside Lagos is poor.
Please do your maths.

forgiveness:
Underdeveloped with hotels, stadiums, schools, hospitals, estates, mansions, etc.

Dey lie give yourself.

Oga hotels, stadiums, schools, hospitals, and mansions are not putting food on the plates of the people. I do business there. Again, Ikenne and Iperu have zero standard hotels, no stadiums, no estates, and mostly mud houses. I guess you are calling mud houses mansions.

BanyXchi:
oga you're the one in denial, you people are more concerned about other regions while yours is literally turning to 'afghanEastern' under ipob. We are doing better than other regions, and we know things will change when BAT restructures the country.

Lol, you bring up a tweet when you could look at the NMPI 2022 data your self. That tweet is fake news. SW poverty is 50% according to the NMPI data quoted by your tweet. Just leave Twitter and go to the NMPI 2022 data. Oga you went to school na.

The problem with the SW is not restructuring. You are now the out-of-school children capital in southern Nigeria. You are losing touch with what matters.

BanyXchi:
idk why you're combining States here, did you consider the FAAC given to both Anambra and imo compared to Oyo? Your region is the smallest in size and population, they enjoy more FAAC per capita and enjoy less deductions compared to other regions but it's still poorer than SW. Where did you get the figure of Ogun state population. Ogun has nothing less than 6.5m people and it's becoming the next cosmopolitan state after Lagos. There are more non-yorubas trooping here to Ogun compared to non-igbos trooping into Anambra and majority of these non-yorubas are poor. Like I said earlier on, instead of accusing me of being tribalistic why not focus on your region, you have the likes of Gburugburu, Hopeless uzodinma and Ipob in your region but you are more concerned with other regions.

The only reason why the Yorubas are getting poorer by the day is that they have stopped leading in education. Other regions are now slowly catching up economically.

forgiveness:
Ikenne very poor town!? is Ikenne a rural area?

Is Iperu a rural area?

Yes they are very rural and under developed.

BanyXchi:
oga pls check it on @Statsense on Twitter, it is more than this. SW is the least poor in the country. Just check it up yourself on Twitter or their website.

I have shown you the stats. You are still in denial. don't worry, you would come to terms.

BanyXchi:
idk why you're combining States here, did you consider the FAAC given to both Anambra and imo compared to Oyo? Your region is the smallest in size and population, they enjoy more FAAC per capita and enjoy less deductions compared to other regions but it's still poorer than SW. Where did you get the figure of Ogun state population. Ogun has nothing less than 6.5m people and it's becoming the next cosmopolitan state after Lagos. There are more non-yorubas trooping here to Ogun compared to non-igbos trooping into Anambra and majority of these non-yorubas are poor. Like I said earlier on, instead of accusing me of being tribalistic why not focus on your region, you have the likes of Gburugburu, Hopeless uzodinma and Ipob in your region but you are more concerned with other regions.

Oga you have an issue with mathematics. Let's do some maths. If 68.1 % 0f Ogun state is poor and 68.1% = 3.8 million, then what is the population of Ogun state? Ans 5.92 million. Where did you see 6.5 million?

Again the non-yorubas trooping to Ogun state actually makes Ogun richer, not poorer. The poorest parts of the state are the villages, not the cosmopolitan cities. That is why Lagos with a much greater non-Yoruba population has far lower poverty than Ogun. again, rural poverty makes up over 80% of all poverty in Nigeria. Simply put, the poor people in Ogun state are in the villages (Yorubas)

BanyXchi:
pls check the stats very well, I don't have the time to screenshot, the SE has more poor people than the SW. There are more MPI in the SE than SW.. South West is the least poor region in the country even with it's larger population than your region and decades of regression thanks to the unitary system.
I don't want to insult pls let's not go that lane, bcuz clearly you're the dumbo, Ogun has more population than Anambra and is more cosmopolitan than the east. How many non-igbos are in Anambra compared to the non-yorubas in Ogun? Also I don't understand what you mean by if you remove lagos... Ondo state is actually the least poor state, Ekiti and Osun even though the lowest FAAC in the South has less poor people compared to Enugwu, Imo, Ebonyi. You should be more concerned about your region abeg.

