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Janosky:
Oga, Did you see the word "Saviour in John 20:17?
In John 20:1-30, did you see the world Saviour?




Oga, you have dodged 4 pertinent questions:
My four questions to you:
According to your Bible @ John 20:17, is Jesus Christ "your God and his "my God"?
Jesus Christ is ascending to meet which God?

In other words, who did Jesus call "my God"?
Who did Jesus Christ call "your God"?

I answered your question with a question. If you understand why the bible said we have only one savior in Isaiah and mentioned many saviours, then you would understand why the father of Jesus Christ should be a God

Janosky:
Oga, be honest to yourself

My four questions to you:
According to your Bible @ John 20:17, is Jesus Christ "your God and his "my God"?
Jesus Christ is ascending to meet which God?

In other words, who did Jesus call "my God"?
Who did Jesus Christ call "your God"?

Let me answer with some little questions of mine. this would make it very easy for you to understand
According to Isaiah 43:11. Jehovah is the only savior.
According to Acts 4:12, Philippians 3:20, 2 Timothy 1:10 Jesus Christ is the savior.
According to Obadiah 1:21, There would be Saviours in mount zion.

Is Jesus Christ the only Saviour spoken about in Isaiah? How many saviors do we have? Is Jesus Christ even our savior?

Janosky:
Oga, your post here vindicated the point of Chabad.org screenshot.

ehye ’ăšer ’ehye ([ʔehˈje ʔaˈʃer ʔehˈje])– "I will become what I choose to become"


Oga, thanks for this post.
Tctrills post:
"The traditional English translation within Judaism favors "I will be what I will be" because there is no present tense of the verb "to be" in the Hebrew language."

Hebrew is the original language of the Bible.

Hebrew NEVER claimed I AM that I AM meaning Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.

Hebrew Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh means I will be what I will be......"

It is the Hebrew that would decide what the English language translation would be.
'I AM' falls far short.
Na you provide the evidence.
One question for you:
John 20:17 , Acts 3:13 & Exodus 3:14, Oga, your " I AM" ascended to whom?

You did not read the post. If you did, you would notice that it offered both arguments. Please read the entire post.
This is another post from another Hebrew scholar.
A shortened form of God's response to Moses' request for the name of the God of the patriarchs (Exodus 3:13-14 ). The fuller form of the name may be rendered “I am who I am,” “I will be who I will be,” or even “I cause to be what is.” See YHWH . God's response is not a “name” that makes God an object of definition or limitation. Rather, it is an affirmation that God is always subject, always free to be and act as God wills. The earliest Greek rendering “I am the one who is” or “I am Being” has been especially significant in the development of theology.
Jesus' “I am” response in several New Testament passages suggests more than the simple identifying “I am he.” The “I am” of Mark 6:50 means “I am Jesus and not a ghost,” but suggests the divine “I am” who alone “tramples down the waves of the sea” ( Job 9:8; Mark 6:48-49 ) and made the waves hush (Psalm 107:28-29; compare Mark 4:39 ). John 8:24 makes recognition that Jesus is the “I am” a matter of eternal life and death: “You will die in your sins unless you believe that I am.” The Jews misunderstood, thinking it was a matter of identity (“Who are you?” John 8:25 ). Recognition that Jesus is the “I am” who is one in word and action with His Father is possible only when Jesus has been lifted up on the cross/raised from the dead (John 8:28 ). That the Jews rightly understood Jesus' claim “before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58 ) as a divine claim is evident from their picking up stones to throw at Him. The “I am” of John 18:5 again suggests more than “I am the man you are looking for.” Rather, Jesus is the “I am” whose awesome presence forced the guard back and into a posture of reverence. Here Jesus was not the object of betrayal but the subject who won the release of His disciples ( John 18:8 ). Though differing in form from the “I am” sayings, the references to the one “who is and who was and who is to come” (Revelation 1:4 ,Revelation 1:4,1:8; Revelation 4:8; compare Revelation 11:17; Revelation 16:5 ) are similar in thought. In a context of intense hardship that called into question God's sovereignty, the writer of Revelation reaffirmed Israel's faith in the “I am” who is the subject of history and not its victim.

Janosky:
John 20:17, Oga did Jesus agree with your claim?
John 20:17,is Jesus your God?
Did Jesus ascend to himself?

