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NNTR:
So you do see the point that Jephthah clearly is familiar with and equally aware of Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21 and 2 Kings 21:6 then

There's no conflict of interest whatsoever between Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21, and 2 Kings 21:6 and Jephthah's action.

Both the first and second promises that Jephthah made in his veiled forked coded vows did not, in anyway, come into conflict with Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21, and 2 Kings 21:6 because Jephthah's intended action had nothing to do with a dead sacrifice of a fellow human being

You dont want to know the truth. What you really want to know and what you're getting at, is digging your heels in to the ground believing lies, that Jephthah sacrificed another person, his daughter as a burning sacrifice to God

When reading all the verses, you didnt pay meticulous attention to every detail of the verses. If you did, you wouldnt have brought up the topic.

The only one word reason, you brought this up is not because Jephthah's actions were not in line with other teachers, it is because of ignorance (i.e. meaning, your lack of knowledge of the significant facts in the bible passage)

Now watch this tctrills. What Jephthah did in Judges 11:31 was to combine two vows, which to an untrained or unsuspecting eyes, like yours, appears on the surface, to look as if its just one straight vow.

Judges 11:31, as a matter of fact and truth, is a coded message verse, wrapping up and holding within it, two vows.

Judges 11:31
Then it shall be, that whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me,
when I return in peace from the children of Ammon,
shall surely be the LORD'S,
and I will offer 'IT' up for a burnt offering.

Vow number 1:
"whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S"

Vow Number 2:
"and I will offer 'IT' up for a burnt offering."

Listen to this tctrills, Judges 11:31, in relation to the two vows, is explained like this:

Referring to Vow number 1:
Whatsoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me shall surely be the LORD'S (i.e. meaning, whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet Jephthah, will be given over to God, as a living sacrifice that's devoted to service)

Referring to Vow number 2:
Better still, if it happens to be an 'IT' (i.e. meaning, if it happens to be an animal AND NOT a human being, then Jephthah, will offer 'IT', the animal up for a burnt offering sacrifice.)

Vow number 2, served as, an extra or added bonus vow. Do you, now get it? Hmm?

Judges 11:34-37
³⁴When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter came out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy.
She was his one and only child; he had no other sons or daughters.
³⁵When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish.
“Oh, my daughter!” he cried out. “You have completely destroyed me! You’ve brought disaster on me!
For I have made a vow to the Lord, and I cannot take it back.”
³⁶And she said, “Father, if you have made a vow to the Lord,
you must do to me what you have vowed, for the Lord has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites.
³⁷But first let me do this one thing: Let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin

Smh at you. I am saying that Judges 11 is part of the bible, while your confusion about Jephthah and his daughter is not in the bible

tctrills, you can see from Judges 11:34-37 above, that when Jephthah's daughter came out to meet him, father and daughter instantly knew the fate of the daughter is now a lifetime of celibacy, meaning that, Jephthah's daughter now never will marry and she'll be sexually abstinent in addition to her dedication to God (i.e. as per the detail in vow number 1)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

The summary of it all, your understanding of scripture i's based on guess work and not the revealed word.
Or is it that you have a problem with reading and understanding.
I advise you to show verse 31 to anyone that understands English.
Just the one verse has made you write the script of an entire movie.
Anyway we both don't agree. Thanks for your time. I see you really gave this much time. Thanks for the effort

The temple of Isreal belonged to Jehovah (Jesus Christ)
Matthew 21:12–13

12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’[a] but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’

Compare
Isaiah 56:7

7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For[b] My house [/b]will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

Truvelisback:
The girl didn't make any vow. I'm letting u know that it is against God's word(His own word) to accept human as sacrifice. If u read well, she bewailed her virginity, not her death. And she knew no man. That was the same reason when God tested Abraham to kill his only son(only child) and offer him as sacrifice. When Abraham wanted to do so, God stopped him and provided a Ram instead.

Are you saying verse 31 is wrong? Yes, she wept she was never going to marry because she was going to be a burnt offering. Do you have any explanation for verse 31?

WesternOligarch:
https://mobile.twitter.com/renoomokri/status/1489322181171589122

Reno with your education, you should know not to talk about a woman in such a fashion. This is typically body shaming.

Truvelisback:
God doesn't accept human sacrifice. The vow was that: She knew no man all the days of her life. It's againts His word. God is against sheding of human blood blood for Sacrifice.

Please read verse 31. Also, you are quite wrong. here we are talking about the vow her father made. We are not told that the girl made any vow. Just read the chapter and save us the time

Truvelisback:
God doesn't accept human sacrifice. His daughter wasn't killed and used for sacrifice, rather she served the Lord all the days of her life without getting married and bearing children. It be came their custom.