You keep getting your maths wrong.
From the same stat,
Anambra has a population of 5 million with 1.6 million poor and 3.2 million not poor
Ogun has a population of 5.6 million with 3.8 million poor and 1.8 million not poor

Ogun state has more poor people than Anambra and Imo combined yet a much less population.

Same with Oyo state, the population of Anambra and Imo combined is greater than the population of Oyo state yet Oyo has more poor people than the 2 states combined.

BanyXchi:
pls check the stats very well, I don't have the time to screenshot, the SE has more poor people than the SW. There are more MPI in the SE than SW.. South West is the least poor region in the country even with it's larger population than your region and decades of regression thanks to the unitary system.
I don't want to insult pls let's not go that lane, bcuz clearly you're the dumbo, Ogun has more population than Anambra and is more cosmopolitan than the east. How many non-igbos are in Anambra compared to the non-yorubas in Ogun? Also I don't understand what you mean by if you remove lagos... Ondo state is actually the least poor state, Ekiti and Osun even though the lowest FAAC in the South has less poor people compared to Enugwu, Imo, Ebonyi. You should be more concerned about your region abeg.

Here are the stats
SW Population -32.5 million people Number of poor people-16.3 million

SE Population-22 million. The number of poor people-10.9 million.

Now without counting Lagos; The SW population is about 18 million people Number of poor people- is 12.1 million

BanyXchi:
oga gtf out of here, you accuse someone of hating your tribe when they call out your hate and bile. Before the war started the Western Region was better than other regions and as much as they have regressed today their region are still better than yours. You don't need to tell me what's wrong with SW, like I said focus on your own region, I'm sure you're based someone in SW.... We know our problem, we know the bastards that truncated our regional system of gov in 1966 with Decree 34. We will fix this when BAT becomes the president, I don't have your tribe, I don't understand your fixation about my region when yours is poorer in all standards.

Yes before the war the SW was the richest zone but oga that was a long time ago. You guys have begun to mess up. These days, you have nothing to boast of. Awolowo and other great leaders would be crying and cursing in their graves.
Now about focusing on my region, I am more invested in the SW than any of the average tribalists on Nairaland. Do you know what it means to travel to the interior and meet with farmers? Do you know what it means to invest just 50k in a farmer during the planting season or buy a farmer a water pump so he can grow vegetables in the dry season?
Do you know what it means for a farmer to kneel down begging you to buy his vegetables so they don't rot on the farm?
I have a right to discuss the SW more than most of you fighting me. I have paid my dues what have you done?
We are traders and we have contributed. We pay tax in our stalls and warehouses in Lagos.
So what are you talking about?

By 1969 90% of Igbo kids were out of school but today the SW has become the capital of out-of-school kids in the south. The SW has become the capital of illiteracy in the south even though western education began there. How is the mighty falling?

Aemmyjah:
Do you listen to news at all?
Especially UN reports and the COP27 summit on global climate change
Shame
When you were younger, tell me what you knew about terrorism. I never heard of book haram but now they are menacing and I do hear of iswap. Is the world getting better in how they deal with terrorism or worse?
Can you compare food prices now to that of 50 or hundred years ago? Then it was unpredictable that it would skyrocket like this
The floods, earthquakes and the rest we see worldwide are being described as unprecedented in history but thanks to technological advancement, they are easily detected but not PREVENTED
Tell me just one wonderful solution that has been coming from global climate change. The warning was first given around the 80s during the prevalence of tobacco but industrial pollutants, bush burning and fossil fuel has made it worse
What are nuclear weapons for? Decorations?

Boss, I was going through something online and I remembered you. Below is a graph showing the global poverty threshold from 1820 to 2018. What we need is knowledge. The figures are adjusted for inflation ok.

BanyXchi:
I agree with you that Ogun west area is the poorest but this doesn't negate the fact that non-yorubas trooping in into the state everyday contributes to it's problem.