You are telling this forum that John 3:16 is a ruse.

None of these scriptures here say Jesus isn't Jehovah or God.
It only makes sense that the son of a God is also a God. Hence Psalms 82.6 I have said, "You are gods; you are all children of The Highest!
Just because the father is a God doesn't mean his children are not Gods. In fact, the children of a God should be Gods.

Janosky:
John 20:17, Oga did Jesus agree with your claim?
John 20:17,is Jesus your God?
Did Jesus ascend to himself?

You are telling this forum that John 3:16 is a ruse.

None of these scriptures here say Jesus isn't Jehovah or God.

Janosky:
Oga, your claim is NOT true.
Did Jesus speak to Moses at Exodus 3:14?

John 20:17, Your I AM ascending to meet another "I AM".
Do you get it?

I don't understand what ou mean sir

Janosky:
Oga , look into all the verses in Greek interlinear Bible @John 1:1,John 14:1,John4:24, Jesus calls ONLY JEHOVAH God ho Theos ,(Greek 3588 2316) "the God."

@ John 1:1,Is Jesus ho Theos "the God"?
NEVER !!! .

Hosea 12:3-4, angel is God.
Oga, whether you believe Jesus is, your Bible says the angel is.

Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:30 Jesus Christ says you MUST Worship only God his Father.
Only Polytheists worship 3 deities,not Christians.

1 Corinthians 11:3 Amplified Bible
"But I want you to understand that Christ is the head (authority over) of every man, and man is the head of woman, and God is the head of Christ"

God is the Head (authority over) Christ.
Oga, Paul says your claim is NOT true.



Man is not perfect.
Man's perfection na copy copy, filthy rags in the sight of God.

Sir, I really find it hard to understand the point you are making. Can you take it one at a time please.
Let me respond to the little I understand. You brought John 1.1 and you claim to be on the Greek bible "the God" This even shows absolute.
So we can say Jesus Christ is the God. Then what is your Argument if Jesus Christ is the God it proves all I have been saying.
Let me give you a simple example. If I say Messi is the GOAT. It simply means he is the only and absolute GOAT but if I say Messi is a GOAT, it means there are more than 1 GOAT. So thanks for proving me right. I would continue to quote you.

For the other points you are trying to make, I think you should calm down and lets doit one by one so I can understand. Thanks Bro

Janosky:
John 8:38.
Jesus your "I AM" is in the presence of his Father in heaven.

Oga, your claim about John 8:58 , Jesus Christ says it's not true.
Exodus 3:14-15 and Acts 3:13 is the scriptural evidence.
Exodus 3:14, God told Moses:
"Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh I will be what/who I will be"

"I AM" claim is man made deception.

Sir, I don't understand your point. Are you a Hebrew speaker? Are you saying that you are smarter than the Hebrew scholars that translated the bible?
You have never translated anything so your cant be the expert in determining which translation is correct and which is wrong. Let's leave that for the experts ok.
It would be very foolish for both of us to argue over the works of different scholars unless we are equally qualified. I get you are trying to defend the work of some scholars but you are not qualified neither am I. Let's leave that debate to those that know what they are talking about.
Meanwhile, this is from another scholar of Hebrew.

I am that I am is a common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, ’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye ([ʔehˈje ʔaˈʃer ʔehˈje])– also "I am who I am," "I will become what I choose to become", "I am what I am," "I will be what I will be," "I create what(ever) I create," or "I am the Existing One."[1] The traditional English translation within Judaism favors "I will be what I will be" because there is no present tense of the verb "to be" in the Hebrew language.

Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew: אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה) is the first of three responses given to Moses when he asks for God's name in the Book of Exodus.[2] ’Ehyeh is the first person form of hayah, "to be," and owing to the peculiarities of Hebrew grammar means "I am," "I was," and "I will be."[3] The meaning of the longer phrase ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh is debated, and might be seen as a promise ("I will be with you" or as statement of incomparability ("I am without equal".[4]

The word ehyeh is the first-person singular imperfect form of hayah, "to be". Biblical Hebrew does not distinguish between grammatical tenses. It has instead an aspectual system in which the imperfect denotes any actions that are not yet completed,[5][6][7] Accordingly, Ehyeh asher ehyeh can be rendered in English not only as "I am that I am" but also as "I will be what I will be" or "I will be who I will be", or "I shall prove to be whatsoever I shall prove to be" or even "I will be because I will be". Other renderings include: Leeser, "I Will Be that I Will Be"; Rotherham, "I Will Become whatsoever I please", Greek, Ego eimi ho on (ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν), "I am The Being" in the Septuagint,[8] and Philo,[9][10] and the Book of Revelation[11] or, "I am The Existing One"; Lat., ego sum qui sum, "I am Who I am."