She served the Lord after she was used for a burnt offering. Someone is writing a new bible here.
judges 11
31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

From this comes the Israelite tradition 40 that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to[b] commemorate[/b] the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.
The custom was that each year for 4 days, the young women commemorate her. Commemorate means recall and show respect for in simple English.
If you want to teach your own opinion, you are welcome but I insist on what is written in the scriptures.

Again, we learn from the scriptures that we should worship only Jehovah. Well that was what exactly the wise men did.
Matthew 2:2

2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Peter also worshiped Jehovah
Matthew 14:33

33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary worshiped the resurrected Jehovah
Matthew 28.9
9 Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet, and worshiped him.

The 11 apostles also worshiped the resurrected Jehovah
Matthew 28
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Jesus Christ was the Jehovah of the old testament. He was the Lord that established the Sabbath among the Jews.
Mark 2:28 “Therefore the Son of man is Lord [kyrios] also of the sabbath.”

Another old testament prophet that knew Jesus christ was Jehovah is Malachi
Malachi 3.1
“I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.
Compare this to Mark 1.2,3
Mark 1:2-3

2 as it is written in Isaiah the prophet:

“I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way”
3 “a voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.
Jehovah in the old testament promised to send a messenger, who will prepare the way before Him. This we learn was fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

cornelboy:
Revelation 1:1
[1]This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must soon take place. He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John,

I'm pointing to you that the revelation is from Jehovah to Jesus to an angel and to John

Go figure if out yourself

Again, I have always trusted you to be very educated so let's go through the verse you quoted Revelation 1:1
1 T[b]he Revelation of Jesus Christ[/b], which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The book of Revelations tell about Jesus Christ.
Also, all revelations in the bible come from God so even if the Revelation is talking about christ like in the case of the above verses, I does not mean that te revelation does not come from Christ.

NNTR:
If thats a source of wisdom and consolation for you, then so be it

Whatever the depth, this hole you've digging yourself and climbing down in to, just know that there's a way out of it, and the way to safely climb out of the hole, is by conceding that this one verse did give evidence of human sacrifice, albeit none of your fantasy burnt offering for that matter, but it was a perpetual living sacrifice performed by Jephthah's daughter, until death (i.e. the rest of her life

Do you notice how you evaded answering the question, asking if you, believe that Jephthah wasnt familiar with and wasnt aware of Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21 and 2 Kings 21:6? Hmm?

I am leaving for you, to toy and play with in your mind, that important it word, that I underlined in Judges 11:31 above, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Yes Jephthah's action was contrary to what is written in the verses you quoted so what is your point? Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21, and 2 Kings 21:6 are all contrary to Jephthah's action. I really want to know what you are getting at. I have read all these verses before I even brought up the topic. The only reason I brought this up is because Jephthah's actions were not in line with other teachers.
Are you saying that Judges 11 is not part of the bible?

cornelboy:
Revelation 1:1
[1]This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must soon take place. He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John,

I'm pointing to you that the revelation is from Jehovah to Jesus to an angel and to John

Go figure if out yourself

I am sure you did not read the verses. It was Jesus Christ speaking in the first person about himself
For example, in Revelations 1.8 Jesus tells you that he is the Lord which is to come. I am sure you know that Jesus Christ is the Lord to come not his father right?
8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
An easy way to learn who the verses were talking about is to read the preceding verses. Let me give you some examples to help you out.
Revelations 1
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
reading verse 12, you don't need an angel to tell you that this passage speaks about Jesus Christ. Or do you believe the Father is coming soon?

Job recognize Jehovah his redeemer would stand again on this earth in his flesh he would see Jehovah

Job 19:25-27

25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

The new testament teaches that Jesus Christ the Redeemer is coming back and we shall see him.
Isaiah called Jehovah his Redeemer.
Isaiah 47:4
Our Redeemer—the LORD Almighty is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.

Isaiah and Job had the very same Redeemer, Jehovah Jesus Christ.

NNTR:
Practice what you preach.
If you really were practising what you preach. Meaning, brushing up with the bible, you won't be suffering from the truth decay that you are experiencing with Jephthah and the double barrel two vows he made.

Are you saying that, you do believe that Jephthah wasnt familiar with and wasnt aware of Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21 and 2 Kings 21:6? Hmm?

I made an important underline in Judges 11:31above there for you, that I want you to keep in the back of your mind, loll

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

We both agree that many verses in the bible are against human sacrifice but we both cant change this one verse that gave evidence of human sacrifice. A burnt offering for that matter.

NNTR:
Your point is baseless. Your point has no legs to stand on

It is your opinion that contradicts the Book of Judges.