Don't bother to talk about SW poverty, focus on that of SE which is scarier than ours, I've been across the east, all I'll say is may God take control. Anambra is not the only state in the east, there are several from other states trooping in everyday. Also Lagos is not the least poor in SW but Ondo... Osun and Ekiti has less poverty than Imo, Enugwu, Ebonyi. Oyo with over 10m people has less poverty than Enugwu, Ebonyi. With a population of about 21m and almost homogeneous region, I thunk you should be more concerned about your region instead of Ogun. Ogun is still more industrialized, urbanised, better health care and larger IGR than your region. Go and check the new stats, HDI in Ogun state is still bigger than any state in the east. From access to water, to access to easier healthcare, less unemployment, better security, more internet access, and so on.

Let me add one more point, That the SE has the least poverty in Nigeria is a miracle. That zone is supposed to be by far the poorest. In 1970, it was by far the poorest and the SW zone has always been richer. Instead of you to be asking what when wrong in the SW, you blame it on the Igbos as if the Igbos are the people in your villages. Unless you stop your Igbo hate, you would keep falling into poverty because rather than stop the problem, you keep blaming others. The Igbos are not your problem and they have never been.

BanyXchi:
I agree with you that Ogun west area is the poorest but this doesn't negate the fact that non-yorubas trooping in into the state everyday contributes to it's problem.

Don't bother to talk about SW poverty, focus on that of SE which is scarier than ours, I've been across the east, all I'll say is may God take control. Anambra is not the only state in the east, there are several from other states trooping in everyday. Also Lagos is not the least poor in SW but Ondo... Osun and Ekiti has less poverty than Imo, Enugwu, Ebonyi. Oyo with over 10m people has less poverty than Enugwu, Ebonyi. With a population of about 21m and almost homogeneous region, I thunk you should be more concerned about your region instead of Ogun. Ogun is still more industrialized, urbanised, better health care and larger IGR than your region. Go and check the new stats, HDI in Ogun state is still bigger than any state in the east. From access to water, to access to easier healthcare, less unemployment, better security, more internet access, and so on.

Oga SE poverty is high but it is 0.5% lower than SW poverty and if you remove Lagos, the SW becomes extremely poor. Ogun state has a high IGR but almost everyone is poor. Anambra has a very low IGR but only 37% is poor. Who is the dummie?
50% of the entire SW is poor. Without Lagos, this number jumps to more than 60%. 49.5% of the entire SE is poor. Both are terrible results but clearly one is better.

BanyXchi:
more poverty in Ogun than Anambra because of population. Ogun is becoming very Cosmopolitan, leeches keep jumping on midnight buses to come and live here. Sagamu, Ijebu-Ode, Abeokuta are receiving a lot of non-yorubas everyday and they are poor people who fled their regions.

It is either you are being intentionally dubious or you are poorly informed. Lagos has the Highest cosmopolitan population. It is also the state with the highest population of non-Yorubas yet it has only 27% poverty. How come the influx is making Lagos rich and Ogun very poor? Don't you see that something is wrong with you?
Also, rural poverty is far worse in rural areas than in cosmopolitan areas. I own a food logistics business. I constantly travel to the extremely poor villages of the SW.
I have seen rural poverty and I know how bad it is.
The truth is that the so-called leeches have increased the wealth of your state. Extreme poverty is not in Sagamu, Ijebu-Ode, and Abeokuta. Rather it is in Owode, Odeda, and Ipokia.
Again how come Anambra with a poverty rate that is half that of Ogun is the cause of your poverty? If you want to know the cause of SW poverty, ask me and I would tell you for free.
My workers just came back from Alabata, a town in Odeda LGA. It's full of poor people like all other rural areas in Ogun.
Most of the Ugu we sell in Lagos, we buy from Iperu and Ikenne both in Remo. I was surprised to learn that Awolowo is from Ikenne. It is a very poor town. Poverty is mainly in Ogun rural areas and not in Abeokuta.
Again if you want to know why the SW is so poor, ask me.

BATified2023:
don’t mind them especially those south east noisemakers

They are highly annoying

I ask all igbos here to tell us what south east add to Nigeria?

3.8 million people from Ogun state are living in poverty and yet you have one of the highest IGR in the country. You have sick leaders. We are talking about 68% of the state living in poverty but you evil politicians are boasting of IGR? What have you been doing with the billions from IGR? Criminals.

Kaduna is even worse. 3 out of every 4 people in the state is poor yet they have one of the highest IGRs. Madness.