According to the Hebrew Bible, in the encounter of the burning bush (Exodus 3:14) Moses asks what he is to say to the Israelites when they ask what the gods ('Elohiym) have sent him to them, and Yahweh replies, "I am who I am," adding, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I am has sent me to you.'"[4] It is somewhat remarkable that despite this exchange, the Israelites never ask Moses for the name of God.[13] Then there are a number of probably unanswerable questions, including who it is that does not know God's name, Moses or the Israelites (most commentators take it that it is Moses who does not know, meaning that the Israelites will ask him the name in order to prove his credentials), and just what the statement means.[13]

The last can be approached in three ways:

"I am who I am" – an evasion of Moses's question;[14]
"I am who am" or "I am he who is" – a statement of the nature of Israel's Gods ['Elohiym];
"'I Am' is who I am," or "I am because I am" – this version has not played a major part in scholarly discussion of the phrase, but the first variant has been incorporated into the New English Bible

cornelboy:
God is the Savior and He chooses the means through which he saves.

You are the one that have different versions of God.





The Father is the one God for us!

I think I understand what you are trying to say, You believe that the father is the only savior. That Jesus Christ is not really the Savior but just someone used by the Savior so it's wrong to call him our Savior? Is this your point?

robosky02:
Which Senegalese team deserve the name Golden generation 2002 world cup team or 2021AFCON winning Team?


1. The 2002 team was the team that shock the world when the defeated the reigning world champions France at the opening game of the Korea/Japan 2002 world cup.
The team boost of the like of
Aliou CISSE (the current coach), El Hadji DIOUF, etc

Full squard:Ferdinand COLY, Khalilou FADIGA, Pape Bouba DIOP, Pape Malick DIOP, Lamine DIATTA, Torwart Tony SYLVA; vordere Reihe v.lks.: Omar DAF, El Hadji DIOUF, Moussa NDIAYE, Salif DIAO, Aliou CISSE

2 the 2021 team that just won the AFCON in Cameroon. Defeating Egypt in the finals on penalties and giving Senegal their first AFCON title this year.
The team have the likes of
Edouard Mendy;Kalidou Koulibaly ,Sadio Mane,

Full Squard: Edouard Mendy; Bouna Sarr, Kalidou Koulibaly, Abdou Diallo, Saliou Ciss; Pape Matar Sarr, Idrissa Gueye, Cheikhou Kouyate, Keita Balde; Sadio Mane, Boulaye Dia.


Source: Robosky02

Both teams are golden generations

cornelboy:
I see. You think we are the same?

No I was in your shoes a long tome ago. I have grown since then

cornelboy:
1 Thessalonians 5:9
[9]For God chose to save us through our Lord Jesus Christ, not to pour out his anger on us.


2 Timothy 1:9
[9]For God saved us and called us to live a holy life. He did this, not because we deserved it, but because that was his plan from before the beginning of time—to show us his grace through Christ Jesus.

It's about what God wills and chooses now.

Me run? Never!

I don't want to waste my time with you. You remember what i said yesterday?

Isaiah says you have only one Saviour
Is Jesus your Saviour or not?

Jesus is Jehovah
Isaiah declared
Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Jesus was and is that only Saviour.

13 Bible Verses about
Jesus Christ, Savior

Luke 2:11
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Paul declared Jesus as our great God and Savior

cornelboy:
Eeyah see therapist!

Not really. But I have been in you situation before

cornelboy:
Your assumption that Jesus is Jehovah not mine

I understand how you feel

cornelboy:
Lol go give your dogma to another person not me.
Paul didn't make it clear that though there are many gods but na the Father Dem know as GOD?





Became equal Abi? No wahala bye!

I love the fact that you are overwhelmed but before you run, I would give you another example that should calm you down.
How many saviors do we have?
Acts 13:23
From the descendants of this man, according to promise, God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus.