OK. How do you mean this contradicts the Book of Judges?
Also describe please, in great detail with revealing and relevant facts, how Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21 and 2 Kings 21:6 contradicts the Book of Judges.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

You really need to read your bible
Judges 11
30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.
It's not my opinion, I did not write the words. I was not the one that instructed Jephthah to use his daughter for a burnt offering.
I understand this makes you uncomfortable but its not my writings.

Jesus Christ is the same that was worshiped by the old testament prophets.

Psalm 110:1
A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The prophets of old accepted him as their Lord. He is the God of the old and new testament. The same God that led the Children of Isreal to the promise land

cornelboy:
Na Unitarian be this one o Kai!!

Revelation 1:8

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 22:13

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Revelation 21:6-7
Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

Revelation 1:17-18
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

The words of Jehovah Jesus

More prove Jesus is Jehovah.
Jehovah said I am the beginning and the end
Isaiah 44:6

6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Jesus said
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

NNTR:
God does support human sacrifice!

Romans 12:1
'Therefore I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God,
to present your bodies [dedicating all of yourselves, set apart] as a living sacrifice,
holy and well-pleasing to God, which is your rational (logical, intelligent) act of worship.'

God doesn't support human sacrifice like the one you're trying so hard wanting to believe Jephthah did in Judges 11

You're expected to sacrifice yourself. Put yourself up as a living sacrifice, not sacrifice a second-party or third-party

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

That's my point. this contradicts the book of judges

Jesus declared himself to be Jehovah in John 8:58
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Exodus 3:14

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

cornelboy:
No God doesn't support human sacrifice!
He binded himself with his words.

How do you mean?

For those still doubting That Jesus is Jehovah.
Read Zechariah 12.10
Zechariah 12.10 (KJV)

10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

This was Jehovah speaking.

Sergio104:
He's indeed mentioning obiano.

kids of nowadays Sha........no atom of respect!!!

You need to learn that it's the vote of these kids that employ governors. You are their employers. Be wise ok

NNTR:
How possible is it, to find a black cat in a dark room, especially, when to begin with, there actually, is no cat to find, smh loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Well, thanks for your contribution even though I don't understand what you mean. I wish you a lovely day

Jesus Christ I'd the very same Lord God or Jehovah of the old testament. He ministered to Israel as Jehovah Lord God.
He told Moses
Exodus 6:3
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.
It was he that led I seal to the promise land.
1 Corinthians 10

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

NNTR:
Genesis 22:10-12
'10Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to kill his son.
11But the Angel of the LORD called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!”
He answered, “Here I am.”
12The LORD said, “Do not reach out [with the knife in] your hand against the boy, and do nothing to [harm] him;
for now I know that you fear God [with reverence and profound respect],
since you have not withheld from Me your son, your only son [of promise].”'

You've learnt incorrectly of Jephthah in Judges 11, if you believed that, he sacrificed his daughter.

Argue with Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21 and 2 Kings 21:6, if you want to

Asking, if it was an act of righteousness or murder, is not only, a dead on arrival question, but also is, an ignorant and invalid asked question, based on the technicality that God doesn't support a form of irrational human being sacrifice

Your point being?

Ritual is, a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order.

For example, when if waking up, you routinely get out of bed, kneel down to do a daily devotion and prayers, get up go to restroom, have a dump, next bathroom, to brush teeth followed by having a bath or shower, then grab a toasted sandwich with strong brewed coffee, settle down to catch up the news on the dailies or whatnot etc, now all those aforementioned activities, if daily done and carried out like in that same order everyday, then it essentially represents, what is called a ritual, of some sort.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

You clearly don't have an answer to the question

Janosky:
Wishy-washy GIBBERISH



Achorladey DECEIVING himself. Na him way
Achorladey, who is Acts 2:36 is Jesus Lord of his Father?
Hebrews 5:7-8, Did JEHOVAH call on his son to be saved?

Deceptive man,@ Acts 2:16-21, Peter quoted Joel 2:32 to call on whom?

Achorladey, where is the Greek word "call on" in Acts 4:12?

Psalms 20:7, Joel 2:32,Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13, "everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved"

But Jesus Christ is Jehovah.

The antichrist did not create any day.All days are of God and by God

We learn of Jephthah in Judges 11 who sacrificed his daughter. Was it an act of righteousness or murder?

Cardilac2323:
Pls some should call the attention of zoological department before this ppl butcher this elephant for meat

u have the zoological department number?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
What are they doing to the cute baby..
Let them call the wild reserve agents to come pick it up..

They shouldn't hurt that animal..

Do you have their number?

checkmatez:
Can she prove she didn't worked her posting to Abuja, even worked her posting from camp to get a better PPA. Because they rejected you then Nigeria is bad. The course studied don't really have any business with the intended office.
Nonsense news

What's wrong with you. These are our youths being treated as trash.
You are now accusing her of working her posting yet failing to look into her complain.
You are really wicked.