Isaiah 43:11

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Obadiah 1:21
21 And saviours shall come up on bmount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the Kingdom shall be the Lord's

How many Saviours do we have?

cornelboy:
Lemme rephrase that with another name.

"Before Abraham was, tctrills". Does it make sense to you?

"Before Abraham was, YHWH". E make Sense Abi?

But see how God Himself used the name..

"Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 'I AM' hath sent me unto you."


Learn baba

sir I don't get your point here. Jesus to moses to tell the children of Israel that I Am sent him. In John, he again told Israel that he is I Am. So simple.
Please explain the point you are trying to make

cornelboy:
You talk as if your the author of the Bible.

How many God did the bible say we have according to Deuteronomy 6 4, 1 Corinthians 8 6, and John 17 3?

1 Corinthians 8:5
[5]There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.

BUT


[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.

I told you, different verses in the bible use the Word God in different ways. It key is to understand who it is talking about.
You cannot be bringing up verses and ignoring other verses.
Look into all the verses.
Both Jesus Christ and David refer to Man as God. They were not wrong.
John 17 3 isn't wrong also neither is 1 Corinthians 8:5. In these verses, Jesus Christ was pointing us to worship the Father.
Paul taught that Jesus Christ became equal to the Father.
Jesus also taught be ye perfect like your Father in Heaven showing that even man can reach the level.

baralatie:
Okay!
So what is the best choice?

Just find another man.
The thing with love is that we never stop searching until we get what we deserve.
Delete the videos.
But then, if you are 100% sure that your boyfriend loves you too much and he wouldn't sue you then you can post the videos online. Then again, that is a big risk.
If he could cheat on you, you can jail you.

baralatie:
All cases of death of passion Between married couples and exes has one the partners as the perpetrator .and it boils down to the information of the act coming to open knowledge.
It has a way of turning gentleness into demons!
It takes the Power of God to have a calm head to walk through these times

Well, you are free to risk your career and freedom with the hope that someone would kill another for you.
I just don't think it's the best choice for you.

cornelboy:
He didn't say he's the IAM. He only said before Abraham was, he already existed. He was talking bout his existence.
He ain't claiming no God's name

Actually, I just quoted word for word

cornelboy:


The bible also call men Gods.

Yes, we both read it. The key is to understand when the bible is referring to the Father, the Son or even to man.
Do you get it.

baralatie:
If he survives all the death threat from the husband of the wife he is bonking

Would you risk your life and career on that? What if the husband is a decent law abiding citizen and does not go out to kill him?
It's never wise to take a decision that could sent you to jail with the hope that the husband commits murder. Haba nah.
Just let it go. Do the wiser thing.

cornelboy:
Jesus already existed before Abraham existed, period!

I Am is the name of Jehovah.
Exodus 3.14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

cornelboy:
You mean your learning right?
Na your mistranslations point to that

Well, I can't force you to accept the bible.
The Bible calls Jesus God and tells you he was worshipped.
Yet you doubt

baralatie:
Simple.the husband files.for.divorce based on the evidence!

Yea the husband of the married woman has the right to divorce. But the boyfriend of the heartbroken lady will also have his day in court.
It''s a jailable offence

cornelboy:
Mtcheew see you sha

Who's the Father?

Nna let's clear this up then open another post.
For now, we are learning that Jesup is Jehovah.
All scripture point to that fact.
John recorded.
John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
This should clear your doubts

baralatie:
You handed me your phone to access!
That is the point!
If I copy your message that puts in a crime...
How do you think the police will take it?

It's not about the police. It's about what the law says. What would happen when this gets to court?

cornelboy:
WHO'S THE FATHER!?

I love your use of capital red. It shows you are following.

baralatie:
There was no breaking in!
The information dropped into her lap with freedom of access

If you give me your phone to see a movie and I end up copying your messages, wouldn't you arrest me?

baralatie:
There was no breaking in!
The information dropped into her lap with freedom of access

I insist, please talk to your lawyer first.
The info was not given to her.
She had no right to make a copy of it.
A beg talk to your lawyer before putting yourself in a bad situation.

cornelboy:
WHO'S THE FATHER!?

I thought we agreed to discuss that when we are through with this.